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| fanoleaf |
Posted - 11/06/2008 : 14:33:41
Should Sean Avery be allowed to continue his antics? |
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| Guest8116 |
Posted - 04/07/2009 : 12:45:01
Well i havn't seen Torterella (sp?) complaining or even stating his displeasure with the thomas incident, therefore i would have to guess that he actually condons or even told avery to go out and do this, because we all know from past experiences that torterella is not one to bite his tongue |
| irvine |
Posted - 04/06/2009 : 18:51:07
I had to pick other.
I believe that some antics in the NHL are tolerable. But everything reaches a limit at some point. I believe Avery tends to take things too far, too often.
If he did these silly things once in a blue moon, perhaps it would be more tolerable. But this guy does so many remedial things, day in - day out.
I don't believe the NHL has room for Sean Avery any more. I'd even prefer Jarkko Ruutu over Avery. Ruutu, like Avery, does a lot of silly things. But he doesn't seem to do as many, as often.
That's all for now. :p
Irvine |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 04/06/2009 : 15:17:59
I don't agree with Avery's actions all of the time, but in this case, I think the media is making a mountain out of a mole hill. If it was any other player, it would not have been news worth. But it's Avery, so all of a sudden is tragic.
As I said, I don't agree with it, but there are other things that happen in a game that are as bad or worse that are never discussed. Similar to MSC's example, at last weeks Oilers/Sharks game, Roenick received a penalty for goaltender interference. During the play, Roloson hacked at Roenick. This is as bad if not worse and no one said work one about it.
Finally, I personally get excited watching a game where Avery is involved. You might not like it, but there is a certain "What is he going to do next" factor. And this latest one with Thomas, it made me laugh. Not the action, but the "What did I do wrong?" look that Avery had on the bench.
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| fat_elvis_rocked |
Posted - 04/06/2009 : 10:05:34
Ohhh....okay....I'll assume you meant that constructively, since, if your profile is correct, I was watching hockey and playing at elite levels before you were born. , pretty sure I have an idea of 'what goes on behind the play'.
Agitating during the play, yes, common, and valuable if done correctly. Esa Tikanen almost drove Lemieux to drink, but he did it during the game, not this cheap b.s that Avery does. Had he given Thomas a stick during the play, I could understand that,and call it being competitive as well, but with him, it's the cheap theatrics that tarnish it. That's the anomaly of Avery, when he does this stuff during the play, it's effective as hell. It's the fact that he seems to have trouble controlling it, and always steps over that line between competitiveness and ridiculousness.
Enough said...I'd hate to be someone who, when thinking Avery, can't let it go..
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| MSC |
Posted - 04/06/2009 : 05:50:10
I'd have a tough time calling what he did a "whack" a tap perhaps. I encourage you to sit down and watch a game, not nessecarily just the play but pay attention to whats going on between the players behind the play and away from the puck. Stuff like this is extremely common at all levels of hockey. Avery does it and apparantly it's news, Brodeur hacks the back of someones unprotected calf and that's just him being a competitor. The Avery issue was dead, it's been brought back by the media and people who just can't let it go. |
| fat_elvis_rocked |
Posted - 04/05/2009 : 13:01:48
Just when you thought this topic could fade away and those, myself included, thought that there is hope for reform for people, Avery once again thrusts himself back into the forefront of hockey news...
I'm not even sure what to say at this point, at least it wasn't him trying to get another sound byte, but come on, really?
If you didn't see it, Avery, after a stoppage in play(may have been end of a period, not sure as Thomas was way out of the net), skates up behind Tim Thomas, who is stretching I think, and with perhaps the worst 'who me?' bit of acting, proceeds to whack Thomas on the back of the head with his stick.....ugh!!
I don't get it, is he really worth it?
Earlier in the week, he spends the game doing his usual pestering in front of Brodeur, fair enough, that's what he does, and attracts what would normally happen to anyone else, an opponent, Clarkson, who takes exception to what he's doing. Avery, being the brave little Gimli that he is, does what you would expect any hard-nosed forward to do. Locks up, drops his glove(shakes it off, watch the replay), and then acts like he wants nothing to do with the altercation.
Again, I don't get it....someone, please explain how he is a benefit to the sport in any way, any way at all.
