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Guest4652
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Posted - 05/08/2009 :  04:40:30  Reply with Quote
Dryden. His save % is way up there, even if he only faced like 7 shots a game it seemed. Short career by choice. Stanley Cup winner, Summit Series winner. Winner period.
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Posted - 05/08/2009 :  04:44:28  Reply with Quote
By the way, Patrick Roy has LOST more game 7's than any other goalie in history. This is true. All this talk of him being "clutch" and "money" are overblown. Great run in 86 and in 93, but best ever? Laughable really when you look at facts and stats.
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 05/08/2009 :  06:13:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You are missing so many greats, this poll can't work simply because there's not enough room for all....

Should be on this list....
- Curtis Joseph
- Ed Belfour
- Johnny Bower
- Grant Fuhr
- Mike Richter

....I can go on, and on, and on! :P

"Everytime you step out onto the ice, it's a clean slate, anyone can win"
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rross
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Posted - 05/08/2009 :  07:36:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by nashvillepreds

[quote]Originally posted by Alex

He patented the butterfly and turned the goalie position into a much more glorified position. He got Quebec excited. In fact, it's safe to say Brodeur owes kudos to Roy.

Think about it. All the scoring greats came before Roy. After him, goaltending was a science. Before him, the goalie let in a lot of goals. With a few excpetions, all the focus was on the regular skaters. In comes Roy and in his first season becomes a Montreal great. I have more to say, but I'm saving it for a later rebuttal which I'm sure I will see the need to present.



Habs get number 25 this year



How could he patent butterfly, he wasn't the first butterfly goalie.

Ellis or Mason?

Go Preds Go!

No, he wasn't the first butterfly goalie, but he was the first to be efficient at it. He revolutionized the style which many goalie's after him have tried to emulate, and even improved on. ie. butterfly shuffle. So Patrick opened the door for the evolution of the goalie position.

Go Habs Go!!
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rross
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Posted - 05/08/2009 :  07:40:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
[quote]Originally posted by Rambo2305

You are missing so many greats, this poll can't work simply because there's not enough room for all....

Should be on this list....
- Curtis Joseph
- Ed Belfour
- Johnny Bower
- Grant Fuhr
- Mike Richter

....I can go on, and on, and on! :P

"Everytime you step out onto the ice, it's a clean slate, anyone can win"

I don't think CUJO should be on the list. Granted, Belfour, Fuhr and Bower should be mentioned, but it all boils down to Roy and Brodeur in my opinion and maybe Sawchuk. Everyone else is close, but not on the same level based on stats/career longevity(ie Dryden, Lindbergh) etc.

Go Habs Go!!
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 05/08/2009 :  13:12:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
While not the best career ever Cujo would be my favorite. When he played in Edmonton he could steal a series on his own. When he left for Toronto I was so pissed because another great player lost to a hockey meca. Maybe he didn't Dominate once he played for Pheonix but he was brought on to crappy teams to bring stability. He's another player (like Hasek) who while playing healthy was better than the goalies of his era. He will never be considered the best based on injury or inadequate playoff success.

I think time will tell if Loungo belongs on this list. Definitly to much international experience to be overlook for this list.
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Posted - 05/09/2009 :  19:14:17  Reply with Quote
Best goalie of all time is not on here because you guys obviously don't know hockey as well as you think you do.

Vladislav Tretiak- no doubt about it, he was so good that Canada was sure he had surgery on his legs to make him so flexible.
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fat_elvis_rocked
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Posted - 05/09/2009 :  21:57:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Guest0060

Best goalie of all time is not on here because you guys obviously don't know hockey as well as you think you do.

Vladislav Tretiak- no doubt about it, he was so good that Canada was sure he had surgery on his legs to make him so flexible.




The poll question......

quote:
Originally posted by Devils Fanatic

Since the NHL is 90 years old now, who do you think is the greatest goaltender of all-time?

