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fanoleaf
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 Posted - 11/17/2008 : 21:49:32
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OHHHHH so he left one key word out "other"
NO doubt about it he plays well. I hope that one day he wins a cup.
BUT HE HAS NOT YET. Its a long season and who knows if they have the nuts to go all the way this year and beat the west. |
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Matt_Roberts85
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/18/2008 : 05:55:47
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Don't forget Pogge has won a Memorial Cup, won CHL MVP and won Gold at the WJC.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
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J-Dog
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 11/18/2008 : 07:53:14
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You guys are debating something almost undebatable. They are not playing at te same level of hockey, so stats and play will be different in both leagues. Pogge has played well and price has played well, and both have played averagely at some time or another. The ''stats are useless'' bit was funny, Osgood is a hall of famer for sure. lol(see ''Osgood in the hall of fame? topic'')
I think Price and Pogge will have good careers and might win 1 or a few cups each. But unless the teams they are on play extrodinairaly well, I dont think they will be record breaking goalies a là Brodeur, Roy etc. Just my opinion. But you have to agree that the leafs have a long way to go if they want to contend for cups, and they already have a decent starter in toskola, and breaking .500 hockey is considered good for them. Pogge will be a good boost eventually but it's the rest they gotta work on. |
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Leafsfan_94
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 11/18/2008 : 12:33:32
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guys i already said that i dont know whos better pogge or price. but the dumb guests and now calling me biased and saying i think pogge is 100% better. i couldnt care less. when he gets brought up we'll see whos better. for now how about you guys just start talking about who you think is better and why. actually. why dont we get a moderator or an admin to lock this topic because its impossible to tell whos better yet because price in the the NHL and pogge is in the AHL.
its pointless. and this topic was called pogges future with the leafs. not whos better pogge or price. i admit i brought the pogge vs price thing up but like someone said were debating on something thats undebatable so lets leave it.
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admin
Forum Admin
Canada
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Posted - 11/18/2008 : 14:26:11
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Originally posted by Leafsfan_94
....actually. why dont we get a moderator or an admin to lock this topic because its impossible to tell whos better yet because price in the the NHL and pogge is in the AHL....
No need to lock it. It's your call if you want to participate, but many are finding this a worthwhile debate. That's the beauty of forum threads, they die when they want to. |
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Guest9464
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Posted - 11/18/2008 : 16:48:25
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leafsfan101 - What are you talking about???? When has the wants and voicing of leaf fans ever made a difference in the way their prospects are handled???? Veterans for sure. There is a long line of them but management pisses away prospects all the time no matter who they are.
Having said that, this time they'll keep him. The plan has been in the works since Ferguson made his only good move and brought in Tosk for the short haul. He's only got a couple more years with the Leafs.
Hey maybe if Spezza can hold out for that long we can send Tosk to Ottawa for him. LOL |
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Leafsfan_94
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1070 Posts |
Posted - 11/18/2008 : 17:30:47
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your right admin. sorry i even mentioned it. i just wanted to lock it because people are commenting on it cause they think im stupid, not that they want to talk about it.
but whatever its your call.
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Originally posted by Leafsfan_94
....actually. why dont we get a moderator or an admin to lock this topic because its impossible to tell whos better yet because price in the the NHL and pogge is in the AHL....
No need to lock it. It's your call if you want to participate, but many are finding this a worthwhile debate. That's the beauty of forum threads, they die when they want to.
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admin
Forum Admin
Canada
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Posted - 11/18/2008 : 17:49:44
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Originally posted by Leafsfan_94
your right admin. sorry i even mentioned it. i just wanted to lock it because people are commenting on it cause they think im stupid, not that they want to talk about it. but whatever its your call.
to be clear the some of the guests said that you were "biased". But you called one of them "dumb" 
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Leafsfan_94
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1070 Posts |
Posted - 11/18/2008 : 18:27:15
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nevermind admin lol, im talking about all around through all the posts on this topic not recent
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your right admin. sorry i even mentioned it. i just wanted to lock it because people are commenting on it cause they think im stupid, not that they want to talk about it. but whatever its your call.
to be clear the some of the guests said that you were "biased". But you called one of them "dumb"
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 11/18/2008 : 18:44:26
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Here is the thing, In my humble opinion. Price vs Pogge is no contest today. Price has proven to be a very good NHL goalie. Pooge can't even get a back up job over a 42 year old man. Today.
That being said, this would be more relevant in 5 years. Maybe then Pogge with have some NHL experience and this would be a more reasonable question.
Ultimately, a goalie is the position that is the most 'what have you done for me lately.' Price just wins hockey games, Pogge just fills TO media with Hope.
I would chose the wins over the hope any day. Victory to Price today. We'll have round 2 in a few years. |
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Leafsfan_94
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1070 Posts |
Posted - 11/18/2008 : 19:30:44
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i agree. if they were to bring pogge up now, price might still do better because of his nhl experience. i dont know, i kind of wanted to stop this pogge vs price thing, and stay on pogge's future. because like someone said considering there in different leagues its a little undebateable
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Here is the thing, In my humble opinion. Price vs Pogge is no contest today. Price has proven to be a very good NHL goalie. Pooge can't even get a back up job over a 42 year old man. Today.
