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Rambo2305
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 Posted - 07/02/2009 : 05:22:51
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Line 1: Jason Blake - Mikhail Grabovski - Alexie Ponikarovsky
Line 2: Jiri Tlusty - Matt Stajan - Niklas Hagman
Line 3: Jeremy Williams - Darryl Boyce - Nazam Kadri
Line 4: Colton Orr - Jamal Mayers - Nikolai Kulemin
D1: Mike Komisarek - Tomas Kaberle
D2: Ian White - Mike Van Ryn
D3: Luke Schenn - Garnett Exelby
Starter: Toskala
Backup: Gustavsson
Scratches:
John Mitchell
Jeff Hamilton
Robbie Earl
"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 07/02/2009 : 05:27:37
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So...yea, our new game plan...
Orr - "Knock them out, they can't score on us if they can't skate :)"
Ron Wilson - "Wait, we have to score a goal too???"
Toskala - "Will I actually have defenders this year? :S"
Ahh...my beloved Leafs, can't wait to go to the ACC in October, $12 for a beer, $9 for a sub...and watch us knock some people out :D
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Posted - 07/03/2009 : 00:01:23
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Darryl Boyce and Nazem Kadri won't make the team. And We don't have Earl anymore traded him a while ago.
L1: Poni-Grabo-Kulemin
L2: Hagman-Bozak-Tlusty
L3: Blake-Mitchel-Hanson
L4: Mayers-Stajan-Stempniak
D1: Kaberle-Schenn
D2: Komisarek-White
D3: Exelby-Van Ryn
G1: Toskala-Gustavsson(if he signs here)
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 07/03/2009 : 05:29:16
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I'm one of the strong believers that rookies/young players should develop a bit, but the Leafs are still doing some serious patch work up front lol
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Posted - 07/03/2009 : 07:11:21
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My lineup would be this
Blake, Stajan, Stempniak
Ponikarovsky, Grabovski, Tlusty
Hagman, Mitchell, Kulemin
Orr, Hanson, Mayers
Spare fwd : Williams, Stuart and Hollweg
Kaberle, Schenn
Komisarek, Exelby
Finger, White
Spare D : Van Ryn, Frogren, Stralman, Oreskovic
Toskala, (whoever they sign)
Spare Goalie : Pogge
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Beans15
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Posted - 07/03/2009 : 09:05:19
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I mean this with all due respect to those die hard Leafs fans.
You better hope Burke can find a move to get a scorer. Kessel is the rumor right now, but someone has to go there. There is nothing remotely close to a game changing offensive player on that roster. Yes, there will be punishment doled out at the ACC this season, but that doesn't put pucks in the net. They are still a few pieces from competative and a few more pieces from legitimate.
However, I do agree that Toskala will actually get a little help on the back end this year. As long as Schenn doesn't have a sophmore slump. At least they have players willing to take the body in front of the net.
I think it will be an exciting year for the fans in TO. Physical to say the least and it has been a few years since they've had a team to bounce the other guys around. But, I would suggest there will be many a Saturday night where the fans are leaving the ACC saying, "Great game, fun to watch, too bad we lost." Sorry folks, there just isn't enough talent up front to score with the likes of Boston, Washington, Pitt, and looking like NY is getting better as well. |
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hockster
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Posted - 07/03/2009 : 10:08:30
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Originally posted by Beans15
I mean this with all due respect to those die hard Leafs fans.
You better hope Burke can find a move to get a scorer. Kessel is the rumor right now, but someone has to go there. There is nothing remotely close to a game changing offensive player on that roster. Yes, there will be punishment doled out at the ACC this season, but that doesn't put pucks in the net. They are still a few pieces from competative and a few more pieces from legitimate.
However, I do agree that Toskala will actually get a little help on the back end this year. As long as Schenn doesn't have a sophmore slump. At least they have players willing to take the body in front of the net.
I think it will be an exciting year for the fans in TO. Physical to say the least and it has been a few years since they've had a team to bounce the other guys around. But, I would suggest there will be many a Saturday night where the fans are leaving the ACC saying, "Great game, fun to watch, too bad we lost." Sorry folks, there just isn't enough talent up front to score with the likes of Boston, Washington, Pitt, and looking like NY is getting better as well.
