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Matt_Roberts85
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 Posted - 08/18/2009 : 13:04:24
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If you could draft any 3 players in the NHL today to start a team, who would you choose and why? Who would be your coach?
How about we exclude Crosby, Malkin and Ovechkin? A whole page of teams with those 3 isn't much fun...
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
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Matt_Roberts85
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 08/18/2009 : 13:20:30
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I would be looking for players who will excel in the league for the next 10-15 years. I would want 3 guys who have skill, leadership qualities and an unquenchable desire to win. My coach would have to be someone who has a track record of developing stars and consistantly going deep into the playoffs.
1. Jonathon Towes
This kid to me, is the next Stevie Y/Joe Sakic type player. We all know what tools he has and there is no reason why this kid couldn't lead a team to a Stanley Cup (or more) one day.
2. Victor Hedman
This would be a bit of a gamble considering he hasn't played a lick of NHL hockey yet, but I want to have the next dominant swedish star anchoring my blueline for a decade plus. The guy is a monster, can QB a PP with ease and is an amazing skater for a dude his size. Barring injury or a total change of heart, this guy will be a dominate force in the NHL for a while.
3. Marc Andre Fleury
This one will seem sketchy to some. I need a young goalie who will be around for at least another 10 years, who has already won a stanley cup, been to the finals twice and is french canadian. French goalies have a tendancy to become legends y'know. He does allow the soft goal here and there, but over the past 2 seasons this guy has proved to me that he is money in the clutch. His athletitisicm is second to none in the NHL and I think his technical skills will become even more polished as his career moves forward.
My Coach would have to be Mike Babcock. This guy just oozes confidence and commands respect around the league. He has won a stanley cup and been to the finals twice, with 2 totally different teams. He has coached many all stars and is capable of balancing egos in the room. He is technically sound and very passionate. He holds his players accountable for their actions, and is willing to reward hard work.
I know this post is pretty much just filler during the summer.... but it could get interesting...
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Edited by - Matt_Roberts85 on 08/18/2009 13:24:19 |
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Guest0494
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Posted - 08/18/2009 : 13:46:38
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1.Lunquist
2. Mike Richards hmmm or Getzlaf
3. Jaybo
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Guest4050
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Posted - 08/18/2009 : 13:58:44
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Pavel Datsuyk
Eric Staal
Rick Nash
Bruce Boudreau behind the bench |
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MSC
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 08/18/2009 : 14:38:23
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It all starts at the back end...
1. Steve Mason
2. Shea Weber
and a little help up front to get the team started in...
3. Ryan Getzlaf |
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sharksfan44
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 08/18/2009 : 18:04:57
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mike richards
devin setoguchi
steve mason
My coach would have to be mike babcock
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Guest4004
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Posted - 08/18/2009 : 18:23:20
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1. pavel datsyuk
2. zdeno chara
3. steve mason
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leafsfan_101
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 08/18/2009 : 19:52:45
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Mine goes something like this:
Mike Richards
Zdeno Chara
Jarome Iginla
Coach: Lindy Ruff
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Posted - 08/18/2009 : 21:27:40
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When you say "draft any three players" (assuming we leave out the big three) . . . what do you mean? Does that mean we get to choose any active players right now, even if they are just about to retire or near the end of their careers, pretending that we are just drafting them as kids? Or, they stay the age they are now . . . and I get them as is?
I would have very different answers, obviously, so I need to know that first.
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Matt_Roberts85
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 08/19/2009 : 07:02:34
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Drafting players as they are right now
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Posted - 08/19/2009 : 07:26:10
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Keeping the players at the ages and experience they have now is what I'm guessing what was meant. Keeping the big 3 out of it... it's tough.
I'll start with a goalie: I have to go with Lundqvist.
Mason, Hiller, Fleury, Price, Rinne all decent options who are young, but aside from Fleury they aren't proven commodities. Lundqvist is only 27 and is a top 5 goalie, no questions.