That being said, this would be more relevant in 5 years. Maybe then Pogge with have some NHL experience and this would be a more reasonable question.
Ultimately, a goalie is the position that is the most 'what have you done for me lately.' Price just wins hockey games, Pogge just fills TO media with Hope.
I would chose the wins over the hope any day. Victory to Price today. We'll have round 2 in a few years.
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fat_elvis_rocked
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
902 Posts |
Posted - 11/20/2008 : 14:22:15
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I actually think Leaf's management is doing the right thing by not pushing Pogge into the NHL yet. They are rebuilding, and nothing would/could damage a young goalie's development more than putting him into a pressure situation without a team to help him develop. While doing okay this year, the Leafs are rebuilding, and keeping the stability in net with veterans in goal is a good thing in my opinion. How much more pressure would Schenn and the rest of the young guys feel, without the knowledge of a proven NHL level netminder in the pipes?
Another year in the A isn't hurting Pogge, and if anything, if he continues to win at that level, it can only help his confidence when the time comes to move up. To compare starting Price with last year's Habs team, to letting Pogge start with last year's, or even this year's version of the Leafs, is a stretch at best. The Habs have done their rebuilding and are now looking at maintaining and improving. The Leafs are still rebuilding, and nothing could hurt the process more than psychologically ruining a top prospect at the goalie postion.
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Leafsfan_94
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1070 Posts |
Posted - 11/20/2008 : 16:19:38
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they have been saying that for the least 2 years. oh lets keep him down in the minors.he wants to be in the nhl. toskala is sucking as of late. CuJo is washed up. let pogge have some games in the nhl. put CuJo in the minors. he can be a good mentor for some of the marlies goaltenders. i mean the habs did the same thing with price did they not?and hes doing fine in montreal.i do agree that he is getting a good amount of ice time in the AHL, but he needs some NHL playing Time. i mean the leafs hadnt been playing THAT bad lately and im sure they'll play good infront of pogge. i mean there even playing good infront of toskala, but he's letting in garbage goals all the time. i dont really want them to rush him either, like the habs are doing with price, which i think is stupid but thats carbo's choice. but he needs to get more NHL ice time sometime, and in the pre-season he played better than CuJo and toskala all around statistically.
say what you want about my opinion but pogge cant be a minor league goalie forever.
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I actually think Leaf's management is doing the right thing by not pushing Pogge into the NHL yet. They are rebuilding, and nothing would/could damage a young goalie's development more than putting him into a pressure situation without a team to help him develop. While doing okay this year, the Leafs are rebuilding, and keeping the stability in net with veterans in goal is a good thing in my opinion. How much more pressure would Schenn and the rest of the young guys feel, without the knowledge of a proven NHL level netminder in the pipes?
Another year in the A isn't hurting Pogge, and if anything, if he continues to win at that level, it can only help his confidence when the time comes to move up. To compare starting Price with last year's Habs team, to letting Pogge start with last year's, or even this year's version of the Leafs, is a stretch at best. The Habs have done their rebuilding and are now looking at maintaining and improving. The Leafs are still rebuilding, and nothing could hurt the process more than psychologically ruining a top prospect at the goalie postion.
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fat_elvis_rocked
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/21/2008 : 11:54:03
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I just went and checked Pogge's age...he's 22, I have my pair of Bauer 2000's in my garage that are 3 years older than that ....I still think the Leafs are doing the right thing.
There is absolutely no hurry to get this young man into the NHL until such a time as they have a solid team up front. Then let him show if he can be a star or a bust on his own merit, and not the fallacies of an overhauled team. Cujo and Toskala, are proven netminders, again perfect to let a team rebuild their core with. |
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Porkchop73
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 11/21/2008 : 13:08:44
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| I think the only mistakes leafs management has made (in regards to Pogge) is that they let go Steve McKichan as goalie coach. He is known as a better coach then Corey Hirsch. Also letting Pogge ride the pine during the Marlies playoff run was a huge mistake. We might see Pogge with the big club sooner than you think. Toskala makes great trade bait, great price and only 2 yrs left on his contract. With the leafs rebuilding and Pogge playing the lions share of games with the Marlies, he could prove ready for the jump to the bigs and it could happen later this year. |
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hanley6
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 12/28/2008 : 17:06:56
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| Pogge is not that good to be the future of Toronto Maple Leafs, maybe the Marlies but that's it. Pogge has a very bad attitude like Ray Emery and the Leafs dont need an idiot like him |
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hanley6
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
674 Posts |
Posted - 12/28/2008 : 17:16:16
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| Price has not impressed me. Steve Mason on the other hand has proven him greats skills. Toronto should try trade Toskala for either Mike Smith or Steve Mason. Leave Pogge in the Miners and use either one of these two goalies as number 1 and Cujo as backup and the Leafs would be a much stronger team |
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