You gotta rememeber with the New York factor, other then Jagr, guys seem to burn up their. Watch Gaborik score 65 points if he stays healthy. I just cant see NYR succeeding with the team they got and I think once again their division will be top notch, I cant see them beating Philadelphia, Pitt, or even Devils.
Iginla for 2010 team captain.
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 07/03/2009 : 10:10:39
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Originally posted by Beans15
I mean this with all due respect to those die hard Leafs fans.
You better hope Burke can find a move to get a scorer. Kessel is the rumor right now, but someone has to go there. There is nothing remotely close to a game changing offensive player on that roster. Yes, there will be punishment doled out at the ACC this season, but that doesn't put pucks in the net. They are still a few pieces from competative and a few more pieces from legitimate.
However, I do agree that Toskala will actually get a little help on the back end this year. As long as Schenn doesn't have a sophmore slump. At least they have players willing to take the body in front of the net.
I think it will be an exciting year for the fans in TO. Physical to say the least and it has been a few years since they've had a team to bounce the other guys around. But, I would suggest there will be many a Saturday night where the fans are leaving the ACC saying, "Great game, fun to watch, too bad we lost." Sorry folks, there just isn't enough talent up front to score with the likes of Boston, Washington, Pitt, and looking like NY is getting better as well.
I agree Beans. The Leafs have no true scorer on the team. When Blake and Ponikarovsky are your leading scorers? There's something wrong lol
Like I've mentioned earlier...the Leafs game outlook in 2009...
Orr - "If we knock em out, they can't score!"
Ron Wilson - "Wait, we have to score goals to win?"
Toskala - "I don't even care, I actually have some defenders to play behind! :D"
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Posted - 07/03/2009 : 10:17:42
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Originally posted by Beans15
I mean this with all due respect to those die hard Leafs fans.
You better hope Burke can find a move to get a scorer. Kessel is the rumor right now, but someone has to go there. There is nothing remotely close to a game changing offensive player on that roster. Yes, there will be punishment doled out at the ACC this season, but that doesn't put pucks in the net. They are still a few pieces from competative and a few more pieces from legitimate.
However, I do agree that Toskala will actually get a little help on the back end this year. As long as Schenn doesn't have a sophmore slump. At least they have players willing to take the body in front of the net.
I think it will be an exciting year for the fans in TO. Physical to say the least and it has been a few years since they've had a team to bounce the other guys around. But, I would suggest there will be many a Saturday night where the fans are leaving the ACC saying, "Great game, fun to watch, too bad we lost." Sorry folks, there just isn't enough talent up front to score with the likes of Boston, Washington, Pitt, and looking like NY is getting better as well.
As a Leaf fan I totally agree with you. There's not enough balance on their lineup. They just have big defenseman and second or third line forwards and a couple of fighters. They need like two first liners to compete for a playoff spot.
A playoff spot is not out of the question because you never know but on paper they don't have the team to do it.
But they are rebuilding and forming a good foundation out there. This is the best direction I've seen the Leafs take in a long time.
If they could trade for Kessel and sign Tanguay or something that would be great. And they need to sign a solid backup goalie and I guess they're waiting on Gustavsson before doing anything on that department. |
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hockster
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Posted - 07/03/2009 : 10:18:42
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Line 1: Jason Blake - Mikhail Grabovski - Alexie Ponikarovsky
Line 2: Jiri Tlusty - Matt Stajan - Niklas Hagman
Line 3: Jeremy Williams - John Mitchell - Lee Stempniak
Line 4: Colton Orr - Jamal Mayers - Nikolai Kulemin
D1: Mike Komisarek - Luke Schenn
D2: Garnett Exelby - Tomas Kaberle
D3: Ian White - Mike Van Ryn
Starter: Toskala
Backup: Gustavsson
Extras: Stapleton, Earl, Finger
They Need Scoring!
Iginla for 2010 team captain.
