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Guest2872
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 Posted - 02/04/2010 : 14:44:32
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Poll Question:
Who do you think is the best Playmaker in the league
''GO SHARKS GO''
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tbar
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Posted - 02/04/2010 : 14:48:30
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| I suggest you create an account here so if you dont like your first or second poll you can edit it instead of making three of them |
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Guest2872
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Posted - 02/04/2010 : 14:51:14
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| I DIDNT MEAN TO I ACCIDENETALLY PRESSED ENTER TWO TIMES BEFORE I GOT WHAT I WANTED |
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Guest4672
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Posted - 02/04/2010 : 14:55:22
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| Where's Tim Connoly or Marc Savard? |
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Sensfan101
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Canada
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Posted - 02/04/2010 : 15:02:50
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| Wheres Spezza? |
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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 02/04/2010 : 15:40:46
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1. Joe Thornton
2. Sidney Crosby
Irvine/prez. |
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JOSHUACANADA
PickupHockey Veteran
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Posted - 02/04/2010 : 16:12:50
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Originally posted by Sensfan101
Wheres Spezza?
He's playing like a top 10er now, but these other's have been doing it all year. Polls are always what have you done for me lately. I actually figure Thorton heads and tails above the others as a playmaking setup guy. As a guy who can creat his own scoring opportunities its between Ovechkin, Kovalchuk and Gaborik. |
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ryan93
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Posted - 02/04/2010 : 20:38:32
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Originally posted by Guest4672
Where's Tim Connoly or Marc Savard?
Out of all of the people not chosen to represent their countries at the Olympic Games, Tim Connolly is the one that surprised me the most. I thought for sure he'd be named to team USA. |
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 02/05/2010 : 02:49:08
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Originally posted by ryan93
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Originally posted by Guest4672
Where's Tim Connoly or Marc Savard?
Out of all of the people not chosen to represent their countries at the Olympic Games, Tim Connolly is the one that surprised me the most. I thought for sure he'd be named to team USA.
Just more proof Burke is a biased idiot. The rest of the NHL knows Connoly is a star but big Burke cant see the forest for the tree's |
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Guest5931
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Posted - 02/07/2010 : 20:00:41
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| it nick backstrom,all his goals are pure skill,hemsky's second |
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Beans15
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Posted - 02/07/2010 : 20:30:43
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Drew Brees!!
Kidding, but honestly I have been a Saint's fan since I started watching football and this is an epic day, meaning I have also drank an epic number of beers, am assuming I will have an epic hangover in the am, and therefore will require an epic excuse for calling in sick to work.
Does anyone have any suggestions???
I think you need to look quickly to San Jose to see the best playmaker in the league. Big Joe has had most assists in a season since 92/93 and came within 4 assists of joining only Gretzky, Lemieux, and some guy who played in Boston in the 70's in the elusive 100 assists season club.
I mean please, Joe Thorton hasn't had a sub 50 assists season since 02!!!
Shhh, don't look now, but he's already at 58 assists and is on pace for 80+ against this season.
I don't think many would argue. Big Joe is the man. I can't wait to see him set up the Gold Medal winning goal as well as take the Sharks to the Cup this year.
(Ok, maybe not the latter, but let's cheer for the Gold!!) |
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freddyboy
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Posted - 02/07/2010 : 21:41:12
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Originally posted by Beans15
Drew Brees!!
Kidding, but honestly I have been a Saint's fan since I started watching football and this is an epic day, meaning I have also drank an epic number of beers, am assuming I will have an epic hangover in the am, and therefore will require an epic excuse for calling in sick to work.
Does anyone have any suggestions???
I think you need to look quickly to San Jose to see the best playmaker in the league. Big Joe has had most assists in a season since 92/93 and came within 4 assists of joining only Gretzky, Lemieux, and some guy who played in Boston in the 70's in the elusive 100 assists season club.
I mean please, Joe Thorton hasn't had a sub 50 assists season since 02!!!
Shhh, don't look now, but he's already at 58 assists and is on pace for 80+ against this season.
