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Alex
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 Posted - 08/09/2009 : 17:24:10
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http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=287230
If it's true that's disgusting. Beating up a cab driver over 20 cents? This is shocking. Watching the cab driver talk about it (available on TSN) kind of makes me feel bad for him. Not much sympathy for Kane.
Can't believe the kid got arrested, much less did something like this. But really changes my impression of him. Who the hell do some people think they are?
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Posted - 08/09/2009 : 18:28:55
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Originally posted by Alex
Can't believe the kid got arrested, much less did something like this. But really changes my impression of him. Who the hell do some people think they are?
I'm sure this will get pinned on his brother. Really 20 cents? On a kid who makes more now than this cabbie ever will and stands to make more than some countries with his next contract, that is what disgusts me. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 08/09/2009 : 18:29:59
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Pretty freakin' sad if true. I don't wanna judge before the facts are out but i find myself really hoping, however doubtful, that this incident was somehow the cabbie's fault or something like that? I just can't fathom how a kid in his position could do such a thing. I don't care if it was 20 cents, 20 dollars or 200 dollars! He's got the world in front of him and to go and get involved in something like this is just ridiculous..... |
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Posted - 08/09/2009 : 18:51:21
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Originally posted by Alex
Can't believe the kid got arrested, much less did something like this. But really changes my impression of him. Who the hell do some people think they are?
I'm sure this will get pinned on his brother. Really 20 cents? On a kid who makes more now than this cabbie ever will and stands to make more than some countries with his next contract, that is what disgusts me.
I mean cousin not brother. |
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Posted - 08/09/2009 : 19:40:58
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| Im sure both Kane and his cousin were drinking a lot. It's summer guys. Still it's a jackass thing to do. |
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Posted - 08/09/2009 : 20:27:47
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| sounds like a sweet story to tell the teammates when training camp starts |
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Posted - 08/09/2009 : 20:29:05
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| you can tell that patty kane isnt the class act that Toews is, wonder if this will effect EA sports desicion of putting him on the cover of NHL 2010....heatley was removed after the whole daniel snyder incident. |
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Posted - 08/10/2009 : 07:14:47
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A 4am cab ride ends in arrest for Kane . . . so, before we jump to any conclusions, let's look at what we know for sure:
1. A police spokesperson stated that the cabbie received bruises/cuts to the face, and that his glasses were broken.
2. Police decided to charge Kane and his cousin with misdemeanour theft and criminal mischief.
3. The incident took place at 4am, as the two young men were coming home from Buffalo's nightclub district (Buffalo has nightclubs?!?).
So, from where I am sitting, it looks like Patrick Kane already got the star treatment by not getting charged with a more serious assault and battery. That pisses me off, since it would seem clear that the cab driver was certainly assaulted, assuming he didn't punch himself a couple of times after getting shortchanged for the ride. Also, the allegation is that the cabbie didn't have . . . 20 cents in change? Are you serious?!? Well, clearly they had argued before the incident, or somebody was badly drunk and raging. It may have been Patrick's cousin, so we shouldn't be too quick to judge I guess . . . of course, pinning it on him would be the easy out.
All I have to say about this incident so far, and Patrick Kane: what a moron.
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 08/10/2009 : 08:00:49
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Been following this story all morning, apparently he was yelling at the cabbie "Dont you know who I am?!" over and over while punching him, while the other guy was choking the cabbie (not sure who was punching and who was choking)
This is absolutley retarded. I dont care if he is 20, ive been 20 and drunk as hell out on the town before, you still dont do something like that. This definatley seems to me like a kid who let his ego and star status get the best of him. Like he thought he was above the law.
I'll reserve judgement until all the details come out i guess.... but im pretty sure he has lost ALOT of respect in the hockey world.
Young stars with lots of money are going to make mistakes, and unfortunatley for them it gets national publicity. I know nobodies perfect, but I bet Pat Kane wishes he had that one back..... unless he doesn't and is going to tell everyone that the cabbie had it coming lol.
Chicago doesnt need guys like this! Trade him to Toronto! 
