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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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 Posted - 11/16/2007 : 19:46:28
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Iwas just watching Sportscentre and they said Tavares has 23 goals in 21 games. 52 points in that time. That puts him on pace for almost 200 points as a 17 year old. That's pretty amazing.
All I've seen of this kid are the games he played in the so-called "Super Series", which was not that super thanks to a crappy Russian junior team. He was good, but to me, didn't stand out that much (mind you, he was a 16 year old playing with 19 year olds).
For you guys who live in the east...is he really as good as it appears, or are there reasons his numbers are inflated other than ability?
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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 11/16/2007 : 21:19:23
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He has the ability. He is an excellent player for his age. He's fast and skillfull with the puck. For a player to run the OHL like he has, at his age, is an excellent accomplishment.
Season Team GP G A PTS +/- PIM
2005-06 Regular Season Oshawa Generals 65 45 32 77 -13 72
2006-07 Regular Season Oshawa Generals 67 72 62 134 25 60
2006-07 All-Star Classic Eastern Conference All-Stars 1 1 1 2 1 0
2007-08 Regular Season Oshawa Generals 21 22 28 50 17 31
There was talk of changing NHL draft rules to allow him in early... :/ That speaks for it self, imo.
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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 11/16/2007 : 21:21:53
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67 Games Played...
72 Goals and 62 Assists totaling 134 Pts.
Now, that's not something we have not seen before. But it is a nice statistic to have on your record. :) And on pace for 200 or more pts.
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PuckNuts
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 11/17/2007 : 05:32:45
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He is actually on pace for 162 points this season, that is if he plays all 68 games.
He will miss at least 5 games if not more for the World Juniors.
He is a good player there is no doubt, but where was he at the "Super Series", I did not see anything outstanding.
Let us see if he can dominate at the world Juniors in December...
As for the draft, he will have to waite until 2009...
I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan
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leafsfan_101
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 11/17/2007 : 08:01:24
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Taveres played well at the Super Series. The reason he didn't stand out in my mind is because he was getting 3rd line minutes. Taveres is only good unless he gets 1st line minutes. And he obviously deserves them too.
I compare Taveres to Dany Heatley. The both have the goal-scoring touch, skate nearly identically and have a passion for the game. But the one thing Taveres can do that Heatley can't is dominate a league. |
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/17/2007 : 08:26:58
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Originally posted by PuckNuts
He is actually on pace for 162 points this season, that is if he plays all 68 games.
He will miss at least 5 games if not more for the World Juniors.
He is a good player there is no doubt, but where was he at the "Super Series", I did not see anything outstanding.
Let us see if he can dominate at the world Juniors in December...
As for the draft, he will have to waite until 2009...
I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan
The O only has a 68 game sched...hmm...I was thinking 78.
He'll certainly miss games due to the WJC...I wasn't making a prediction, just stating that this was his pace...
Either way, the kid has some skillz. |
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PuckNuts
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 11/17/2007 : 12:09:32
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Originally posted by leafsfan_101
Taveres played well at the Super Series. The reason he didn't stand out in my mind is because he was getting 3rd line minutes. Taveres is only good unless he gets 1st line minutes. And he obviously deserves them too.
He did not deserve first line minutes, that is why he was not getting them...
I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan
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ultimatetitman
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 11/17/2007 : 12:41:52
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You have to keep in mind that he is not playing with NHL calibre players. In fact, only a couple of the guys he plays with will ever see any NHL action. So the fact that he is putting up these types of numbers is even more impressive.
Look at Crosby, as an example. He had very good numbers in the Q, but they weren't outstanding. He did not stand out in his only Memorial Cup, and his team didn't win it. Yet he has turned into satisfactory player...
This kid is the real deal. The fact that there is an effort in place to make him eligible for this year's entry draft is proof of that.
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/17/2007 : 14:40:06
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Two things ultimatetitman...
First....Crosby's numbers in the Q were not outstanding?
Here are some of his junior accomplishments:
Canadian Hockey League
CHL Rookie of the Year - 2004
CHL Player of the Year - 2004, 2005
Leading Scorer - 2004, 2005
Canada Post Cup (three stars) - 2004, 2005
Top Pro Prospect - 2005
Memorial Cup All-Star Team - 2005
Ed Chynoweth Trophy (Memorial Cup Leading Scorer) - 2005
Quebec Major Junior Hockey League
RDS/JVC Trophy (rookie of the year) - 2004
QMJHL All-Rookie Team - 2004
QMJHL First All-Star Team - 2004, 2005
Michel Briere Trophy (most valuable player) - 2004, 2005
Jean Béliveau Trophy (league leading scorer) - 2004, 2005
Mike Bossy Trophy (best professional prospect) - 2005
Paul Dumont Trophy (Personality of the Year) - 2004, 2005
Guy Lafleur Trophy (Playoff MVP) - 2005
Michel Bergeron Trophy (offensive rookie of the Year) - 2004
Offensive Player of the Year - 2004, 2005
Also, he a "satisfactory" NHL player? How many satisfactory players get these awards in their first two years?
NHL
Art Ross Trophy - 2007
Lester B. Pearson Award - 2007
Hart Memorial Trophy - 2007
NHL First All-Star Team - 2007
NHL All-Rookie Team - 2006
Rookie of the Month - October 2005
All-Star Game - 2007
Mark Messier Leadership Award - Jan. 2007
I think you really need to lower your expectations of what is outsanding, bro.
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MSC
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/17/2007 : 21:16:27
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| if The Cros is "satisfactory" I shudder to think what Lyle Odelin was back in the day. |
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John Tavares - The Real Deal? 
