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 Posted - 07/04/2009 : 12:16:38
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Poll Question:
Rick Nash just inked an 8-year $62.5 million deal with the Columbus Blue Jackets. Is the captain worth this kind of money?
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brentrock2
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Posted - 07/04/2009 : 15:21:54
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This captain is very skilled but if we add it to 8 years he would get about $7.75 mil each year.
So I picked he is about over - paid and I think he should only get around 6.5 mil every year. 
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Beans15
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Posted - 07/05/2009 : 08:40:32
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Absolutely he's worth $7.75 million a season. I mean, the guy just turned 25. He hasn't hit his prime. 355 points, nearly 200 goals, and almost 450 games under his belt before the age of 25! How many other guys in the league can say that??? Very, very few. He already has a Richard Trophy. He's gotten better and increased his production every year he's been in the league.
Nash is one of the few forwards in the league that I would build a team around. He' huge (6'4", 237 lbs), mobile, a brilliant goal scorer, and has a passion to play.
In 5 years, with(if) a rebounded economy, how many superstars will be making more than that?? Columbus has one of the games best locked in through his prime for a fair contract today. |
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Pasty7
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Posted - 07/05/2009 : 10:05:45
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Originally posted by Beans15
Absolutely he's worth $7.75 million a season. I mean, the guy just turned 25. He hasn't hit his prime. 355 points, nearly 200 goals, and almost 450 games under his belt before the age of 25! How many other guys in the league can say that??? Very, very few. He already has a Richard Trophy. He's gotten better and increased his production every year he's been in the league.
Nash is one of the few forwards in the league that I would build a team around. He' huge (6'4", 237 lbs), mobile, a brilliant goal scorer, and has a passion to play.
In 5 years, with(if) a rebounded economy, how many superstars will be making more than that?? Columbus has one of the games best locked in through his prime for a fair contract today.
and over the last few season's he has shown more and more development in all three zones becoming one of the better complete players in the league,, and not very injury prone!
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Axey
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Posted - 07/05/2009 : 10:23:41
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| That is how much your gonna have to pay him to stay in Columbus Haha joking, but 100% worth the money. Heatley gets close to the same and is no where near the complete player that Nash is. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 07/05/2009 : 12:21:34
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Whoa, let's not get to crazy. Just because Heatley has been an a$$sclown as of late, he is another brilliant hockey player. Take away the off ice stuff, he's easily one of the top 5 goal scoring forwards in the NHL today.
He had an off year last year and netted 39 goals. Most guys career year is 39 goals. And he plays smart defensively and is physical as well.
Take nothing away from Nash, but Heatley is worth just as much on the ice. |
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 07/06/2009 : 07:21:01
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If Columbus can manage to find another gun to play with him, he'd notch 100+ points year in, year out
"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford |
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brentrock2
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Posted - 07/06/2009 : 07:36:27
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Originally posted by Rambo2305
If Columbus can manage to find another gun to play with him, he'd notch 100+ points year in, year out
"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford
Kristian Huselius is pretty young and a good player, he is only 30 and still has lots of strength left in him.But if they could get a superstar with Nash they would be excellent.
HABS RULE!!
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 07/06/2009 : 12:03:00
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I really really really had hopes that he would wave goodbye to columbus and come home, but I knew it would not work out that way in the end... GREAT signing for columbus. Worth every penny.
why rick why!? coulda had it all and more in TO. Ohio must be nice.
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PhillyFan12
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Posted - 07/08/2009 : 05:27:18
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I think Rick Nash is overpaid.That is alot of money like what brentrock2 said 7.75 million dollars each year for just a skill player. I dont see other Captains that get as much money as Nash each year.Overpaid.
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 07/08/2009 : 08:50:01
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Originally posted by PhillyFan12
I dont see other Captains that get as much money as Nash each year.Overpaid.
PhillyFan12
Philly Rules!!!
Just because a players a captain doesn't mean they all get paid the same. Alot of times, the captain is the player that shows the most leadership, not the most skilled. Your captain can only score you 10 points and make $800,000, but they're you're captain. On the other hand, the most skilled player will get you 100 points and make $7 Million and they don't even have an "A".
For example, Carolina's captain is Rod Brind'Amour. He's a solid 2 way player, but he's not the best on the team. Staal and Whitney are the top scores and only one of them has an "A", and Staal is the highest paid player.
Nash is worth $7.8 Million. He'll only get better and better. Again, if he can get some solid secondary scoring, he'll net 100 points with ease.
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Edited by - Rambo2305 on 07/08/2009 11:06:04 |
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Alex116
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Posted - 07/08/2009 : 11:16:17
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Anyone who voted "overpaid", lemme ask you this:
If your favorite team had managed to get him for the same dollar value, would you be happy and change your vote?
Hmmmm....i'd be guessing you'd all answer YES? |
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Posted - 07/09/2009 : 05:48:46
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I'll answer your question, Alex116: I would be happy, but I wouldn't change my vote.