Martin Brodeur ~ 913 GP | 505 W | 273 L| 120 T| 2.21 GAA| 94 SO
2007-2008 ~ 22 GP | 11 W | 10 L | 1 OTL |2.31 GAA |.910 SV%|2 SO



Thanks for letting us know that we aren't as clever about hockey as we think...but apparently we get the nod in reading ability..
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 05/12/2009 :  08:30:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Guest0060

Best goalie of all time is not on here because you guys obviously don't know hockey as well as you think you do.

Vladislav Tretiak- no doubt about it, he was so good that Canada was sure he had surgery on his legs to make him so flexible.




Ok, yea, didn't Tretiak win something like 50 straight starts or something crazy like that?

"Everytime you step out onto the ice, it's a clean slate, anyone can win"
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Odin
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Posted - 05/12/2009 :  10:41:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Leafsfan_94

take out brodeur and roy

roy is NOT the best goalie ever. excuse my language

HES A p****

ok he won 2 cups with the habs. yeah well montreal was amazing then.
did you notice montreal probably had the best defence those years?
as soon as montreal lost their good defence. he left. he quit. as much as i hate the habs i wouldnt give up if they started to suck. then he comes back to his NEW team colorado. that was the year where they had

sakic
hedjuk
kariya
forsberg
blake
selanne

thats a good team. im not saying he wasnt a good goalie. he made good saves and stood on his head. but put him on a bad team with no defence. lets see how he does. plus my dad told me he cheated. he put air sacks in his jersey to stop the puck.

he was good but no hall of fame goaaltender

as for brodeur same thing.

hes not that big of a wuss to leave NJ is they started to suck. but NJ may no have the best offence anymore. but they have good defence who can play the trap. again im not saying brouder isnt good. but hes not as good as people say he is. when he won cups with NJ

they had great defence heres too for example

scotty niedermayer
scott stevens... who would litterally crush you so you didnt get to the net.

i like broduer and roy but to me they dont match up as the best goalies of all time.

and out of the guys on the list

i would say

i guess sawchuck since he was so good considering back in the day it was easy to score.


quote:
Originally posted by Devils Fanatic

Since the NHL is 90 years old now, who do you think is the greatest goaltender of all-time?

Martin Brodeur ~ 913 GP | 505 W | 273 L| 120 T| 2.21 GAA| 94 SO
2007-2008 ~ 22 GP | 11 W | 10 L | 1 OTL |2.31 GAA |.910 SV%|2 SO



-Red Wings GM

Leafsfan_94






Hey Leafsfan94, you off your meds or something? In what world of insanity can you come up with that the winningest and second winningest goalie of all time are not hall of famers?

And I'm sorry, but Belfour, Fuhr and Cujo do not belong on this list. Arguements can be made for Hasek, Dryden, Tretiak and even Sawchuk, but those others have no business being discussed in the same breath as Roy and Brodeur.

As for those calling Roy a whiner because he informed Ron that he wouldn't play another game for the Habs seem to forget what an absolute bonehead Tremblay was to him. 11 goals. Sorry, no bonafide NHL head coach would EVER leave their star goalie in nets like that when he is clearly having a bad night.

Also, those touting Jersey as having started the trap are off. It was started by Jacques Lemaire when he was coaching the Habs. He then brought his show to Jersey.

My question to everybody is this: if the game is an absolute must win, who do you want in net? I think hands down its Roy in his prime. 10 OT wins in a row in one playoff will never be matched again. What a ride that was!


Edited by - Odin on 05/12/2009 10:43:29
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andyhack
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Posted - 05/14/2009 :  07:20:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Guest4652

Dryden. His save % is way up there, even if he only faced like 7 shots a game it seemed. Short career by choice. Stanley Cup winner, Summit Series winner. Winner period.



This is the reason why I feel Kenny D is a great candidate for the most overrated superstar ever.

It's easy to be seduced by those numbers.

Yes, a fine career, but his numbers are grossly misleading given that he played on a tremendous team with Robinson/Savard/Lapointe in front of him, and some great defensive forwards too (Gainey in particular).

