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brentrock2
PickupHockey Pro
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 Posted - 07/07/2009 : 07:32:03
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Poll Question:
Who do you think is the best Dman?
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brentrock2
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 07/07/2009 : 07:39:44
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I chose Lidstrom, I think he plays well defensively and offensively.
HABS RULE!!
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Edited by - brentrock2 on 07/07/2009 13:13:36 |
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Guest9838
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Posted - 07/07/2009 : 07:50:54
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Of these three I think Chara will still stand tall (pun intended). Lidstrom is another year older (though I still expect him to be a top 5-10 dman). And Pronger may or may not work out in Philly, I think yes, but overall I'd say Chara is more effective.
A couple other guys might have career years or bounce back years too. Weber, Green, Keith, Bouwmeester, Markov, Campbell, Streit and Phaneuf could all be in the mix for Norris contention in 09-10. Zubov and Gonchar also used to be in that conversation, we'll see if they rebound from their injuries. |
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Guest9838
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Posted - 07/07/2009 : 07:51:52
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| wow you must have been updating that as I was writing... |
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PhillyFan12
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 07/07/2009 : 11:37:33
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You got so much good dmen up there Green,Pronger,Chara,Lidstrom,and Bouwmeester.But i had to pick Mike Green because he is the bomb.A very good offensive dman,with lots of goals in the 08-09 season.He'll probally do it again this year,get the most goals for a dman.Also out for every pp....Washingtons best defencemen!!!
PhillyFan12
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brentrock2
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 07/07/2009 : 11:47:47
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Originally posted by PhillyFan12
You got so much good dmen up there Green,Pronger,Chara,Lidstrom,and Bouwmeester.But i had to pick Mike Green because he is the bomb.A very good offensive dman,with lots of goals in the 08-09 season.He'll probally do it again this year,get the most goals for a dman.Also out for every pp....Washingtons best defencemen!!!
PhillyFan12
Philly Rules!!!
What you said about the bomb actually Chara or Pronger would prefer as the bomb.They are both big and strong and plays the puck well.Mike Green is very good and talented too and yes he is good on the PP and is maybe Washingtons best dman but Chara and Pronger also be's out for almost every PP.
Chara got a huge slapshot(hardest in the NHL)and pronger also got a hard slapshot.As well Lidstrom should be added, he also got a good slapshot and makes the right choice with the puck.
HABS RULE!!
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Guest0997
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Posted - 07/11/2009 : 13:56:47
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Originally posted by brentrock2
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Originally posted by PhillyFan12
You got so much good dmen up there Green,Pronger,Chara,Lidstrom,and Bouwmeester.But i had to pick Mike Green because he is the bomb.A very good offensive dman,with lots of goals in the 08-09 season.He'll probally do it again this year,get the most goals for a dman.Also out for every pp....Washingtons best defencemen!!!
PhillyFan12
Philly Rules!!!
What you said about the bomb actually Chara or Pronger would prefer as the bomb.They are both big and strong and plays the puck well.Mike Green is very good and talented too and yes he is good on the PP and is maybe Washingtons best dman but Chara and Pronger also be's out for almost every PP.
Chara got a huge slapshot(hardest in the NHL)and pronger also got a hard slapshot.As well Lidstrom should be added, he also got a good slapshot and makes the right choice with the puck.
HABS RULE!!
brentrock2
green is, maybe there best defenseman? he is a 30 goal scorer, he hits, and he comes back to help out and does a good job at it too. Green IS there best defenseman and is in the top 5 of the caps most valuable players. |
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Guest0997
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Posted - 07/11/2009 : 13:58:09
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Originally posted by Guest0997
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Originally posted by brentrock2
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Originally posted by PhillyFan12
You got so much good dmen up there Green,Pronger,Chara,Lidstrom,and Bouwmeester.But i had to pick Mike Green because he is the bomb.A very good offensive dman,with lots of goals in the 08-09 season.He'll probally do it again this year,get the most goals for a dman.Also out for every pp....Washingtons best defencemen!!!
PhillyFan12
Philly Rules!!!
