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mytor4
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 Posted - 03/27/2008 : 20:04:41
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bout time . the leafs are officially eliminated from the playoff. wahoo
no more cbc talk about how great sundin is , hopefully no more crappy leaf games on tv. leafs eliminated we can all celebrate. one more time
wahoooooooooo. it's a great day in canada.
oh lets not forget 67 and counting haha
57 career losses,46 shutouts and 5 vezina trophys.6 Stanley Cup rings in 8 yrs
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Devils Fanatic
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 03/27/2008 : 20:11:20
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There is a god. Now Cherry can stop sucking the Leafs ***** and start talking about real teams.
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MarkhamMax
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 03/27/2008 : 20:35:08
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As a Leafs fan, I'm honestly happy to see yet another year of last minute rallys come to an end. I'm much more interested in an entire season of hockey I can be proud of, not a handful of games.
But don't even think this will put an end to Leafs talk though. There's enough Leafs drama to carry Leafs fans all the way through summer haha.
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Axey
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 03/28/2008 : 04:34:22
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Leafs Rock Planet
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 03/28/2008 : 04:35:52
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As a PROUD Leafsfan, I am ready to be bashed. But, believe me be prepared to make a strong argument.
This team, the Toronto Maple Leafs has put up one hell of a run to try to sneek into the post season. Obviously it wasnt good enough. But let me tell you why I am satisfied.
1. Better Draft Pick? Ya okay thats good.
2. Matt Stajan, Pavel Kubina: All you leaf haters, dont even try to argue this point with me as I doubt you all watch every game like I do.
These two promising but underachieving players have shown what they can really do. Matt Stajan, in my opinion has played the best hockey of his young career. With his best game coming against the Ottawa Senators. He almost single-handedly lead his team back in that game and really proved that he might be able to be a future captain one day.
And as far as Pavel Kubina is concerned, he has played phenominal on not only the defensive end, but aswell on the offensive side of the red line. He has picked up a quiet 37 points with most of which coming in the second half of the season. But, I am still not suggesting that he should be making 5 mill. a year.
3.The never give up factor: This team battled all the way untill 5 games left in the season when the weels probably pre-maturly came off.
Could they have done better? Yes. Should they have battled like this all year? Yes. But you can not say that this team does not have heart. If you have to say that than guess what....
You are not a hockey fan!
And thats my leafs talk before breakfast.
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ThorntonisTHEMAN
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 03/28/2008 : 04:42:17
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Sure, they started having heart with about 2 months left to go in the season. When they actually caught on that they needed to start winning games to make the playoffs. But where were they in the first 4 months of the season? it's always the same thing. THe Leafs do not come out to play for every game of the season. They show up when they play really good teams! But they do not get motivated to beat the bad teams. That is what killed the Leafs AGAIN this year. THey had the talent. They showed that in the last 2 months. But they don't have the desire or motivation to win that some teams do. It's a shame cuz if they did, they would be sitting in a playoff spot right now.
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Leafsfan_94
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 03/28/2008 : 04:58:42
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thanks LRP, you've touched my heart lol and on the stajan thing. i agree with you 100%, since im talking aobut him right now does anyone know whos my favourite toronto maple leaf?
STAJAN
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Originally posted by Leafs Rock Planet
As a PROUD Leafsfan, I am ready to be bashed. But, believe me be prepared to make a strong argument.
This team, the Toronto Maple Leafs has put up one hell of a run to try to sneek into the post season. Obviously it wasnt good enough. But let me tell you why I am satisfied.
1. Better Draft Pick? Ya okay thats good.
2. Matt Stajan, Pavel Kubina: All you leaf haters, dont even try to argue this point with me as I doubt you all watch every game like I do.
These two promising but underachieving players have shown what they can really do. Matt Stajan, in my opinion has played the best hockey of his young career. With his best game coming against the Ottawa Senators. He almost single-handedly lead his team back in that game and really proved that he might be able to be a future captain one day.
And as far as Pavel Kubina is concerned, he has played phenominal on not only the defensive end, but aswell on the offensive side of the red line. He has picked up a quiet 37 points with most of which coming in the second half of the season. But, I am still not suggesting that he should be making 5 mill. a year.
3.The never give up factor: This team battled all the way untill 5 games left in the season when the weels probably pre-maturly came off.