I actually think that it's not unreasonable to say that he isn't even in the top ten goalies of all time, let alone the greatest.
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 05/19/2009 :  10:10:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey Odin have you ever been to a game when you favorite team was playing against Belfour, Coju or Fuhr in the playoffs!! How about did your team ever ride one of these goalies in the playoffs!! I had the pleasure to see all of these goalies live in the playoffs with/or against my team at the time. All considered clutch playoff goalies with exceptional regular season records.

Belfour would get jeered all game long by the crowd and leave the game with a smile on his face as he beat a team in their building, even with all that pressure. (Never a hero for my team, always the prick)

Cujo stood on his head for his first 10+ season's in St Louis, Edmonton, Toronto, Detroit. Spent his last few years playing on less than stellar teams or behind a younger up and coming goalies. Do remember him almost stealing that series from Dallas his last year in Edmonton. After that Edmonton could not sign him no-matter what they offered. NHL wanted him in a bigger market. Last year he played backup to Kipper in the playoffs. Kipper, as usual, pooped the bed. Cujo comes in a game 3 goals down and is rock solid for the come behind win against San Jose. Classic Cujo!

Im not arguing with you with regards to Fuhrs goals against average for most of his career. But I would argue that in a playoff series in the 80's nobody bet against a Fuhr team. Really didn't play for team's that would highlight his goals against average. Do your remember the tandum of Fuhr and Hasek in Buffalo, Haseks rookie season. I believe lowest goals against average in the league went to Fuhr-Hasek.
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 05/19/2009 :  10:21:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
As much as I like Fuhr, Belfour and Cujo (All wore Blue & White :D)...you can't say no to Brodeur, Roy or Tretiak. Tretiak would have pushed 600 wins if he was in the NHL. Too bad for the cold war, we would have seen some amazing hockey back then


"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford
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Odin
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Posted - 05/19/2009 :  10:40:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JOSHUACANADA

Hey Odin have you ever been to a game when you favorite team was playing against Belfour, Coju or Fuhr in the playoffs!! How about did your team ever ride one of these goalies in the playoffs!! I had the pleasure to see all of these goalies live in the playoffs with/or against my team at the time. All considered clutch playoff goalies with exceptional regular season records.

Belfour would get jeered all game long by the crowd and leave the game with a smile on his face as he beat a team in their building, even with all that pressure. (Never a hero for my team, always the prick)

Cujo stood on his head for his first 10+ season's in St Louis, Edmonton, Toronto, Detroit. Spent his last few years playing on less than stellar teams or behind a younger up and coming goalies. Do remember him almost stealing that series from Dallas his last year in Edmonton. After that Edmonton could not sign him no-matter what they offered. NHL wanted him in a bigger market. Last year he played backup to Kipper in the playoffs. Kipper, as usual, pooped the bed. Cujo comes in a game 3 goals down and is rock solid for the come behind win against San Jose. Classic Cujo!

Im not arguing with you with regards to Fuhrs goals against average for most of his career. But I would argue that in a playoff series in the 80's nobody bet against a Fuhr team. Really didn't play for team's that would highlight his goals against average. Do your remember the tandum of Fuhr and Hasek in Buffalo, Haseks rookie season. I believe lowest goals against average in the league went to Fuhr-Hasek.



I'm not saying they aren't good, and didn't have their runs, of course they did. I'm jut saying overall in thier careers, the are a tier below Roy and Brodeur. It IS unfortunate that Tretiak didn't have a chance, that would have been fun. Dryden's career was too short, but based in the numbers he DID put up, it would be silly to dismiss him, and Hasek does have some serious credentials too.
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 05/19/2009 :  12:27:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Simple answer to this question.....too many answers!!


"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford
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Posted - 05/19/2009 :  14:18:29  Reply with Quote
The greatest goalie of all time is Patrick Roy 4 stanley cups 3 con smyths and a 551 win and the most wins in the playoffs. so he is the best.
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Posted - 06/04/2009 :  14:15:03  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by rross

quote:
Originally posted by nashvillepreds

[quote]Originally posted by Alex

He patented the butterfly and turned the goalie position into a much more glorified position. He got Quebec excited. In fact, it's safe to say Brodeur owes kudos to Roy.