Flames for cup...eventually. |
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Axey
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Posted - 07/03/2009 : 10:24:37
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Originally posted by hockster
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Originally posted by Beans15
I mean this with all due respect to those die hard Leafs fans.
You better hope Burke can find a move to get a scorer. Kessel is the rumor right now, but someone has to go there. There is nothing remotely close to a game changing offensive player on that roster. Yes, there will be punishment doled out at the ACC this season, but that doesn't put pucks in the net. They are still a few pieces from competative and a few more pieces from legitimate.
However, I do agree that Toskala will actually get a little help on the back end this year. As long as Schenn doesn't have a sophmore slump. At least they have players willing to take the body in front of the net.
I think it will be an exciting year for the fans in TO. Physical to say the least and it has been a few years since they've had a team to bounce the other guys around. But, I would suggest there will be many a Saturday night where the fans are leaving the ACC saying, "Great game, fun to watch, too bad we lost." Sorry folks, there just isn't enough talent up front to score with the likes of Boston, Washington, Pitt, and looking like NY is getting better as well.
You gotta rememeber with the New York factor, other then Jagr, guys seem to burn up their. Watch Gaborik score 65 points if he stays healthy. I just cant see NYR succeeding with the team they got and I think once again their division will be top notch, I cant see them beating Philadelphia, Pitt, or even Devils.
Iginla for 2010 team captain.
Flames for cup...eventually.
Gaborik only needs 40 games to score 65 points. I honestly think he could score 65 pts in 82 games by himself and no linemates. Yes, I definitely jynxed him now and will look like an idiot come April.
I think Gaborik is right up there with the likes of Crosby, Ovie and Malkin. Last year pending streaks and droughts, if you replicated his few games and points scored last year into 82 games, he wins the scoring title and the Maurice. Also, remember that in Minnesota he was playing with a defensive team, now he gets to unload offensively. |
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hockster
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Posted - 07/03/2009 : 10:34:32
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Originally posted by Axey
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Originally posted by hockster
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Originally posted by Beans15
I mean this with all due respect to those die hard Leafs fans.
You better hope Burke can find a move to get a scorer. Kessel is the rumor right now, but someone has to go there. There is nothing remotely close to a game changing offensive player on that roster. Yes, there will be punishment doled out at the ACC this season, but that doesn't put pucks in the net. They are still a few pieces from competative and a few more pieces from legitimate.
However, I do agree that Toskala will actually get a little help on the back end this year. As long as Schenn doesn't have a sophmore slump. At least they have players willing to take the body in front of the net.
I think it will be an exciting year for the fans in TO. Physical to say the least and it has been a few years since they've had a team to bounce the other guys around. But, I would suggest there will be many a Saturday night where the fans are leaving the ACC saying, "Great game, fun to watch, too bad we lost." Sorry folks, there just isn't enough talent up front to score with the likes of Boston, Washington, Pitt, and looking like NY is getting better as well.
You gotta rememeber with the New York factor, other then Jagr, guys seem to burn up their. Watch Gaborik score 65 points if he stays healthy. I just cant see NYR succeeding with the team they got and I think once again their division will be top notch, I cant see them beating Philadelphia, Pitt, or even Devils.
Iginla for 2010 team captain.
Flames for cup...eventually.
Gaborik only needs 40 games to score 65 points. I honestly think he could score 65 pts in 82 games by himself and no linemates. Yes, I definitely jynxed him now and will look like an idiot come April.
I think Gaborik is right up there with the likes of Crosby, Ovie and Malkin. Last year pending streaks and droughts, if you replicated his few games and points scored last year into 82 games, he wins the scoring title and the Maurice. Also, remember that in Minnesota he was playing with a defensive team, now he gets to unload offensively.
Unload Offensively?
They will be playing defensively. Look for Tortorella to have them play more defensively. Him and Drury are the only guys that can score, and Drury is on the major decline. Gaborik will not light it up this year. Only way he scores more then a ppg is if he gets injured. We have no clue if this guy has even got gas at the end of the season, has he ever played 50+ games in a season?