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Beans15
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Posted - 08/10/2009 : 11:20:52
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| The details appear to still be sketchy, however I don't really think that the cops went easy on them. Felony robbery (robbery in the 2nd degree in NY is a Class C Felony) carries a minimum sentance of 3 1/2 years in prison if convicted. That's reasonably agressive although Kane never will see jail time out of this. The other charges are misdemenors. In the end. it will get plead down to nothing if it's found that Kane is the douche it appears. However, until he or his lawyer actually speak, I will reserve my personal judgement. Too often you see 'regular joes' trying to get a piece of the rich celebrity or sports figure. |
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 08/10/2009 : 13:20:33
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I have to admit, I probably would have a bit of a chip on my shoulder if I had millions of dollars when I was 20. There definatley has to be more to this story than what we are being told. Something obviously happened to piss off Kane and his cousin. There have been many incidents involving NHL players and the law, this one will just go down in history with the rest of them. 5 years from now people will look back and say "remember that...that was funny."
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Alex116
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Posted - 08/10/2009 : 14:26:11
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I dunno Matt, i don't think i'll ever think it's funny regardless of who's at fault. I understand what you mean about having that kind of money but a chip on the shoulder is one thing, to beat someone over 20 cents is another. If i heard he demanded his 20 cents back (no mention of a tip in any story i've heard), that'd be bad enough in itself, but to lay a beat down on a guy over something like this is just simply disgusting! If he wants to be a d-bag and go around saying "don't you know who i am" and hitting bars and throwing money around and not tipping or whatever, i'm fine with that. Still would think he's an idiot, but the minute you bring in an assault, it's a different story.
Let's face it, booze was a big factor in this, but in his position, he ought to know better. He should also be able to handle himself better, hang with people who'd keep him out of this kind of trouble and know that he's gonna be somewhat of a target for the "average joe". |
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Posted - 08/10/2009 : 14:42:24
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Even if the cabbie acted like an a******, overcharged them, took the long route, etc - no words should have a couple of young men throwing punches at a 60 year old man from behind . . . in a car, no less! Brutal stuff.
And Beans - assault SHOULD have been one of the charges. The police statement confirms that the cabbie received injuries, so you would have to assume he was assaulted unless the boys have one whopper of a story to explain that. Heck - if this had been me and my buddy, we would have been charged with my assault - why not these young men?
'Cause they are celebrities, that's why. Different rules for different folks, and with the high priced lawyer they can afford, it'll get swept away quickly and easily.
These incidents always piss me off because the inequality of justice appears so stark.
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Beans15
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Posted - 08/10/2009 : 15:04:40
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Hey Slozo, are you not maybe taking only one side of the story?? There hasn't been any comments from Kane(s), their lawyer, etc. Let me give an example.
About 6 months ago, a cabbie in Edmonton was charged with Sexual Assult. There were 4 girls in a cab that went to the Cops and said this middle aged cabbie drove them to the middle of nowhere and told them that they either listened to what he said or he would leave them there. He then went on to touch them and kiss them, etc. Then drove them home.
Sick eff'n creep right??
Wrong.
When the cabbie was arrested, the Cab company provided the police with the video/audio tapes from the cab. Many cabs in Edmonton are equipped with video equipment. When the tapes were viewed(afterwards publicly on the news) it shows the 4 girls, very drunk, throwing racial slurs and swearing at the cabbie. Finally, the cabbie gets them to their destination and they stiff him. He gets out of the cab or confront them and literally asks them nothing more than "Why are you not going to pay me." You can they hear one of the girls say, "You're done buddy. We'll go to the cops and tell them you assulted us."
The cabbie got an apology from the Police Cheif and the girls got into their own level of trouble.
It's not alway the first story that's the true story.
I am not saying in any way shape or form that Kane did not act unbecoming. I am just not ready to throw the book at him over hearing one side of the story. There have been countless situations of people making allegations towards sports stars in hope of making money.
Again, Kane possibly is the loser he is being made out to be. But, it's also very interesting that I am literally listening to the lawyer for the cab company in an interview as I am writing this who said the whole situation was blown completely out of proportion. That in itself tells me there might be doubt.
Here's a link to a story quoting the Lawyer saying the situation was blown out of proportion and "I think we should be able to work things out with [Patrick]Kane."
