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PainTrain
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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 Posted - 08/13/2007 : 11:24:41
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Poll Question:
What Russian Hockey Player would you like to have on your NHL Team?
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PainTrain
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1393 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2007 : 11:26:43
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For me it's either Maxim Afinogenov or Anton Volchenkov. Afinogenov because he can put some pucks in the net and get some people out of there seats. Volchenkov because he is one of the best hitters and penalty killers in the league and is a great shut down d-man.
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Kashmire
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
506 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2007 : 11:28:50
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| Ovechkin, obviously. He's a franchise winger. |
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semin-rules
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 08/13/2007 : 14:49:36
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For me it would depend on what kind of player I need to improve my team. If I needed a D-man, I would go with Volchenkov because he is amazing at his position. If I needed a forward I would go with Afinogenov, because he is just an all around great forward.
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
8286 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2007 : 15:48:09
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Speaking purely about forwards, I can not understand how Ovechkin is not EVERY person's choice. In the past two years only 1 guy (Heatley) has more goals, and only 4 guys (Thorton, Crosby, Heatley, and Jagr) have more points than Alexander the Great. And on the PP, only Heatley and Selanne had more goals.
That is far superior to Maxim.
And say what you will about Ovechkin's +/-, he plays on a bad team. Put him with ANY team in the top 15 and his +/- is comparable to any other elite scorer in the league.
Ovechkin all the way!
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1 Crosby fan
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 08/13/2007 : 16:33:58
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| for me it is Alex the Gr8 because well he is a franchise winger, but if it was a d-man i would chose Anton Volchenkov |
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willus3
Moderator
Canada
1948 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2007 : 18:59:19
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I'd take a motivated Fedorov over anyone on that list.
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PainTrain
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1393 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2007 : 19:44:41
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What about a healthy Pavel Bure? Or if we could go way back and Valeri Kharlmonov(I think that's how you spell it) Would those two be better than the ones on the list? Alexander Mogilney can be thrown in there too.
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Edited by - PainTrain on 08/13/2007 19:45:05 |
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Guest4024
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Posted - 08/13/2007 : 20:08:04
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| OR, what about the KLM? Vladimir Krutov, Igor Larionov, and Sergei Makarov. This legendary russian line dominated the international scene during the 80's to the 90's. and Yes, they were that good. Igor Larionov was often reffered to as the "russian Gretzky". Too bad they got to the Nhl in their 30's they couldve done great if Russia had let them come in earlier. There were 2 more russians who were part of the team this line was in, Vyacheslav Fetisov and Alexey Kasatonov. |
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PainTrain
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1393 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2007 : 22:32:29
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There was also one of the best goalies ever, Vladislav Tretiak. Russia bring out a lot of good players too.
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Guest1603
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Posted - 08/14/2007 : 04:10:51
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I like Datsyuk alot. To me as of now Ovechkin doesn´t seem like a good team player more induvidual skill and thinking.
And yes the KLM where insane and arguably the best hockey team ever. |
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I´m also Cånädiön
Rookie
Sweden
217 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2007 : 04:12:15
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Originally posted by Guest1603
I like Datsyuk alot. To me as of now Ovechkin doesn´t seem like a good team player more induvidual skill and thinking.
And yes the KLM where insane and arguably the best hockey team ever.
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willus3
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 08/14/2007 : 09:13:01
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quote:
Originally posted by PainTrain
What about a healthy Pavel Bure? Or if we could go way back and Valeri Kharlmonov(I think that's how you spell it) Would those two be better than the ones on the list? Alexander Mogilney can be thrown in there too.
No Sacrifice , No Victory!
I figured you were asking about active players. That's why I said Fedorov with the motivated caveat. If you include all Russian greats I would still take 93-94 Fedorov. We saw what he was capable of that year and it was pretty phenomenal. He won the Hart and Selke and was 3rd or 4th in scoring that season I believe. 56 goals, 64 assists, 120 points. Pretty staggering when you think about it. He was the best defensive forward and almost the best offensive forward at the same time. It's ALMOST the equivalent of a defenseman winning the scoring title. Best Russian ever.
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 08/14/2007 : 10:42:16
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I agree 100% Willus. Fedorov, in his prime, was the best Russian to ever play.