I don't think many would argue. Big Joe is the man. I can't wait to see him set up the Gold Medal winning goal as well as take the Sharks to the Cup this year.
(Ok, maybe not the latter, but let's cheer for the Gold!!)
Drew Brees and Sean Payton, nice onside kick to start the second half!!
to answer the question, Joe thorton hands down
joe is a god, if u dont agree....i dont care |
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Axey
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Posted - 02/08/2010 : 05:50:11
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Originally posted by freddyboy
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Originally posted by Beans15
Drew Brees!!
Kidding, but honestly I have been a Saint's fan since I started watching football and this is an epic day, meaning I have also drank an epic number of beers, am assuming I will have an epic hangover in the am, and therefore will require an epic excuse for calling in sick to work.
Does anyone have any suggestions???
I think you need to look quickly to San Jose to see the best playmaker in the league. Big Joe has had most assists in a season since 92/93 and came within 4 assists of joining only Gretzky, Lemieux, and some guy who played in Boston in the 70's in the elusive 100 assists season club.
I mean please, Joe Thorton hasn't had a sub 50 assists season since 02!!!
Shhh, don't look now, but he's already at 58 assists and is on pace for 80+ against this season.
I don't think many would argue. Big Joe is the man. I can't wait to see him set up the Gold Medal winning goal as well as take the Sharks to the Cup this year.
(Ok, maybe not the latter, but let's cheer for the Gold!!)
Drew Brees and Sean Payton, nice onside kick to start the second half!!
to answer the question, Joe thorton hands down
joe is a god, if u dont agree....i dont care
I totally called that on side kick. LOL Not being serious though of course, just was like onside kick .. not thinking it was going to happen, near died when it did though. Sick play. Also i said the score would be 31-18 Saints last Tuesday to a couple buddies, and before the game started .. how close can ya get ?
But back on topic, Thornton takes the title today. The guy has a sick vision for the ice and is always thinking pass rather than shoot. |
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Guest7092
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Posted - 02/08/2010 : 09:49:29
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| big Joe....for sure..... |
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ryan93
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Posted - 02/08/2010 : 09:50:02
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| Joe Thornton for me as well. |
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sharksfan44
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Posted - 02/08/2010 : 12:04:13
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| take one look at my avatar and take a wild guess. joe thornton. Period. |
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Guest7309
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Posted - 02/08/2010 : 12:22:58
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Originally posted by sharksfan44
take one look at my avatar and take a wild guess. joe thornton. Period.
wuts ur deal one of the lamest things ive ever heard anyone say |
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Posted - 02/08/2010 : 16:44:58
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I say Henrik Sedin.
You know, Thornton has not impressed me of late, and to be a great playmaker requires great finishers as well . . . and some have forgotten that Heatley and Marleau are proven, elite goal scorers who don't need a Thornton to finish.
From what I have seen of San Jose and Vancouver games, Henrik has been by far the most impressive of the two, with some fantastic passes and incredible view on the ice. And I don't mean to pile on Joe here, as I really think he's an awesome playmaker, but I don't even put him second - that spot, I reserve for the young Backstrom, who is also just amazing and is another huge reason for the Caps amazing success this year.
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irvine
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Posted - 02/08/2010 : 17:22:03
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I have to go with Thornton, still. This guy does it regular season after regular season it seems.
He's always tops among NHL players, in assists. Even before Heatley, and when Marleau was playing second line. He turned Cheechoo in to a 50 goal scorer, has given life to Setoguchi, and has contributed to the success of others during his career. Joe is the man, when you want a playmaker.
I'm not going to argue though... Backstrom & H. Sedin are both excellent at what they do, even D. Sedin.
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 02/08/2010 : 21:45:41
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Originally posted by irvine
I have to go with Thornton, still. This guy does it regular season after regular season it seems.
He's always tops among NHL players, in assists. Even before Heatley, and when Marleau was playing second line. He turned Cheechoo in to a 50 goal scorer, has given life to Setoguchi, and has contributed to the success of others during his career. Joe is the man, when you want a playmaker.
