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hanley6
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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 Posted - 12/28/2008 : 17:30:04
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Poll Question:
What would be the best bet for Toronto's Goaltending
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hanley6
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
674 Posts |
Posted - 12/28/2008 : 17:33:43
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| personally I think Toronto should Trade away Toskala for a better goalie but if they were to keep Toskala I say Toronto would be a much better team if Cujo was the number 1 goalie, Toskala was backup and they can keep Pogge in the miners for ever or get rid of him for all I care, he's not good enough for the Leafs |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 12/29/2008 : 10:09:13
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This is the part about (some) Leafs fans that I just don't understand. Why would any GM in the league trade a goalie straight up for another goalie is not as good??? I can't seem to understand that.
And there have been some stats thrown around in a few of the threads about goaltending.
How about these stats. Since Joining the Leafs, who most if not all can agree are not a very solid team, Toskala has been ranked in the top ten in games played, wins, and most shots against. His save percentage is near the bottom, but most if not all of his other numbers are in and around the top 10 in the league.
Lets take a second to compare a couple of goalies. Chris Osgood plays on a stacked team. Did you know his save % is only 4% higher than Toskala's??? How about Kipprusoff. He has a save percentage of .904 while Toskala's is .897. That works out to 1 more goal allowed over 5 games.
Toskala is definately a capable #1 NHL goalie. Granted, I would say barely in the top 10 these days, but is still there.
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Matt_Roberts85
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
936 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2008 : 10:42:14
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Hanley, are you like 6 years old or something? There are 3 or 4 topics on torontos goaltending and you have to start another one? Why?
You think Cujo is better than Toskala? get real.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
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Lunchbox
Top Prospect
Canada
88 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2008 : 12:00:31
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| I have to agree with that. Cujo is not the way to go in Toronto. He may have been a decent goalie but I'm pretty sure his best days are behind him, unless he has an improbable comeback season. It seems there's a lot of talk from Toronto fans about trading Toskala, and I think its not a bad idea. Odds are they'll only get draft picks, because not many people are shopping any decent goalies. I say trade him anyways for some futures and then start Pogge. People seem to think he's not ready, that it will destroy his career in Toronto, but they said the same of Price in Montreal when he was thrown in. I think Pogge can do an alright job for the Leafs, he'll gain some experience, and if he tanks at least they get a good draft pick at the end of the year and can rebuild around a young goalie with potential. |
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Matt_Roberts85
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 12/29/2008 : 13:04:12
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Lunchbox obviously isn't out to lunch. I completley agree.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
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hanley6
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
674 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2008 : 13:08:35
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Originally posted by Matt_Roberts85
Hanley, are you like 6 years old or something? There are 3 or 4 topics on torontos goaltending and you have to start another one? Why?
You think Cujo is better than Toskala? get real.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
Calm down Mr Roberts. It's the first Goalie Poll, It's interesting to see what people pick. As you can see you're Pogge isn't looking too good in it at the moment. Let me guess you were the only person to pick him as the starter so far |
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hanley6
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
674 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2008 : 13:12:53
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Originally posted by hanley6
[quote]Originally posted by Matt_Roberts85
Hanley, are you like 6 years old or something? There are 3 or 4 topics on torontos goaltending and you have to start another one? Why?