Iginla for 2010 team captain.
Flames for cup...eventually. |
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 07/03/2009 : 11:37:48
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Gaborik will score 57 Points in 41 games this year, then he'll be out with a knee injury courtesy of Danny Carcillo! lol...not joking...
back on topic, the Leafs need to figure out the offensive game! Defensively, we're ok, but damn, we need a scorer! haha
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Axey
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Posted - 07/03/2009 : 11:38:08
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Originally posted by hockster
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Originally posted by Axey
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Originally posted by hockster
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Originally posted by Beans15
I mean this with all due respect to those die hard Leafs fans.
You better hope Burke can find a move to get a scorer. Kessel is the rumor right now, but someone has to go there. There is nothing remotely close to a game changing offensive player on that roster. Yes, there will be punishment doled out at the ACC this season, but that doesn't put pucks in the net. They are still a few pieces from competative and a few more pieces from legitimate.
However, I do agree that Toskala will actually get a little help on the back end this year. As long as Schenn doesn't have a sophmore slump. At least they have players willing to take the body in front of the net.
I think it will be an exciting year for the fans in TO. Physical to say the least and it has been a few years since they've had a team to bounce the other guys around. But, I would suggest there will be many a Saturday night where the fans are leaving the ACC saying, "Great game, fun to watch, too bad we lost." Sorry folks, there just isn't enough talent up front to score with the likes of Boston, Washington, Pitt, and looking like NY is getting better as well.
You gotta rememeber with the New York factor, other then Jagr, guys seem to burn up their. Watch Gaborik score 65 points if he stays healthy. I just cant see NYR succeeding with the team they got and I think once again their division will be top notch, I cant see them beating Philadelphia, Pitt, or even Devils.
Iginla for 2010 team captain.
Flames for cup...eventually.
Gaborik only needs 40 games to score 65 points. I honestly think he could score 65 pts in 82 games by himself and no linemates. Yes, I definitely jynxed him now and will look like an idiot come April.
I think Gaborik is right up there with the likes of Crosby, Ovie and Malkin. Last year pending streaks and droughts, if you replicated his few games and points scored last year into 82 games, he wins the scoring title and the Maurice. Also, remember that in Minnesota he was playing with a defensive team, now he gets to unload offensively.
Unload Offensively?
They will be playing defensively. Look for Tortorella to have them play more defensively. Him and Drury are the only guys that can score, and Drury is on the major decline. Gaborik will not light it up this year. Only way he scores more then a ppg is if he gets injured. We have no clue if this guy has even got gas at the end of the season, has he ever played 50+ games in a season?
Iginla for 2010 team captain.
Flames for cup...eventually.
Yes he has, go look it up. The year before last he had a healthy year playing 77 games. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 07/03/2009 : 12:10:08
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I don't think anyone realized just how good Gaborik can be. He reminds me a lot of Forsberg in regards to his ability to completely dominate a game. He has the highest PPG total for the past 2 or 3 years(I can't remember off hand) and last season he was 1.35 PPG. That 111 points on the most defensive minded team in the league. A
And NY is not even close to being defensive minded. Torts is known as a coach who lets his players be as creative as they want as long as it's not a hinderence to the team. He's also known to ride his horses hard (remember St. Louis and Lecavalier on every 2nd shift when he was in TB).
IF, and it's a big if, Gaborik is healthy for 75 games or more, he is easily top 5 in the league in scoring. |
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 07/03/2009 : 12:23:45
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Originally posted by Beans15
I don't think anyone realized just how good Gaborik can be. He reminds me a lot of Forsberg in regards to his ability to completely dominate a game. He has the highest PPG total for the past 2 or 3 years(I can't remember off hand) and last season he was 1.35 PPG. That 111 points on the most defensive minded team in the league. A
And NY is not even close to being defensive minded. Torts is known as a coach who lets his players be as creative as they want as long as it's not a hinderence to the team. He's also known to ride his horses hard (remember St. Louis and Lecavalier on every 2nd shift when he was in TB).