I'm not going to argue though... Backstrom & H. Sedin are both excellent at what they do, even D. Sedin.
Irvine/prez.
Total agreement here. Did anyone think Heatley wouldn't be in the top ten for goals, or putting Marleau on the top line wouldn't vault him into a career year. Is anyone betting against Big Joe being in the top ten for points this year maybe even top spot. The other 2 are on the line but the line wouldn't dominate at this level without Joe. |
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Guest6840
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Posted - 03/15/2010 : 22:10:31
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| I think Henrik Sedin has the best potential to be the best play maker, as for now its not Crosby because he is a goal scorer, Not Datsyuk because he is a Dangler, Thornton is the Current best playmaker. I don't think i saw Stasny on there. |
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Posted - 03/16/2010 : 05:21:39
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Is it becoming clearer now, hmmm?
Remember at the beginning of the season when everyone thought Heater was a shoo-in for another 50 goal season once he was paired up with Thornton? 36 goals right now, and he's not even the leading scorer on his own team, which happens to be an offensive juggernaut.
Let's face it - Thornton is a very, very good passer . . . but his time is done. All hail King Henrik, who is showing everyone who the best passer is!
Now, if you argue that it is just incredible chemistry (we ARE talking twins here, right?) that inflates Henrik Sedin's assist totals, then you'd have a point worth investigating, as the twins have always been paired together, have incredible chemistry with each other, and it's only natural that this might skew the picture. Luckily for our figuring, Daniel was injured for a significant portion of the season this year, so let's see how Henrik did with Daniel for 19 games:
Without brother Daniel - 10g, 10a, 20 pts in 19 games.
With brother Daniel - 18g, 55a, 73 pts in 50 games
As expected, there is a drop in points without his brother, and interestingly there is also an increase in goals. One wonders if there was another elite passer on the team if Henrik could get well over 40 goals a year if he wanted. To me, it just says that Daniel is not nearly as good a passer, and that Henrik might also be a better goal scorer. But you can read into it in a myriad of ways, of course . . .
Anyways, I remain unconvinced that Thornton is still the best, and think that he has been de-throned . . . all hail King Henrik! 
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
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Beans15
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Posted - 03/16/2010 : 07:31:27
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Slozo, really quick and simple.
Marleau best season before this year in goals was 38. He's got 41 with 14 games to play, so he will more than likely hit 45+ playing with Thornton. Heatley at 36 goals will more than likely hit over 40 as well.TSN's projections has Marleau to get 49 goals, and Heatley to get 43.
Thornton's line mates will combine for over 90 goals.
Vancouver will not have a single 40 goal scorer and taking out Henrik, it takes their top 3 scorers PLUS their top scoring defensemen to match what 2 of Thornton's line mates produce.
You have great points to say that Sedin is a great passer, but I think it's more than a stretch to say that the torch has been passed. Now if Sedin does significally better this playoffs and next season, you might have more of an argument. When Sedin has 70+ assists in 3 of 6 seasons and 2 of them over 90, then even I will agree.
Until then, Sedin is a very solid #2.
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Posted - 03/16/2010 : 07:41:31
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But here's the thing Beans, as you pointed out how great Heatley and Marleau have been doing, you are making my point for me:
Who is doing so great on Vancouver besides Daniel Sedin, a 2nd tier scorer and average passer?
When you look at great talents like a Crosby, you often shake your head as you look at his linemate totals and wonder how he got all those assists (like last year was a great example of that). Well, it's because he is a supreme talent.
I would make the same argument for Henrik - IF Burrows or Kesler were the scorers that a HEatley or Marleau are right now . . . who is to say that Henrik wouldn't just be leading Thornton in assists (ahem), but that he would be gunning for a 100 assist season?
All we have to deal with are hypotheticals . . . but you can't seriously say that Henrik is playing with the talent that Thornton is playing with RIGHT NOW.
Thoughts?
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
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Beans15
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Posted - 03/16/2010 : 08:04:27
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Good Point. I won't argue that he is a great playmaker and as I said, solid #2 with a huge gap between him and #3 and a pretty small game between him and Big Joe at #1
Realistically, looking purely at numbers, Marleau is on pace to beat his career year in scoring by 30%. So are Burrow and Samuelsson. The difference is that Marleau's increase is coming without an noticable increase in ice time.