You think Cujo is better than Toskala? get real.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
Calm down Mr Roberts. It's the first Goalie Poll, It's interesting to see what people pick. As you can see you're Pogge isn't looking too good in it at the moment. Let me guess you were the only person to pick him as the starter so far. And yes I know Cujo is better than Toskala. Toskala is weak and if they give Cujo a chance and let him have back to back starts instead of sitting him out for 10 games he will help Toronto and things will start looking better. He is better than Toskala no doubt about it. Toskala is no better than backup material
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Hustler90
Top Prospect
Canada
53 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2008 : 13:38:04
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| I said start Toskala and have Pogge as a backup, It is time to take the next step with Pogge. Put Cujo in the minors and force him to retire. He looks awful this year. He hasn't looked NHL material at all. |
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hanley6
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
674 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2008 : 15:57:51
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| woo hoo Toronto should win tonight Cujo is starting tonights game |
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Porkchop73
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 12/30/2008 : 16:36:25
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Originally posted by hanley6
woo hoo Toronto should win tonight Cujo is starting tonights game
You must have set a record for most posts in your first two days as a member. I also must tell you that it is Leaf fans like you that make a Leaf fan like myself and everywhere else look like idiots. Take your Maple Leaf glasses off. You will see that there is 29 other teams and close to 700 other players to talk about. It would be nice to see your opinions without the Maple Leafs being the only answer. You have made some great points only to spoil them with too much Maple Leafs rule stuff. My apologies to all if this was offensive to anyone. |
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Hustler90
Top Prospect
Canada
53 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2008 : 18:02:14
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| Try to find one of this guys post that isn't saying the complete opposite of what everyone else says just for the sake of argument. |
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Jephman
Top Prospect
Canada
52 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2008 : 18:48:42
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Originally posted by hanley6
personally I think Toronto should Trade away Toskala for a better goalie but if they were to keep Toskala I say Toronto would be a much better team if Cujo was the number 1 goalie, Toskala was backup and they can keep Pogge in the miners for ever or get rid of him for all I care, he's not good enough for the Leafs
I'm curious who is the better goalie Toronto should trade Toskala for?
Personally I say keep Toskala as the starter, and have Pogge as back-up. Sorry Cujo, you're too old to be a goalie in the NHL. |
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hanley6
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
674 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2008 : 19:19:45
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| I wouldn't say he's too old haha, at least he didn't play like he's too old... He just played a great game and he recorded his 450th career win tonight. I say they keep playing Cujo its nice to see a goalie that can stop the puck |
Edited by - hanley6 on 12/30/2008 19:22:24 |
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hanley6
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
674 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2008 : 19:28:46
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Originally posted by Jephman
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Originally posted by hanley6
personally I think Toronto should Trade away Toskala for a better goalie but if they were to keep Toskala I say Toronto would be a much better team if Cujo was the number 1 goalie, Toskala was backup and they can keep Pogge in the miners for ever or get rid of him for all I care, he's not good enough for the Leafs
I'm curious who is the better goalie Toronto should trade Toskala for?
Personally I say keep Toskala as the starter, and have Pogge as back-up. Sorry Cujo, you're too old to be a goalie in the NHL.
well there are alot of Goalies I'd trade Toskala away for even Roloson or Garon, Tim Thomas or Manny Fernandez, Steve Mason or Pascal Leclaire, Joey McDonald, Cam Ward, Martin Gerber, Mike Smith...ect they are all better than Toskala |
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Lunchbox
Top Prospect
Canada
88 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2008 : 20:44:26
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Those are all some fairly good goalies, yes, but you're only thinking of half the issue. Those other teams have to want to give them up, and a straight up goalie for goalie trade is not likely. If Toronto gives up Toskala, their best bet is for future considerations, draft picks etc. but I say split Toskala and Pogge for the year unless one gets hot, and then if Toskala tanks, trade him in the offseason. If not, its a win-win, as they'll have a good young goalie and a good veteran goalie. As for Cujo, he may have won his 450th tonight, but I think his best days are behind him. Time for Toronto to let him move on to doing commentary for the CBC. (Isnt it Canadian law that retired goalies have to do that?)
*I know I said before to trade Toskala and run with Pogge, but I think now Toronto should only do that if they're going to get something decent. Toskala's value seems a bit down right now, so maybe give him the rest of the season. |
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hanley6
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
674 Posts |
Posted - 01/02/2009 : 00:20:24
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Originally posted by Lunchbox
Those are all some fairly good goalies, yes, but you're only thinking of half the issue. Those other teams have to want to give them up, and a straight up goalie for goalie trade is not likely. If Toronto gives up Toskala, their best bet is for future considerations, draft picks etc. but I say split Toskala and Pogge for the year unless one gets hot, and then if Toskala tanks, trade him in the offseason. If not, its a win-win, as they'll have a good young goalie and a good veteran goalie. As for Cujo, he may have won his 450th tonight, but I think his best days are behind him. Time for Toronto to let him move on to doing commentary for the CBC. (Isnt it Canadian law that retired goalies have to do that?)
