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| Go_Habs_Go |
Posted - 01/20/2011 : 10:58:03
If the Red Wings close the deal with Nabokov, who will become Detroit's first goaltender ?
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| ToXXiK1 |
Posted - 01/26/2011 : 03:26:39
New York entered Tuesday with the third-worst goals-against average (3.20) in the league.
Nabokov was 8-8-5 with a 3.02 goals-against average and a .888 save percentage in 22 games with St. Petersburg.
I don't see the big deal here?
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| Guest0218 |
Posted - 01/23/2011 : 09:28:44
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=350647
According to this article, if Nabokov decides not to play for NYI this season the Islanders can appeal to "toll" the contract. Essentially transferring Nabokov's 1-year deal to next season, forcing him to play for the Islanders next year.
That seems a little unfair to Nabokov. I'm fine with him not being able to just join any team he wants more than half way through the season, but to force him to play for a bottom-feeder team for an entire year because of a contract he signed with another team... He could have just waited and signed with any team in the off-season. But I guess it will force him to play this year... |
| The Duke |
Posted - 01/23/2011 : 09:28:06
Yes according to TSN reporters the NYI cannot trade Nabby unless they put him through waivers. He has to clear waivers again before the Islanders can trade him.
These ( over - seas, outside of the NHL players ) waiver rules were brought into place to prevent any team to load up before playoff time. As unfair as it seems for Detroit to do the leg work and lose this player through waivers............
How fair would it be for a contender like Detroit ( or some other ) to maybe bring in some groomed players like maybe J.Jagr and 2 more of his experience for a playoff push ??
Hell a team would be able to bring in a complete bonafied 2nd line if they looked hard enough, just for 2 months of work !!!
No, i think its just fine the way it is. Don`t let one teams GM have some kind of advantage over other teams. We all know that if these Over-seas rentals are available then they would for sure have Detroit on their radar first. |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 01/22/2011 : 18:01:52
interesting insight from hotstove...
1. Snow is still talking to Nabby to try and convince him to take the job
2. NYI has a legitimate need for a goalie - Their top-2 goalies (DiPietro and Lawson) are injured, and they want 3rd string Poulin to develop in the AHL right now. Nabby represented a very well-priced proven goalie that NYI could get without giving up anything in return.
3. NYI not only wants Nabby for the year, but possibly to resign him for next year as well.
Also, just in case the waiver rule for returning European players was not already complex enough... apparently if NYI does put him back on waivers, they can do it one of two ways:
1. put him back on waivers with intent to trade - if so, ONLY the teams that put in a waiver request originally would be allowed to claim him as part of a trade.
2. put him back on waivers with no trade intent - all teams have a shot at him again.
I can see that the lawyers were busy during the last CBA negotiation....
If he chooses not to play for NYI, I would like to see Snow just suspend him and let him sit |
| Porkchop73 |
Posted - 01/22/2011 : 13:05:11
Islanders, have they given up on perennial infermary patient Dipietro. What do the Islanders have to prove with picking up a 35 yr old goalie. They have been rebuilding longer then any other team in the NHL. Really, how many low first round picks do you need before you start to break out.
Is there a deal in works and they picked up Nabby to fill a void? This does not make sense.
Nabby not reporting to the team is a joke. I think it is so disrespectful of players to do that. |
| Guest4695 |
Posted - 01/22/2011 : 12:51:50
I hope he sits and Routs in the Islnaders System they wont put him on waivers again so he can get what he wants um NO.. dont do it Snow.. Suspend him and let him Twittle his thumbs tell they fall off.. |
| Guest4695 |
Posted - 01/22/2011 : 12:49:38
Go figure Islanders claim Nabokov; agent says he won't report because he isnt going to a winning team ... Capital "L" for LOSER go back to Russia.. You sucked there you well be no better here...
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| Alex116 |
Posted - 01/22/2011 : 12:38:57
I don't expect him to show up to play for NYI. Here's the thing, what can he prove playing on a brutal team? The risk / reward factor is very low for him there. Sure, he could play all world and earn a big contract from another team for next year, but chances are, with a bad team, he could look terrible and his value could take a blow!
His agent's prob told him to sit back and relax, stay in shape, train, etc and wait for someone to come calling in the summer! |
| ryan93 |
Posted - 01/22/2011 : 12:24:56
Can't really say i blame him for not wanting to play for the Islanders. I would like to see him back in the NHL though, so hopefully they put him back on waivers & ends up on a playoff calibre team. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 01/22/2011 : 12:13:49
Interesting... I didn't know that!!