So let's look at a couple of things:
Marleau - 09 time on ice = 21:21, 10 time on ice 21:15
09 time on PP/Game=3:54, 10 time on PP/Game=3:23
Heatley - 09 time on ice = 20:06, 10 time on ice 20:14
09 time on PP/Game=4:05, 10 time on PP/Game=3:19
Burrows - 09 time on ice = 16:50, 10 time on ice 17:44
09 time on PP/Game=0:27, 10 time on PP/Game=1:24
Samuelsson - 09 time on ice = 15:22, 10 time on ice 17:21
09 time on PP/Game=2:44, 10 time on PP/Game=3:04
So, while Marleau and Heatley's time has basically stayed the same over all, both have dropped on the PP yet both their productions are going to be higher than last year.
Samuelsson and Burrow both not only increased their ice time by a minute a game or more, both have had that increase of time on the PP.
That says something to me and it logically explains how Burrow and Samuelsson have increased production. But with less PP time, one would expect production for Marleau and Thorton to drop. Why are both increasing over last year, specifically Marleau???
To answer your questions, if you were to hypothetically switch Sedin and Thornton on their respective teams, I don't really think you see much difference at all. Both are superior playmakers and proven time and again to make the players around them better and more productive. I mean, we are talking about 2 guys separated by 2 assists over 67 games.
Really, we are splitting hairs here. It comes down to personal preference because you can't go wrong with either guy.
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Guest6840
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Posted - 03/16/2010 : 12:58:58
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| Thornton has not been dethroned yet but with Thornton just past the top of his career and slowly propelling down Henrik is not yet at the top. you can argue that the Sedins will not get any better even as a Canucks fan I said that many time in the past few years but the keep proving me wrong i say they have 3 more years left and soon Henrik will be tallying up 130 point seasons. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 03/16/2010 : 13:08:32
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Originally posted by Guest6840
Thornton has not been dethroned yet but with Thornton just past the top of his career and slowly propelling down Henrik is not yet at the top. you can argue that the Sedins will not get any better even as a Canucks fan I said that many time in the past few years but the keep proving me wrong i say they have 3 more years left and soon Henrik will be tallying up 130 point seasons.
What??? If Thornton is on his down swing, so is Henrik! They are barely a year apart in age. Thornton was born July/79 and Sedin Sept/80!!!
How is Thornton propelling down and Sedin still climbing??
C'mon. |
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Guest6840
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Posted - 03/16/2010 : 13:16:53
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| It doesn't make much sense to me also but as i said Thorntons points are going down SLOWLY very slowly maybe even staying very still; Henrik I cant even believe is increasing his points yet he already surpassed his 82 points last year which was never supposed to be topped by him; he is going far and beyond it is CLOSE to Thorntons 100 points to stop. (if i am wrong i am happy because Thornton was my favorite player for a while) |
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Alex116
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Posted - 03/16/2010 : 13:39:17
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So tough to call this one. The main reason for me is the chemistry between Daniel and Henrik. Trust me, i see them more than most of you on the board here and it's crazy how well these two play together. It's as if they have some sort of set play every now and then that they know where the other's gonna be. I noticed the other night when Henrik threw a blind pass to where Daniel was trying to go, it became a turnover and some prob shook their heads wondering why he threw the puck where he did (it ended up on the stick of the opposing team). Thing is, Daniel got blocked/bumped and had to go behind the net instead of into the slot where the pass went and where Henrik expected him to do. When it works, these guys look magic, otherwise in examples like this, it can look bad. Lucky for the Canucks, it more often works.
I do think Thornton is still on top and agree Henrik will have to top his totals for at least a couple years to convince me otherwise. It would be really interesting to see what each would do if they switched spots and Hank was centering Heatley and Marleau and Big Joe had Daniel and Burrows/Samuellson as his wingers?
A lot of what ifs and a tough question really! |
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