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/story/2009/08/10/sp-kane-court.html
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 08/10/2009 : 17:18:24
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Interesting story Beans. I'm sure a lot of similar s*** happens all over the place. Can only imagine the embarrassment those sluts...errrrr, girls had to deal with?
Before reading the link you provided to the other story, i'd heard the same, that the cab company and/or cabbie is now claiming it's been blown out of proportion. As much as that could appear that it's partially his (cabbie) fault, i kinda wonder if the "Kane camp" has already approached him with some form/quantity of "hush money"? Just a thought?  |
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Beans15
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Posted - 08/10/2009 : 17:39:47
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Interesting story Beans. I'm sure a lot of similar s*** happens all over the place. Can only imagine the embarrassment those sluts...errrrr, girls had to deal with?
Before reading the link you provided to the other story, i'd heard the same, that the cab company and/or cabbie is now claiming it's been blown out of proportion. As much as that could appear that it's partially his (cabbie) fault, i kinda wonder if the "Kane camp" has already approached him with some form/quantity of "hush money"? Just a thought?
Absolutely right. The Kane Camp (which might also include the Blackhawks and/or Hockey USA) may have approached with the offer of an out of court thing.
However, could that have been what the cabbie was looking for in the first place??? |
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Alex116
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Posted - 08/10/2009 : 19:01:56
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Originally posted by Beans15
Absolutely right. The Kane Camp (which might also include the Blackhawks and/or Hockey USA) may have approached with the offer of an out of court thing.
However, could that have been what the cabbie was looking for in the first place???
Exactly. Again, we don't know the facts yet and may never will but my guess is this: Kane and is cousing are pretty much 100% to blame. That'd be why the cabbie went public and reported it right away. Now that he's figured out who this kid is and has likely been offered some dough (possibly quite a bit?), he's willing to make it seem like it was blown outta proportion? Wouldn't be the first time something like this happened surely!
Again, this is my guess only , i will wait to see/hear the facts (those that we end up hearing anyway) before really posting an opinion on Kane and any others invovled. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 08/10/2009 : 19:21:23
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Here a different way to look at it. Firstly, I agree with Slozo in what I believe he is eluding to. That being that sports stars/celebrities often get softer treatment from the legal system.
However, think about this for a second. If this was not Patrick Kane. If it was some "college kid"
a) Would there have been an arrest already??
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b) Would there even been a cop assigned to the case further than taking the statement??
Not a chance. |
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Rambo2305
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 08/11/2009 : 05:23:19
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With the possible withdrawal of all charges. We all know what happened...
The Kane party paid the cabbie a very nice tip not to pursue it anymore. Done and done. Funny because if I had pulled this off, would take much more then that to get my ass out of jail lol
Funny how celebs and athletes can literally get away with murder, drugs, robbery...fun world we live in :D
I wonder how much they're paying him?
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Posted - 08/11/2009 : 07:10:35
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Beans - show me where I jumped to any conclusions?
If it was some college kids, and the obvious assault took place (we know this is fact because it was a POLICE SPOKESPERSON who told us of the cabbie's injuries), YES, there would have been charges already, and they would have spent a few hours in jail before getting bailed out by their parents probably, unless they had priors.
There wouldn't have been a need for a spokesperson, no . . . but I fail to see how that pertains to justice.
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Beans15
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Posted - 08/11/2009 : 08:27:14
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Slozo, how do you know, without a shadow of a doubt, that Kane was invovled? It was the cabbie's story and his story only. He said that one "Kane" was choking him and the other "Kane" was punching him. How do you know that is exactly what happened from one side of the story??
Is it at all possible that Patrick Kane was not involved at all?? Is it at all possible that it was Kane's cousin who was the only person involved with the assault?? Is it possible that Kane's cousin was making the "Do you who we are?? Do you know who you are messing with" comments???
That's where I see it as jumping to conclusions if you will. You heard the side of the cabbie and the police's statements of fact, which did not say anywhere who did what, only that a man received cuts and bruises and broken glasses.From that, Kane was convicted and I say that because your original post contains comments about Kane getting star treatment and not getting charged with assault which to me shows that you have already placed the blame.