*I know I said before to trade Toskala and run with Pogge, but I think now Toronto should only do that if they're going to get something decent. Toskala's value seems a bit down right now, so maybe give him the rest of the season.
Toskala has stank ever since he left Sanjose. I've said this before and I know alot of people agree with me and alot of people dont He's a decent backup he's not good enough to even play half the games let alone Toronto's number 1 goalie. As for Pogge I don't like the idea of him joining the team yet he needs more time in the miners. Cujo played a strong back to back games beating Atlanta and losing to Buffalo but he played well both games atleast it shows that Toronto has a goalie that can stop the puck, He shows he's still got it by not allowing any weak assed goals like Toskala does all the time. Toronto needs to either find a way to trade Toskala and Kubina for a decent goalie and a draft pick or just play play Cujo more often because he deserves to play more. He is 41 but he is still a good goalie and he will prove himself but only if Toronto shows him respect and don't sit him for a month. |
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Lunchbox
Top Prospect
Canada
88 Posts |
Posted - 01/02/2009 : 00:48:20
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| I agree that Toskala was better in San Jose. I mean, some goalies can be great in one city and terrible in another for no good reason (Think of Vancouver for the last ten years before Luongo) But I just doubt that Toronto is going to get a #1 goalie in a straight across trade for Toskala. And if Cujo's is so great, why trade Toskala for a goalie? If youre dead set against Toskala, would it not be better to split Joseph and Pogge the rest of the year (maybe next as well) and trade Toskala for some future considerations, a young gun. A team that needs a goalie like Toskala, is not going to have a great goalie to give back. |
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hanley6
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
674 Posts |
Posted - 01/02/2009 : 01:42:42
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Originally posted by Lunchbox
I agree that Toskala was better in San Jose. I mean, some goalies can be great in one city and terrible in another for no good reason (Think of Vancouver for the last ten years before Luongo) But I just doubt that Toronto is going to get a #1 goalie in a straight across trade for Toskala. And if Cujo's is so great, why trade Toskala for a goalie? If youre dead set against Toskala, would it not be better to split Joseph and Pogge the rest of the year (maybe next as well) and trade Toskala for some future considerations, a young gun. A team that needs a goalie like Toskala, is not going to have a great goalie to give back.
well either way it would be better than playing Toskala. Another thought would be to trade Toskala and Kubina off to LA for a kid named Jonathan Quick and either D Drew Doughty or C Oscar Moller all good young hockey players and if they go through with it they would all help out Toronto now and the future |
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Guest9826
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Posted - 01/02/2009 : 09:04:11
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hanley6
you are absolutely mental if you think they should keep toskala and cujo and you think pogge sucks. did you by any chance catch the game he played. he actually picked up the win. and i dont beleive cujo has a win yet now does he? |
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Hustler90
Top Prospect
Canada
53 Posts |
Posted - 01/02/2009 : 09:04:23
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| Hanley you really have to realize that people just don't trade away their star prospects like that, especially for Toskala and Kubina, maybe if Toronto wanted to throw in their first round draft pick this year too than hed probably consider it. LA is not gonna give up Quick very easily. And as for you saying for Toronto to trade for Mason. Thats crazy, This kid just recorded 3 shutouts in a row. Now do you really think Colombus is gonna consider trading this guy? smarten up. |
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Matt_Roberts85
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 01/02/2009 : 12:53:22
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hanley, do you stay up all night eating pixie sticks and drinking coffee, watching old leaf games on leafs tv? Then spend all day on here arguing about the leafs?