Could they have done better? Yes. Should they have battled like this all year? Yes. But you can not say that this team does not have heart. If you have to say that than guess what....
You are not a hockey fan!
And thats my leafs talk before breakfast.
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"We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time."
- Vince Lombardi
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kingwoody2
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Posted - 03/28/2008 : 07:06:55
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Thortonistheman is right. I am a diehard leafs fan and I am sick of the effort they give every game. Its like they don't care until thier backs are against the wall and damn they better win. Every game in the NHL should be that way.
Look at Staffan Kronwall on the second Bruins goal last night. What the hell was he doing?????????????????????????? HE had the chance to do something, maybe prevent the goal. FINISH THE DAMN PLAY UNTIL THE WHISTLE BLOWS!!!!
And they are a bunch of pussies...no one stands up for each other. The only people who do are Mcabe and Tucker. And Tucker is too small to fight the big guys...Bring Belak back...
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Antroman
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 03/28/2008 : 10:41:37
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| In defense of Kronwall, this play was so far off side most all players would have done the same thing. Absolutely no one knows better than a defenseman backing up on a play like that weather it is offside or not and that wasn't even close for God's sake? Don't listen to what stupid Millen has to say but judge it for yourself. This guy is wrong more often than he is right and just likes for us to hear him talk. I think this is one of the worst blown offside calls I have ever seen. I mean, it was at least three to five feet? I believe that Linesman must have been gaping at some well endowed young lady in the crowd or something because he sure wasn't watching the game? The missed call really influenced the game and it was very typical of what the team has had to put up with all season. Welcome once again to the wonderful world of Bettman hockey!!!!!!! |
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ThorntonisTHEMAN
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 03/28/2008 : 11:42:22
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Originally posted by Antroman
The missed call really influenced the game and it was very typical of what the team has had to put up with all season.
I'm not disagreeing that it was a bad call. It was definitly offside. no question about it. But this is what the team has had to put up with all season? Give me a break! I am so sick of Leaf fans trying to blame this season and seasons passed on the refs, the linesman, "everyone hates us", everyone has it out for us", and so on and so on. The leafs have no more bad calls against them then any other team. Yes there are missed calls. In fact, there was a missed offside in that game in the Leafs favour too. But the Leafs didn't capitalize on it. That's the story of their season. They didn't capitalize on their chances and in fact, often looked like they didn't give a rat's ass. THAT'S why they aren't going to the playoffs this year. Not because of bad referreeing, injuries, or any other excuses that people try to give. But because they just didn't care enough.
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mytor4
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 03/28/2008 : 13:05:17
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Originally posted by ThorntonisTHEMAN
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Originally posted by Antroman
The missed call really influenced the game and it was very typical of what the team has had to put up with all season.
I'm not disagreeing that it was a bad call. It was definitly offside. no question about it. But this is what the team has had to put up with all season? Give me a break! I am so sick of Leaf fans trying to blame this season and seasons passed on the refs, the linesman, "everyone hates us", everyone has it out for us", and so on and so on. The leafs have no more bad calls against them then any other team. Yes there are missed calls. In fact, there was a missed offside in that game in the Leafs favour too. But the Leafs didn't capitalize on it. That's the story of their season. They didn't capitalize on their chances and in fact, often looked like they didn't give a rat's ass. THAT'S why they aren't going to the playoffs this year. Not because of bad referreeing, injuries, or any other excuses that people try to give. But because they just didn't care enough.
"I'm not dumb enough to be a goalie."
Brett Hull.
POST OF THE YEAR. I'm not a Thornton lover but let me say you come up with some of the best reading i have seen on this board.Keep up the good work. Some people hate the truth shoved in ther faces.
57 career losses,46 shutouts and 5 vezina trophys.6 Stanley Cup rings in 8 yrs |
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Leafs Rock Planet
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 03/28/2008 : 13:12:20
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Originally posted by Leafsfan_94
thanks LRP, you've touched my heart lol and on the stajan thing. i agree with you 100%, since im talking aobut him right now does anyone know whos my favourite toronto maple leaf?
STAJAN
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Originally posted by Leafs Rock Planet
As a PROUD Leafsfan, I am ready to be bashed. But, believe me be prepared to make a strong argument.