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| Avalanche_17 |
Posted - 01/15/2009 : 12:48:36
hahaha, he is definitely a goon. I don't know if he is one because he wants attention or what all I know is it is just getting annoying. I don't even now if he belongs in the league. By the looks of it its not looking like anyone will take him. It is just there is a line between making the game more interesting to watch and just screwing around and saying stupid stuff just to get a reaction. And also, what I find surprising, which I might be wrong about, but Avery is always at the front when it comes to starting stuff with words but I rarely see him actually follow through with what he says with action..... |
| JERJ2008 |
Posted - 01/14/2009 : 17:08:24
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Originally posted by Leafsfan_94
i dont know, i kinda like avery. i mean, i hate him for what he said to blake, about his cancer. but out of all the goons in the NHL, hes the best one. he can score goals, and i love how he gets under players skin
Leafsfan_94
Do you really think Avery is a goon? Or is he just a kid who wasn't hugged enough? |
| Reeder17 |
Posted - 01/14/2009 : 08:32:41
quote:
Originally posted by Guest6732
pretty sure every coach in the nhl would love to have a player like sean in there line up unless there stuck up
Yeah that's why Dallas is already weighing options to put him on waivers and get rid of him. And thats why they havn't received a single offer.
Crosby is not the Jesus Lord & Savior of the NHL, get over yourself McGuire. |
| I´m also Cånädiön |
Posted - 12/12/2008 : 14:29:33
Fun read with ideas about what Sean Avery will do in the future:
http://slapshot.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/12/hockey-night-in-blogdom-whither-sean-avery/ |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 12/10/2008 : 13:31:58
Just to close off one of these arguement, I agree that NHL players should carry themselves at a higher standard because of the spotlight they are under. I agree that under age drinking, drinking and driving etc are all things that should be dealt with. My point is that it's not the NHL's issue to deal with. To me, it is up to the specific team and/or the NHLPA to manage these kinds of player issues. Also, it's the responsibility of the players to conduct themselves to a higher standard.
Now, onto other discipline. My issue has been (and I have public stated before) that the NHL discipline has been flawed for ever. The point of the discipline is to change behavior and to remove unwanted activities from the game. However, the discipline has been ineffective for the most part. Reason being is that the disciple has been based on who the player is and what the outcome is. All that is saying is that if you are a superstar, you will not get the same treatment as a non-superstar. Also, if the other player does not get hurt, the suspension will not be as harsh. For the NHL to actually get thigs right, it is the action that needs to be punished, not the outcome and the player involved.
Using the example of the the Simon skate stomping incident. As soon as that happened, the NHL releases a memo to the entire league stating that if a player is deems as using the skate in an attempt to inflict harm on another player, it will be a minimum 30 game suspension and could result in a permenant ban for NHL hockey. Done. Now all the players clearly understand the consequence and weather it's Jeff Woywitka or Sidney Crosby, all players will be punished the same. |
| Ripley |
Posted - 12/09/2008 : 17:20:14
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Originally posted by andyhack
The question here, in my mind, is the way these things generally seem to be reacted to, is WAY out of whack with the reaction to other FAR more serious things.
I mean, noone is saying it this extremely so, what the hell, I will.
If a "sloppy seconds" comment gets you 6 games, why doesn't, for just one example, stepping on a player, border-line intentionally, a la Simon, get you AT LEAST 60 games? Is it not, AT LEAST, TEN TIMES worse an offense?
And don't give me "the 30 games Simon got is a lot" crap as an answer. When you think about in these terms, it's just five of Sean's sloppy ex girlfriends!
Andy don't even get me started about the Simon sitution. how then can Pronger do the same thing and get 0 games? Crazy. I will say exactly what you don't want people to say - 30 games IS a lot! It was too much, but he had it coming. Simon paid because of his reputation...and so has Avery. If it were anyone else who said what Avery said they would have gotten a lighter sentence but I can't think of anyone else who is that much of an idiot to even say such a thing in public. It's like OJ Simpson, he got 30 years!!! Are you kidding me!? Like Avery he's paying the price for his previous get out of jail free card. If you keep pushing it eventually you're going to pay the price and then some.
Anyway I don't know if what Simon did was 10 x worse but I can tell you 6 games feels right to me. Far too many people cry out for harsher suspensions but iIf they suspend any more frequently and any more harshly there wont be anyone left to play in the NHL. hey maybe we'd all get a shot in the bigs! |
| fanoleaf |
Posted - 12/09/2008 : 16:25:31
Andy I agree with you that there are certainly worse incidents occurring in the NHL and they are not being given the same attention that this suspension has received. From the Simon incident, Bertuzzi to hits from behind. Something has to give here.