Think about it. All the scoring greats came before Roy. After him, goaltending was a science. Before him, the goalie let in a lot of goals. With a few excpetions, all the focus was on the regular skaters. In comes Roy and in his first season becomes a Montreal great. I have more to say, but I'm saving it for a later rebuttal which I'm sure I will see the need to present.



Habs get number 25 this year



How could he patent butterfly, he wasn't the first butterfly goalie.

Ellis or Mason?

Go Preds Go!

No, he wasn't the first butterfly goalie, but he was the first to be efficient at it. He revolutionized the style which many goalie's after him have tried to emulate, and even improved on. ie. butterfly shuffle. So Patrick opened the door for the evolution of the goalie position.

Go Habs Go!!


Uh, Roy was not the first goalie to be efficient with the Butterfly. Glenn Hall was.

Glenn hall has the modern equivalent of 7 Vezina Trophies, and 2nd for 4 more.
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Posted - 06/04/2009 :  15:23:35  Reply with Quote
GRANT FUHR has to be on this list, if tretiak played in the NHL he would be too
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Posted - 01/12/2010 :  11:38:05  Reply with Quote
i hate oldies so brodeur
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Posted - 01/14/2010 :  09:04:29  Reply with Quote
If I had 1 game to win, I'd choose Patrick Roy (confidence/passion) and if I had a full season to play, I'd choose Martin Brodeur (consistency/all-around play)
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Posted - 01/14/2010 :  09:54:43  Reply with Quote
I like both Roy and Brodeur, but my vote goes to Roy for one reason: his three Conn Smythe trophies. Brodeur played great in playoffs, he won three Stanley Cups and an Olympics. Roy won four Stanley Cups, so let's call that even. But Roy's three Conn Smythe's say that he was the best of the best while winning the championship.

BTW, to whoever posted "But I would argue that in a playoff series in the 80's nobody bet against a Fuhr team". While that may technically be true, the reason for that wasn't because of Fuhr. It was because of the Oilers !!
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Posted - 01/16/2010 :  07:14:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by shazariahl

I'd probably say the Dominator was the best, at the top of his game. The Sabbers had a 3 season stretch where they gave up more shots than any other team in the league, and yet Hasek led the league in save % those same 3 seasons. Conversely, the Devils gave up less shots than any other team in the league. I think career wise, Roy and Brodeur both rate above him, but that's also partly an age issue - if Hasek had been playing here since he was 20, his career would look much stronger.

Fact is though, that during his prime he was better than Roy or Brodeur.




What he said and add Jacques Plante for being innovative.
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Posted - 01/16/2010 :  09:54:19  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Guest4820

quote:
Originally posted by rross

quote:
Originally posted by nashvillepreds

[quote]Originally posted by Alex

He patented the butterfly and turned the goalie position into a much more glorified position. He got Quebec excited. In fact, it's safe to say Brodeur owes kudos to Roy.

Think about it. All the scoring greats came before Roy. After him, goaltending was a science. Before him, the goalie let in a lot of goals. With a few excpetions, all the focus was on the regular skaters. In comes Roy and in his first season becomes a Montreal great. I have more to say, but I'm saving it for a later rebuttal which I'm sure I will see the need to present.



Habs get number 25 this year



How could he patent butterfly, he wasn't the first butterfly goalie.

Ellis or Mason?

Go Preds Go!

No, he wasn't the first butterfly goalie, but he was the first to be efficient at it. He revolutionized the style which many goalie's after him have tried to emulate, and even improved on. ie. butterfly shuffle. So Patrick opened the door for the evolution of the goalie position.

Go Habs Go!!


Uh, Roy was not the first goalie to be efficient with the Butterfly. Glenn Hall was.

Glenn hall has the modern equivalent of 7 Vezina Trophies, and 2nd for 4 more.