This team, the Toronto Maple Leafs has put up one hell of a run to try to sneek into the post season. Obviously it wasnt good enough. But let me tell you why I am satisfied.
1. Better Draft Pick? Ya okay thats good.
2. Matt Stajan, Pavel Kubina: All you leaf haters, dont even try to argue this point with me as I doubt you all watch every game like I do.
These two promising but underachieving players have shown what they can really do. Matt Stajan, in my opinion has played the best hockey of his young career. With his best game coming against the Ottawa Senators. He almost single-handedly lead his team back in that game and really proved that he might be able to be a future captain one day.
And as far as Pavel Kubina is concerned, he has played phenominal on not only the defensive end, but aswell on the offensive side of the red line. He has picked up a quiet 37 points with most of which coming in the second half of the season. But, I am still not suggesting that he should be making 5 mill. a year.
3.The never give up factor: This team battled all the way untill 5 games left in the season when the weels probably pre-maturly came off.
Could they have done better? Yes. Should they have battled like this all year? Yes. But you can not say that this team does not have heart. If you have to say that than guess what....
You are not a hockey fan!
And thats my leafs talk before breakfast.
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"We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time."
- Vince Lombardi
Leafsfan_94
Haha I try Lf94 
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Antroman
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 03/30/2008 : 20:53:44
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| Hey Thornton, the truth of the matter is the Leafs did get screwed over by the league and the league officials this year and that is a fact. I have my reasons for this which I have expounded on previously in this blog and I am not going to give you a massive list of the indescretions that have befell the team this year because I would be up all night. Secondly, those who believe the team only started playing well when their backs were to the wall in the last twenty games are very much incorrect. The team was very much not good enough throughout the entire season but mostly not good enough early in the year when having been gifted with a plethora of home games, they failed to take advantage of it and got off to one of their worst starts in their history. In their first 20 games if they had played to a .500 record then things would be considerably different right now. This team worked hard right from training camp on but the constant juggling of personal and a lack of talent, especially up front sealed their fate. Simply put, they were not good enough as a team from the GM to the coaching and down through the roster to achieve a playoff birth. They are not as bad as some of you would have it, but they are not that good either. Changes are in the works and it is going to take time so hold on to your hats because I think it will get worse before it gets better. |
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mytor4
Rookie
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Posted - 03/30/2008 : 22:20:32
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Originally posted by Antroman
Hey Thornton, the truth of the matter is the Leafs did get screwed over by the league and the league officials this year and that is a fact. I have my reasons for this which I have expounded on previously in this blog and I am not going to give you a massive list of the indescretions that have befell the team this year because I would be up all night. Secondly, those who believe the team only started playing well when their backs were to the wall in the last twenty games are very much incorrect. The team was very much not good enough throughout the entire season but mostly not good enough early in the year when having been gifted with a plethora of home games, they failed to take advantage of it and got off to one of their worst starts in their history. In their first 20 games if they had played to a .500 record then things would be considerably different right now. This team worked hard right from training camp on but the constant juggling of personal and a lack of talent, especially up front sealed their fate. Simply put, they were not good enough as a team from the GM to the coaching and down through the roster to achieve a playoff birth. They are not as bad as some of you would have it, but they are not that good either. Changes are in the works and it is going to take time so hold on to your hats because I think it will get worse before it gets better.
haha here we go ,i can see it now.. Big headlines on the front page in T.O..
The Leafs got screwed by the refs this yr Antroman said so.
In the Montreal headlines --- Typical Leaf fans whinning again about being screwed instead of admitting they just stunk.Lots of crying towels needed right away to be delivered right away to Antroman house,he's crying a river.
the leafs miss the playoffs again. life can't get any better. |
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ThorntonisTHEMAN
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 03/31/2008 : 05:07:57
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Originally posted by Antroman
Hey Thornton, the truth of the matter is the Leafs did get screwed over by the league and the league officials this year and that is a fact. I have my reasons for this which I have expounded on previously in this blog and I am not going to give you a massive list of the indescretions that have befell the team this year because I would be up all night. Secondly, those who believe the team only started playing well when their backs were to the wall in the last twenty games are very much incorrect. The team was very much not good enough throughout the entire season but mostly not good enough early in the year when having been gifted with a plethora of home games, they failed to take advantage of it and got off to one of their worst starts in their history. In their first 20 games if they had played to a .500 record then things would be considerably different right now. This team worked hard right from training camp on but the constant juggling of personal and a lack of talent, especially up front sealed their fate. Simply put, they were not good enough as a team from the GM to the coaching and down through the roster to achieve a playoff birth. They are not as bad as some of you would have it, but they are not that good either. Changes are in the works and it is going to take time so hold on to your hats because I think it will get worse before it gets better.
