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ToXXiK1
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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 Posted - 09/13/2010 : 10:33:40
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1. Hamilton
2. Winnipeg
3. Quebec City
No more to the U.S. as there's enough failing teams there. Keep it in Canada where hockey sells. If it doesn't snow, it doesn't grow! Oh, and the only reason I put Hamilton first is because the other 2 have had teams in the past.
Can't see the forest for the trees? BUY A CHAINSAW !! |
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ToXXiK1
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
696 Posts |
Posted - 12/20/2010 : 02:57:46
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http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=345914
This will be the 2nd team to end up leaving Atlanta. This is why I hesistate for Quebec and Winipeg to get teams again. If it failed once before......... |
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foolpittier
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 12/20/2010 : 15:29:38
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| halifax wouldnt stand a chance, no where to play, hardly 18000 people with money to burn. were to broke to have a cfl team. plus if it did happen the goverment would find some way of messing it up. i would love to have a team but it's just not going to happen. and that is the word coming out of halifax bra. |
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chef
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 12/20/2010 : 19:40:03
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i wouldn't count Winnipeg out yet! the mts center holds 15,000 ,they could squeeze in about 3,000 more.18,000 sounds like enough seats for an nhl team . Franchises like Atlanta,Tampa,Columbus and Phoenix can't even get 4,000 a game. MTS Center is big enough and Winnipeg is still waiting!
Jets Come back!
Habs for the Cup |
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Guest4725
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Posted - 12/21/2010 : 12:08:38
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| To clear up something that I've seen here a few times from skimming through this chat. Winnipeg WILL NOT expand the MTS Centre. Repeat, will not expand. They cannot, and do not want to. As Mark Chipman (President of TNSE, owners of the arena) said, the expansion of the arena makes no sense. Adding seats in the upper decks are the most expensive to build, and generate the least revenue. An 18,000 seat capacity lowers demand for tickets. |
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Guest4803
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Posted - 12/21/2010 : 13:13:14
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| It be great if winnipeg could get another nhl team...that way the moose would more then likely move, Victoria needs some better hockey then ECHL(only Canadian team) we cant support a NHL team but we could support an AHL team. Abbotsford already have the flames affiliate so that would make for a great rivalry, if not it would be nice to at least get the WHL back in the Capital City. |
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Altius
Top Prospect
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Posted - 02/21/2011 : 01:46:38
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hi check out information about Canada Games 2011, schedule, winter game events, venues, sports, participating cities, medal tally and more here..
Canada Games 2011
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Posted - 02/21/2011 : 07:05:51
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Guest 4725 - and yet, to counter your point on the MTS Centre in Winnipeg, Mr. Don Cherry spoke during the winter classic yesterday on just that, and assured all Canadians that there would be a hockey team in Winnipeg soon, and he seemed to think the MTS thing could work.
Not that I like him or anything, but . . . Ron McLean was right there and didn't even cut him off on that point, so, to me that says something. And, I have heard other commentators say it could work as well . . . but, I have to say, it doesn't give the NHL that perfect option yet, for sure.
Which is why the first team to come back to Canada should go to Toronto! 
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 02/21/2011 : 08:18:35
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Hey Slozo, was stadium in TO (or anywhere else for that matter) is bigger and/or newer than MTS in Winnipeg?? It is the most viable 'Canadian" option today, at least until the stadium in QC is built.
That is why I personally see a team going to Kansas City next. They built the Sprint Center for the potential expansion of basketball and hockey. It hold 17,700 for hockey and KC is know for it's rabid NFL fan base.
Not at all saying I would like to see a team in KC before a team in Canada, but having a facility like that already built and very new does make them a very viable option if local (stable) ownership can be established. |
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JonPolley
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 02/21/2011 : 08:28:48
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| probably going to sound foolish to you guys but I seriously think they should look in Atlantic Canada and have it in New Brunswick as a Maritime team. YOu could draw fans from Moncton, Halifax, Saint John, Fredericton.. I think it could possibly work. They need a new arena to do it but I think it could be viable. |
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doublechamp7
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 02/21/2011 : 13:09:15
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Originally posted by JonPolley
probably going to sound foolish to you guys but I seriously think they should look in Atlantic Canada and have it in New Brunswick as a Maritime team. YOu could draw fans from Moncton, Halifax, Saint John, Fredericton.. I think it could possibly work. They need a new arena to do it but I think it could be viable.
This could work with Winnipeg too, it might draw in people from saskatchewan ocassionally...
Bring back the Jets! |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 02/21/2011 : 13:32:23
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Ya, like having a team in Kelowna would draft people from the interior of BC too, right??
Firstly, people don't travel that far for hockey. Maybe the odd week end game or early on during the honeymoon phase, but not long term. A team needs the access to at least 750,000 people within a reasonable drive of the stadium to be stable.