Next to anchor the defense: Weber
Big, Strong, monster defenseman, offensive weapon. 2nd in goals, 3rd in Shots for Dmen, 8th in hits for Dmen, 95 blks puts him in the top 100 and comparable to Boyle, Zidlicky, Suter, Keith (not great but not unwilling to get infront of the puck), 33 giveaways is far fewer than comparables like Markov, Green, Phaneuf, Bouwmeester, Boyle, Chara, and many others. Lacking on the takeaways. And he's just 23
Finally as a leader and a offensive force in front: Going to have to go with Mike Richards
So many options here... Carter, Parise, Getzlaf, E Staal (Got to love that 2003 draft class - will be the best ever when it's all said and done). But Richards is the full pkg, offensive, defensive, a leader, plays great in all situations, pk dynamo. And only 24. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 08/19/2009 : 08:23:00
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I'd have to go with Cam Ward in net. Still young, cup winner and a guy who'd be the number 1 on almost every other olympic team! Unfortunately for him, he's Canadian and has Marty and Roberto to compete with! Considered Luongo, but he's 4 or 5 years older than Ward and i didn't wanna be considered a "homer" and pick a Canuck, unlike Sharksfan and his choice of Setoguchi? Sharksfan, a warm welcome, but come on....Setoguchi? Really? Yikes....
Whether or not i'd pick a D-man would be a tough choice. As much as i'd love to take a shot at Hedman, i'd prob pass as he, like Tavares who i'd have to consider at forward, is unproven at this level. I'd prob play it safe and take Weber.
The one guy who at this point in his career would be a lock on my team (and should be one of ANYone and EVERYone's picks) would be Getzlaf! How anyone could pass on this guy is beyond me! Of course, that's just my opinion.
If Iginla were a few years younger, he'd be a lock but i'd have to look to the future. Same goes for a guy like Datsyuk.
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Posted - 08/19/2009 : 09:40:50
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Ok - drafting three players to build a team around who aren't named Ovechkin, Crosby or Malkin. At their present age and experience.
I start from the goal out:
1. Henrik Lundqvist
This was a very, very close race between King Henrik and the cup-winning Fleury . . . but I note that Lundqvist has played very, very well in the playoffs already, has no injuries so far, and to me (biased towards eastern goalies who I see more often) is the best goalie in the game today.
So, I have my most valuable piece of the puzzle, next I determine the two most valuable assets - forwards or defence - that I can find. I don't look solely at the very young players, as the longest contract I'll probably be signing anyone up for is 7 or 8 years . . . so, I'll avoid the 34 year olds and up.
2. Ilya Kovalchuk
Pure and simple - other than Ovechkin, nobody else can beat this guy for pure goal-scoring prowess. He is still pretty young, has shown a bit more maturity in his game as he gets older, and with the right teammates would be unstoppable.
3. Ryan Getzlaf
This guy is the full package - a leader on the ice, he is big, strong, and skilled, opening up a ton of room for his linemates. His stats keep rising, and he may not have even peaked yet. Put this guy together with a true sniper, and watch destruction on the ice.
And yes, as coach of my team, I would play Kovalchuk and Getzlaf on the same line . . . I can only imagine the havoc they would wreak upon the opposition!
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sharksfan44
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Posted - 08/19/2009 : 12:00:17
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| lol, i knew i would probably take some heat for that pick. and thanks for the warm welcome alex. I've watched every single sharks game in about 2 years(pretty sad i no) and setoguchi is a real good player. now i no he doesn't play the pk and isn't out there for his defensive skills, but he's still young and can grow to develope that part of his game. plus his offensive game is only going to get better.Maybe that seems like a bit of a stretch and like a risky pick to some people, but i think he would be a good player to start a team with because he's young and still gunna be around for a while, and is only going to get better |
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Posted - 08/19/2009 : 13:30:24
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I know a great goalie is the way to start. But I will skip the goalie position just simply because I can't decide between Luongo, Lundqvist, Fleury and Ward.
So I would pick Phaneuf for his crushing hits and powerplay skill.