What you said about the bomb actually Chara or Pronger would prefer as the bomb.They are both big and strong and plays the puck well.Mike Green is very good and talented too and yes he is good on the PP and is maybe Washingtons best dman but Chara and Pronger also be's out for almost every PP.
Chara got a huge slapshot(hardest in the NHL)and pronger also got a hard slapshot.As well Lidstrom should be added, he also got a good slapshot and makes the right choice with the puck.
HABS RULE!!
brentrock2
green is, maybe there best defenseman? he is a 30 goal scorer, he hits, and he comes back to help out and does a good job at it too. Green IS there best defenseman and is in the top 5 of the caps most valuable players. also, Chara doesnt have the hardest shot in the NHL, Chad Kilger and Sheldon Souray have both hit over the 106 mph mark before, and chara bearly breaks 105
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Guest9235
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Posted - 07/11/2009 : 19:09:55
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Originally posted by brentrock2
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Originally posted by PhillyFan12
You got so much good dmen up there Green,Pronger,Chara,Lidstrom,and Bouwmeester.But i had to pick Mike Green because he is the bomb.A very good offensive dman,with lots of goals in the 08-09 season.He'll probally do it again this year,get the most goals for a dman.Also out for every pp....Washingtons best defencemen!!!
PhillyFan12
Philly Rules!!!
What you said about the bomb actually Chara or Pronger would prefer as the bomb.They are both big and strong and plays the puck well.Mike Green is very good and talented too and yes he is good on the PP and is maybe Washingtons best dman but Chara and Pronger also be's out for almost every PP.
Chara got a huge slapshot(hardest in the NHL)and pronger also got a hard slapshot.As well Lidstrom should be added, he also got a good slapshot and makes the right choice with the puck.
HABS RULE!!
brentrock2
Technically, Sheldon Souray has the hardest shot in the NHL. He set an unofficial record at the Oilers skills competition with 106.7 mph I beleive. |
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brentrock2
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
571 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2009 : 04:18:04
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Originally posted by Guest9235
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Originally posted by brentrock2
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Originally posted by PhillyFan12
You got so much good dmen up there Green,Pronger,Chara,Lidstrom,and Bouwmeester.But i had to pick Mike Green because he is the bomb.A very good offensive dman,with lots of goals in the 08-09 season.He'll probally do it again this year,get the most goals for a dman.Also out for every pp....Washingtons best defencemen!!!
PhillyFan12
Philly Rules!!!
What you said about the bomb actually Chara or Pronger would prefer as the bomb.They are both big and strong and plays the puck well.Mike Green is very good and talented too and yes he is good on the PP and is maybe Washingtons best dman but Chara and Pronger also be's out for almost every PP.
Chara got a huge slapshot(hardest in the NHL)and pronger also got a hard slapshot.As well Lidstrom should be added, he also got a good slapshot and makes the right choice with the puck.
HABS RULE!!
brentrock2
Technically, Sheldon Souray has the hardest shot in the NHL. He set an unofficial record at the Oilers skills competition with 106.7 mph I beleive.
Well thats true but in the skills competition he didn't have the hardest shot, Chara did but I agree Souray did take the hardest shot but It wasn't in the skills competition.
HABS RULE!!
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Canucks Man
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 07/12/2009 : 12:38:29
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Originally posted by brentrock2
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Originally posted by Guest9235
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Originally posted by brentrock2
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Originally posted by PhillyFan12
You got so much good dmen up there Green,Pronger,Chara,Lidstrom,and Bouwmeester.But i had to pick Mike Green because he is the bomb.A very good offensive dman,with lots of goals in the 08-09 season.He'll probally do it again this year,get the most goals for a dman.Also out for every pp....Washingtons best defencemen!!!
PhillyFan12
Philly Rules!!!
What you said about the bomb actually Chara or Pronger would prefer as the bomb.They are both big and strong and plays the puck well.Mike Green is very good and talented too and yes he is good on the PP and is maybe Washingtons best dman but Chara and Pronger also be's out for almost every PP.