All I am saying is that I personally can not pass judgement without hearing both sides of the story and often the truth is somewhere between the 2 sides. Is it possible that Kane is a complete tool and smacked this cabbie around? Definately. Is is possible that this was a simple disagreement between the 2 parties that got out of hand? Definately. Is it possible that the cabbie was the orginal aggressor? That could be true as well. And is it possible that the cabbie realized who these guys were and it looking for a payday?? Definately.
I just can't get the who story from one side and it's my opinion that without both sides, it's a short sided, bias opinion. |
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Posted - 08/11/2009 : 10:42:12
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Beans - if Patrick wasn't deemed to be involved by the police, why was he charged? Why was he momentarily held in police custody?
The police obviously gathered that he WAS involved, he was clearly there at the scene, and he and his cousin were charged together by the police. That would indicate guilt to me . . . at the very, very least, he stood by while his cousin threw shots at him.
I find it hard to believe that a cabbie working at 4am recognised one of two drunk men as an NHL star. I also find it hard to believe that he would concoct a story to include the NHL star as being the perpetrator when he wasn't . . . the cops easily trip up and discredit stories like this, trust me. They are easy to spot and dissect.
Sorry, I am not buying your pleabargain, Beans: in the court of slozo, Kane is guilty of drunken assault and behaviour unbecoming of a supposed role model. I wouldn't throw the book at him, but a public apology (that will never come) and a payoff to the cabbie (that surely will come) would be a good start.
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Rambo2305
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Canada
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Posted - 08/11/2009 : 12:03:44
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Both member's of the Kane family that are involved (Patrick and his cousin) are currently under house arrest at Patrick's parent's house in suburban Buffalo. Both are facing felony charges and are awaiting their court dates.
Kane will most likely miss training camp for court commitments and he will still not be allowed to leave Buffalo, or the house for that matter.
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Beans15
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Posted - 08/11/2009 : 13:27:35
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Slozo, comparing this to the story I related above. The cabbie from that story was arrest as well. However, when the true story came out all charged were dropped and was given an apology from the Police Chief.
That was an arrest based on one side of a story.
I am not saying that Kane is not involved. Not in the least. I am just not ready to throw the book at him until he has a chance to tell his side of the story.
However, I do agree with you 100%. Involved or not, He will get little if anything of a sentence and The cabbie will be getting rather large cash injection. Once this happens, we will never know the true story.
Hey Rambo, if you have a link to a story saying that Kane is under house arrest, I would love to see it. I just spent the past 30 minutes reading everything I could find with Kane's name in it the past 4 days and not a single one mentioned house arrest. In fact, all the reports I have read stated that both Kanes were released once they entered their pleas.
More is coming to light about the case. The Cabbie didn't have a license, and has been charged in the past with DWI. Like that changes anything, but that's something that definately was not reported initially. Also, it interesting that Kane is 20 years old yet was picked up from an night club area and was apparently drunk. Who was serving his underage person alcohol???
Take a look at this story, by ESPN, where Kane's lawyer is making some pretty interesting statements regarding the cabbie not letting the two guys out of the car and Kane (paraphrased) saying "I didn't hit the guy, I didn't assault the guy, I wasn't involved."
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/news/story?id=4391488
Here's another with what I have found to be the most details of the story, apparently from the Police Report. Again, one sided from the Cabbie.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/hockey/blackhawks/chi-10-blackhawks-patrick-kane-caug10,0,1492568.story
This, like the Phoenix mess, is far from over and we may never know the true story. |
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hanley6
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Posted - 08/11/2009 : 14:59:42
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if charges were really dropped it goes to show, when you are famous, whether its, hockey, football (OJ Simpson), baseball, singer (Michael Jackson), all you need is money and you can get away with anything
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Posted - 08/12/2009 : 06:00:49
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Some interesting links there, Beans. Well, it's not really hockey, but what else is there for me to talk about this morning?
First one I looked at was this one:
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/news/story?id=4391488
I find it hilarious that the lawyer is posturing the argument into "the kids just wanted to get out of the cab to get their wallets out" and that in the past, supposedly, according to Kane's lawyer, the same cabbie had locked in other passengers until they paid, not letting people out to get their wallet out.