IF, and it's a big if, Gaborik is healthy for 75 games or more, he is easily top 5 in the league in scoring.
100% bang on, Gaborik, when healthy, can easily put in 110-120 points, let alone 100. Give him some other skilled players and a good trainer, Gabby's a steal for the Rangers. However, doubt he'll be able to stay off the IR this year...
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hockster
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Posted - 07/03/2009 : 13:16:21
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Lets get back on the topic of the Leafs...
I kinda got burnt on the Gaborik topic but one last thing, NYR have one player that can copmpliment him and hes a huge gamble, hes always hurt.
And I was moe being sarcastic but thats the only year he played any major amounts of games in the last few years, and it solidifies that he wont get 100 points, two years ago he only scored 83 with pretty much a full season, do you really improve into a 100 point player after being hurt for the next year?
Iginla for 2010 team captain.
Flames for cup...eventually. |
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Guest9262
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Posted - 07/04/2009 : 05:54:29
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Gaborik is not that good. I don't agree with people who compares him to the likes of Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin, Forsberg, or put him on the superstar list with Iginla, Getzlaf, Lecavalier.
Yes he's a first liner. But this guy is injured most of the time. Two years ago he had a full season of 77 games and he put up 83 points. That's pretty far from 110 like some of you are saying.
The points per game doesn't mean much when you only play 20 games or so like last year where he played 17 games. You have to be consistent for over 70 games to have 110 points. If Iginla hits a hot streak at the beginning of the season and score 8 and 8 assists in the first 10 games. Does that mean he will finish the season with 60 goals and 120 points????? So even though Gaborik had 23 points in 17 games that does not mean he would have scored over 100 points.
Gaborik is good but he can't be considered in the top 10 players, not with the career he's having. He still has a lot to prove to be considered among that list of players. |
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hanley6
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Posted - 07/04/2009 : 15:29:07
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The Leafs still have a very strong offensive 4 lines all 4 lines contribute offensively, don't need a top high priced point getter when all 4 lines contribute in scoring... (ONE of the top teams in goals for last year)
Burke added the defensive skills to Toronto on July 1st. So I believe Toronto will be a much better team this coming year.
The only hole that needs to be fixed on Toronto is they don't have a number 1 goalie yet... I'd love to see Toronto sign either Biron or Gerber and Gustavsson, Buy off Toskala's contract and let another team suffer with him... Then The Leafs will have a good shot in the Playoffs
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hanley6
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Posted - 07/04/2009 : 16:01:55
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Originally posted by hockster
Lets get back on the topic of the Leafs...
I kinda got burnt on the Gaborik topic but one last thing, NYR have one player that can copmpliment him and hes a huge gamble, hes always hurt.
And I was moe being sarcastic but thats the only year he played any major amounts of games in the last few years, and it solidifies that he wont get 100 points, two years ago he only scored 83 with pretty much a full season, do you really improve into a 100 point player after being hurt for the next year?
Iginla for 2010 team captain.
Flames for cup...eventually.
he also had no one to play with
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Posted - 07/05/2009 : 14:27:22
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| Hanley, I'm pretty sure now that you write on these boards just to get people going... The leafs are going to get another top 10 pick next year, period. This coming from a leaf fan. |
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hanley6
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Posted - 07/05/2009 : 14:38:18
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only if Burke trades for one
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 07/06/2009 : 07:15:39
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People don't realize, the Leafs have depth and balance. No, we don't have a top 5 scorer, but we do have 4 lines of solid blue collar players that will contribute little by little.
Would you rather have two 100 point scorers and a bunch of 10 point scorers, or a balance of 40-60 point scorers on each line?
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Beans15
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Posted - 07/06/2009 : 07:47:28
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Originally posted by Rambo2305
People don't realize, the Leafs have depth and balance. No, we don't have a top 5 scorer, but we do have 4 lines of solid blue collar players that will contribute little by little.
Would you rather have two 100 point scorers and a bunch of 10 point scorers, or a balance of 40-60 point scorers on each line?
"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford
Edmonton has had 4 lines of Blue Collar players that were supposed to contribute little by little. You'll see. By Christmas, you will be begging for a scorer.