Well, this is eerily similar to what every single one of my Leaf fan friends say (and i have a lot of them) "we got screwed by the league, we worked out tails off but just didn't have the skill to be able to compete, we got screwed by the refs, blah blah blah." And my arguement is the same to you as it is to them.
1. Got screwed by the league.
Your right! how on earth could the league scheduler give them so many home games right at the beginning of the year! How unfair of them! They should know that we absolutely suck at home and they should definitly not have given us such a "difficult" schedule. Give me a break! The Leafs had every opportunity to start the season off well with the schedule they had but they didn't, They choked early.
2. Got screwed by the refs
Every single game that i saw bad calls in that hurt the Leafs, there was also bad calls going the other way. yes, this season had bad calls, just like every other season, proving that refs are human too. But there were no more bad calls against the Leafs than any other team. Every single game that i saw an obvious bad call going agains the Leafs, there was also an obvious bad call in the Leafs favour. The difference? The other teams took advantage of the bad calls while the Leafs didn't. Perfect example: In the recent Leaf game against the Bruins where there was an obvious Bruins offside that wasn't called and led to a goal, there was also an obvious offside earlier in the Leafs favour. However, the Leafs did not capitalize on the opportunity and the Bruins did. Story of the Season.
3. Not enough skill on the team but at least we tried.
In the past 2 months, the Leafs have been almost unbeatable. They have played very hard, worked their tails off, and almost made the playoffs. Where was this talent and effort in the first 3 or 4 months? If the Leafs really don't have skill, they wouldn't have been winning like they have recently. If they really don't have talent, they would have stunk the whole season, not just the first 3 months. I am glad you thought they played their hardest because Paul Maurice sure didn't! I don't know how often i heard after the game how they had been outplayed, outworked, etc etc.
In conclusion, the Leafs had the talent to make the playoffs. I really believe that they have shown that in the past 2 months. But a lack of effort and a "don't care" attitude led to this teams demise.
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Antroman
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 03/31/2008 : 09:19:39
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| Mytor, You are plain and simply something else. You posted my statement in your post but obviously didn't read it. I said the Leafs were plainly not good enough. Now which part of that do you and Thornton not understand? How about "they are not that good". Did you gloss over that too? The Leafs got screwed by the league officials......this is a personal comment pertaining to no one else but me. I can't control what other Leaf fans say or think. As far as them only playing as a team in the last twenty games does not constitute that they were lazy slackers all season. The fact is the team didn't come together as a team until after the trade deadline.......it does not mean they weren't trying before that? They were getting it together for the ten games prior to the McCabe injury in Montreal and then both McCabe and Toskala went down to injuries and another slump ensued which cost Ferguson his job. These, by the way are not excuses but simply facts. Some Leaf fans may be crying but I am not. The team was simply not good enough over the whole schedule to make it and that includes the management. I am going to try and enjoy the playoffs and hope for better Leaf things in the future. I do know one thing though.......I will be alot happier and will sleep alot better when and if the toilet seats get eliminated. |
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Posted - 03/31/2008 : 10:11:18
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Originally posted by Antroman
Mytor, You are plain and simply something else. You posted my statement in your post but obviously didn't read it. I said the Leafs were plainly not good enough. Now which part of that do you and Thornton not understand? How about "they are not that good". Did you gloss over that too? The Leafs got screwed by the league officials......this is a personal comment pertaining to no one else but me. I can't control what other Leaf fans say or think. As far as them only playing as a team in the last twenty games does not constitute that they were lazy slackers all season. The fact is the team didn't come together as a team until after the trade deadline.......it does not mean they weren't trying before that? They were getting it together for the ten games prior to the McCabe injury in Montreal and then both McCabe and Toskala went down to injuries and another slump ensued which cost Ferguson his job. These, by the way are not excuses but simply facts. Some Leaf fans may be crying but I am not. The team was simply not good enough over the whole schedule to make it and that includes the management. I am going to try and enjoy the playoffs and hope for better Leaf things in the future. I do know one thing though.......I will be alot happier and will sleep alot better when and if the toilet seats get eliminated.
iIwill enjoy the playoffs much better this yr also.The teams that gave a true effort are there.Maybe next yr the sad sacks will take the season more seriously instead of waiting till it's to late to start playing.Any ways keep the excuses comming in as they are keeping me a little entertained.