So the young men in their early twenties, one of them a highly conditioned athlete, can't find the physical ability to take their wallet out of their back pocket while seated? I could do it easily, why can't they? The story is ludicrous to say the least, and indicative of the kind of claptrap that lawyers come up with . . . they set up a false premise (people need to exit the cab to pay) and then turn it back on the accuser as a violation of client rights (they were locked in).
There is no evidence of the kids being locked in . . . but clearly, there is evidence the cabbie was assaulted, remember.
Cabbies also get stiffed all the time, especially in a hole like Buffalo (sorry, but it's true - downtown Buffalo is somewhat seedy and sketchy) and add to that the terrible unemployment and economy right now - I would totally understand a driver being nervous about being paid by two young drunk men. If the claim about him being unlicensed is true (Beans - you state it as fact for some reason), that would be real unfortunate for him, and everyone probably walks away at that point.
Then I read your second link:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/hockey/blackhawks/chi-10-blackhawks-patrick-kane-caug10,0,1492568.story
And I got one shiny, new tidbit that confirms what happened actually happened. "A witness saw the attack and called police, Radecki said" It seems like a very unlikely thing to lie about . . . and it adds great legitimacy to the actualy assault taking place.
Reporting sucks these days, I have to say . . . this witness that called it in would seem to be the best person to question about the event. Oh well, this will all get washed away soon enough and Kane can go back to clubbing and acting like the privelaged.
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Pasty7
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Posted - 08/12/2009 : 06:57:48
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alrighty my turn i perposly waited untill more details were unveilled to voice my opinion, as has been said before i feel there has to be more than just the cabbies word, first it has now come to light the cabbie has had multiple altercations with clients, no longer has a valid license and multiple drunk driving charges,, does this make his story false, no but it also shows this guy isn't nessiarly the upstanding tax paying hard working citizen brutally taken adavantage of by young arogant famous millonaire patrick kane, this story originally posted as a slanderfest and i hate slander,,, Now it has also come to light that the cab driver locked both Kane's in the car and refused to allow one to step out of the car to get his wallet out of his back poket,, (this is from the drivers statement not even the kanes) now im around the same age as these two boys i will be 22 on the 26th of this month,,,,, now somebody locks me into a car being the younging full of piss and viniger i am hes not exactly getting a tip at all,, and i tend to overtip in most situation but this one would deffinetly anger me im sorry more and more im thinking there was a small verbal altercation where the cabbie may have beeen threatend a bit but all and all i think this is a poor man looking to make a quick buck !!!!!
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Alex116
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Posted - 08/12/2009 : 08:18:18
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I've heard that some cab companies demand an up front payment before departure? Anyone been in a situation like this? Do they take more than the anticipated amount?
Slozo...i can't remember the last time i had to get out of a cab to reach my wallet? WTF? Makes so little sense it's silly and i can't believe his lawyer would have even said that! In fact, i usually have my money out before i even reach the destination and come to think of it, it's not like i've ever struggled for 8 blocks to yank it outta my back pocket either? As for the evidence of them being locked in, i thought there was evidence of that? Didn't the cabbie or his boss, admit that the cabbie locked them in and say that's not an unusual thing in those parts? Seems sorta dangerous and prob illegal but i don't know their rules there?
As for the witness, where'd this person suddenly appear from? Even that part sounds a little suspect to me?
Pasty... Totally agree with you that i'd be pretty chapped if i was locked in a car. However, i'm pretty sure i'd be booting out the window before i layed a beatdown on the cabbie. Neither is right, but i understand the difference between damaged property and a damaged human. As for him looking to make a buck, i disagree. Personally, i'm a huge hockey fan and if i were driving a cab and picked up some young drunk kids, i would prob not recognize a guy like Kane? Maybe i would? This cabbie may not be a hockey fan, he's in Buffalo, not like it's in Chicago where Kane has made his mark and it's late night in a nightclub area where he likely often picks up kids like this? Heck, do you think he turned around and had a good look at his customer? I doubt it. Unless Kane id'd himself early in the ride before the altercation, i'd venture to guess that the first point the cabbie realized this kid could be rich/famous was "mid beatdown"?
If you think he's trying to make a quick buck, i agree only if you refer to the fact he's now changing tune and making it seem blown outta proportion. Seems like a sure payoff to make this go away quickly to me......... |
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