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fat_elvis_rocked
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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 Posted - 02/13/2009 : 13:29:03
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I'm just wondering and looking for discussion about why, of all the different types of players, builders and administrators that the game recognizes with the HHOF, do they ignore the 'mechanics' of the game, the blue collar types, who although statistically challenged, are every bit as important to the success of not only a team, but to the game itself.
I'm not suggesting these types of players have a spot in the HHOF, but maybe if the Hall has a garage out back....
initial nominees could be;
John Ferguson
Terry O'Reilly
Dave Schultz
Dave Semenko
Tiger Williams
these were key components to the way game has evolved and the foretfathers to the designated role of enforcer that exists today, it's a shame that they don't get some of the glory.
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 02/13/2009 : 13:37:59
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Nice topic!!!
I would throw in names like Dave Brown and Dave Probert in the "evolving the enforcer" catagory. Those were two of the best ever.
You would also have to think of the uber-pests like Tikkanen and Linesman.
I am sure there are a ton of others, but I am supposed to be working and can't think of others off the top of my head.
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willus3
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 02/13/2009 : 16:59:04
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Are you suggesting the players responsible for what the enforcer role is and how it has evolved into what it is today should be honoured?
"Society, have mercy on me. Hope you're not angry if I disagree." - Jerry Hannan |
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fat_elvis_rocked
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 02/13/2009 : 21:05:52
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Originally posted by willus3
Are you suggesting the players responsible for what the enforcer role is and how it has evolved into what it is today should be honoured?
"Society, have mercy on me. Hope you're not angry if I disagree." - Jerry Hannan
In sense, yes. Not to the degree of evolution that it is today, but for the beginnings of said evolution. The players I would consider, would have to play fairly integral, active roles on their teams and not be the 4 minute per game knuckleheads that constitutes a tough guy in today's game. That evolution has done a disservice to these players. Ferguson, Schultz, O'reilly and Semenko especially, all played regular minutes, and it is undeniable that they directly contributed to their team's success, providing a role that when needed, often went unsung.
In my humble opinion, yes, they should be somewhat honored as they helped pave the way, or at least clear some of the road, for some of the stars to be able to reach the lofty heights they were able to.
The evolution I give them credit for led to the Proberts and Domis, players who were toughest of the tough, but played regular shifts.
Since then, yeah, not so much. It is dismaying and look at the stats of a Boogaard or Peters and see:
190 games played, 2 goals, 10 points
198 games played, 4 goals, 7 points
end of evolution I guess. |
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runtman444
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 02/13/2009 : 21:19:40
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| greta topic these great players should be honored for the work they did to better their teams . a couple of other players that should be mentioned are the leafs tie domi and darren mccarty of detriot, regular minutes guys who made a difference to the games they played in. CANUCKS RULE |
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hanley6
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 02/14/2009 : 18:43:46
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| Tie Domi and Bob Probert, Wendel Clark, Marty McSorely, Dave Brown, Gary Roberts, Brad Marsh |
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fat_elvis_rocked
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
902 Posts |
Posted - 02/14/2009 : 21:35:47
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Originally posted by hanley6
Tie Domi and Bob Probert, Wendel Clark, Marty McSorely, Dave Brown, Gary Roberts, Brad Marsh
Very nice choices.....except Brad Marsh???
I'm a fair bit older than yourself, whether or not that has any bearing, but, I never did understand how he made over 1000 games. There's stay at home defencemen, and then there's guys who just aren't fast enough to get out their own end when the play shifts.
Marsh's idea of transition was hoping the players bench was on his side of center for on the fly changes.
He was one of the last guys to go helmetless, but that's only because any more wind resistance, and he would have made Jason Allison on a shoot out breakaway, look like Pavel Bure!
He was the NHL's answer to a Jabroni...
I realized I use the word 'mechanic', but I was referring to the technicians, not the oil change guys... |
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hanley6
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 02/15/2009 : 01:38:56
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quote:
Originally posted by fat_elvis_rocked
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Originally posted by hanley6
Tie Domi and Bob Probert, Wendel Clark, Marty McSorely, Dave Brown, Gary Roberts, Brad Marsh
Very nice choices.....except Brad Marsh???
I'm a fair bit older than yourself, whether or not that has any bearing, but, I never did understand how he made over 1000 games. There's stay at home defencemen, and then there's guys who just aren't fast enough to get out their own end when the play shifts.
Marsh's idea of transition was hoping the players bench was on his side of center for on the fly changes.
He was one of the last guys to go helmetless, but that's only because any more wind resistance, and he would have made Jason Allison on a shoot out breakaway, look like Pavel Bure!
He was the NHL's answer to a Jabroni...
I realized I use the word 'mechanic', but I was referring to the technicians, not the oil change guys...
Marsh was a solid brick house at that time back then he was like todays Chara, noone messed with the guy... In Junior hockey (London Knights) Marsh had to stick up for Dino Ciccarrelli daily, He had to fight everyone away from him. In the NHL he wasn't known much for his offensive play at all really... In his time he was one of the best defensive defenceman any team could have, he had no problems clearing the opposing forwards away from the net, lots of hockey smarts everyone wanted him. He didn't go around looking for fights but you try something with one of his teammates and he'd take you. He could fight with the best of them |
Edited by - hanley6 on 02/15/2009 01:48:17 |
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