And the Leafs don't have depth. They have a 1st line that comparable to most 2nd lines and some 3rd lines and it goes from there. The defense is slowly improving and there is a solid keeper. On the back end and physically the Leafs compete. Up front, not even close. The only way the Leafs do well offensively is by banging the other team into taking penalties.
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 07/06/2009 : 07:56:17
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Over the last couple years, the Leafs have been solid 5 on 5, but seem to run around with the puck on the PP and fail to shoot lol
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brentrock2
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Posted - 07/06/2009 : 09:03:56
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Originally posted by Rambo2305
Over the last couple years, the Leafs have been solid 5 on 5, but seem to run around with the puck on the PP and fail to shoot lol
"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford
Thats true, sometimes I watch Toronto play even tho I'm a Habs fan when Toronto are on the PP they just pass and pass they usually never shoots maybe only 1 shot 2 the most.They need to shoot more often on the PP.
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 07/06/2009 : 09:30:51
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Yea, they pass it around the perimeter trying to setup the "perfect shot". Only problem is, by time they get the shot off, the goalies had time to square up, and the defenders are in the shooting lane ready to block it. Love my Leafs, but a Junior A team can defend their PP.
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 07/06/2009 : 10:50:46
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Originally posted by Beans15
I mean this with all due respect to those die hard Leafs fans.
You better hope Burke can find a move to get a scorer. Kessel is the rumor right now, but someone has to go there. There is nothing remotely close to a game changing offensive player on that roster. Yes, there will be punishment doled out at the ACC this season, but that doesn't put pucks in the net. They are still a few pieces from competative and a few more pieces from legitimate.
However, I do agree that Toskala will actually get a little help on the back end this year. As long as Schenn doesn't have a sophmore slump. At least they have players willing to take the body in front of the net.
I think it will be an exciting year for the fans in TO. Physical to say the least and it has been a few years since they've had a team to bounce the other guys around. But, I would suggest there will be many a Saturday night where the fans are leaving the ACC saying, "Great game, fun to watch, too bad we lost." Sorry folks, there just isn't enough talent up front to score with the likes of Boston, Washington, Pitt, and looking like NY is getting better as well.
The Leafs had 244 goals, good for 10th overall in the NHL. Uhm... the problem was keeping the puck out of the net. Now that they have an improved defence, a healthy Toskala, and another year in Ron Wilsons system they should be pretty good, no?
Just cause the leafs dont have any sexy name brand forwards doesnt mean they cant score. Grabo, Hagman, blake, Poni - thos guys are good for 20-25 each. Hopefulyl Bozak can add some punch (key word: hopefully). Kubina and Antropov being gone slices off a few goals for, but should aslo slice off a few goals against lol.
Of course they still need some firepower, but 10 out of 30 in goals last year is pretty good..
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 07/06/2009 : 11:27:12
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Originally posted by Matt_Roberts85
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Originally posted by Beans15
I mean this with all due respect to those die hard Leafs fans.
You better hope Burke can find a move to get a scorer. Kessel is the rumor right now, but someone has to go there. There is nothing remotely close to a game changing offensive player on that roster. Yes, there will be punishment doled out at the ACC this season, but that doesn't put pucks in the net. They are still a few pieces from competative and a few more pieces from legitimate.
However, I do agree that Toskala will actually get a little help on the back end this year. As long as Schenn doesn't have a sophmore slump. At least they have players willing to take the body in front of the net.
I think it will be an exciting year for the fans in TO. Physical to say the least and it has been a few years since they've had a team to bounce the other guys around. But, I would suggest there will be many a Saturday night where the fans are leaving the ACC saying, "Great game, fun to watch, too bad we lost." Sorry folks, there just isn't enough talent up front to score with the likes of Boston, Washington, Pitt, and looking like NY is getting better as well.
The Leafs had 244 goals, good for 10th overall in the NHL. Uhm... the problem was keeping the puck out of the net. Now that they have an improved defence, a healthy Toskala, and another year in Ron Wilsons system they should be pretty good, no?
