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andyhack
PickupHockey Pro
Japan
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 Posted - 02/01/2008 : 09:43:54
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Two quick lunchtime points
- Correct me if I am wrong Nash, but I think you meant to title this, "if Ovechkin had MORE heart" - or "if Ovechkin had the heart of Iggy". That appears to be your point from your posts (and I sympathize with you a bit Nash because people are jumping on you for saying Ovechkin has "no heart" and I don't think that was ever your point).
- related to the above, Alex, in my book saying Lindros had "NO heart" is crazier than posing the question, "what if Ovechkin had the heart of Iggy?" The Alex/Iggy question, agree or disagree with the assumption built into it, at least is within the realm of reasonable debate. The Lindros example of someone with NO heart - well, I think even most of Lindros's biggest haters would probably quickly say that he had some heart - and many would even acknowledge that for a time he had a great deal of heart. |
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Guest8372
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Posted - 02/01/2008 : 10:29:17
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Originally posted by Alex
Obviously he had some heart, no one gets good without a bit of heart. But he underachieved his entire career. Sure he had some amazing, and I mean amazing seasons. He was the entire package, but he blew it all.
What are you talking about?? Lindros underachieved only after he suffered his millionth concussion. For a time there, you were starting to make sense but then you decided to make this comment to bring you back to the silly square again.
Ovie plays his heart out all the time. If a person could give 110%, it would be Ovie. After signing his monster contract, does he slack off? Nope picks up the pace and now leads the league in goals and points. |
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Beans15
Moderator
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Posted - 02/01/2008 : 10:47:47
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Ovie has looked sensational in the past month or so. He is on pace for 67 goals, 43 assists, and 110 points.
More importantly, he is huge had in Washington winning games. Interesting to think a team that was predicted to play for a high draft pick is only 3 points out of the playoffs today. |
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Guest8372
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Posted - 02/01/2008 : 12:22:52
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Warning, warning. content removed
Moderator edit: As much as I saw the humour in your post, please refrain from personal attacks. Try instead to argue the points. I know it is hard to do at times but please try. |
Edited by - willus3 on 02/01/2008 12:32:02 |
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leafsfan_101
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1530 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2008 : 12:50:54
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Originally posted by Alex
Let me throw this out:
If I am Washington, do I play for the pick or for the spot? Do they have enough talent and prospects yet to make Ovechkin's 13 year contract worth it in the near future? Or is the Japanese saying ''patience is a virtue'' needed in this equation?
Of course they try night in night out to when. But this is hypothetical as many of the forum questions are.
Habs get number 25 this year
Realistically, Washington probably is one good player short from a good team.. And they can acheive that through the free agent market. I think that they have amazingly solid picks to back themselves on. And they have loads of cap space, so the future looks bright in Washington. |
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willus3
Moderator
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Posted - 02/01/2008 : 14:37:10
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Originally posted by Alex
Willus may I ask what you mean 'it is hard to do at times?' Is that an overt attack at me or the guest?
It's fine if it was at me, I can handle it. I know sometimes I say things that are off, but hey, I haven't watched hockey as long as most people on this website. I'm sure at 13 I could have competed with you on content and quality of hockey articles 
Habs get number 25 this year
It was neither an attack on you or the guest. It means sometimes we read things we may find hard to not laugh or poke fun at.
Allow me to share an observation. As you have just stated, sometimes you say things that are off. Why not either wait and read a few other posts and gain some insight that way or do a little research on your own before posting or even just not posting if you don't know anything about the topic. It is ok not to respond to every thread. You may get far less personal attacks that way which of course would make moderating a little easier.
By all mean post and post often but consider what I mentioned above.
"Curiosity killed the cat but for awhile, I was the suspect."
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Beans15
Moderator
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Posted - 02/01/2008 : 21:26:14
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To answer Alex's question, to play for a draft pick is dirty and against the rules. If they were to do that, they would more than likely lose the draft pick anyway.