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mytor4
Rookie
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Posted - 03/31/2008 : 10:17:13
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Originally posted by Antroman
Mytor, You are plain and simply something else. You posted my statement in your post but obviously didn't read it. I said the Leafs were plainly not good enough. Now which part of that do you and Thornton not understand? How about "they are not that good". Did you gloss over that too? The Leafs got screwed by the league officials......this is a personal comment pertaining to no one else but me. I can't control what other Leaf fans say or think. As far as them only playing as a team in the last twenty games does not constitute that they were lazy slackers all season. The fact is the team didn't come together as a team until after the trade deadline.......it does not mean they weren't trying before that? They were getting it together for the ten games prior to the McCabe injury in Montreal and then both McCabe and Toskala went down to injuries and another slump ensued which cost Ferguson his job. These, by the way are not excuses but simply facts. Some Leaf fans may be crying but I am not. The team was simply not good enough over the whole schedule to make it and that includes the management. I am going to try and enjoy the playoffs and hope for better Leaf things in the future. I do know one thing though.......I will be alot happier and will sleep alot better when and if the toilet seats get eliminated.
I to will enjoy the playoffs much better this yr also.The teams that gave a true effort are there.Maybe next yr the sad sacks will take the season more seriously instead of waiting till it's to late to start playing.Any ways keep the excuses comming in as they are keeping me a little entertained.
PS. Crying towels are being delivered to you as we speak.
also as the thread was made for i will now abide by it in this thread.
The Toronto Sad Sacks miss the playoffs again. no lazy slackers allowed in playoffs.Life can't get any better. |
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Antroman
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Posted - 03/31/2008 : 10:36:46
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| Mytor4 - You have competely convinced me you are a complete idiot!!!!! |
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leafsfan_101
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Posted - 03/31/2008 : 12:58:52
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| Please, is there any Hab fan out there that can tell me why their team is gunna win the Stanley Cup? Not one Hab fan can say that their team will win. And if they can, what defense do you have here? I can name a couple reasons why they won't win the Cup. Can you tell me why they will? |
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Posted - 03/31/2008 : 13:08:19
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| one reason they have a chance is because they arent the toronto maple leafs... |
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SuperSakic
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Posted - 03/31/2008 : 13:50:31
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Please, is there any Hab fan out there that can tell me why their team is gunna win the Stanley Cup? Not one Hab fan can say that their team will win. And if they can, what defense do you have here? I can name a couple reasons why they won't win the Cup. Can you tell me why they will?
They are sitting near the top of the conference for some reason. They had to have had success if they got there right? Which means that they are capable of beating most any team out there (If they try hard enough).
Just by virtue of them being in the playoffs gives them the chance to win.
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nashvillepreds
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Posted - 03/31/2008 : 14:03:17
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Originally posted by SuperSakic
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Originally posted by leafsfan_101
Please, is there any Hab fan out there that can tell me why their team is gunna win the Stanley Cup? Not one Hab fan can say that their team will win. And if they can, what defense do you have here? I can name a couple reasons why they won't win the Cup. Can you tell me why they will?
They are sitting near the top of the conference for some reason. They had to have had success if they got there right? Which means that they are capable of beating most any team out there (If they try hard enough).
Just by virtue of them being in the playoffs gives them the chance to win.
The leafs, on the other hand, don't have that luxury.
But Supersakic, um, I believe the kings beat the wings this season because they tried hard. The habs don't have a good enough team, no matter what anybody says. Plus, to top it all off, Neither Streit or Koivu played in saturday night's game.
Ellis or Mason?
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leafsfan_101
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Posted - 03/31/2008 : 14:04:34
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Did I say the Leafs are as good as the Habs? I don't think their capable of winning the Cup, just like i didn't think the Leafs could make the playoffs. I haven't heard one Montreal fan tell me why their team will win the Cup. Please, Habs fans out there, speak up!