In regards to today, there isn't a Russian forward I can think of that plays well on both side of the puck. Therefore, I would take the best offensive Russian. That is Ovechkin.
Defensively, obviously Volchenkov. He's a tank!
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Mikhailova
PickupHockey All-Star
USA
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Posted - 08/14/2007 : 10:53:34
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Afinogenov for his speed or Ovechkin for his goal-scoring ability.
Historically, I'd have to go for the KLM. They were unstoppable. |
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OILINONTARIO
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
816 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2007 : 16:13:41
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| Tretiak was a great Russian goalie in his day. Couldn't hold a candle to Ken Dryden, and surely could not compete with the likes of Khabibulin or Hasek. I know Hasek's not Russian, but he's an example of the type of goalie the NHL hadn't seen 30 years ago. It would have been interesting to see how Tretiak would have fared in the NHL, but, I fear, it would not have gone too well, especially considering the talent the Habs had in net around the time he was rumored to have been joining them. Pavel Datsyuk would be my choice, simply because he actually has yet to reach his full potential. That's pretty scary. Under the tutelage of Stevie Y, he could become the most complete Russian player ever (and by complete, I mean Canadian)! |
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PainTrain
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 08/14/2007 : 20:18:24
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Judging by what I hear from Willus. Sergei Federov is the most complete Russian player. But you're rite Datsyuk can only get better.
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Guest4115
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Posted - 08/17/2007 : 09:59:45
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Originally posted by OILINONTARIO
Tretiak was a great Russian goalie in his day. Couldn't hold a candle to Ken Dryden, and surely could not compete with the likes of Khabibulin or Hasek. I know Hasek's not Russian, but he's an example of the type of goalie the NHL hadn't seen 30 years ago. It would have been interesting to see how Tretiak would have fared in the NHL, but, I fear, it would not have gone too well, especially considering the talent the Habs had in net around the time he was rumored to have been joining them.
Wait a minute, Tretiak was arguably as good as Dryden if not better. I remember the Russians playing the Habs in the Forum to a 3-3 draw and Tretiak was awesome.
I'd take any motivated Russian on my team. Unfortunately it is hard to get them motivated. |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 08/17/2007 : 12:53:45
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How can anyone really say how good Tretiak was?? He played the vast majority of his career in Russia. And yes, the team he played on in Russia won 13 league titles in 14 years with him in net. And yes he was a 1st team Russian all-star in 14 straight years, and he did win 5 MVP's in Russia. Did we forget that he played with The Red Army?? That was the best of the best in Russian hockey. That would be like putting an all-star NHL team together and having them play everyone else in the league for 14 years. What do you think would happen?
Ultimately, the only time a non-Russian could have watched him play is in international competition. What was that, 15 times?? If anyone watched every international game Tretiak ever played, that would work out to less 100 games. Would anyone in here claim that a goalie in the NHL was one of the best every after 100 games??? I doubt it. So how can people say that about Tretiak???
I don't get it. Maybe I am being a bit naive, but it doesn't make sense to me.
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Guest4043
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Posted - 08/18/2007 : 19:51:29
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| datsyuk, we've only seen the tip of the iceberg. Pure skill. love watching that guy play! |
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Huntman
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 08/25/2007 : 17:23:27
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| I think a motivated laraque |
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Guest8346
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Posted - 08/27/2007 : 12:33:00
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| andrei markov vastly underestimated one of the top d men in the league,,, not saying he would be my first choice as a russian but my first as a russian d man |
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Leafsgirl 48
Top Prospect
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Posted - 08/27/2007 : 14:26:12
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Ovechkin hands down!! Skill,speed,agility,big shot,physical.All the atributes in making a fantastic player.
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Jeremy12
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 09/06/2007 : 12:27:09
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Ovechkin. He;s the type of player you can build a team around. All the other russians are good, but ovechkin is juts better!
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Guest2562
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Posted - 09/26/2007 : 22:12:24
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| Russians all have one thing in common...two or three good seasons and then they suck. I would take an average Canadian junior over a highly touted Russian junior anyday. The Canadian will give me ten years of grit and heart. |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 09/27/2007 : 08:56:39
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Be careful about lumping players together. Fedorov was sick for Detroit from '90 until '02. Bure was pretty solid until he was hurt as well. Larianov is another. Mogilny until he was hurt. Fetisov/ The list could go on and on.