Regarding Avery, I think that the league has felt pressure to react to his multiple actions, he has received a lot of media attention because of his actions. We all know that the media craves guys like him, he is solely responsible for how many reporters jobs?? Another example is the Sundin saga.... but that's another story.
Is the "sloppy seconds" comment so bad? Probably not, but given the fact that he called the media in to make this statement, than yes it was done in bad taste and not in the forum that hockey / locker talk normally occurs in. I am sure there are worse things said in the locker rooms and on the ice. In this case, because of his track record and mostly because he made the comments to the media, the NHL and the team had to make a point and discipline.
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| andyhack |
Posted - 12/09/2008 : 14:59:32
The question here, in my mind, is the way these things generally seem to be reacted to, is WAY out of whack with the reaction to other FAR more serious things.
I mean, noone is saying it this extremely so, what the hell, I will.
If a "sloppy seconds" comment gets you 6 games, why doesn't, for just one example, stepping on a player, border-line intentionally, a la Simon, get you AT LEAST 60 games? Is it not, AT LEAST, TEN TIMES worse an offense?
And don't give me "the 30 games Simon got is a lot" crap as an answer. When you think about in these terms, it's just five of Sean's sloppy ex girlfriends! |
| ThorntonisTHEMAN |
Posted - 12/09/2008 : 08:08:55
Ha ha Beans. Your wife must hate arguing with you! You are never wrong! 
I can accept your argument and even agree with you. And I will try and be a man and accept that I may have been wrong!
HOWEVER, I still believe that since players are constantly in the public eye and are being looked up at and viewed as heroes by millions of kids, they HAVE to hold a higher moral standard. Underage drinking and drunk driving are NOT acceptable for someone that my kids look up to! (I don't have kids but if I did, it would not be acceptable) Now, is it the NHL's job to discipline them? Maybe not. But the players HAVE to understand that they cannot get away with things just cuz they are hockey players. And i believe that they have to hold a higher moral standard because of their influence on kids.
"I'm not dumb enough to be a goalie."
Brett Hull. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 12/08/2008 : 16:53:43
If I am not at work and not directly involved in any kind of work activity, then you damn rights I still have a job. It would be against the law for the company to fire me.
Let say for example that me and a buddy from work are going out to watch a hockey game and there is a blizzard outside. I lose control of my car and run into a lightpost. Unfortunately, but buddy is killed. It is found through the investigation that I was at fault for not driving to the conditions of the road. HOW THE HELL DOES THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH MY JOB????
Let's have another example. I am an 18 yr old construction worker in Idaho just out of high school. When I was in high school, I was the starting QB of the state champion football team from Boise. I decide to go out on a week end and have a few beers with my buddies. We go to a bar and I get in without getting ID'ed. All of a sudden, the Cops come into the bar and notice me and know I am under age. They take me to the cop shop and charge me with under age drinking. WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH MY JOB???
I don't think some of you get it. In "the real world" there are many things that one can do on my free time that have no impact on their job, so why would it be different in the NHL?
On the other hand, if I stand up at a Company presentation and talk about the trend in the organization of people picking up my "sloppy seconds," you're damn right I will have to deal with some kind of negative consequence. Ultimately, that would go against most companies sexual harrassment policy and would more than likely lead to a suspension at the least. Hence my opinion that the NHL got this suspension dead right.
Now, any action that happens on the ice, you have a valid arguement on. Although I don't agree with you, I can't argue your opinion if you feel that some supensions(Bertuzzi/Moore) for example, were weak. However, if a hockey player does something stupid that has nothing to do with the sport or thier team, that's not any of the NHL's business to discipline. |
| admin |
Posted - 12/08/2008 : 15:56:14
Here is a great video interview on NHL.com with NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman on the Avery suspension.
http://www.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?&id=27403
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| DangleFest89 |
Posted - 12/06/2008 : 22:47:00
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
quote:
Originally posted by ThorntonisTHEMAN
I dunno how many people I have heard say that "NHL players need to be examples for the general public." I've heard Bettman say it, I've heard coaches and managers say it. I've heard players say it. I've heard pundits say it. I also completely agree with it. Players are making tons of money and are constantly in the public eye so they have a duty to be responsible people for kids (and grownups) to look up to.