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andyhack
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Posted - 03/31/2008 : 14:48:11
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Did I say the Leafs are as good as the Habs? I don't think their capable of winning the Cup, just like i didn't think the Leafs could make the playoffs. I haven't heard one Montreal fan tell me why their team will win the Cup. Please, Habs fans out there, speak up!
Well I'm about as much of a Hab fan as Paris Hilton is a virgin, but I'll give it a go really quickly:
1) Power play is excellent - this has always been crucial in the playoffs of course, and has become even moreso with penalties being called more
2) No really strong/powerful team in the East that can just knock them off based on talent
3) I know they missed last year, but when you think about the years before that, this group has had a couple of opportunities before - they are experienced and will be better for it this year
4) Team speed - not just skating but puck movement - they are not only faster than most, they seem to be smarter
5) The Rookie Goalie thing - I think Price is going to shine because of the all important Number 6
6) I've said it once, and I'll say it again, and NEVER underestimate this - GOD IS A HABS FAN
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Patchy
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Posted - 03/31/2008 : 15:20:19
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Injuries are a huge issue with the Habs right now. I mean geez they lost to the leafs! How does that make Mytor feel??
They have absolutely no chance without Koivu, Komisarek and Streit out of the lineup!
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leafsfan_101
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Posted - 03/31/2008 : 15:35:09
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I'll counter that:
1). The playoffs are a totally diffrent game. There are considerably less penalties called and every team's PK is better. You wont go far in the postseason if you only rely on your PP.
2). No really strong or talented team in the East. Montreal is in that category. Plus, Pittsburgh is a better team then the Habs.
3). Montreal has no proven playoff performers. They are also short on playerswho have been to the playoffs. Kovalev seems to go cold this time of year, and they are without Saku Koivu, thier leader. So they are fairly unproven.
4). Team speed isn't all that good. But it's not bad. Speed won't be the thing that winns the Cup though.
5). Rookie Goalie = Unknown. Only speculation can be made when it comes to this.
6). And Finally.....God threw out his Habs Jersey after the Roy trade. Nowadays he has a Wings or Sharks jersey on.
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mytor4
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Posted - 03/31/2008 : 16:04:09
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Originally posted by leafsfan_101
I'll counter that:
1). The playoffs are a totally diffrent game. There are considerably less penalties called and every team's PK is better. You wont go far in the postseason if you only rely on your PP.
2). No really strong or talented team in the East. Montreal is in that category. Plus, Pittsburgh is a better team then the Habs.
3). Montreal has no proven playoff performers. They are also short on playerswho have been to the playoffs. Kovalev seems to go cold this time of year, and they are without Saku Koivu, thier leader. So they are fairly unproven.
4). Team speed isn't all that good. But it's not bad. Speed won't be the thing that winns the Cup though.
5). Rookie Goalie = Unknown. Only speculation can be made when it comes to this.
6). And Finally.....God threw out his Habs Jersey after the Roy trade. Nowadays he has a Wings or Sharks jersey on.
I will also counter yours
1--Special teams are one of the most inportant and deciding factors in the playoffs.It's not our pp that worrys me it's our pk which ranks in the bottom third of the league.
2-No really strong or talented team in the East. The habs may be not as strong as a lot of other teams but they sure as hell are just as talanted as a team. Proof 'check the standings.
3- I give you this one outright.
4-This one is where your way off.Most experts are claiming that the Habs are among the swiftest teams in theNHL and as most experts say speed kills.
5- Rookie goalie yes. Unproven in the nhl playoffs yes but has won at every level and has excel under pressure at every level.
6- Who knows or cares what team god follows. He decides nothing that happens on the ice.
Me personally i don't think we are going to take the cup this yr but anybody thinking we don't stand a chance is thinking with their heart instead of their brain. The Hockey News has the Habs at 15-1 odds.Which is the 8th best odds on average. So looking at it that way we stand at a 50- 50 chance which i would say is about right.
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leafsfan_101
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Canada
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Posted - 03/31/2008 : 16:27:40
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Is PP really important in the playoffs? Lets look at that. Last year, Montreal led the league in PP%. They had a league best 22.8%. They didn't even make the playoffs. The NYR had the best PP in the playoffs. They were out in the 2nd round.