Uh, yes Roy was the first to be efficient at it. Glenn Hall was nowhere close to the efficiency Roy had brought to the butterfly style...sorry, it's just how the position has changed over the years. Nothing against Glenn Hall, but he didn't have goalie coaches, and video etc. etc. I can go on but i think i've made my point.
In addition, his study of the position has opened the door to the way goaltending has been broken down into a proficient art.
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Posted - 01/20/2010 :  20:47:24  Reply with Quote
I admit that Brodeur & Roy deserve to be mentioned among the greatest, but there are several goalies from earlier years that were fantastic too. They include Glenn Hall who was terrific and played in over 500 straight games. Others in no particular order were Jacques Plante, Bernie Parent, Tony Esposito, Rogie Vachon, George Vezina, Ed Giacomin, Bill Durnan, Johnny Bower, Turk Broda, Frank Brimsek, Gerry Cheevers, George Hainsworth, Terry Sawchuk, etc., etc., etc. I wanted to mention a few of these guys because they deserve a bit of recognition too.
To TBAR: Eddie Belfour did NOT play on weak Chicago teams. In 1991, they had the NHL's best record when he won Rookie of the Year and in 1992, they went to the Stanley Cup final. In the other years while he was there, they were always a contending team.
One other note, nothing against Tretiak and I know that he was great against Team Canada in 1972, but he also had an outstanding team in front of him for many years. So if part of the measurement for greatness is not having a strong team in front of you, then he'll have to lose some points, in my opinion.
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Deaner
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Posted - 06/04/2010 :  15:43:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Marty hands down.
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irvine
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Posted - 06/04/2010 :  18:59:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sigh... I get so tired of hearing about goaltenders having a 'strong team' in front of them, which is why they were so successful.

Sure, we can factor in the defensive team in front of a goaltender for some of said goaltenders success. Fair enough.

But, when we look at a guy like Martin Brodeur (for an example), please tell me how it is he has achieved this great success, every single year, since entering the NHL? Meanwhile, his defensive core has changed over these years? While only one factor remains the same (just one constant), that is Martin Brodeur himself.

"Oh, this goaltender was only good because he had Scott Stevens and Scott Neidermayer in front of him!" -- Okay, sure. I'll give you some credit for that. But, where has Neids & Stevens been the past 5 years? Not in front of Marty.

Yet, Marty has been setting records over the past five years, that most NHL goaltenders only dream of ever coming near. Let alone, breaking them.

PLEASE, stop all this "He's only good because of the teams in front of him." Give credit, where credit is due.

Martin Brodeur is the greatest all-time, in my personal opinion. And by the time he retires, the record books will be his to match it.

Patrick Roy is a close second.

Irvine/prez.
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Posted - 06/06/2010 :  21:39:46  Reply with Quote
Back to my nomination of hasek. First of all this is a classic debate and as someone said earlier its clearly a matter of opinion, and not a slight on any of the other great goalies. I can see the case for Roy and admit his playoff record and performances were outstanding (for the most part).

But to me when hasek went head to head with Roy and Brodeur in their respective primes, he won all of the vezinas. This is not a what if argument, this is my opinion of their respective dominance in their prime. Roys cup runs are outstanding indeed, but the stanley Cup is a team effort, altho, clearly Roy was the single biggest factor. So i appreciate that, they are a part of his greatness. But when I watched Hasek in his prime, his level was consistently more dominant than Roys.

The point about other greats dominating the vezina surely has to be mitigated, at least in part, by the fact that there were only 6 teams at that time. Not to take anything away from their greatness, but it seems difficult to suggest that winning 6 of 8 in Hasek's era isnt more impressive. Coupled with two Hart trophies, puts him over the edge in my opinion. (also note that he was injured for much the 2000 season)

As for the Habs teams, I take nothing away from saying that Roy was the difference, but as an aside the 86 wasnt that bad, especially as there really werent great teams in the east. and the 1993 cup run, the habs had a reasonably favorable route. Yes I agree that all you can do is ask to beat who you play, but when the islanders knocked off the Pens, it kinda blew the field wide open.

Also look at those Sabres teams. You just cant tell me that they were anywhere nearly as good as either of the habs cup teams.
Again, thats not really the basis for my point. My opinion is that regardless of the what ifs, noone dominated like Hasek.
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Posted - 06/09/2010 :  17:40:38  Reply with Quote
best should be over career is Brodeur
2nd Hasek
3rd Roy
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