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
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Leafsfan_94
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1070 Posts |
Posted - 01/02/2009 : 21:44:48
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yeah hanley, why on earth would LA give up Drew Doughty for toskala and kubina. i wouldnt trade him for the entire leafs team!
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hanley6
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 01/03/2009 : 13:34:13
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Originally posted by Leafsfan_94
yeah hanley, why on earth would LA give up Drew Doughty for toskala and kubina. i wouldnt trade him for the entire leafs team!
Leafsfan_94
there has been a lot worse trades anything can happen skippy |
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Hustler90
Top Prospect
Canada
53 Posts |
Posted - 01/03/2009 : 20:14:44
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| keep dreaming |
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hanley6
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
674 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2009 : 05:59:02
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Originally posted by Hustler90
keep dreaming
hahaha I've noticed in other comments, you are always putting Toronto in General down.. I love the fact that whenever Toronto and Detroit play each other Detroit has a tough time against them. In fact I don't remember the last time Detroit has beat Toronto |
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Hustler90
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 01/04/2009 : 13:31:46
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Haha, here is the funny part. I am a leafs fan straight up. I just like Steve Yzerman, other than that I am not a fan of Detroit in anyway. I am not putting Toronto down, I am putting you down for saying stupid things Toronto should do to their team.
(ADMIN EDIT - Agree or disagree, do me a favor and don't put anyone down please.) |
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hanley6
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 01/07/2009 : 21:07:57
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Originally posted by Hustler90
Haha, here is the funny part. I am a leafs fan straight up. I just like Steve Yzerman, other than that I am not a fan of Detroit in anyway. I am not putting Toronto down, I am putting you down for saying stupid things Toronto should do to their team.
really Leafs fan???????? I remember you saying this
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Originally posted by Hustler90
Toronto has great positonal but is a little low on the talent department and have a hard time scoring. If Ottawa ever got a hold of good GM or a Coach they might turn this team around and it would live up to its potential. They almost had the cup one year and then screwed around made a couple stupid moves and now they've fallen apart. Both Toronto and Ottawa suck, end of discussion.
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Guest7179
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Posted - 01/07/2009 : 21:21:24
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| toskala is one of the best goalies when it comes to sharing the #1 role. he is no "solid" #1. his track record proves it. leafs should go pick up a goalie from hawks, (huet?)... and have toskala share #1 with him, huet is also a good #1 when it comes to "sharing" the role. get rid of OLD players (like cujo). when are you guys going to learn how to build or re-build a team?? stop picking players with your heart (cujo) and your "hopes" (cujo again, and also mays, and also burke for that matter!!), go with youth and get a decent coaching staff to get them going... |
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forumer09
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Posted - 04/18/2009 : 19:00:15
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| just stay the way they are |
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Guest4812
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Posted - 04/19/2009 : 08:15:43
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| Stick with Toskla and Pogge get rid of Cujo either then that the rest if fine and they will do good with some young picks. |
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Kieph
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 04/19/2009 : 08:16:21
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Originally posted by Guest4812
Stick with Toskla and Pogge get rid of Cujo either then that the rest if fine and they will do good with some young picks.
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Reeder17
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 04/19/2009 : 08:47:35
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Sign Gerber one more year, have Toskala and Gerber split. Than get rid of them both, bring in a veteran goalie like Roloson for two years so Pogge can play back up than let Pogge play front when Roloson retires.
Crosby is not the Lord & Savior of the NHL, get over yourself McGuire.
Gretzky has never once high-sticked a member of the Toronto Maple Leafs. |
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Guest4037
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Posted - 04/19/2009 : 09:02:28
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| Trade Gerber and Kaberle for a starter. |
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Alex
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 04/19/2009 : 09:13:48
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Trading away Toskala doesn't make sense, they won't get anyone much better than him. He can probably be a number one goalie in his career. Chances are unless they manage to get a Luongo, Brodeur, etc., any goalie they bring in would have a rough time playing the same in Toronto. I bet even Lundqvist would see his stock depreciate in Toronto. Mason, Ward, Backstrom and Price definitely would. But this is all hypothetical, because they aren't getting any of those guys.
