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Guest7752
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 Posted - 11/24/2009 : 12:42:48
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Originally posted by Tiller33
You high slappy? Kessel has 9 pts in ten games while carrying Matt stajan on his back so the Marc Savrd line doesn't play here. As for Antropov ya he was playing with a crap team one of which he was a part of and couldn't make better definately the sign of a good player. Kessel is on an even worse team statisticly and is excelling.
There's a lot of dirty old occ's around thats the problem
9 points in 10 games compared to 20 points in 20 games with +10...
And Kessel is better because he's carrying someone on his back!!!!
Who's high here?
I never saw anyone on Kessel's back - step out of your box sloppy. Try facing reality with both your eyes open.
You leaf fans are unbelievable!
I guess that's what happens when your entire city had loser teams... |
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baumer
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Posted - 11/24/2009 : 12:57:28
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| I was actually about to make a valid point about Phil Kessel until I saw someone say that Nik Antropov is better. Now after throwing up multiple times and regaining consciousness I can say this. Antropov is 8 years older than Kessel, plays with one of the leagues elite scorers, (notice the 19 assists, and one goal) and has never scored more than 28 goals in a season. If those stats prove him to be better I must be missing something. Good players make bad teams better and Antropov has never done that. I'm pretty sure Kovalchuk would still be top 5 in goals without him and the Thrashers would still be a borderline playoff team. Antropov was on a line with Mats Sundin for years and proved to the league that hes nmothing more than a seconf line player at best. |
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Porkchop73
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Posted - 11/24/2009 : 14:46:06
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Couple of things,
First, good to see you posting again 7752, I am sure everyone missed your uncanny ability to find something horrible in every Leaf topic. Not surprising since you are in love with Bob Gainey and everything Habs. Thats OK I look forward to your posts
Second, I think I have just read the most positive comment from Beans about any Leaf since i joined PH forums. Surely you can't like Kessel, he is a Leaf you know.
I would like to point out one more thing that impressed me about Kessel. He has been giving 100% every shift i have watched him. I also like that he thinks he is going to score everytime he is on the ice. He is at pace to score over 50 goals this year should he keep going. It is hard to believe he is doing it without Savard to pass him the puck. Surely he will never keep this pace when he figures out that Savard is not getting an assist.
To be honest, Kessel has impressed me more than I thought he would. He is no OV or Crosby but he is a dynamic player, certainly a true top 3 forward on any team. TO has not had a player like him for awhile, which is why some fans are excited. Maybe over excited but hey it wouldn't be a leaf fan if they didn't exaggerate a little bit.
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Tiller33
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Posted - 11/24/2009 : 21:17:54
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Originally posted by Guest7752
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Originally posted by Tiller33
You high slappy? Kessel has 9 pts in ten games while carrying Matt stajan on his back so the Marc Savrd line doesn't play here. As for Antropov ya he was playing with a crap team one of which he was a part of and couldn't make better definately the sign of a good player. Kessel is on an even worse team statisticly and is excelling.
There's a lot of dirty old occ's around thats the problem
9 points in 10 games compared to 20 points in 20 games with +10...
And Kessel is better because he's carrying someone on his back!!!!
Who's high here?
I never saw anyone on Kessel's back - step out of your box sloppy. Try facing reality with both your eyes open.
You leaf fans are unbelievable!
I guess that's what happens when your entire city had loser teams...
uh oh Nic's off Kovalchuck's line he's on a line with Peverly and Armstrong but I'm sure he'll still be a point pre game player right? So essentially you equated having Matt Stajan on your line to having Ilya Kovalchuck if you are saying that 9 pts in 10 ten games is worse than 19 assists and one goal in 20. Oh and by the way Peverley is the guy in the middle who is holding up the tent for the Antropov side show.
Trust me I watched for years for the magic from Antropov and it never came, like baumer said he played with an elite player in Sundin as well as with guys like Mogilny and Roberts and never thrived so face the music he's an assits poaching plug.
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Guest7752
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Posted - 11/25/2009 : 07:49:39
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Trust me I watched for years for the magic from Antropov and it never came, like baumer said he played with an elite player in Sundin as well as with guys like Mogilny and Roberts and never thrived so face the music he's an assits poaching plug.
There's a lot of dirty old occ's around thats the problem
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You're contradictng yourself.
So now you're saying he "DID" play on good lines in Toronto and did nothing.
Ealier you said he's only doing well now becuase of the "good" line he is on.
So - what you are REALLY saying is that Toronto NEVER had a real "good" line even with "good" players such as Sundin, Mogilny, and Roberts.