Sounds like TSN's source says Nabokov won't report to Long Island so expect him to be suspended by the team(and not play anywhere) or him to be back on waivers shortly. |
| ryan93 |
Posted - 01/22/2011 : 12:04:30
According to Bob McKenzie Beans, Nabokov would indeed have to be put back on waivers & clear before the Islanders would be able to trade him. The rule was put in place for that very reason, to discourage teams like Jersey or the Isles from picking him up with the intention of dealing him for their teams benefit.
The only way Nabokov can end up in Detroit this season is if he's put back on waivers & the 27 or 28 teams before the Wings pass on him. He's also ineligible from playing in the AHL this season. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 01/22/2011 : 10:59:04
quote:
Originally posted by Guest0218
As I believe was stated earlier, Nabokov would have to clear waivers again before the NYI could trade him. So no team would trade for him they would just grab him from waivers.
No, he does not have to clear waivers twice?? He was picked up by the Islanders. Now he can either play for them or be traded to anyother team.
A player only has to clear waivers upon a trade if that players has cleared waivers once and has been playing on the farm. For example, Sheldon Souray would have to clear waivers if he was traded. Nabokov doesn't. |
| Guest0218 |
Posted - 01/22/2011 : 10:36:38
As I believe was stated earlier, Nabokov would have to clear waivers again before the NYI could trade him. So no team would trade for him they would just grab him from waivers. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 01/22/2011 : 10:23:31
I think the Islanders will move him to Detroit for something. Why would Nabokov want to even come over from Russia for this?? It's not like he has been poorly paid in his career and needs the $250k??
I think Nabokov still ends up in Detroit and the Islanders will get a draft pick out of the deal. |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 01/22/2011 : 09:51:12
an unexpected move. NYI certainly needs a reliable goalie and has cap space galore, but I didn't think they would bother with Nabby at this point in the season.
And I agree, Nabby will play for whoever takes him, if only to secure an NHL contract next year. He'll be UFA after this stint with the Islanders. |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 01/22/2011 : 09:17:41
and the Islanders pick him up!
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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| Guest9885 |
Posted - 01/22/2011 : 07:52:46
I see. If I would've known the answer to your cap space question I would not have asked it would I? See, anybody can ask rhetorical questions that really no serve no purpose. Thanks for the info. |
| Guest0218 |
Posted - 01/22/2011 : 07:50:50
Forgot to mention....
As for Nabokov not showing up for the team who grabs him, I don't see it. He may have a talk with the team that grabs him and ask to be re-placed on waivers but if a team decides to stick with him, I think he'll play. If he wants to play in the NHL next year he should try to prove himself this year and show that his stats in the KHL (which were not good...) are not all that's left for him. |
| Guest0218 |
Posted - 01/22/2011 : 07:47:36
Everyone seems to be discounting Toronto as a possible destination but I think they might grab him (Hab fan here so no "everyone should be a leaf!" situation). Especially with Giguere saying he'll waive his NTC, I can see Burke grabbing Nabokov then shipping out Giguere. And the fact that Toronto doesn't have their first round pick gives them zero incentive to stay at the bottom of the standings. Florida could try the same move with Vokoun.
Ultimately I don't see Nabokov getting to a playoff team simply because with a 250K cap hit, why wouldn't you take him? That's less than a lot of backups will make for the rest of the season...
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| nuxfan |
Posted - 01/21/2011 : 21:55:45
guest9885 - who has the cap room for a big salary goalie right now that needs one, that is also a contender? Nabby ain't going to no Leafs or Oilers...
Also, he wasn't exactly lighting it up in Russia before he was released... |
| Guest9885 |
Posted - 01/21/2011 : 19:20:23
Still wondering why the money is so low. Anybody? |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 01/21/2011 : 17:31:41
Interesting.....i guess that Ferraro guy's a dummy then  !
Don't think NJ will bother if that's the case, but i have a funny feeling that Washington or Philly might grab him for insurance. |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 01/21/2011 : 17:17:42
Bob McKenzie clears up some of the Nabby waiver situation:
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=350469
Alex, it looks like your grab-him-then-trade-to-DET theory cannot work... |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 01/21/2011 : 13:30:48
If i were Detroit, i'd have contact NJ, asked if they were interested in him and struck a deal right then and there for NJ to pick him up and Det to trade a late late late round draft pick to them for him. Let's face it, they'd be willing to give that up to a team if someone already had him, no?
