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Canucks Man
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 Posted - 10/27/2008 : 17:17:40
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What do you all think of the hit to the head of Carolina prospect Brandon Sutter. The new Sutter in the NHL was hit in the head by Islanders forward Doug Weight on saturday while reaching for the puck at center ice and has suffered a concussion.
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Edited by - leigh on 11/06/2008 16:29:25
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leigh
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Posted - 10/27/2008 : 18:02:52
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Technically a clean hit (a beautiful one at that!) I don't think Weight was aiming for his head either. Now, could Weight have lightened up knowing that Sutter was vulnerable as he was reaching? Sure, but very rarely does anyone let up at that level of the game. An unfortunate accident really.
I'm completely against legislating hits to the head. It's far too difficult to police and is completely subjective. I also believe that players at this level have to accept responsibility for the risks they take to make the money they do.
I hope Sutter is back on his feet soon and back in the game. He'll have learned a valuable lesson no doubt. |
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J-Dog
Top Prospect
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Posted - 10/27/2008 : 18:39:15
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To me, Sutter was a little hunched over so his head was at Weights shoulder level. I agree with Leigh, it was clean in this circumstance, although it is pretty subjective. I didn't see any reaching or deliberate aiming at the head by Weight and that's what we (at least I am) should be looking for. Hits to the head will happen regardless of if rules are put in place, but if we can at least control and sentence the deliberate hits, the game will stay respectful. Lets also keep in mind that Doug Weight has never been a dirty player, he averages less than 1 PIM per game so less than 1 penalty every 2 games, and at 5'11" lets just say he's not the most likely player to go head hunting. |
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Porkchop73
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 10/28/2008 : 05:00:33
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A rookie mistake coming through the neutral zone by Sutter. He could have enough time to reach for a loose puck in junior and avoid that hit but at the NHL level someone is always on you and you have to keep your head up no matter what.
I have watched the hit a few times, clean hit by Weight and you could tell with the camera on him afterward that he had concern for Sutter.
Head hits are dangerous and have ended some careers but I agree with Leigh, how do you police it. This is a contact sport and its played at extreme speed at the NHL level. Can a player really let up in that situation when he becomes committed to the hit and then the kid reaches for a loose puck and puts his head down? Maybe in some situations the hitter has enought time to let up if he sees the potential but I don't think most would. |
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Guest0584
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Posted - 10/28/2008 : 07:30:26
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| I played with brandon sutter in inline hockey this year. Basically I think hes still used to playing a game where hitting was disallowed because i cant even count the number of times he would make that play |
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Axey
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 10/28/2008 : 09:33:44
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Don Cherry has been saying it for decades now ... 'keep your head up kids.. or your gunna get it!' The man knows what he is talking about here, there is no prisoners in this game and the kids are gunna hafta learn like Lindros never did or they will end up just like him.
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Guest2750
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Posted - 10/28/2008 : 11:59:49
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| Yeah policing head hits is just way too difficult. It definitley was not an intent to injure. Weight went for the hit and Sutter had his head down. Rookie mistake by Sutter. He will learn from this and adjust to this level of play. |
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Guest4803
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Posted - 10/28/2008 : 12:11:19
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| Reminded me of a clean version of steve moore on naslund |
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Canucks Man
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Posted - 10/28/2008 : 14:47:14
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Originally posted by Guest4803
Reminded me of a clean version of steve moore on naslund
The Steve Moore hit on Naslund was clean.
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Guest4803
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Posted - 10/28/2008 : 15:29:30
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| haha no...then so was bertuzzi's |
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Guest4803
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Posted - 10/28/2008 : 15:31:18
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| naslund didnt have the puck...sutter did or was trying for it ....thats the difference between dirty head shot and nice clean hit |
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Canucks Man
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 10/28/2008 : 15:58:21
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Originally posted by Guest4803
naslund didnt have the puck...sutter did or was trying for it ....thats the difference between dirty head shot and nice clean hit
Ummm, even NASLUND the person who ot hit I remind you said that it was a clean hit. So did Linden. Oh and if you watched the hit you would no that Naslund was making a play for the puck when he was hit.
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Guest4803
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Posted - 10/28/2008 : 16:11:02
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| Ya...ok thats why the team put a reward out for moore's head, because it was clean....i seem to remember everyone saying if the league wasnt going to do something about it then they would...which they did....woudlnt of naslund or linden (especially linden..cause we know naslund hates to have to actually stand up and lead a team) of spoke up to prevent it if they thought it was a clean play. |
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Canucks Man
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Posted - 10/28/2008 : 16:25:40
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Originally posted by Guest4803
Ya...ok thats why the team put a reward out for moore's head, because it was clean....i seem to remember everyone saying if the league wasnt going to do something about it then they would...which they did....woudlnt of naslund or linden (especially linden..cause we know naslund hates to have to actually stand up and lead a team) of spoke up to prevent it if they thought it was a clean play.