A gifted player is a gifted player regardless of nationality. And I can think of a more than a Highly Touted Canadian Juniors that were a bust that showed no heart. Let alone average Canadian juniors.
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Guest9655
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Posted - 09/27/2007 : 09:51:21
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quote:
Originally posted by PainTrain
What about a healthy Pavel Bure? Or if we could go way back and Valeri Kharlmonov(I think that's how you spell it) Would those two be better than the ones on the list? Alexander Mogilney can be thrown in there too.
No Sacrifice , No Victory!
I agree. Pavel Bure was the best Russian to ever play the game. Ovechkin is no where near the level that Bure was in! |
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willus3
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 09/27/2007 : 11:22:56
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Originally posted by Guest9655
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Originally posted by PainTrain
What about a healthy Pavel Bure? Or if we could go way back and Valeri Kharlmonov(I think that's how you spell it) Would those two be better than the ones on the list? Alexander Mogilney can be thrown in there too.
No Sacrifice , No Victory!
I agree. Pavel Bure was the best Russian to ever play the game.
How did you come to that conclusion?
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 09/27/2007 : 14:39:37
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Bure after two years, 148 games, 94 goals, 76 assits, 170 points.
Ovechkin after 2 years, 163 games, 98 goals, 100 assists, 198 points.
Difference in Goals/Game by 0.03 for Bure, difference of 0.1 for Ovechkin, and a difference in points by 0,07 for Ovechkin.
Pretty much the same kind of player and putting up the same offensive output. I don't think you can clearly say that Bure is better than Ovechkin after two seasons.
Besides, neither were as good as Fedorov.
If you are under the age of 15, please do some research before you make a post about anything pre-1997. |
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PuckNuts
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 09/28/2007 : 05:15:57
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Don't forget Fedorov won two Selke awards as the best defensive forward, and he did that during his best offensive years.
Bure was a pure goal scorer, Fedorov had a complete game when he wanted too.
Ovechkin is too young to compare at this point to Fedorov, or Bure, give him a few seasons...
I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
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Guest9655
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Posted - 09/28/2007 : 07:10:21
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quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
Bure after two years, 148 games, 94 goals, 76 assits, 170 points.
Ovechkin after 2 years, 163 games, 98 goals, 100 assists, 198 points.
Difference in Goals/Game by 0.03 for Bure, difference of 0.1 for Ovechkin, and a difference in points by 0,07 for Ovechkin.
Pretty much the same kind of player and putting up the same offensive output. I don't think you can clearly say that Bure is better than Ovechkin after two seasons.
Besides, neither were as good as Fedorov.
If you are under the age of 15, please do some research before you make a post about anything pre-1997.
I've seen both of them play, and I must say that Bure was a much more exciting player to watch (although my respect for him dropped when he skipped out of vancouver - no I don't live in vancouver. Toronto actually!). He did stuff with the puck at high speeds that I haven't seen anyone do yet! So, therefore Beans, Bure is better!
And because I say so ;)
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 09/28/2007 : 10:23:08
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I have seen the both play as well, and I can't easily say that Bure is that a better player than Ovechkin. Both were very exctiing. I think that the fact that Bure did those things in the dead puck era makes it appear his is better than Ovechkin.
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willus3
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 09/28/2007 : 11:10:55
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Originally posted by Guest9655
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Originally posted by Beans15
Bure after two years, 148 games, 94 goals, 76 assits, 170 points.
Ovechkin after 2 years, 163 games, 98 goals, 100 assists, 198 points.
Difference in Goals/Game by 0.03 for Bure, difference of 0.1 for Ovechkin, and a difference in points by 0,07 for Ovechkin.
Pretty much the same kind of player and putting up the same offensive output. I don't think you can clearly say that Bure is better than Ovechkin after two seasons.
Besides, neither were as good as Fedorov.
If you are under the age of 15, please do some research before you make a post about anything pre-1997.
I've seen both of them play, and I must say that Bure was a much more exciting player to watch (although my respect for him dropped when he skipped out of vancouver - no I don't live in vancouver. Toronto actually!). He did stuff with the puck at high speeds that I haven't seen anyone do yet! So, therefore Beans, Bure is better!