They either have to / had to gamble on no one picking him up, or else make a deal like this. Really depends just how bad they want him. |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 01/21/2011 : 11:54:03
quote:
That seems a little... wrong.
I believe the rule is set up this way to actually discourage teams from trying to sign non-NHL players during the seasons. The NHL doesn't want it to happen - so they add a special provision to the waiver rules making all non-NHL players signed during the season subject to waivers (in addition to other waiver rules).
The way the rule is setup, this sort of poaching is a real possibiliity each time a team tries to do this, thus discouraging teams from trying.
The grab-and-trade is an interesting idea, which would then mean anyone could grab him and try it. Nabby has possibly said "i'll only honour the contract with DET", so a team might try this tactic. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 01/21/2011 : 11:12:34
RC, that's what i was getting at. Ray Ferraro did mention something today on the radio about Glen Sather getting Reijo Ruotsalainen back from Europe on more than one occasion (after the league he was playing in was finished) and they put this rule in for that affect? Something along those lines?
Beans, you know anything about this?
As far the only option being for a guy like Nabby to sit out, Ferraro figures NJ will in fact take him, and then trade him for "something", be it a 7th round pick, a bag of pucks, case of beer, whatever? |
| TheRC |
Posted - 01/21/2011 : 11:05:13
So, let me try and get this right...
One team signs a player who hasn't played in the league all year, and has no outstanding contracts with any other NHL team... and then every other team in the league has a chance to claim that player on the exact same terms as the original offer before the deal can go through?
And if anybody else claims Nabokov then Detroit loses him, with no chance to make a better deal or anything? And if Nabokov gets claimed somewhere he doesn't want to play his only options are to play anyway or to sit out the season?
That seems a little... wrong.
I can see the waiver system in regards to moving players between the NHL and AHL as a way to protect the concept of 1-way and 2-way contracts, but to apply it to a player who has had no dealings with the NHL all year is strange.
"If at first you don't succeed, you fail" |
| n/a |
Posted - 01/21/2011 : 10:37:37
Well, let's go worst to first . . .
New Jersey
I don't see it, they wouldn't want to offend Brodeur in that way, and the season is already a write-off. Besides, Nabby would probably say no, although with the chance at re-signing there after Brodeur retires is a bit of incentive I suppose.
Edmonton
No way do they sign . . . no reason to, and he wouldn't show up there.
NY Isles
ditto here.
Ottawa
They really could use him . . . but he would never show up to play in Ottawa, and who could blame him?
Toronto
Nope - doesn't fit in the plan here, goalie try-outs is crowded, and they want to stay young.
Calgary
Hmm . . . do they want to push Kipper? This is the first maybe, if they can squeeze him under their cap (I think they are right at the limit). Would Nabby show up here? Probably not.
Florida
Probably not . . . Vokoun needs no pushing, he's playing great.
Buffalo
Nope, for obvious reasons.
Columbus
He would never in a million years play for Columbus.
LA Kings
Now THAT would be interesting . . . hmm. But the young goalie situation is crowded here, no? Probably not.
St. Louis
Nope, they have Halak and decent back-ups.
Carolina
Nope - Ward is solid, and he'd never go there.
Minnesota
Backstrom needs no back-up.
San Jose
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha . . . . ..
Hey guys, anything is possible!!!
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 01/21/2011 : 10:05:24
Heard Ferraro on the radio this morning saying he wouldn't be surprised to see the Devils grab him and then negotiate a trade with Det thus seeing them getting some sort of asset in return. While this may be the norm, i don't like it. I look at it this way, if NJ really wanted him, THEY could have done the leg work and negotiated for his services and signed him. Same goes for every other team who didn't go after him! Makes me wonder if Det would have been better off letting someone else grab him, and then steal him from them? Of course, with the 3rd to last chance at grabbing him, he could have been long gone by the time they got their chance? |
| ryan93 |
Posted - 01/21/2011 : 08:11:58
I know if i was a GM, i'd have a hard time passing on Nabokov at that price! As well as Andrew Raycroft has played this season for Dallas, Nabokov would be a nice insurance policy there in case Lehtonen (who's had all kinds of injury problems in the past) ever went down. Or how about Washington? Tampa Bay would of been a good fit a month ago, not sure if they'd want to go that route now though after trading for Roloson. I haven't seen/followed the Hawks much this season...how has Turco looked? And what about Philadelphia? I know they are are ahead of the Wings in the standings which normally would mean they Wings would have a chance to grab someone off the waiver wire before them, but i'm assuming the Wings are exempt from putting in a claim in this scenerio? |
| ryan93 |
Posted - 01/21/2011 : 08:06:13
I agree with what John Davidson said, and i do think the teams should be compensated in the future for incidents like the Svatos/Wellwood scenerios. As JD said, the Blues did all the work to get the aforemetioned players back to North America, negioated the contract, etc...only to have him swipped up by another team.
