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| Ryan Harper |
Posted - 12/18/2006 : 15:36:05
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Sports Illustrated's best by the numbers:
00 John Davidson
0 Neil Sheehy
1 Terry Sawchuk
2 Doug Harvey
3 Lionel Hitchman
4 Bobby Orr
5 Denis Potvin
6 Toe Blake
7 Howie Morenz
8 Cam Neely
9 Gordie Howe
10 Guy Lafleur
11 Mark Messier
12 d***ie Moore
13 Mats Sundin
14 Brendan Shanahan
15 Milt Schmidt
16 Marcel Dionne
17 Jari Kurri
18 Serge Savard
19 Steve Yzerman
20 Luc Robitaille
21 Stan Mikita
22 Mike Bossy
23 Bob Gainey
24 Chris Chelios
25 Joe Nieuwendyk
26 Peter Stastny
27 Frank Mahovlich
28 Steve Larmer
29 Ken Dryden
30 Martin Brodeur
31 Grant Fuhr
32 Dale Hunter
33 Patrick Roy
34 John Vanbiesbrouck
35 Tony Esposito
36 Daniel Bouchard
37 Olaf Kolzig
38 Vladimir Malakhov
39 Dominik Hasek
40 Alex Tanguay
41 Stu Barnes
42 Sergei Makarov
43 Patrice Brisebois
44 Chris Pronger
45 Rhett Warriner
46 Kyle McLaren
47 Marc-Andre Bergeron
48 Scott Young
49 Brian Savage
50 Igor Ulanov
51 Andrei Kovalenko
52 Adam Foote
53 Derek Morris
54 Sean Pronger
55 Larry Murphy
56 Sergei Zubov
57 Steve Heinze
58 Bill Berg
59 Tom Fitzgerald
60 Jose Theodore
61 Maxim Afinogenov
62 Olli Jokinen
63 Josef Vasicek
64 Sylvain Cote
65 Tim Hunter
66 Mario Lemieux
67 Robert Svehla
68 Jaromir Jagr
69 Mel Angelstad
70 Oleg Tverdovsky
71 Mike Foligno
72 Mathieu Schneider
73 Michael Ryder
74 Jay McKee
75 Walt Poddubny
76 Radek Bonk
77 Ray Bourque
78 Pavol Demitra
79 Alexei Yashin
80 Geoff Sanderson
81 Miroslav Satan
82 Marian Gaborik
83 Ales Hemsky
84 Guillaume Latendresse
85 Petr Klima
86 Jonathan Ferland
87 Sidney Crosby
88 Eric Lindros
89 Alexander Mogilny
90 Joe Juneau
91 Sergei Fedorov
92 Rick Tocchet
93 Doug Gilmour
94 Ryan Smyth
95 Aleksey Morozov
96 Tomas Holmstrom
97 Jeremy Roenick
98 Brian Lawton
99 Wayne Gretzky
Source: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com
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| 24 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| Blubberboy |
Posted - 12/29/2006 : 12:35:00
quote:
Originally posted by B-rett10
9- I would say Bobby Hull instead Howe.
I agree with you B-rett10
Bobby Hull was better.
Go Cancuks |
| 1 Crosby fan |
Posted - 12/29/2006 : 00:12:52
i know bobby hull in a good player but thats Gordie Howe/Mr.Hockey |
| StanleyCup |
Posted - 12/28/2006 : 13:13:44
quote:
Originally posted by Guest6916
quote:
Originally posted by Ripley
I'm torn. Couldn't Al Macinnis replace Doug Harvey for #2? You decide between these two defensemen who wore #2:
Al Macinnis has 1274 pts in 1416 games, 1 Stanley Cup (Flames), 1 Con Smythe Trophy and 1 Norris Trophy, 12 All-Star selections, and arguably the hardest shot in hockey history.
Doug Harvey has half as many points with 540 in 1113 games. Although, he did have 6 Stanley Cups (Canadiens), 7 Norris trophies, and 11 All-Star selections.
Harvey has more hardware, but Macinnis has more than double the points. Who is better?
When the ultimate goal is Stanley Cups I gotta go with Harvey.
