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Guest9049
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 Posted - 12/01/2007 : 05:57:21
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Poll Question:
I think so he dosent know what hes doing with the leafs that why they such so much its not all there fault and Richard Peddie should be fired also for hiring John Ferguson
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leafsfan_101
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Posted - 12/01/2007 : 07:29:29
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I don't think that the Leafs situation is Ferguson's fault at all. I know, I have probably the strangest mind in Leafs Nation, but hear me out.
The problem is Richard Peddie. He hired Ferguson so that he could be an indirect GM. Before Colangelo came to the Raps and did his stuff, Peddie had full control of that team. When he lost that control he tried his hand at manipulating JFJ and when JFJ wanted to do a trade or sign a free agent it had to go through the Teacher's Pension Plan board. And the board listend to none other then Richard Peddie.
When Peddie started screwing up last year and the year before, he scapegoated Ferguson to save his ass. Notice how last wee he said that Ferguson was a mistake. That is why the Leafs need a GM that won't be persuaded by Peddie.
So I don't think it is all Ferguson's fault, he is just taking the wrath of the fans and media when Peddie is really calling the shots. If Ferguson actually had the power to run the Leafs like Colangelo has to run the Raptors the Leafs would be a much better team, So don't fire JFJ, fire Peddie. |
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Leafs Rock Planet
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Posted - 12/01/2007 : 07:43:17
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Originally posted by leafsfan_101
I don't think that the Leafs situation is Ferguson's fault at all. I know, I have probably the strangest mind in Leafs Nation, but hear me out.
The problem is Richard Peddie. He hired Ferguson so that he could be an indirect GM. Before Colangelo came to the Raps and did his stuff, Peddie had full control of that team. When he lost that control he tried his hand at manipulating JFJ and when JFJ wanted to do a trade or sign a free agent it had to go through the Teacher's Pension Plan board. And the board listend to none other then Richard Peddie.
When Peddie started screwing up last year and the year before, he scapegoated Ferguson to save his ass. Notice how last wee he said that Ferguson was a mistake. That is why the Leafs need a GM that won't be persuaded by Peddie.
So I don't think it is all Ferguson's fault, he is just taking the wrath of the fans and media when Peddie is really calling the shots. If Ferguson actually had the power to run the Leafs like Colangelo has to run the Raptors the Leafs would be a much better team, So don't fire JFJ, fire Peddie.
The whole front office is a joke. The Leafs need real owners not The Ontario Teachers pension fund.
For Example look at Detroit. They have a great franchise because it starts with great owners. The Ilic family is by no meens holding a hockey club for money like the teachers pension fund. Mr. and Mrs. Ilic want to win and they have been for past years because they want to win. Sure every owner (including the Ilic family) is interested in making as much money as possible but some owners more than others.
The Ontario Teachers Pension fund does not own all of the Leafs but has a big share of them. The Leafs need to be sold to real owners and not some Ontario executives that know nothing about hockey.
It is not John Ferguson's fault. If anyone should be let go, the first person that comes to mind for me is Paul Maurice. |
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Guest9914
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Posted - 12/01/2007 : 08:21:44
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Originally posted by leafsfan_101
I don't think that the Leafs situation is Ferguson's fault at all. I know, I have probably the strangest mind in Leafs Nation, but hear me out.
The problem is Richard Peddie. He hired Ferguson so that he could be an indirect GM. Before Colangelo came to the Raps and did his stuff, Peddie had full control of that team. When he lost that control he tried his hand at manipulating JFJ and when JFJ wanted to do a trade or sign a free agent it had to go through the Teacher's Pension Plan board. And the board listend to none other then Richard Peddie.
When Peddie started screwing up last year and the year before, he scapegoated Ferguson to save his ass. Notice how last wee he said that Ferguson was a mistake. That is why the Leafs need a GM that won't be persuaded by Peddie.
So I don't think it is all Ferguson's fault, he is just taking the wrath of the fans and media when Peddie is really calling the shots. If Ferguson actually had the power to run the Leafs like Colangelo has to run the Raptors the Leafs would be a much better team, So don't fire JFJ, fire Peddie.
Hey Leafsfan_101 what have you been smoking? |
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Leafs Rock Planet
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Posted - 12/01/2007 : 08:56:20
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Originally posted by Guest9914
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Originally posted by leafsfan_101
I don't think that the Leafs situation is Ferguson's fault at all. I know, I have probably the strangest mind in Leafs Nation, but hear me out.
The problem is Richard Peddie. He hired Ferguson so that he could be an indirect GM. Before Colangelo came to the Raps and did his stuff, Peddie had full control of that team. When he lost that control he tried his hand at manipulating JFJ and when JFJ wanted to do a trade or sign a free agent it had to go through the Teacher's Pension Plan board. And the board listend to none other then Richard Peddie.
When Peddie started screwing up last year and the year before, he scapegoated Ferguson to save his ass. Notice how last wee he said that Ferguson was a mistake. That is why the Leafs need a GM that won't be persuaded by Peddie.