Getzlaf for his talent, skill and dominance
Mike Richards for his leadership. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 08/19/2009 : 13:43:13
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Sharksfan... Don't get me wrong, i too believe Setoguchi's a great talent and will only get better. However, with 3 picks to start a team, he'd fall shy there in most peoples book. There's others out there who are already better, are also expected to continue to get better, etc who would be much more valuable to a team starting from scratch. I compare your picking of Setoguchi to a Kings fan choosing Anze Kopitar. Regardless, it's your opinion and pick right? I'm guessing you get a near full squad of Sharks in hockey pools you enter ?
Guest 9262.... Funny, i'd have picked Phaneuf a couple years ago and back then he was a lock for Team Canada. Now, hmmmm, not so sure. Still love to watch him hit but with guys like Weber, Boumeester, Seabrook, etc out there, it'd be tough to go with Dion! |
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Posted - 08/19/2009 : 13:53:00
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sharksfan44
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Posted - 08/19/2009 : 14:07:38
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ya i no what u mean alex, u have a very good point there. and i usually do take a couple of sharks here and there lol. unfortunately they havent been doing me much good in the playoffs  |
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Posted - 08/19/2009 : 15:33:09
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Originally posted by Alex116
Sharksfan... Don't get me wrong, i too believe Setoguchi's a great talent and will only get better. However, with 3 picks to start a team, he'd fall shy there in most peoples book. There's others out there who are already better, are also expected to continue to get better, etc who would be much more valuable to a team starting from scratch. I compare your picking of Setoguchi to a Kings fan choosing Anze Kopitar. Regardless, it's your opinion and pick right? I'm guessing you get a near full squad of Sharks in hockey pools you enter?
Guest 9262.... Funny, i'd have picked Phaneuf a couple years ago and back then he was a lock for Team Canada. Now, hmmmm, not so sure. Still love to watch him hit but with guys like Weber, Boumeester, Seabrook, etc out there, it'd be tough to go with Dion!
Yeah Dion didn't have a good season last year and he's taking longer then expected to correct some of his defensive mistakes. But he's still young, have a lot of experience and I think he will be dominant for years to come. Mike Keenan just killed that team for the two years he was there. Calgary had a team to go all the way but Keenan is not the type of coach players want to play for. Kiprusoff and Phaneuf will be better under Sutter.
As for Weber he would have to show he can repeat what he did last year before I consider him I don't like to put players amongst the elite list with one breakthrough season under their belt (like Parise). You're right though Weber is up there with the best of them.
I forgot to say my pic for coach would be Mike Babcock. He's the best coach in the NHL today period. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 08/19/2009 : 16:09:11
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Originally posted by sharksfan44
ya i no what u mean alex, u have a very good point there. and i usually do take a couple of sharks here and there lol. unfortunately they havent been doing me much good in the playoffs
You're not alone there! I've loaded up on them in the playoff pools a couple times myself  !!! |
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redneck76ca
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Posted - 08/19/2009 : 16:41:05
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Originally posted by Matt_Roberts85
If you could draft any 3 players in the NHL today to start a team, who would you choose and why? Who would be your coach?
How about we exclude Crosby, Malkin and Ovechkin? A whole page of teams with those 3 isn't much fun...
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
I think that I would take Getzlaf and Mike Richards, both young talented centers that have a nose for the defensive end as well. You also get you captain in Richards with Getzlaf being very capable of wearing the A.
My third pick would likely be a goalie. This would be a toss up between Luongo, Ward and Mason. With Luongo being the front runner although he is older than the other two. |
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Posted - 08/19/2009 : 19:04:03
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Slozo, 9838 here.
I like that Kovalchuk pick, I didn't even think of him because I feel like he's been around for ever. It's just hard to believe he only turned 26 this year.
Still sticking with Lunny, Richards and Weber though if I picked 1 D, 1 F, 1 G, and forgot have to add Babcock as the coach (but with the teams he's had it's probably hard to be a bad coach).
If I went with 2 D, 1 F, I'd probably go with Weber, Keith and Richards or Getz.