If they can get Toskala to play well and get that Swedish guy Burke keeps hyping up then I think goaltending would be pretty decent. What they need is for Ron Wilson to do what he was hired to do, namely, getting the team to buy into defensive hockey. They've got as good a top four as almost anybody in Kubina, Kaberle, Schenn and Van Ryn. Not to mention guys like Stralman, Finger and White. They just need to focus on playing a two-dimensional game.
In my opinion, Ron Wilson had one job this year, and that was to get this team thinking defense. He failed miserably. I don't see why everyone is praising him left right and center for it. |
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funny face
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 06/01/2009 : 12:14:43
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| Toronto Maple Leafs have super goaltenning just that they dont have very good defence...thats why they hardly make the playoffs |
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Matt_Roberts85
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 06/01/2009 : 12:40:44
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you fail at life
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
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Rambo2305
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Canada
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Posted - 06/02/2009 : 05:29:47
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Ok, in 07-08, Toskala was great for us, last year he played with pretty much every lower body injury imaginable. When healthy, he can get 35+ wins easily...
Not to mention, when you face 40+ shots on a nightly basis, might give one up every now an then...
"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford |
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Posted - 06/02/2009 : 06:05:08
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I don't mind Toskala at all. I understood that he played injured for more than half the season, which makes his play outstanding on a very young and inexperienced defence that is learning the ropes.
Learning takes time, and patience, and of course most fans in Toronto don't have that . . . or maybe it's because the posters here who don't have patience are at the age where 6months or a year is a long time.
Toskala, if healthy, will be the starter, and will be very solid. Pogge and Gerber will share the back-up role, until Pogge has used up all his chances and we never see him again (my prediction). Gerber is a solid back-up.
Despite all the rhetoric otherwise, goaltending is not Toronto's problem.
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 06/02/2009 : 07:54:38
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Ok, come on guys.
First - Young defence? Kaberle, Kubina, Van Ryn, Finger. Not that young really. Ian White is a 3 year vet now. They should have been better.
Second - Goaltending is ABSOLUTLEY a big problem in Toronto right now. There is no guarantee that Toskala can regain the form he had prior to surgery and even then, he was prone to a soft goal every other game. Toskala is "ok" at best. Gerber is disgustingly inconsistant and I shudder to think of him being anything close to a full time goalie. Justin Pogge still has to show he can get through a full game without being thoroughly embarassed.
If im brian burke, I try to sign Giguere otherwise you just pray that Toskala can carry the load this time 'round.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
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Beans15
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Posted - 06/02/2009 : 09:05:25
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Originally posted by slozo
I don't mind Toskala at all. I understood that he played injured for more than half the season, which makes his play outstanding on a very young and inexperienced defence that is learning the ropes.
Learning takes time, and patience, and of course most fans in Toronto don't have that . . . or maybe it's because the posters here who don't have patience are at the age where 6months or a year is a long time.
Toskala, if healthy, will be the starter, and will be very solid. Pogge and Gerber will share the back-up role, until Pogge has used up all his chances and we never see him again (my prediction). Gerber is a solid back-up.
Despite all the rhetoric otherwise, goaltending is not Toronto's problem.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
Wow, is it a full moon tonight? I agree with every word Slozo said!
One thing that is interesting with TO. They have Kolzig, Joseph, Gerber, Pogge, and Toskala all signed.............until July 1.
After that, they have only Toskala signed. Gerber, Joseph, and Kolzig are all UFA's and I would expect them all to be gone/retire. Actually, I would suspect Gerber will sign in Russia or somewhere else in Europe. Pogge will be re-signed and spend at least 1 more season(or the better part of it) on the farm. I think Mr. Burke might shop for a cheap, 1 or 2 year contract back up like a Garon.
But without a doubt, a healthy Toskala is the starter in TO in October. |
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