Besides that, the Caps are 3 points out of a playoff spot. Why would they play for a draft pick rather than the playoffs.
Also, it doesn't appear to be a really great draft.
Also, they have Semin, Backstrom, Green, as well as Ovechkin. They have a pretty nice looking core of young players. Add in Clark and Nylander and they are not that far off. They could do with a couple more solid D-men, a solid 3 line.
Also, Kolzig is not getting any younger. They will need a goalie in the next few years.
That being said, I think that Washington is on the right path, they just need to let some talent develop and pick up a couple of decent players. Don't forget they have about $14 million under the cap to play with. |
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nashvillepreds
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 02/02/2008 : 06:30:25
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Originally posted by andyhack
Two quick lunchtime points
- Correct me if I am wrong Nash, but I think you meant to title this, "if Ovechkin had MORE heart" - or "if Ovechkin had the heart of Iggy". That appears to be your point from your posts (and I sympathize with you a bit Nash because people are jumping on you for saying Ovechkin has "no heart" and I don't think that was ever your point).
- related to the above, Alex, in my book saying Lindros had "NO heart" is crazier than posing the question, "what if Ovechkin had the heart of Iggy?" The Alex/Iggy question, agree or disagree with the assumption built into it, at least is within the realm of reasonable debate. The Lindros example of someone with NO heart - well, I think even most of Lindros's biggest haters would probably quickly say that he had some heart - and many would even acknowledge that for a time he had a great deal of heart.
If anybody read my first post or any of ythe other ones after it, you'll see that is exactly what I meant, Thank you Andyhack. The title is merely a gimmick. I wish people wouldn't just read the title and respond.
Ellis or Mason?
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Edited by - nashvillepreds on 02/02/2008 06:32:26 |
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leafsfan_101
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1530 Posts |
Posted - 02/02/2008 : 06:44:13
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Here ar five of ther other solid prospects to build on...
1. Nicklas Backstrom (C),
2. Karl Alzner (D),
3. Eric Fehr (RW),
4. Semen Varlamov (G),
5. Francois Bouchard (RW).
Notice how their goalie of the future is Semen Varlamov, a great up and comming goalie. |
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Alex
PickupHockey All-Star
Canada
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Posted - 02/02/2008 : 18:01:21
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Originally posted by Beans15
To answer Alex's question, to play for a draft pick is dirty and against the rules. If they were to do that, they would more than likely lose the draft pick anyway.
Besides that, the Caps are 3 points out of a playoff spot. Why would they play for a draft pick rather than the playoffs.
Also, it doesn't appear to be a really great draft.
Also, they have Semin, Backstrom, Green, as well as Ovechkin. They have a pretty nice looking core of young players. Add in Clark and Nylander and they are not that far off. They could do with a couple more solid D-men, a solid 3 line.
Also, Kolzig is not getting any younger. They will need a goalie in the next few years.
That being said, I think that Washington is on the right path, they just need to let some talent develop and pick up a couple of decent players. Don't forget they have about $14 million under the cap to play with.
Hence the word ''hypothetically''. Forget the rules forget everything. You are the GM / owner. You can get your team in the post season, or get a corresponding pick (read in to that as you wish). What do you take?
Personally, I say forget the pick. As you said, the draft is not so great, 14 mil under the cap, excuse the pun, and the team really needs the morale boost that making the post season brings. Plus, for argument's sake, let us say a lot of their guys develop by next season and they make 7th in the east -- the experience of already being in the post season together can only help, along with whatever they chose to use the 14 mil on. More so in my mind, than a young prospect.