Again, step out of your box and face it man. You're over-rating the Leafs, Burke, and Wilson as well as Sundin, Mogilny and Roberts. You're under-rating Antropov.
However - you're not over-rating Kessel.
Speaking of assists, so what that anyone has more assists than goals... that's a sign of a decent set-up man!!
You would have known that if you played hockey instead of watching Toronto games commented on by Toronto media.
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 11/25/2009 : 08:24:32
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Originally posted by Guest7752
Trust me I watched for years for the magic from Antropov and it never came, like baumer said he played with an elite player in Sundin as well as with guys like Mogilny and Roberts and never thrived so face the music he's an assits poaching plug.
There's a lot of dirty old occ's around thats the problem
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You're contradictng yourself.
So now you're saying he "DID" play on good lines in Toronto and did nothing.
Ealier you said he's only doing well now becuase of the "good" line he is on.
So - what you are REALLY saying is that Toronto NEVER had a real "good" line even with "good" players such as Sundin, Mogilny, and Roberts.
Again, step out of your box and face it man. You're over-rating the Leafs, Burke, and Wilson as well as Sundin, Mogilny and Roberts. You're under-rating Antropov.
However - you're not over-rating Kessel.
Speaking of assists, so what that anyone has more assists than goals... that's a sign of a decent set-up man!!
You would have known that if you played hockey instead of watching Toronto games commented on by Toronto media.
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Id take this more seriously if you werent on such an obvious anti leaf crusade. Keep pushing buttons my friend, it obviously seems to keep you amused.
If Antropov was still a Leaf, you would be ripping him hard. You know it, we all know it.
Sundin, Mogilny and Roberts were all twice the player antropov is and were a badass line. Don't care what anyone says.
The Leafs do miss antopov's production right now, no doubt, but Phil Kessel is and will continue to be, the better player.
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Guest8144
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Posted - 11/25/2009 : 08:27:17
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Originally posted by Beans15
Here's the things with Kessel. Some will always like the deal, others will hate it and it's completely subjective. The picks are gone now and it will be impossible to say if the Leafs would have picked the same players with the pick as Boston will.
For example, the Oilers traded Marty Reasoner and a 1st round pick to Boston a few seasons back for Sergei Samsonov. The Oilers had short term success as they made the 7th game of the Cup Final and Samsonov contributed with 15 points. Boston picked Milan Lucic with that 1st round pick. Good deal??? Not sure. Would the Oilers have even picked Lucic?? Not sure.
One thing is undeniable, the Leafs have not only produced more but have looked better and have higher point totals in the games since Kessel came.
He's earning my respect, one shift at a time. That's not an easy task for any Leaf player.
Lucic was a 2nd round pick.... |
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Tiller33
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Posted - 11/25/2009 : 08:33:26
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Well considering Roberts and Mogilny were both 50 goal scorers throughout their career (Mogilny sniped 76 in 77 games in 93) don't quite think i'm overrating them. And youre right the good set up man on that line is peverley not the poacher, and like I said I could have 70 pts in assits in a season playing with Kovalchuck. Antropov never scored more than 59 pts in a season how can you call that a good setup man? He wasn't even a point per game player in europe. Are you that simple that you can't see he's being held up by Peverley and Kovalchuck?
No i never contradicted myself he played on bad teams, all around, doesn't mean he didn't play with good players. And as has been stated many times already but you evidently don't have the wherewithal to comprehend (try hooked on phonics) Good players make bad teams better, he made a bad team worse.
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Edited by - Tiller33 on 11/25/2009 08:37:38 |
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Beans15
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Posted - 11/25/2009 : 10:18:25
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Originally posted by Guest8144
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Originally posted by Beans15
Here's the things with Kessel. Some will always like the deal, others will hate it and it's completely subjective. The picks are gone now and it will be impossible to say if the Leafs would have picked the same players with the pick as Boston will.
For example, the Oilers traded Marty Reasoner and a 1st round pick to Boston a few seasons back for Sergei Samsonov. The Oilers had short term success as they made the 7th game of the Cup Final and Samsonov contributed with 15 points. Boston picked Milan Lucic with that 1st round pick. Good deal??? Not sure. Would the Oilers have even picked Lucic?? Not sure.
One thing is undeniable, the Leafs have not only produced more but have looked better and have higher point totals in the games since Kessel came.
He's earning my respect, one shift at a time. That's not an easy task for any Leaf player.
Lucic was a 2nd round pick....
You are right, my bad. It was a 2nd round pick, Reasoner, and Yan Stastny for Samsonov.