I disagree, we're talking personal performance here. Harvey played in a time when there were only 6 teams and obviously only 20% of the amount of players. Of course you're going to get more cups and more Norris trophies. Also, I often think they give the edge to the long retired guys because of their mystical, legendary status.
Al Macinnis. Just look at his numbers.
...from my elbow to your face. |
| B-rett10 |
Posted - 12/21/2006 : 20:47:08
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
I would put Nash as number 2. He is a bit better of a scorer over his career but his +/- is horrible. He is -58 in a career with 176 points. Pretty bad on that side of things.
True thanks for they reply! |
| B-rett10 |
Posted - 12/21/2006 : 20:46:10
9- I would say Bobby Hull instead Howe. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 12/21/2006 : 20:43:56
I would put Nash as number 2. He is a bit better of a scorer over his career but his +/- is horrible. He is -58 in a career with 176 points. Pretty bad on that side of things. |
| B-rett10 |
Posted - 12/21/2006 : 20:43:05
Gaborik is 10. |
| B-rett10 |
Posted - 12/21/2006 : 20:39:24
Pavol Demitra is 38 now. I think he takes that spot too. He is a great player. |
| B-rett10 |
Posted - 12/21/2006 : 20:35:34
61- Rick Nash???? anyone agree? |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 12/20/2006 : 17:38:16
Of course I am from Edmonton. Regardless, Coffey is only 60 points behind Esposito. Coffey played Defense. Also, Bourque played 200+ more games than Coffey did while Coffey is only 48 behind Bourque.
Don't forget Coffey also had 196 playoff points on route to his 4 cups. Esposito had 137 playoff points for his one Cup. That puts them basically even in the total professional points. Did I say that Coffey played Defense??
However, I am not saying that Espo wasn't the man in his day. One of my favorite images in history and a reason I started to love Hockey was him on the bench in '72. Looking at the Russian bench and gesturing, pointing back and forth and putting up his fists trying to pick a fight. The only other hockey images that compare are Orr's diving goal and Gretzky to Lemiuex in '87.
I think this one might never be solved. Regardless if I say Coffey or you say Espo, one of them should be #7.
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| pucker |
Posted - 12/20/2006 : 13:33:00
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
Can someone explain the rational behind putting Esposito ahead of Coffey?? I just can't seem to understand that. Coffey was easily the 2nd most influential defensemen. (Bobby Orr being the first)
You nust be from Edmonton right?
Who put Esposito ahead of Coffey. i dont see either of them, but for the sake of argument, heres my take on it.
Esposito:
-Captain of the'72 Team. I know the article is from the US but this is something even the Americans know about
-5 Art Ross trophies
-2 Cups
-1 Hart trophy
-Career stats 717g 873a 1590p
-5th all time in goals and 8th in points
Coffey:
-3 Norris trophies
-4 Cups
-Career stats 396g 1135a 1531p
-10th all time in points
I would honestly put Bourque ahead of Cofffey. Both Espo and Bourque never had the privalege of playing with either Gretzky or Lemieux for their entire career like Coffey.
Hart Trophy and Art Ross Trophies also set Espo apart from Coffey. He is just better. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 12/20/2006 : 11:58:57
Can someone explain the rational behind putting Esposito ahead of Coffey?? I just can't seem to understand that. Coffey was easily the 2nd most influential defensemen. (Bobby Orr being the first) |
| Guest6916 |
Posted - 12/20/2006 : 10:36:02
quote:
Originally posted by Ripley
I'm torn. Couldn't Al Macinnis replace Doug Harvey for #2? You decide between these two defensemen who wore #2:
Al Macinnis has 1274 pts in 1416 games, 1 Stanley Cup (Flames), 1 Con Smythe Trophy and 1 Norris Trophy, 12 All-Star selections, and arguably the hardest shot in hockey history.
Doug Harvey has half as many points with 540 in 1113 games. Although, he did have 6 Stanley Cups (Canadiens), 7 Norris trophies, and 11 All-Star selections.
Harvey has more hardware, but Macinnis has more than double the points. Who is better?