Just cause the leafs dont have any sexy name brand forwards doesnt mean they cant score. Grabo, Hagman, blake, Poni - thos guys are good for 20-25 each. Hopefulyl Bozak can add some punch (key word: hopefully). Kubina and Antropov being gone slices off a few goals for, but should aslo slice off a few goals against lol.
Of course they still need some firepower, but 10 out of 30 in goals last year is pretty good..
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
Bozak? Who is that?? lol
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 07/06/2009 : 12:18:18
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The most sought after college FA this year...who signed with the Leafs... duh.....or did I detect some sort of strange sarcasm..?
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Beans15
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Posted - 07/06/2009 : 13:25:31
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Well, adding Beauchemin today is a great addition to the Leafs. Considering the minutes he swallowed in Anaheim even with Pronger and Neidermayer there.
The Leafs Defense has very quickly turned around. Still a concern with scoring. |
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 07/07/2009 : 05:44:20
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quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
Well, adding Beauchemin today is a great addition to the Leafs. Considering the minutes he swallowed in Anaheim even with Pronger and Neidermayer there.
The Leafs Defense has very quickly turned around. Still a concern with scoring.
10th in league scoring last year. Now that we have toughness and size to protect our smaller scorers like Blake and Grabovski, look for their production to go up. Also, if this deal for Kessel is pulled off, this will be a solid team. Even without Kaberle on the back end, they have enough depth at D to step it up.
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 07/07/2009 : 05:45:31
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Originally posted by Matt_Roberts85
The most sought after college FA this year...who signed with the Leafs... duh.....or did I detect some sort of strange sarcasm..?
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
No sarcasm...I forgot about that deal lol...remember now, ok, expecting big things now :) haha
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 07/07/2009 : 06:01:58
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Kaberle - Komisarek
Schenn - Beauchemin
White - Exelby
Van Ryn - Finger
Frogren - Stralman
I wonder who gets traded....
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 07/07/2009 : 06:16:03
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Originally posted by Matt_Roberts85
Kaberle - Komisarek
Schenn - Beauchemin
White - Exelby
Van Ryn - Finger
Frogren - Stralman
I wonder who gets traded....
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
Kaberle for Kessel
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 07/07/2009 : 08:08:01
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Line 1: Blake - Grabovski - Ponikarovsky
Line 2: Tlusty - Bozak - Wallin
Line 3: Kulemin - Stajan - Hagman
Line 4: Orr - Mayers - Stempniak
D1: Komisarek - Kaberle
D2: Beauchemin - Van Ryn
D3: Schenn - White
Starter: Toskala
Backup: Gustavsson
Scratches:
Ben Ondrus
Garnett Exelby
Robbie Earl
Now that Gustavsson is official, this is actually a respectable lineup. Can still net 3 or 4 goals a night, but only give up 1 or 2 with our D and netminders.
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Alex
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Posted - 07/07/2009 : 08:16:02
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I think what people are forgetting is that sound team defense is not just a function of the defense and the goalies. Many, many goals are scored because of a defensive blunder by the forwards. You need a strong backcheck, a solid breakout, sound positional play in your own end (which means covering the points if you are a winger and helping out down low as a centre), and keep giveaways low if you want to be strong defensively.
There is no question that the Leafs have a strong back-end, but whether or not that translates into less goals against will depend on how the forwards take their defensive responsibilities. That task clearly will fall on the shoulders of Ron Wilson, which is what he was brought in to do.
Last year, despite Ron Wilson being brought in to preach team defense, the team was near or at (don't remember exactly) the highest goals against tally in the league. With the team he has now, I think this will be a defining year for Ron Wilson. If they can't manage to be in the top half of the league in team defense, I'm not sure Leaf Land will be able to keep painting him as the ''genius who is managing to mediocre results despite a sub-mediocre roster to work with.'' Ron Wilson either gets it done this year or he (should) be on a very short leash going forward. |
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 07/07/2009 : 08:45:31
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Originally posted by Alex
I think what people are forgetting is that sound team defense is not just a function of the defense and the goalies. Many, many goals are scored because of a defensive blunder by the forwards. You need a strong backcheck, a solid breakout, sound positional play in your own end (which means covering the points if you are a winger and helping out down low as a centre), and keep giveaways low if you want to be strong defensively.