Regardless, my point is that no one really knows what a trade for draft picks is worth and no one ever will know because there is no way to know if the sames players would be picked in the same spot by different teams. |
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Guest7752
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Posted - 11/25/2009 : 11:02:48
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Originally posted by Tiller33
Well considering Roberts and Mogilny were both 50 goal scorers throughout their career (Mogilny sniped 76 in 77 games in 93) don't quite think i'm overrating them. And youre right the good set up man on that line is peverley not the poacher, and like I said I could have 70 pts in assits in a season playing with Kovalchuck. Antropov never scored more than 59 pts in a season how can you call that a good setup man? He wasn't even a point per game player in europe. Are you that simple that you can't see he's being held up by Peverley and Kovalchuck?
No i never contradicted myself he played on bad teams, all around, doesn't mean he didn't play with good players. And as has been stated many times already but you evidently don't have the wherewithal to comprehend (try hooked on phonics) Good players make bad teams better, he made a bad team worse.
There's a lot of dirty old occ's around thats the problem
That's some nice tough talk there buddy. But try to keep your emotions towards your leafs from blinding you.
I'm sure it's not the same tone you had when Antropov became a leaf.
I can't wait to hear your idiotic comments on Kessel once he moves on and back to a pro NHL team.
You may want to stay away from the thesaurus dictionary - it makes you look bad when you pretend it's phonics you're preaching. |
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Tiller33
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 11/25/2009 : 12:20:04
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two words ... Scott Gomez ... Gainey loses
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Edited by - Tiller33 on 11/25/2009 12:20:38 |
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Leafs81
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 11/25/2009 : 12:21:26
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Originally posted by Guest7752
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Originally posted by Tiller33
You high slappy? Kessel has 9 pts in ten games while carrying Matt stajan on his back so the Marc Savrd line doesn't play here. As for Antropov ya he was playing with a crap team one of which he was a part of and couldn't make better definately the sign of a good player. Kessel is on an even worse team statisticly and is excelling.
There's a lot of dirty old occ's around thats the problem
9 points in 10 games compared to 20 points in 20 games with +10...
And Kessel is better because he's carrying someone on his back!!!!
Who's high here?
I never saw anyone on Kessel's back - step out of your box sloppy. Try facing reality with both your eyes open.
You leaf fans are unbelievable!
I guess that's what happens when your entire city had loser teams...
Ok are you trying to say Antropov is better then Kessel?????
If not, what's your point????
We all know Kessel is better then Antropov so leave it there. |
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baumer
Top Prospect
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Posted - 11/25/2009 : 13:05:26
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Originally posted by Guest7752
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Originally posted by Tiller33
Well considering Roberts and Mogilny were both 50 goal scorers throughout their career (Mogilny sniped 76 in 77 games in 93) don't quite think i'm overrating them. And youre right the good set up man on that line is peverley not the poacher, and like I said I could have 70 pts in assits in a season playing with Kovalchuck. Antropov never scored more than 59 pts in a season how can you call that a good setup man? He wasn't even a point per game player in europe. Are you that simple that you can't see he's being held up by Peverley and Kovalchuck?
No i never contradicted myself he played on bad teams, all around, doesn't mean he didn't play with good players. And as has been stated many times already but you evidently don't have the wherewithal to comprehend (try hooked on phonics) Good players make bad teams better, he made a bad team worse.
There's a lot of dirty old occ's around thats the problem
That's some nice tough talk there buddy. But try to keep your emotions towards your leafs from blinding you.
I'm sure it's not the same tone you had when Antropov became a leaf.
I can't wait to hear your idiotic comments on Kessel once he moves on and back to a pro NHL team.
You may want to stay away from the thesaurus dictionary - it makes you look bad when you pretend it's phonics you're preaching.
Are you serious? Antropov was one of the most hated players of the decade. Take your head out of your exit and realize that when he was here, he was taken off the first line and replaced by Jonas Hoglund, (twice), Lonny Bohonos, among others. Check your facts before you post. But I guess as a Habs fan those rose coloured glasses cloud your vision. Gomez + Gionta+ Cammalleri = 19$ million. Nearly half the cap. Someone should tell Gainey he's not in Dallas anymore. |
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Posted - 11/25/2009 : 20:19:07
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Wouldn't go that far - Antropov was never hated in Toronto, no - would not say that at all. He was a quiet, awkward sort of guy, and he had some skill . . . just frustrating to watch at times. Ok, a lot of the time. The injuries were frustrating, the never-quite-there as a first liner thing was frustrating, seeing his skills at times.
But enough of that - this is about Kessel. And the Leafs won tonight, without Kessel getting a point!
Burke wins again. 
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