3D - Weber, Keith, JBo.
1D, 2F - Weber, Richards, Getz
3F - Richards, Getz, Kovalchuk (I'm stealing that pick from you)
Matt_Roberts... Good question, I could rearrange my combo's forever.
How about 3 players 21 or under...
Kopitar, Toews, Kane, Doughty, Mason, Lucic, Kessel, Brassard, Stamkos, Gagner, Price, Bailey, Okposo, Turris, Mueller, Boedker, J Staal, E Johnson, L Schenn, Backstrom, Bogosian?
So many good young players in the game now.
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Posted - 08/19/2009 : 19:18:01
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Forwards top 3:
Getzlaf, Nash, Kovalchuk (it was a toss up between Kovy and Heatley).
Really wanted Richards, but he is small and plays big. As you can tell, big bodies need only apply here so sorry Parise.
D:
Weber, Bouwmeester, Burns
G:
Lundqvist, Fleury, Ward
Nothing against the west coast goalies, but they are either proven older guys or new rookies. I just couldn't take one of the western keepers over proven less than 26 yr old goalies.
Top 3 out of the above:
You gotta start with a proven goalie. They'lll carry you through the grind of the season and make your day in the playoffs. To that end, I pick Ward. Struggled alot, but Ward has not had a serious injury and he is playoff gold behind a terrible defense.
Then I'll skip the monster D line and go straight to offense since I have the ultimate defender in my goalie. I'll take Getzlaf and Nash combo. Big boys who play big and can lead.
So Ward, Getzlaf and Nash.
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Beans15
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Posted - 08/20/2009 : 07:22:23
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Here are my Top 3
1 - Paval Datsyuk - So rare is a player that is one of the top 5 offensive players and absolutely elite defensive forwards in one package. (Put this in perspective, in 08, Datsyuk had 144 takeaways. Next closest guy had 86). The only reason he is not the Cap in the Motor City is Lidstrom. He's 31, but has 5-7 solid seasons remaining and I will need a vet to lead by youth to the Cup, which Datsyuk has won multiple times.
2 - Henrik Lundqvist - Not going to repeat what everyone else has said, but he is not only one of the top 5 keeps in the league today, he is the best under the age of 30. Ward and Fleury are both part of this, but I like Lundqvist and his ability to play 70ish regular season games and then single handedly put one, if not the most offensively gifted team to a 7th game in the playoffs on the road. That performance was sick.
3 - I agree with Shea Weber here. The time will come, and sooner than later, that Weber is the best defensemen of his class (Phaneuf, Coburn, Carle, Seabrook, Burns, etc). He has the entire package and would be a great anchor to a defensive group for the next decade.
My coach, this is tough. There are a number of really good coaches in the NHL today. It's tough to not look at Babcock. He's been successful and more than anything else, his team ALWAYS plays diciplined hockey. But I still like Torts. He got a serious fire to win. He's great on the mic and he is smarter than people think. Many people talk about his 'antics' during interviews but ask yourself this: If all the attention is on him, can't his players just focus on playing??? I take Tortorella. |
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redneck76ca
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Posted - 08/20/2009 : 17:02:48
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Originally posted by Guest0855
Forwards top 3:
Getzlaf, Nash, Kovalchuk (it was a toss up between Kovy and Heatley).
Really wanted Richards, but he is small and plays big. As you can tell, big bodies need only apply here so sorry Parise.
D:
Weber, Bouwmeester, Burns
G:
Lundqvist, Fleury, Ward
Nothing against the west coast goalies, but they are either proven older guys or new rookies. I just couldn't take one of the western keepers over proven less than 26 yr old goalies.
Top 3 out of the above:
You gotta start with a proven goalie. They'lll carry you through the grind of the season and make your day in the playoffs. To that end, I pick Ward. Struggled alot, but Ward has not had a serious injury and he is playoff gold behind a terrible defense.
Then I'll skip the monster D line and go straight to offense since I have the ultimate defender in my goalie. I'll take Getzlaf and Nash combo. Big boys who play big and can lead.