Yes under the current CBA it's perfectally fine, and yes JD & the Blues realized that and said they have no ill will towards either the Preds or Sharks organizations for doing so...but that they'd like to see the whole process of free agency in regards to leagues such as the KHL reviewed. It's going to be one of the topics discussed at the upcoming GM meetings. |
| n/a |
Posted - 01/21/2011 : 08:00:33
Interesting.
I know a lot of GMs claim to abide by a certain "code" in that they don't go out of their way to screw over another team . . . but in this case, I don't see why a GM of another western team wouldn't want to claim Nabakov and stop Detroit from getting him. Especially a team like Vancouver, or better yet Chicago (who could really use him), or teams like Dallas, Nashville, Colorado.
And who is to say that Nabakov would not play for any of those legitimate contenders for the cup? He would certainly give them a better chance, that's for sure.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 01/21/2011 : 06:54:55
Wow, go to one hockey game and miss all of this??
Firstly, the waiver wire works for every NHL team. So even Philly and and Van will have a shot at him. He has to clear every other team to be able to be recalled.
Secondly, to Slozo's question, it is first come first serve based on worst to first at the time of the signing.
Thirdly, there is always an out for a player. They don't have to play. If say Jersey pick up Nabokov and he doesn't want to play there, he just doesn't show up. He won't get paid and he won't be able to play for the duration of his contract for any other NHL team. No players has to honor his contract.
Finally, to the point of a team signing a free agent, losing them to another team on the waiver and then getting compensation for it??? What?? That's absurd. That team knows the rules and understands the risks involved when they sign the player. Compensation for a team getting duped by another team following the rules??? Nope, not in my world. |
| T-RAV |
Posted - 01/21/2011 : 04:49:31
quote:
Originally posted by slozo
I also cannot imagine another team not picking him up on the waiver wire . . . but someone please explain to me - how does it work when more than team wants him? Do they bid on him, or is first one to talk to him gets him?
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
Slozo, I read somewhere, that the teams get the option to claim him in reverse order of the standings(worst to first).
Therefore, it is my understanding that the only 2 teams that wont have a crack at him (before Det gets to keep him) are Van and Philly. |
| Guest4959 |
Posted - 01/21/2011 : 03:56:04
nuxfan the only problem with any team taking him is they have to plan to keep him on the NHL team, no one can send him to the AHL this year, pasted from tsn : Also, he is ineligible to play in American Hockey League this season due to league rules regarding free agents coming from Europe after Decemeber 15. |
| Guest9885 |
Posted - 01/21/2011 : 03:21:19
Why is the money so low? Thought he was worth considerably more than that. Is there some baggage with him or what? |
| n/a |
Posted - 01/21/2011 : 03:05:53
I also cannot imagine another team not picking him up on the waiver wire . . . but someone please explain to me - how does it work when more than team wants him? Do they bid on him, or is first one to talk to him gets him?
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 01/20/2011 : 22:55:34
Apparently the contract amount is for 570K for the remainder of the year - so a 250K cap hit based on pro-rated amount.
I cannot believe that someone else will not pickup a goalie like Nabokov for a 250K cap hit tomorrow when he hits the waiver wire. Hell, even the Canucks might pick him up for that little money and put him with the Moose, just so DET doesn't get their hands on him.
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| KariyaSelanne |
Posted - 01/20/2011 : 22:34:12
I say someone takes him just so Detroit can't, damn I hate those Red Wings |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 01/20/2011 : 22:11:32
Go Habs Go.....i assume the video you posted a link for was to confirm the signing of Nabby in Detroit? I couldn't wait to watch it announced, especially when the video wanted me to watch a commercial for 30 seconds so i've copied a link from USA today for anyone intersted in reading about it.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/wings/2011-01-20-evgeni-nabokov-interest_N.htm
Now we wait to see if any other teams decide they want him as an insurance policy. A pretty reasonably priced one i might add! |