And that is just the fan base. What about the corporate money that is the real life line of these teams solvency. Not saying there isn't corporate money in Atlantic Canada, but no nearly that of QC, Winnipeg(not that great either), the GTA, and some of the attractive US markets like KC. |
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JonPolley
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 02/21/2011 : 20:13:16
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| Corporate money in Atlantic Canada?.. There is that little ma and pa organization called the Irvings.. but no you're right other then that there isn't a lot. Maybe a public ownership of the team could happen.. or the governments of the Atlantic provinces could come up with some sort of deal together. I don't know exactly how it would work and its probably just a pipe dream, I just would like to see if it could happen. |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 02/21/2011 : 20:42:49
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Yes, I am quite aware of the Irvings and they money they have. But that simply isn't enough. For example, Edmonton is owned by a Billionairre. They still have majors sponsors such as Rexall Drugs (owned by the same D. Katz), Ford, Telus, Air Canada, and Molson's to name a few. It takes more than one.
Secondly, not every team is the Leafs and are monster money makers. The vast majority of NHL teams break even or actually lose money. In fact, looking at Forbes list from last year, 16 teams lost money. Furthermore, there are only 8 teams that have a return on the value of the team of more than 4%. If the team is not Toronto, Montreal, NYR, Vancouver, Chicago, Detroit, Edmonton, of Philadelphia, the owner would have made more money putting his cash into a GIC than in the NHL team. Sports teams are a horrible investment unless they are NFL football teams or English Soccer teams. They are the only sports that I am aware of that make money(all of them) regardless of the product.
No government or group of governments will put taxpayers money into play in a sports team that does not make cash. There is a higher chance of seeing a team in Helsinki or Moscow before Moncton. The financials just don't work. I appreciate you wanting it to happen but it simply never will. |
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Posted - 02/21/2011 : 21:50:23
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Guest0965
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Posted - 02/21/2011 : 22:36:13
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| when the world juniors was in saskatchewan...the building was electric!! |
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JonPolley
Top Prospect
Canada
49 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2011 : 13:20:05
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| I've said that before actually.. I have said Regina might be an option as well. I think a team there would be like the RoughRiders in teh CFL and they could draw from the whole province |
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fat_elvis_rocked
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 02/22/2011 : 14:08:54
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I was watching some of the alumni game on Saturday and the panel on there, Glenn Healy et al., stated that Atlanta is in huge trouble, and unless they find a suitable buyer, that can keep the team in Atlanta, in the next couple weeks, the team is moving to Winnipeg, for exactly some of the reasons stated. State of the art facility, albeit smallish, some dedicated corporate sponsorship, and a proven hockey market. I was surprised at how candidly they talked about it.
Regarding Regina, where I live, nice thought, but no way it could even begin to support an NHL team long, or even medium term. 8 rider games a year is one thing, but 41 hockey games at who knows what for ticket prices? Not a chance.
What I think could be go over tremendously well here though, would be a winter Classic type of game. Mosaic Stadium held 45,000 plus for the Rolling Stones, twice in one weekend(I was at both shows), which surprised a great deal of the world, but a Montreal - Toronto game, outdoors, in regular season? It would work, and sell, just as easily if not easier.
Saskatchewan has as devout, and knowledgeable, fans as anywhere, and per capita, probably outdoes most bigger markets, the Riders are proof.
Bring the Winter Classic to the home of Howe!!! The shrine of Shore!!! The backyard of many, many NHL greats, and as deserving of this as any location. |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 02/22/2011 : 14:20:00
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FER, I feel for you having to sit through 2 Stone Concerts........
You are dead on about Regina. There is this assumption that people are going to travel for 6+ hours to go to a hockey game 41 times a season in places like Saskatchewan or Atlantic Canada in the in the winter. It is simply unrealistics. Sure, the WJC was rockin, but that's a 10 day event, not a 10 yr commitment.
I do love the idea of the Heritage Classic type game in Regina. Sell out in a heartbeat. Brilliant plan. |
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JonPolley
Top Prospect
Canada
49 Posts |
Posted - 02/24/2011 : 06:07:04
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| The Classic is a great idea actually. They want to add more games next year and having at least a game or two in non NHL cities would be a great idea. My city for a franchise was for Moncton because it was pretty much central but if it was just one game like the Classic then I say bring it to Saint John, best arena in the Maritimes - Harbour Station. none better. Would love to see a game here like that. |
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Guest4623
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Posted - 02/25/2011 : 08:52:19
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| Oh please wish this topic would Drop already Moooose all the way No need for NHL in winnipeg.. I pay 34 bux for center line 4 row lower bowl for a Moose game.. If that a NHL game would cost more like 200 plus..Awesome hockey ... No to the NHL in WINNIPEG.. |
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doublechamp7
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
278 Posts |
Posted - 02/25/2011 : 09:04:55
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I like the idea of a game in the Maritimes. The CFL had their touchdown Atlantic there and it was a success. A game in Sask. would be good, and every year there is a pre- season game in Wpg already.
Bring back the Jets! |
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what city for YOUR franchise? 