So Ward, Getzlaf and Nash.
There are far better choices for dmen than Bouwmeester. He may be one of the most overrated players in the NHL. What has he really done to make him an elite dman? We'll see what he does with a better team in front of him. I'd take Weber, Seabrook, Keith, Burns before I even considered taking Bo. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 08/20/2009 : 19:20:04
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Originally posted by redneck76ca
[br There are far better choices for dmen than Bouwmeester. He may be one of the most overrated players in the NHL. What has he really done to make him an elite dman? We'll see what he does with a better team in front of him. I'd take Weber, Seabrook, Keith, Burns before I even considered taking Bo.
redneck, i share your opinion on JBo. I hope we're not wrong cuz i really don't want Calgary to do well obviously being a Canucks fan! Anyway, i know he didn't play for the greatest team over the past few seasons but lets face it, he's played a TON of minutes over those years. How much more ice time could he get and still only put up 40 or so points? I think he's a great all around dman but i just don't think he's an elite "offensive defensman" just yet? Maybe he makes that jump this year? Hopefully not though |
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Posted - 08/20/2009 : 19:25:14
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Originally posted by redneck76ca
There are far better choices for dmen than Bouwmeester. He may be one of the most overrated players in the NHL. What has he really done to make him an elite dman? We'll see what he does with a better team in front of him. I'd take Weber, Seabrook, Keith, Burns before I even considered taking Bo.
Ya you're right. Nobody wants a defensemen who plays on average over 25 minutes a game in a the last 4 seassons without missing a game (if I'm not mistaken he ranked first in on ice time 2 yrs ago and 2nd last year).
Yr GP G A Pts +/- PIM SOG ATOI
2002-2003 82 4 12 16 -29 14 110 19:46
2003-2004 61 2 18 20 -15 30 85 23:02
2005-2006 82 5 41 46 1 79 189 25:29
2006-2007 82 12 30 42 23 66 174 26:08
2007-2008 82 15 22 37 -5 72 182 27:28
2008-2009 82 15 27 42 -2 68 182 27:00
Here is Weber's stats that yo are ooohing and aaahhhing so much about.
Yr GP G A Pts +/- PIM SOG ATOI
2005-2006 28 2 8 10 8 42 46 17:00
2006-2007 79 17 23 40 13 60 152 19:23
2007-2008 54 6 14 20 -6 49 152 19:30
2008-2009 81 23 30 53 1 80 251 23:58
Just for fun here is the reigning Norris winner's stats for the last couple of years.
Yr GP G A Pts +/- PIM SOG ATOI
2002-2003 74 9 30 39 29 116 168 24:55
2003-2004 79 16 25 41 33 147 185 24:38
2005-2006 71 16 27 43 17 135 212 27:11
2006-2007 80 11 32 43 -21 100 204 27:58
2007-2008 77 17 34 51 14 114 207 26:50
2008-2009 80 19 31 50 23 95 216 26:04
With the exception of being on a better team (both in OTT and BOS)hence better +/-, looks pretty close from 03-present no?
Bouwmeester can skate, hit, shoot, defend, pass. He may not be the number 1 guy category in all these categories but I'd say he would be top 10 in all of them. Plus he is a big boy who doesn't take any silly penalties. |
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redneck76ca
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Posted - 08/20/2009 : 19:59:11
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Originally posted by Guest7086
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Originally posted by redneck76ca
There are far better choices for dmen than Bouwmeester. He may be one of the most overrated players in the NHL. What has he really done to make him an elite dman? We'll see what he does with a better team in front of him. I'd take Weber, Seabrook, Keith, Burns before I even considered taking Bo.
Ya you're right. Nobody wants a defensemen who plays on average over 25 minutes a game in a the last 4 seassons without missing a game (if I'm not mistaken he ranked first in on ice time 2 yrs ago and 2nd last year).