And because I say so ;)
You must not not have seen Savard play in the 80's then. He was every bit as impressive at high speeds.
Pretty early yet to say whether Ovechkin isn't as good. Bure however was definitely a faster skater which made for very exciting plays. It's funny, they are both snipers yet play completely different styles of hockey.
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Blubberboy
Rookie
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Posted - 09/29/2007 : 21:19:18
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Originally posted by Kashmire
Ovechkin, obviously. He's a franchise winger.
Ya that's pretty true |
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Guest4462
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 02:04:59
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maybe a motivated fedorov.... 5 years ago.
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Originally posted by willus3
I'd take a motivated Fedorov over anyone on that list.
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SuperSakic
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 10/03/2007 : 11:03:06
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Originally posted by willus3
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Originally posted by Guest9655
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Originally posted by Beans15
Bure after two years, 148 games, 94 goals, 76 assits, 170 points.
Ovechkin after 2 years, 163 games, 98 goals, 100 assists, 198 points.
Difference in Goals/Game by 0.03 for Bure, difference of 0.1 for Ovechkin, and a difference in points by 0,07 for Ovechkin.
Pretty much the same kind of player and putting up the same offensive output. I don't think you can clearly say that Bure is better than Ovechkin after two seasons.
Besides, neither were as good as Fedorov.
If you are under the age of 15, please do some research before you make a post about anything pre-1997.
I've seen both of them play, and I must say that Bure was a much more exciting player to watch (although my respect for him dropped when he skipped out of vancouver - no I don't live in vancouver. Toronto actually!). He did stuff with the puck at high speeds that I haven't seen anyone do yet! So, therefore Beans, Bure is better!
And because I say so ;)
You must not not have seen Savard play in the 80's then. He was every bit as impressive at high speeds.
Pretty early yet to say whether Ovechkin isn't as good. Bure however was definitely a faster skater which made for very exciting plays. It's funny, they are both snipers yet play completely different styles of hockey.
"You are not your desktop wallpaper"
That was me as Guest9655.....Had forgotten password :)
But yeah, I hadn't really started watching hockey until 1990. (So I missed his era). From what I saw Bure do in the '94 playoffs, I was just in awe. He was winning games on his shoulders alone. The playoffs were all Bure (until he ran into a hot Richter). Quinn had him on the ice every other shift....I'm not sure, but I don't think that Ovechkin has reached that level yet. |
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Guest2601
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Posted - 10/03/2007 : 11:48:31
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Wow, how did Sergei Bautin get left off the list???
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willus3
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Canada
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Posted - 10/03/2007 : 11:54:21
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You must not not have seen Savard play in the 80's then. He was every bit as impressive at high speeds.
Pretty early yet to say whether Ovechkin isn't as good. Bure however was definitely a faster skater which made for very exciting plays. It's funny, they are both snipers yet play completely different styles of hockey.
"You are not your desktop wallpaper"
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That was me as Guest9655.....Had forgotten password :)
But yeah, I hadn't really started watching hockey until 1990. (So I missed his era). From what I saw Bure do in the '94 playoffs, I was just in awe. He was winning games on his shoulders alone. The playoffs were all Bure (until he ran into a hot Richter). Quinn had him on the ice every other shift....I'm not sure, but I don't think that Ovechkin has reached that level yet.
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Check out the hilight clips in the I Miss Denis Savard thread in the History forum. You'll enjoy it.
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Canucks Man
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 10/04/2007 : 00:00:20
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I cannot believe that some people didnt vote for Ovechin. He is twice the player afiniganov is!!
CANUCKS RULE!!!
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 10/09/2007 : 17:03:28
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Ovechkin today. Federov 15 years ago.
I think Malkin is overrated. Having seen him play, he's a got a lot of talent, but not nearly the drive that Ovechkin has to score and do well.
Let's face it, though. Not many Russians are team guys. Most of them are individual talents. If they don't start out that way (like Kovalchuk), they soon become that way (like Gonchar).
Mario Lemieux on his off-season training habits: "I don't order fries with my club sandwich." |
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Guest6383
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Posted - 10/12/2007 : 11:59:32
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| how can someone make this poll and leave ilya kovalchuk off of it is beyond me. afineganov is a dud |
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What Russian would you want on your team? 