Chara got a huge slapshot(hardest in the NHL)and pronger also got a hard slapshot.As well Lidstrom should be added, he also got a good slapshot and makes the right choice with the puck.
HABS RULE!!
brentrock2
Technically, Sheldon Souray has the hardest shot in the NHL. He set an unofficial record at the Oilers skills competition with 106.7 mph I beleive.
Well thats true but in the skills competition he didn't have the hardest shot, Chara did but I agree Souray did take the hardest shot but It wasn't in the skills competition.
HABS RULE!!
brentrock2
Thats why the skills comp is BS, Souray didnt make the All-Star game, so that means that even though he officially recorded a harder shot he doesnt get credited for it.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
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Rambo2305
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 07/13/2009 : 11:55:16
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So what if they all get hurt in training camp, we'd all look like an ass lol
However, I'll say Wideman or Ference will have a 60 point season in Beantown, and fight for the Norris.
"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford |
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Axey
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 07/13/2009 : 12:38:38
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Originally posted by Rambo2305
So what if they all get hurt in training camp, we'd all look like an ass lol
However, I'll say Wideman or Ference will have a 60 point season in Beantown, and fight for the Norris.
"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford
Wideman has a chance, Ference will not come close.
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MSC
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 07/13/2009 : 13:45:35
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Originally posted by Rambo2305
So what if they all get hurt in training camp, we'd all look like an ass lol
However, I'll say Wideman or Ference will have a 60 point season in Beantown, and fight for the Norris.
"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford
Wideman or Ference will have a 60 point season and fight for the Norris? Yup, that seems reasonable. Announcing this years Norris finalists....Wideman, Ference, Chara and XXXXX....real reasonable indeed. |
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Guest9235
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Posted - 07/13/2009 : 15:14:15
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Originally posted by Canucks Man
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Originally posted by brentrock2
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Originally posted by Guest9235
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Originally posted by brentrock2
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Originally posted by PhillyFan12
You got so much good dmen up there Green,Pronger,Chara,Lidstrom,and Bouwmeester.But i had to pick Mike Green because he is the bomb.A very good offensive dman,with lots of goals in the 08-09 season.He'll probally do it again this year,get the most goals for a dman.Also out for every pp....Washingtons best defencemen!!!
PhillyFan12
Philly Rules!!!
What you said about the bomb actually Chara or Pronger would prefer as the bomb.They are both big and strong and plays the puck well.Mike Green is very good and talented too and yes he is good on the PP and is maybe Washingtons best dman but Chara and Pronger also be's out for almost every PP.
Chara got a huge slapshot(hardest in the NHL)and pronger also got a hard slapshot.As well Lidstrom should be added, he also got a good slapshot and makes the right choice with the puck.
HABS RULE!!
brentrock2
Technically, Sheldon Souray has the hardest shot in the NHL. He set an unofficial record at the Oilers skills competition with 106.7 mph I beleive.
Well thats true but in the skills competition he didn't have the hardest shot, Chara did but I agree Souray did take the hardest shot but It wasn't in the skills competition.
HABS RULE!!
brentrock2
Thats why the skills comp is BS, Souray didnt make the All-Star game, so that means that even though he officially recorded a harder shot he doesnt get credited for it.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
Souray was in the allstar game, he just didnt get as hard of a shot off there |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 07/14/2009 : 01:15:55
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Originally posted by Rambo2305
So what if they all get hurt in training camp, we'd all look like an ass lol
However, I'll say Wideman or Ference will have a 60 point season in Beantown, and fight for the Norris.
"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford
Is this for real? If so, i'd love to give you the following:
1. Odds
2. A proposed wager with said odds
3. A PO box you can send my winnings......
All kidding aside, i missed something, right??? |
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Rambo2305
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 07/14/2009 : 05:02:16
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Originally posted by Alex116
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Originally posted by Rambo2305
So what if they all get hurt in training camp, we'd all look like an ass lol
However, I'll say Wideman or Ference will have a 60 point season in Beantown, and fight for the Norris.
"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford
Is this for real? If so, i'd love to give you the following:
1. Odds
2. A proposed wager with said odds
3. A PO box you can send my winnings......
All kidding aside, i missed something, right???