If the Leafs had gotten Nash for this price, it would've been great as a fan . . . but it's still overpaying. I think this market is really overpaying a lot of elite scorers, frankly. Not as overpaid as a Gaborik or Cammalleri, but overpaid nonetheless.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
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Beans15
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Posted - 07/09/2009 : 08:27:02
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Here's the thing, overpaid today is not always overpaid over the term. Thinking of this contract, it's roughly $7.73 million/season. In 5-6 years, when the economy is expected to be recovered, is it that far fetched to think that the salary cap will be $65+ million with the superstars all getting $8-10 million a season??? If that's the case, and Nash throws in 40ish goals and 90ish points, is that not underpaid at that time???
I dunno, to keep these players long term, a team has to be competative is salaries. And although I think all athletes at the pro level are overpaid, if CBJ didn't pay the cash, someone else would have, or even more.
I like the contract. |
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 07/09/2009 : 08:49:20
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Originally posted by Beans15
Here's the thing, overpaid today is not always overpaid over the term. Thinking of this contract, it's roughly $7.73 million/season. In 5-6 years, when the economy is expected to be recovered, is it that far fetched to think that the salary cap will be $65+ million with the superstars all getting $8-10 million a season??? If that's the case, and Nash throws in 40ish goals and 90ish points, is that not underpaid at that time???
I dunno, to keep these players long term, a team has to be competative is salaries. And although I think all athletes at the pro level are overpaid, if CBJ didn't pay the cash, someone else would have, or even more.
I like the contract.
Good point Beans. Who's to say in 5 years we aren't paying a grinder or energy player 6 Million a year? Not saying we will, but $7.8 Million for Nash, if he stays healthy, in 2011 or 2012 will be a steal.
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Posted - 07/09/2009 : 08:58:58
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I don't see the US economy recovering anytime in the near future. I predict a few franchises folding, and contraction that is not by choice. If that's the case, the whole cap thing might have to be altered a bit.
I know it sounds very doom and gloom, and contrary to what you may be hearing from Bettman . . . but you all know how much stock we can put into liars like him.
Beans, you said yourself once that basically every professional hockey player is overpaid. Doesn't Nash count as one too?
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Guest5052
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Posted - 07/09/2009 : 09:23:46
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I'd say overpaid, but probably Columbus needed to pay that much. They need a star player.
Bad point Beans with respect to your 'what if' scenarios with the economy. You need to read the paper more, it is exactly that kind of uninformed optimism that contributed to the economic downturn (ie people spending above their means, for example with mortgages, believing things will turn around) Tsk tsk.
He is 25 and while he has further potential, most players are hitting their stride around 25. Still he has never been over a point a game, he is a very good goal scorer but $7.7m for a guy who has never hit 80 points, (altho has hit 40 goals twice) seems like a lot to me... or I would say its banking on his continual progression, which makes the contract a gamble. Even if he is hiting 45g 45a then that would be a reasonable salary, but I am not so convinced he will. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 07/09/2009 : 10:54:58
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Hey Slozo, you are correct. A+B=C. If all players are over paid and Nash is a player, than he too is over paid.
However, when speaking in relative terms in comparing overpaid contract to overpaid contract, the money Nash is getting is fair.
Let me try to explain -
1) There are 10 or less 40+ goal scorers in the game every season. Nash is there or very close. With last season's numbers, over 800 players laced up in the NHL at one point or another. That being said, Nash is in the top 1/10 of a % of NHL players in goal scoring.
2) Nash's 6 year NHL career has been PPG totals of .53, .71, 1.00, .76, .86, and 1.01. All of this before the age of 25 and all of this without an legitimate line mate who supports his production.
3) Nash has made huge strides in his overall game since Hitch started coaching in CBJ.
4) 6'4", 235 lbs with mobility. How many guys in the league are that big, mobile, and productive???
5) Did I say he just turned 25??? Most players hit their prime in their late 20's and early 30's. He's still getting better (and has every year he's played).
Again, I like the contract. Agreed all players are overpaid for the job they do. But comparing apples to apples, the $7 million+ is not absurd. At least not Briere absurd.
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brentrock2
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Posted - 07/09/2009 : 12:34:35
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Nash is a awesome player but he is only a bit over-paid of what I think because like the top player in the NHL gets about $9 million but you can think what you think and I could think what I think.Nash,Heatly and Huselius will so good in the 09-10 season if they are all healthy.
HABS RULE!!
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Posted - 07/09/2009 : 21:28:52
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| I can't believe Admin finally got an avatar! lol |
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pittsburgh penguins
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Posted - 07/12/2009 : 16:47:47
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i think rick nash is a really talented player but for the money he got well its abit to much i would of gave him a little less money
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Guest4944
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Posted - 07/18/2009 : 13:48:18
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| I say he is over paid, he's a great plaayer and since columbus needs him. if it was 7.75million for 5 years it would be better but soon columbus is gunna need to rebuild a bit and this may come back and slap em in the face. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 07/18/2009 : 18:47:30
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Originally posted by Guest4944
I say he is over paid, he's a great plaayer and since columbus needs him. if it was 7.75million for 5 years it would be better but soon columbus is gunna need to rebuild a bit and this may come back and slap em in the face.
HUH? Did you forget to complete the thought? |
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Guest6887
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Posted - 07/30/2009 : 20:59:24
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| time for a new poll perhaps? |
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Rick Nash Signs with Columbus 