Yr GP G A Pts +/- PIM SOG ATOI
2002-2003 82 4 12 16 -29 14 110 19:46
2003-2004 61 2 18 20 -15 30 85 23:02
2005-2006 82 5 41 46 1 79 189 25:29
2006-2007 82 12 30 42 23 66 174 26:08
2007-2008 82 15 22 37 -5 72 182 27:28
2008-2009 82 15 27 42 -2 68 182 27:00
Here is Weber's stats that yo are ooohing and aaahhhing so much about.
Yr GP G A Pts +/- PIM SOG ATOI
2005-2006 28 2 8 10 8 42 46 17:00
2006-2007 79 17 23 40 13 60 152 19:23
2007-2008 54 6 14 20 -6 49 152 19:30
2008-2009 81 23 30 53 1 80 251 23:58
Just for fun here is the reigning Norris winner's stats for the last couple of years.
Yr GP G A Pts +/- PIM SOG ATOI
2002-2003 74 9 30 39 29 116 168 24:55
2003-2004 79 16 25 41 33 147 185 24:38
2005-2006 71 16 27 43 17 135 212 27:11
2006-2007 80 11 32 43 -21 100 204 27:58
2007-2008 77 17 34 51 14 114 207 26:50
2008-2009 80 19 31 50 23 95 216 26:04
With the exception of being on a better team (both in OTT and BOS)hence better +/-, looks pretty close from 03-present no?
Bouwmeester can skate, hit, shoot, defend, pass. He may not be the number 1 guy category in all these categories but I'd say he would be top 10 in all of them. Plus he is a big boy who doesn't take any silly penalties.
I never thought that he put up those stats. Fair enough, he's pretty good. How come no one (including myself) has metioned Mike Green? I know he's not all that solid defensively but his offensive upside is huge. |
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Posted - 08/20/2009 : 20:14:43
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Originally posted by redneck76ca
I never thought that he put up those stats. Fair enough, he's pretty good. How come no one (including myself) has metioned Mike Green? I know he's not all that solid defensively but his offensive upside is huge.
Same reason McCabe and Souray won't get picked. If you picked Green, you must use another pick to take on a defensive defensemen (Komisarek) or Brick Wall (I'm surprise no team has drafted this guy yet) as your goalie.
Guys like JBo, Weber, Seabrook are exceptional young defenders with an offensive upside, rather than exceptional offensive upside with mediocre defensive abilities. Might as well choose another top flight forward. |
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Axey
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Posted - 08/20/2009 : 20:26:16
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| Getz, richards, Kovalchuk .. hands down |
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Alex116
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Posted - 08/21/2009 : 00:48:00
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7086.... I was not trying to say that JBo isn't a top tier dman. Nor was i trying to say anything to the point that he shouldn't be on Team Canada (not saying you or anyone implied this). The thing is, i was looking back to the free agent "frenzy" and everyone was considering him the best offensive defenseman available? I guess maybe he was? I just don't think he's proven himself offensively enough yet to be considered an offensive dman? He may do that soon, who knows? If he was the best available, so be it. Obviously there wasn't a bunch of offensive dmen available. With the mins he played over the last few seasons, he should have more than a .5 points per game average IMO to be considered "offensive"? Just my take.....Anyway, this is all about building a team from existing players, right? Basically what you're saying is that if you had 1st pick of any dman in the NHL as they are right now (age, health, ability, etc) that you'd take JBo? Well, if you took JBo as your dman, fine, if i got Weber with the next pick, i'd be a very happy GM. S'all good.....
redneck....Green is good, but to build a team, i think most would opt for a more well rounded dman?
7086...i agree with you comments on Souray and McCabe, sort of. I know what you mean with your comments, just don't think they're in the same class as Green who's pretty much on his own at this point (offensively). With Green's offensive ability, it wouldn't be a shock to see someone name him to their top three. However, if Souray or McCabe were named, c'mon....can you imagine the heckling the guy who posted either of their names would get? Honestly, if someone said Green, Weber and Getzlaf (i'll get a goalie later), i would suggest a goalie instead of Green for balance. However, if someone said McCabe, Weber and Getzlaf, well, they'd never hear the end of it i'm sure!