So I don't think it is all Ferguson's fault, he is just taking the wrath of the fans and media when Peddie is really calling the shots. If Ferguson actually had the power to run the Leafs like Colangelo has to run the Raptors the Leafs would be a much better team, So don't fire JFJ, fire Peddie.
Hey Leafsfan_101 what have you been smoking?
Hey buddy, I dont think you have the right dising a member if you dont have a ligit reason for saying something so stupid. |
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leafsfan_101
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Posted - 12/01/2007 : 09:10:58
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Originally posted by Guest9914
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Originally posted by leafsfan_101
I don't think that the Leafs situation is Ferguson's fault at all. I know, I have probably the strangest mind in Leafs Nation, but hear me out.
The problem is Richard Peddie. He hired Ferguson so that he could be an indirect GM. Before Colangelo came to the Raps and did his stuff, Peddie had full control of that team. When he lost that control he tried his hand at manipulating JFJ and when JFJ wanted to do a trade or sign a free agent it had to go through the Teacher's Pension Plan board. And the board listend to none other then Richard Peddie.
When Peddie started screwing up last year and the year before, he scapegoated Ferguson to save his ass. Notice how last wee he said that Ferguson was a mistake. That is why the Leafs need a GM that won't be persuaded by Peddie.
So I don't think it is all Ferguson's fault, he is just taking the wrath of the fans and media when Peddie is really calling the shots. If Ferguson actually had the power to run the Leafs like Colangelo has to run the Raptors the Leafs would be a much better team, So don't fire JFJ, fire Peddie.
Hey Leafsfan_101 what have you been smoking?
Hey Guest, give some input on JFJ. He has been handcuffed since he got the job in TO. Anyone would struggle with Peddie as a boss. He only looks after himself and then manipulates the Pension Plan Board to do what he wants.
Peddie is smart. He gets the heat off of him by admitting that JFJ was a joke. If he hadn't done this on the radio I would still be thinking it was JFJ's fault. But it makes perfect sense now! By scapegoating Ferguson, Peddie gets to be a popular man in TO when he fires Ferguson. He then can control the team in a Harold Ballard-type way. Only Ballard ruined the Leafs publicly. Peddie does it in a sneaky, shady way. |
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Guest7429
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Posted - 12/01/2007 : 09:44:55
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Ferguson is the GM. His job is to manage the team. If you want to run with your ludicrous theory, then please provide some evidence that Peddie is micromanaging Ferguson.
I'll tell you who has made Ferguson's job difficult--Pat Quinn. He ran the Canucks into the ground out west and then turned around and did the same hatchet job on the Leafs. Now before you all start whinging about Jack Adams awards and so on, please try to separate in your minds the duties of the coach and the GM. As a coach, Quinn has an undeniably winning record. As a GM he stinks. He took the Canucks, built by someone else and coached them to the Stanley cup finals. Then he became GM and the Canucks began their mid 90's slide. Same thing for the Leafs. Who signed McCabe? Who signed Belak? Who's got a terrible defense corps? The grammatically challenged Leafs, that's who, and Pat Quinn was the architect. |
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leafsfan_101
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Posted - 12/01/2007 : 11:39:40
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Okay, hear this then. If Peddie wanted a good GM, one with a head, then he wouldn't have signed Rob Babcock for the Raps and JFJ for the Leafs. he hired inexperienced guys to control them. They don't know better. They don't have experience. The perfect people to manipulate. And that is what Peddie did.
When Peddie gets fired the Leafs will do better. Mark my words. |
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Guest2175
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Posted - 12/01/2007 : 15:45:33
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| bottom line is that gm sucks, head coach sucks, and Mats Sundin sucks as a captain, the D on toronto are also s***! |
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nashvillepreds
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Posted - 12/01/2007 : 17:57:09
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Originally posted by Guest2175
bottom line is that gm sucks, head coach sucks, and Mats Sundin sucks as a captain, the D on toronto are also s***!
If I had to pick a captain, Sundin is the third guy I would go to in terms of leadership. Only if it was for this season only though.
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Alex
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 12/01/2007 : 18:04:16
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Funny enough, my speech for school public speaking resolves solely around this topic.
On that note:
You have an administration in Toronto that has shot itselt in the foot year after year after year after year (Copy and paste times forty. )
Either give Ferguson a longer contract, so he doesn't have to feel Tanenbaum's breath down his back with every loss, and give him some time to make decisions and plan ahead
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Get rid of the putz.
Personally, he has been a total waste of time for our team. That being said, I still believe he is a smart man that can get the job done. Personally, had they given him ample time at the beginning, he would have kept draft picks, worked on improving guys on the Marlies (anyone read the Torono Star or maybe it was National Post article this weekend about the Marlies and their failures, including not giving Pogge enough playing time?) and built himself a future.
However, being where we are, the city is sick of him, and he won't be able to do antything, even if he gets a second chance. He blew it.
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nashvillepreds
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Posted - 12/01/2007 : 18:11:46
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I completely agree Alex. JFJ I belive is a smart man. He just isn't cut out for the GM buisiness. Maybe he'll manage the blue jays next year
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Should John Ferguson be fired 