Naslund and Linden did say it was a clean play, Brad May said the whole bounty thing. Im not going to agrue about this anymore, I have already spent to much time doing this. I stand by not only my opinion but the opinion of Markus Naslund and Trevor Linden.
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admin
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Posted - 10/29/2008 : 16:37:12
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| Just want to remind everyone to stay on topic. Although the Naslund Moore hit is relevant to this topic, I don't want this thread to turn into a Bertuzzi / Moore debate. Consider this a preemptive notice. |
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LuonGod
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 10/30/2008 : 10:58:40
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Welcome to the NHL. Although I hated Lindros since he gave up on Quebec, I do feel bad he had to be halted with concussions. Its not Weights fault. He has been an honest player for years. He was not trying to hurt Sutter. The Bergeron hit should never be forgiven, this hit is minimal. Besides, he is a Sutter, he will deal with it....I hope.
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fanoleaf
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Posted - 11/06/2008 : 15:05:02
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He will learn to keep his head up.
I also think that Dougie seized the opportunity. I am not suggesting that the hit was not clean, however if he wanted to, he could have backed off.
Most importantly, I think that it is important that Brandon gets well quiclky and gets back into the game. |
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Guest4494
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Posted - 11/08/2008 : 19:29:50
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Originally posted by LuonGod
Welcome to the NHL. Although I hated Lindros since he gave up on Quebec, I do feel bad he had to be halted with concussions. Its not Weights fault. He has been an honest player for years. He was not trying to hurt Sutter. The Bergeron hit should never be forgiven, this hit is minimal. Besides, he is a Sutter, he will deal with it....I hope.
Never ever cut what can be untied!!!!
just a question if weight wasnt trying to hurt sutter what was he trying to do??? sutter didnt have the puck the aim of a body check is to remove someone from the puck sutter didnt have it(as part of the game it was intended in the rules not to intimidate or interfere in order to get puck but to seperate an opponent from the puck)he could have took the puck went around sutter and attempted to score the goal of playing hockey instead he chose to drive his hip not shoulder into sutters head not clean in my book and weight is known as a dirty player thank u very much. Ps i love ahard hitting game (playing as well as watching and agree occasionly heads do get hit but come on any player that has played aside from weights would say it was a cheapshot he had oppurtuntiy to play hockey but he took the oppurturnity to hit a player with his head down and without the puck. You also dont have to have a lot of pm to be dirty player it just means you dont get caught weight is just lucky sutters bros arent playing as (i seem to recall weight doing same thing and someone almost ending his career im sure he called it dirty) as everyone on occasion puts themselves in vulnerable position and they would make him pay one way or another. Your right about inexperience he should have known there is players in the league who will try to take advantage of a player in a vulnerable postion and as his uncle said brought his stick up before weight hit him and let weight get his teeth knocked out for the privilege of cheap shot you get penalty maybe for high stickeing but i guarntee next time weight sees you in a vulnerable postion hell hold up a bit go for the puck. Francis (dint have puck admiring his pass "cherry" sorry how long after you pass are u supposed to watch for someone coming)had alot of exp but setvens caught him as with kariya another guy who didnt have puck. Watch some of the old games they where hard hitting on guys taht had the puck if you tried that hit in the 70 80s ten guys would jumped weight and he wouldnt have done it then as he knew what would happen and weightlets his stick do the talking not his hands. Again dont misinterpret low penaltys as a good guy claude lemieux didnt get a lot neither does chris draper . not to get too far of track sutter didnt have puck so no it wasnt a clean hit weight saw oppurtuntity to change monetum or pay back who knows or maybe he had fight with his wife i dont know but his intent was to hurt him if he wanted puck he was moving at full speed while sutter was stopped he colud have taken puck but he chose to plow into a defenceless player and leave the puck 10 ft behind him what was result after hit weight quick looked around to see who was coming (can you say guilty cons) as with hit on bergeron the guy quickly turned around looking to see who would come gunning for him they know what they did |
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CaliforniaSeal
Top Prospect
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Posted - 11/09/2008 : 16:21:30
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Obviously the person above me never played hockey. When you are lining someone up for a hit, you cannot ease up at the last second. Watch the replay, Sutter puts his head down about a third of a second before he is hit. Players that want to go around easing up on hits will likely injure themselves. Clean hit and if you don't like watch some sort of non contact league.
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