Habs get number 25 this year |
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leafsfan_101
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1530 Posts |
Posted - 02/02/2008 : 18:07:01
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| The draft istn't all that bad. First 7 picks have promise, then the rest are pretty much duds. Top 3 are huge though, Stamkos, Doughty and Piertrangelo. |
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pensfan17
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
330 Posts |
Posted - 02/02/2008 : 18:53:19
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pensfan17
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
330 Posts |
Posted - 02/02/2008 : 18:57:44
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Jared Staal is in this draft but is rated 32nd in North American skaters
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LeafsFan4Life
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 02/03/2008 : 07:16:18
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Who has the Gull to say that Ovie does not heart. I dont even know where to begin on this, how can you say that the Heart of the Caps team does not have heart, great goal scorer, great playmaker, and great leader. I wont even justify this with a response. All i can say if the caps did not have this great player on the team then they would probably be in last place and lower then the Kings in the standings.
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Kovy_Sniper
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 02/10/2008 : 15:36:42
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how do you not think he has heart... only player this year to record multiple 4 goal games and he is first in goals with 47 after today... i can see him scoring 60 goals this year being the first player to do it in like 13 years... how could a player go out one season score 60 goals in like 82 games and you say they dont have heart? .... wow..... he has so much heart and determination.
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Kovy_Sniper
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 02/10/2008 : 17:01:34
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lol oops... well i read the first page and just made a post... its not often people make fake topics to get attention... dont blame me entierly...
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mytor4
Rookie
Canada
134 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2008 : 04:23:36
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Originally posted by Pasty7
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Originally posted by Guest8815
3 Words: He Has Heart.
read this post very carefully before you jump all over me,,,, think about it for one second then respond,,,,, i agree nash, hes got shades of the rocket when he gets the puck and when he decides to go get someone in th corner or go get the puck,,,, but i have seen him lots of times just give up on a play i kinda think he may turn out as a better kovalev ,,,,,, be completely dominant when he wants to be and then slack off at other times,,,
Pasty
ov has as much heart as any other player in the league. the difference between ov and iginla is ov over his career will be a much more consistant player and will easily have out produced him pt wise [goals and assist] when there careers have finished.right now it stands at,
ov ---------- 239 games-----158 goals--146 assist---1.27 ppg
iginla--------852games-------369goals--383 assist---.88 ppg
iginla is seeing a freight train comming at him and leaving him in his tracks.
iginla is a great player but ov is on another plateau compared to iginla.
ov is just on another level.
57 career losses,46 shutouts and 5 vezina trophys.6 Stanley Cup rings in 8 yrs |
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I HATE CROSBY
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 03/23/2008 : 11:12:10
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Worst topic ever...I don't think anyone has more heart than Ovi. HE is one of the few guys out there who actually seems to be having FUN playing in the NHL. Most Canadian stars (except for Iginla, who really seems to have fun playing) act like they do something important. Ovechkin does what an NHL player is intended to do, he entertains! He has more shots by a mile than anyone else, he's the best!
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Guest6722
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Posted - 10/06/2008 : 15:37:03
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| bahaha ovechkin has no heart is like saying crosby is the best fighter in the NHL |
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Axey
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 10/06/2008 : 21:43:50
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I forgot all about this topic, I thought this was a joke .. lol He single handedly carried a less than mediocre team from the basement to the playoffs. Scored 65 goals, first time since Mario.
Chicago Blackhawks GM
Jesus didn't tap. |
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Guest6481
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Posted - 10/07/2008 : 20:37:06
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| Crosby is the reason Pittsburg lost in the final.. He was to busy crying.. Not enough passion.. if crying was passion in the game.. pittsburgh would have won hands down.. Tell me his actions were heart.. i don't think so.. |
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Guest9252
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Posted - 10/09/2008 : 09:48:52
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| Seriously, the two play different styles. Crosbys more complete while OV is pure goals. All you gotta do is watch em play to see the difference in thier respective games. Who has more heart? Its debatable. They both want to win REAL bad but I think Crosby has more of a team first attitude. OV tries too hard to be the goal scorer and sometimes tries to wade through several opponants instead of making a play. The thing is he can usually do it. they are both great players on good young teams. BTW IMHO Washington will be just as good as Pitts this year and both will challenge Montreal for top in the east. |
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If Ovechkin had heart...... 