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Posted - 08/21/2009 : 06:47:07
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Yeah, there are picks here that I can understand, even though I'd take someone else. Then, there are the picks I really don't get at all.
I can take the Bouwmeester pick, even though he is not even close to being on my list. Like people said, he is a very good all-around defenceman . . . not top 5 in any category, but close to top ten in many. Green, on the other hand, was on my list of cut-offs . . . he is only the best offensive defenceman out there, the Paul Coffey of our time.
I just rated the forwards I picked as being more valuable, that's all (I picked Lundqvist, Kovalchuk, Getzlaf, btw).
The players who were my "last cuts": Green, Streit, Datsyuk, Iginla.
I can't really make fun of anyone's picks so far, except for maybe Setoguchi, and even Toews. Toews is a very good young player, but you can't compare him to the likes of Getzlaf, Kovalchuk, Iginla, Datsyuk . . . just not in the same class of player. At least, not yet. And Setoguchi is two steps below the top guys, but with the moniker of Sharksfan, I guess he had to pick at least one Shark - strange that it wasn't Thornton, who could certainly be included among the first group of elite players. Oh, and picking Hedman is more than just taking a chance . . . it's playing the lottery. Unlikely that he will turn into the next Chara, but we'll see.
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Posted - 08/21/2009 : 07:03:53
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Basically what you're saying is that if you had 1st pick of any dman in the NHL as they are right now (age, health, ability, etc) that you'd take JBo? Well, if you took JBo as your dman, fine, if i got Weber with the next pick, i'd be a very happy GM. S'all good.....
Correct, JBo is the best offensive defensemen available in this year's FA. However, he is arguably one of the top 5 defensemen in the league. Based on the criteria of this draft (which removed the likes of Pronger, Nieds, Lidstrom and Chara), I'd pick JBo over Weber.
Weber has only had one good season.
Also, .5 points per game isn't too shabby considering the top forward on Florida had what 60 points? Remember most of the time that he is on the ice, he is playing defense cause teams didn't respect Florida's offense. |
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MSC
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Posted - 08/21/2009 : 09:55:51
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Edited by - MSC on 08/21/2009 10:20:56 |
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Alex116
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Posted - 08/21/2009 : 16:00:00
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Originally posted by MSC
Who is and who isn't a FA has nothing to do with this exercise.
MSC....i only brought up the free agent comment because that's when most people were talking about him being an offensive defenseman. I was simply stating that i don't consider him that, however i do consider him a top all around dman.
5382... Where did Matt say that Pronger, Nieds, Lidstrom and Chara were "removed" from this fantasy draft? Someone actually chose Chara already i believe? He only said to exclude the Big 3 as everyone would have selected them (except for sharksfan, he'd have gone with Ovie, Crosby and Setoguchi )
As for Weber only having had one good season, yeah, i guess if you're talking about pts? Even his points aren't head and shoulders above JBo. They're both good young players, just a matter of opinion i guess..... |
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Beans15
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Posted - 08/21/2009 : 16:31:32
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I take Weber over Bouwmeester for a few reasons. Firstly, 2 years younger. Secondly, I personally think he is better offensively. 3rd, I think he is more agressive on the body. And Lastly, I think Weber is a better puck mover.
And who was it that said Weber only had one good season?? Might want to take another look at that. |
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Guest0949
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Posted - 08/21/2009 : 19:04:02
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Originally posted by Alex116
5382... Where did Matt say that Pronger, Nieds, Lidstrom and Chara were "removed" from this fantasy draft? Someone actually chose Chara already i believe? He only said to exclude the Big 3 as everyone would have selected them (except for sharksfan, he'd have gone with Ovie, Crosby and Setoguchi )
Not sure about 5382, but I wouldn't include Chara, Pronger, Nieds, or Lidstrom on my draft team based on these conditions. Why? These guys are mid to late 30s, heck Lidstrom will be going on 40. Same reason people haven't pick Iggy. I was very surprised by the Datsuyk pick. A 25 yr old Iggy or Datsuyk would definitely be on my roster. But they are over 30, hence dropped off my screening requirements.