Scratch Ference, Wideman though. He had a great year last year. You can argue a better year then Chara. So look for him to build on it.
"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford |
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Posted - 07/14/2009 : 06:30:04
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| If the Kessel for Kaberle trade goes through what a defence that would be for the B's. Chara, Wideman, Kaberle and Stuart. Almost as good as Calgary's. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 07/14/2009 : 07:20:10
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| Rambo, don't get me wrong, i know Wideman's great, but Norris candidate might be a stretch if for no other reason than there's many others out there who're a notch above. Never say never, but i think he's in tough to even get nominated for that award at this point. |
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Rambo2305
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 07/14/2009 : 08:23:38
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Originally posted by Alex116
Rambo, don't get me wrong, i know Wideman's great, but Norris candidate might be a stretch if for no other reason than there's many others out there who're a notch above. Never say never, but i think he's in tough to even get nominated for that award at this point.
Getting nominated is his toughest challenge simply because alot of nominee's are nominated based on popularity, admit it, or not. Let's compare Chara's stats, to Wideman's...
Zdeno Chara - 2008/2009 Stats:
GP 80 | 19 G | 31 A | 50 PTS | +23 | 95 PIM | 25+ Minutes per game
Dennis Wideman - 2008/2009 Stats:
GP 79 | 13 G | 37 A | 50 PTS | +32 | 35 PIM | Around 20 Minutes per game
So, you could argue that he had a Norris year last year...
"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 07/14/2009 : 12:23:27
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Rambo.... Good point(s) you've made. On paper, his game does appear as good as Chara's. Gotta wonder then, can he gain that needed respect/popularity? It took Chara till his 7th season (i think?) to get nominated for the Norris and with modest stats as well so maybe you're right, Wideman could be in the mix sooner than later? Having said that, i think a bigger obstacle for him than popularity, is Chara himself! Not likely to see two guys from one team nominated so he's gonna have to have a season that shines in comparison to his own team mate!
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Rambo2305
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 07/14/2009 : 12:27:15
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Originally posted by Alex116
Rambo.... Good point(s) you've made. On paper, his game does appear as good as Chara's. Gotta wonder then, can he gain that needed respect/popularity? It took Chara till his 7th season (i think?) to get nominated for the Norris and with modest stats as well so maybe you're right, Wideman could be in the mix sooner than later? Having said that, i think a bigger obstacle for him than popularity, is Chara himself! Not likely to see two guys from one team nominated so he's gonna have to have a season that shines in comparison to his own team mate!
Personally, I think Wideman can pull that off. He's still a sleeper for most GM's, pools, or bar bets. So, he can still fly under the radar and surprise a few people again next year. Build on a very solid season last year. If he does, not crazy for him to touch 60 Points. Hopefully then people recognize his name...
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brentrock2
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
571 Posts |
Posted - 07/15/2009 : 04:32:37
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Originally posted by Rambo2305
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Originally posted by Alex116
Rambo, don't get me wrong, i know Wideman's great, but Norris candidate might be a stretch if for no other reason than there's many others out there who're a notch above. Never say never, but i think he's in tough to even get nominated for that award at this point.
Getting nominated is his toughest challenge simply because alot of nominee's are nominated based on popularity, admit it, or not. Let's compare Chara's stats, to Wideman's...
Zdeno Chara - 2008/2009 Stats:
GP 80 | 19 G | 31 A | 50 PTS | +23 | 95 PIM | 25+ Minutes per game
Dennis Wideman - 2008/2009 Stats:
GP 79 | 13 G | 37 A | 50 PTS | +32 | 35 PIM | Around 20 Minutes per game
So, you could argue that he had a Norris year last year...
"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford
your right Rambo, Wideman did better last year than Chara by a bit.
HABS RULE!!
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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 10/07/2009 : 16:29:42
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My vote goes to the all mighty Chara. Not because he has been my favorite d-man since originally landing in Ottawa. But because the guy has skill. He hits, fights, has a hard shot, nice pass and strong leadership. What more do you want from a D-man. He also has the hockey sense it takes.