When the ultimate goal is Stanley Cups I gotta go with Harvey. |
| Guest4101 |
Posted - 12/19/2006 : 21:45:16
Forsberg plays hockey? News to me.
Has anyone actually seen Forsberg play? I thought they just put him on paper for accounting reasons, to make the roster number balance out. |
| spearbelly |
Posted - 12/19/2006 : 19:27:23
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
Wouldn't you think Paul Coffey is missing from list at #7??? And I would say that 19 should be a tie between Stevie Y and Burnaby Joe Sakic!
Both are greaterest but ......it's Yzerman , by 2 and 1/4 hands...
Definite replacements : J.C TREMBLAY for HITCHMAN.......The ROAD RUNNER for MOORE...........ESPO for MORENZ.....
A "Run for their money ".........BOOM BOOM GEOFFRION for POTVIN ........KEON for SHANAHAN .......DENIS (OOU LA LA ) for SERGE.......FORSBERG for MIKITA.......LEMAIRE for NIEWENDYK.......SITLER for THE BIG M .......
Didn't Eddie Shack wear # 23?......[just making small talk] |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 12/19/2006 : 18:04:43
Esposito would be my second pick for Number 7. Coffey is the 2nd all time leading scorer as a defensemen behind Ray Bourque by 50 points, 10th all time, and is 5th all time in playoff points. He is only 60 points behind Esposito. He also has 3 Stanley Cups while Esposito has 2.
Coffey is the man at #7. |
| Ripley |
Posted - 12/19/2006 : 17:39:12
I'm torn. Couldn't Al Macinnis replace Doug Harvey for #2? You decide between these two defensemen who wore #2:
Al Macinnis has 1274 pts in 1416 games, 1 Stanley Cup (Flames), 1 Con Smythe Trophy and 1 Norris Trophy, 12 All-Star selections, and arguably the hardest shot in hockey history.
Doug Harvey has half as many points with 540 in 1113 games. Although, he did have 6 Stanley Cups (Canadiens), 7 Norris trophies, and 11 All-Star selections.
Harvey has more hardware, but Macinnis has more than double the points. Who is better?
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| ultimatetitman |
Posted - 12/19/2006 : 16:29:27
There are some amazing players missing from the list, but would you select the likes of Maurice Richard over Mr. Hockey? The "other" Richard, Henri "The Pocket Rocket" could easily be in at 16 over Marcel Dionne and with 11 Stanley Cups, he probably should be.
But the biggest omission, in my humble opinion, would be, how is Phil Esposito NOT #7? Morenz was probably the greatest player of his era, but but his era was the 20's and 30's, when families couldn't put food on the table, let alone skates on their kids.
As bumper sticker read in Boston in the early 1970's:
"Jesus saves. Espo get the rebound. He shoots. he scores!" |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 12/19/2006 : 15:58:25
I'd also say that some players made the list because no one else wore that number. Bergeron for 47 is a great example |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 12/19/2006 : 15:57:18
Wouldn't you think Paul Coffey is missing from list at #7??? And I would say that 19 should be a tie between Stevie Y and Burnaby Joe Sakic! |
| ultimatetitman |
Posted - 12/19/2006 : 15:52:58
Correct me if I am wrong... and I probably am.... but I believe Bure only wore 96 for the better part of two seasons and went back to #10 after injuring his knee.
He continued to wear #10 in Florida, and I can't see him replacing LaFleur with that number.
Then he selected #9 in New York.
It's hard to imagine him in anything but a 10. But I see your point. |
| Mikhailova |
Posted - 12/18/2006 : 16:18:38
Looks good. I'd agree with 'em all except 96--should be Bure like you all said |
| bablaboushka |
Posted - 12/18/2006 : 15:41:34
Haha that's awesome! I love how Latendresse is there because his 84 was the last number never worn. Also Marc-Andre Bergeron with 47? Then again the only other player I can think of that wears/wore 47 is John Grahame.
When did Gaborik wear 82?
And yeah 96 should be Bure hands down. |
| Ryan Harper |
Posted - 12/18/2006 : 15:40:07
Mistake:
96 - Should be Bure not Holmstrom
"Some people skate to the puck. I skate to where the puck is going to be."
~Wayne Gretzky
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