Maybe dude excluded those Dmen because of this reason?
I'd say deadlock on Weber vs JBo. Statistically JBo is the safer bet. But for me, the tie breaker is Weber being younger hence less mileage.
I would have come to JBo's defence also based on the comments by Alex116 and Redneck. No denying Weber is a solid pick but to call JBo overrated and that there far better choices than JBo, that's a slight exaggeration.
I'm loading up front with Getzlaf, E. Staal and Fleury (the Pittsburgh model 2 super centres with a phenomenal young goalie).
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sharksfan44
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Posted - 08/21/2009 : 20:51:43
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i dont know alex, it's a tough choice between malkin and setoguchi  lol jk |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 08/21/2009 : 23:33:44
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Originally posted by sharksfan44
i dont know alex, it's a tough choice between malkin and setoguchi lol jk
sharksfan....good to see you can take a little ribbing! 
0949....Totally agree with you about the older guys. I'd have Iggy for sure if he was 25, maybe even up to 27? I guess thats what he meant when he said they were "removed" from this draft? As for JBo being "overrated", i only say this regarding his offense. Maybe i confused some here by bringing in the whole "best offensive dman in free agency this year...."? I think he's a great player. HOWEVER, i don't consider him to be all that established as an offensive dman, that's all. All around dman, for sure, but he's not anywhere near the class of what i call an offensive dman (Green, Markov, Niedermeyer, Rafalski, Lidstrom, Boyle, Streit, Souray, etc... Is he a top 5 all around dman right now? I'd say not. Prob top 10? BUT, for this "fantasy draft" Matt has put before us, then yeah, top 5 for sure thanks mostly to his age.
Slozo.... Streit almost made your squad? Interesting. He wouldn't be in my top 3 for dmen for this kind of draft but i do respect the fact that he's a pretty good dman with some serious offensive production! I'd say he's pretty underrated. AND, to be a dman on Long Island and be +5 on the season, that too impresses me! |
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redneck76ca
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Posted - 08/22/2009 : 10:33:20
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Originally posted by Alex116
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Originally posted by sharksfan44
i dont know alex, it's a tough choice between malkin and setoguchi lol jk
sharksfan....good to see you can take a little ribbing!
0949....Totally agree with you about the older guys. I'd have Iggy for sure if he was 25, maybe even up to 27? I guess thats what he meant when he said they were "removed" from this draft? As for JBo being "overrated", i only say this regarding his offense. Maybe i confused some here by bringing in the whole "best offensive dman in free agency this year...."? I think he's a great player. HOWEVER, i don't consider him to be all that established as an offensive dman, that's all. All around dman, for sure, but he's not anywhere near the class of what i call an offensive dman (Green, Markov, Niedermeyer, Rafalski, Lidstrom, Boyle, Streit, Souray, etc... Is he a top 5 all around dman right now? I'd say not. Prob top 10? BUT, for this "fantasy draft" Matt has put before us, then yeah, top 5 for sure thanks mostly to his age.
Slozo.... Streit almost made your squad? Interesting. He wouldn't be in my top 3 for dmen for this kind of draft but i do respect the fact that he's a pretty good dman with some serious offensive production! I'd say he's pretty underrated. AND, to be a dman on Long Island and be +5 on the season, that too impresses me!
Streit just too old at 32 for me to consider him in this draft. |
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Posted - 08/22/2009 : 12:05:15
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Streit is 32 . . . which makes my "under 34" cut. Iginla and Datsyuk also are young enough in my book.
Defencemen tend to peak a bit later than offensive forwards, and I feel Streit is just entering his prime years. He should ride into year 5, age 37, still producing and playing at close to this high level. There will be a drop off as he gets into the next few years, but again - not the serious drop-off that forwards usually get.
7 years is a long time, and past the contract expiry, you can never really know if the player will re-sign or not (I would not go past 7 years, even for my franchise player).
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