I can see a repeat.
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 10/07/2009 : 20:14:39
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Best Offensive Defenseman is Mike Green
Best Defensive Defenseman is Duncan Keith
Best overall defense still is Nick Lidstrom.
He is on the top of the mountain until someone knocks him off. Pronger and Neidermayer are still right behind him. Legitimately, I can see Shea Weber taking the top spot sooner than later. The guy really has no weakness in his game. |
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Posted - 10/08/2009 : 07:16:56
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I say this year, it will be between Lidstrom, Chara and Green once again.
I agree with Beans to some extent, Shea Weber is excellent . . . but the problem is, he plays for a middling team in the backwoods of Nashville (figuratively speaking, of course). He doesn't get half the press that a player on Boston, Detroit or now Washington would get, and although it's not fair, that's the way life goes.
I say that for Weber to be included in the voting, he has to have something resembling Green's offensive numbers of last year, something that is so outstanding it can't be ignored. Who knows, he certainly has the talent to score 25 and get 70 points . . . but I just don't see it happening with the team he has in front of him right now.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 10/08/2009 : 08:09:48
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Originally posted by Rambo2305
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Originally posted by Alex116
Rambo.... Good point(s) you've made. On paper, his game does appear as good as Chara's. Gotta wonder then, can he gain that needed respect/popularity? It took Chara till his 7th season (i think?) to get nominated for the Norris and with modest stats as well so maybe you're right, Wideman could be in the mix sooner than later? Having said that, i think a bigger obstacle for him than popularity, is Chara himself! Not likely to see two guys from one team nominated so he's gonna have to have a season that shines in comparison to his own team mate!
Personally, I think Wideman can pull that off. He's still a sleeper for most GM's, pools, or bar bets. So, he can still fly under the radar and surprise a few people again next year. Build on a very solid season last year. If he does, not crazy for him to touch 60 Points. Hopefully then people recognize his name...
"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford
Well Rambo, you'll be happy to hear, i picked up Wideman in one of my pools! However, this pool gives 2 points for goals by defensemen. Everything else is normal....You can also drop and add guys every month so if he sucks for any reason, i'm not stuck with him! |
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Habsfan17
Top Prospect
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Posted - 10/08/2009 : 14:25:10
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I picked lidstrom he is definitely the best D there he plays good D and forward.
Habs Rule
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sharksfan44
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 10/08/2009 : 15:57:53
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Originally posted by Habsfan17
I picked lidstrom he is definitely the best D there he plays good D and forward.
Habs Rule
Habsfan17
by forward u mean offense right? |
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Axey
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 10/08/2009 : 20:35:47
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Originally posted by Habsfan17
I picked lidstrom he is definitely the best D there he plays good D and forward.
Habs Rule
Habsfan17
omg its another one of you guys .. you, phillyfan12 and brentrock2 have a very similar alias |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 10/09/2009 : 01:14:24
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Axey....you just might be on to something.......... |
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hanley6
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 10/09/2009 : 01:20:56
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Offensive Defenseman Mike Green
Defensive Defenseman Chris Pronger
...And the LEAFS Win the CUP |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 10/09/2009 : 01:31:54
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Originally posted by hanley6
Offensive Defenseman Mike Green
Defensive Defenseman Chris Pronger
...And the LEAFS Win the CUP
Offensive defenseman - Mike Green
Defensive defenseman - Robyn Regehr (i have to google this guy every time i type his name as i can never remember how to spell it!) 
Biggest Pr1ck in the league - Chris Pronger (but yeah, i'll cheer for him at the Olympics....) |
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Leafs81
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 10/09/2009 : 09:48:28
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I think Markov is underrated. And his importance to the team and the pp is just unreal. Great vision, great passes and he almost plays a flawless game in his own end.
I don't see Shea Weber enough but I could have voted for him. Lidstrom was also considered. So Markov, Lidstrom and Weber.
Beauchemin right now is the MVDefenseman for the other teams. haha just kidding I shouldn't be picking on him. He'll pick up. |
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Best Dman of 2009-2010? 