The playoffs are a totally different game. PK is better because of the importance of the games. San Jose, the team with the 2nd best PP in the season last year, were 3rd last in the playoffs. This is because the playoffs are different, and anything can happen. And the most frequent occurrence is teams heavily relying on the power play don't fare as well.
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mytor4
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Posted - 03/31/2008 : 17:19:54
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Originally posted by leafsfan_101
Is PP really important in the playoffs? Lets look at that. Last year, Montreal led the league in PP%. They had a league best 22.8%. They didn't even make the playoffs. The NYR had the best PP in the playoffs. They were out in the 2nd round.
The playoffs are a totally different game. PK is better because of the importance of the games. San Jose, the team with the 2nd best PP in the season last year, were 3rd last in the playoffs. This is because the playoffs are different, and anything can happen. And the most frequent occurrence is teams heavily relying on the power play don't fare as well.
You ask is the PP really important in the playoffs. Your post answers that question which is yes. You said--San Jose, the team with the 2nd best PP in the season last year, were 3rd last in the playoffs.
Results they got knocked out. Now how do you think they might have faired had they keeped there powerplay in tack during the playoffs. They maybe could have won the cup.We all know the pk is more intense during the playoffs but if a team like the Sharks or Habs this yr can keep their pp up in the playoffs than it would lead to more goals scored which inturn could lead to more wins . So yes to a team that has their pp going good in the playoffs it's very important to them and also very important to the team getting kill by the PP. Hope you understand where i'm comming from. A lot of pro sportcasters say special teams can make the difference between winning and losing in the playoffs and special teams consist of the PK and the PP.
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leafsfan_101
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 03/31/2008 : 18:03:40
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Point nicely made mytor. Looking further into this, besides Anaheim last year, Carolina was 2nd and Tampa 1st when they won the Cup. So PP in the playoffs does matter.
Nice call mytor, you made me do research and change my mind.
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andyhack
PickupHockey Pro
Japan
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Posted - 03/31/2008 : 19:27:00
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I don't agree at all with the idea that Montreal is short of guys who have been to the playoffs. A fair portion of their core guys (Koivu may be gone for a bit, but Kovalev, Ryder, Markov for example) were there for the victories over not bad Boston teams in 2002 and 2004. Both those Montreal teams lost in the next round , but they were competitive to a point in each series. They also made the playoffs in 2006 losing a hard fought series to the Canes. They have some good experience there and, having lost some tough quarter-final battles, those guys will be that much hungrier for much more this year.
As for the point about God, it was for fun of course, but I will say this - weird things sometimes happen with Montreal. Whether it's real or not there is that perception, and sometimes the perception of "magic" can be as valuable as its reality.
And alhough I totally agree with a "we make our own breaks" philosophy, I also believe that, sometimes anyway, luck just goes bigtime one way or the other. I am always surprised that people react so strongly against this concept. The Habs, for example, were quite lucky in both '86 and '93 (the Steve Smith thing removing the Oilers from the picture in '86, and the 10 overtime wins in '93*).
* noone is going to convince me that there isn't a great deal of luck to the outcome of an overtime game, but if we are just talking 6 or 7 out of 10 games, maybe I won't make too much of a big deal about the luck factor. But when a team wins 10 out of 11 or whatever it was for the Habs that year, that is, to a certain extent, just getting more bounces than your opponents. They were good yes, but they were lucky. Why people dismiss the possibility that the outcome in sports sometimes just basically comes down to luck is an interesting question. I think it may be our need to feel that we are in control of things. Maybe we are - but tell me it's not weird, freaky, fluky (or whatever word you want to use) that somehow the Habs were more in control of things at just the right time that year than their opponents.
Edit - correction about Kovalev - he wasn't with the Habs in 2002 - but he had a fair amount of playoff experience in his Ranger years
Edit 2 - sorry, was wrong about Higgins too - thought he was with them back then as a rookie for some reason
Edit 3 - Haaa - sorry again for my factual errors - 2002 they lost to the Canes in the quarters, 2004 they lost to Tampa Bay in the quarters and 2006 they lost to the Canes in the first round - Higgins did play in that 2006 series |
Edited by - andyhack on 03/31/2008 20:00:24 |
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alright no more leaf talk 