There is no question that the Leafs have a strong back-end, but whether or not that translates into less goals against will depend on how the forwards take their defensive responsibilities. That task clearly will fall on the shoulders of Ron Wilson, which is what he was brought in to do.
Last year, despite Ron Wilson being brought in to preach team defense, the team was near or at (don't remember exactly) the highest goals against tally in the league. With the team he has now, I think this will be a defining year for Ron Wilson. If they can't manage to be in the top half of the league in team defense, I'm not sure Leaf Land will be able to keep painting him as the ''genius who is managing to mediocre results despite a sub-mediocre roster to work with.'' Ron Wilson either gets it done this year or he (should) be on a very short leash going forward.
Alex, the roster Wilson had to work with last year was a young set of call-ups that were constantly going up and down between the AHL and NHL. So they had to adjust to two sets of play from two different coaches.
This year, with Burke bringing in veterans and players that understand their roles, to play alongside the youngsters, look for this team to play Ron Wilson hockey. Also, last year, our entire team was intimidated night in, night out. With Orr, Exelby, Beauchemin and Komisarek patrolling the ice, look for our smaller forwards to play with more confidence and be more willing to go in the corners and battle hard.
As a result, the Leafs offensive game will strive under a successful Wilson system, even if we don't, 10th in goals for again is still pretty good. Especially considering our defensive game and our strongest attribute (since about a hour ago)...our goaltending.
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Alex
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Posted - 07/07/2009 : 09:00:51
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Come on Rambo. Tenth in goals for isn't hard when you don't need to worry about playing hard from dot to dot. When a forward unit has the added responsibility and expectation of keeping pucks out of their own net, it becomes much harder to score so many goals per game.
By the way, I'm not the first person to say this ''not hard to score when you don't care about defense'' argument. Someone else said it, possibly TSN, maybe on PickUpHockey or Fantasy Reports or whatever. But I didn't make it up, it came from somewhere credible. So think about it before you disagree |
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 07/07/2009 : 10:11:56
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Originally posted by Alex
Come on Rambo. Tenth in goals for isn't hard when you don't need to worry about playing hard from dot to dot. When a forward unit has the added responsibility and expectation of keeping pucks out of their own net, it becomes much harder to score so many goals per game.
By the way, I'm not the first person to say this ''not hard to score when you don't care about defense'' argument. Someone else said it, possibly TSN, maybe on PickUpHockey or Fantasy Reports or whatever. But I didn't make it up, it came from somewhere credible. So think about it before you disagree
There's a positive and negative that balance each other out in this situation.
Negative (-1):
Focusing more on defensive play will result in less offensive opportunities, yes.
Positive (+1):
With toughness, and more of an anti-intimidation factor for our forwards, they can go deep in the offensive zone and will have a little more time with the puck courtesy of our enforcers, something we haven't had since Wade Belak.
(-1) + 1 = 0...so no upside, no downside, either way, this Leafs team will be fun to watch next year, offensively and defensively.
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Posted - 07/16/2009 : 10:49:35
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F1 Blake - Grabovski - Hagman
F2 Tlusty - Stajan - Ponikarovsky
F3 Kulemin - Wallin - Williams
F4 Orr - Mitchell - Hanson
EXTRAS: Hamilton, Earl, Hollweg, Mayers
(Note: expect a 2nd line forward to be put on the top line, and probably Mitchell or Hanson to drop out).
D1a Kaberle - Komisarek
D1b Beauchemin - Schenn
D3 Van Ryn - Exelby
EXTRAS: White, Finger, Stralman, Frogren (I expect two of these guys to be dealt, I'm thinking White and Stralman. If White isn't dealt and Van Ryn is, he takes his place on D3).
G1 Toskala
G2 "Monster" Gustavsson
G3 Pogge
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