If this really is the NHL's goal, to have players be examples for the public, then yes, they need to get involved in the players personal lives. Since some people on this forum like to use work as a practical example, I will do that as well. I KNOW that if I would get in trouble with the law, there would also be serious repercussions with work. That's just the way it is.
Part of the "joy" of being a professional athlete is that you don't have a personal life. Everything they do is scrutinized and therefore they must hold a higher morla standard.
Should Avery have said what he did? No. Was it rude, obnoxious, and completely inappropriate? Yes. Should he have gotten suspended? Maybe. But the NHL needs to take a harder stance on people that disobey the law if they really want to clean up the game.
"I'm not dumb enough to be a goalie."
Brett Hull.
Potential and Frequency. That is what the NHL looked at here. Think for a second about how many interviews are done by NHL players every seasons?? I can't even fathom the number. If the NHL turns a blind eye to this situation, is it not telling the other players that it is acceptable??
You teach what you allow.
There is a far higher frequency of player interviews than there is of an off ice incident and without action, there is a higher potential for a negative light on the NHL based on players comments.
And think of how many NHL players are in the league once again. Somewhere around 600-800 players will play in a season. There are maybe (and I mean maybe) 2 situations a year where a body other than the NHL gets involved in discipline. Low frequency, low potential.
The NHL got this suspension Perfect. Not too long to be stupid but long enough to send a message. Every NHL player right now knows the consequences for speaking out of turn.
The NHL is also smart enough to not get involved in legal matters.
Let me use an example. If I go out in my car on the week end and drive too fast and get in an accident killing my friend, would my employer fire me??? No, as long as I can still do my job they have no grounds to fire me.
Yeah your right but what happeneds if you kill a fellow employee you think your still going to work there? I think what hes trying to say and I agree, is that these little things are so magnafied compared to drunk driving underage drinking killing a fellow teammate that its makes no sence that if the NHL is enforcing why discipline the small things if your not going to discipline the big things to full extent as well. I don't see Moore or Snyder playing. When is there say when you can say a slurr to the media or end a persons playing career with the same results? |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 12/06/2008 : 18:56:38
quote:
Originally posted by ThorntonisTHEMAN
I dunno how many people I have heard say that "NHL players need to be examples for the general public." I've heard Bettman say it, I've heard coaches and managers say it. I've heard players say it. I've heard pundits say it. I also completely agree with it. Players are making tons of money and are constantly in the public eye so they have a duty to be responsible people for kids (and grownups) to look up to.
If this really is the NHL's goal, to have players be examples for the public, then yes, they need to get involved in the players personal lives. Since some people on this forum like to use work as a practical example, I will do that as well. I KNOW that if I would get in trouble with the law, there would also be serious repercussions with work. That's just the way it is.
Part of the "joy" of being a professional athlete is that you don't have a personal life. Everything they do is scrutinized and therefore they must hold a higher morla standard.
Should Avery have said what he did? No. Was it rude, obnoxious, and completely inappropriate? Yes. Should he have gotten suspended? Maybe. But the NHL needs to take a harder stance on people that disobey the law if they really want to clean up the game.
"I'm not dumb enough to be a goalie."
Brett Hull.
Potential and Frequency. That is what the NHL looked at here. Think for a second about how many interviews are done by NHL players every seasons?? I can't even fathom the number. If the NHL turns a blind eye to this situation, is it not telling the other players that it is acceptable??
You teach what you allow.
There is a far higher frequency of player interviews than there is of an off ice incident and without action, there is a higher potential for a negative light on the NHL based on players comments.
And think of how many NHL players are in the league once again. Somewhere around 600-800 players will play in a season. There are maybe (and I mean maybe) 2 situations a year where a body other than the NHL gets involved in discipline. Low frequency, low potential.
The NHL got this suspension Perfect. Not too long to be stupid but long enough to send a message. Every NHL player right now knows the consequences for speaking out of turn.
The NHL is also smart enough to not get involved in legal matters.
Let me use an example. If I go out in my car on the week end and drive too fast and get in an accident killing my friend, would my employer fire me??? No, as long as I can still do my job they have no grounds to fire me. |
| ThorntonisTHEMAN |
Posted - 12/06/2008 : 13:07:34
I dunno how many people I have heard say that "NHL players need to be examples for the general public." I've heard Bettman say it, I've heard coaches and managers say it. I've heard players say it. I've heard pundits say it. I also completely agree with it. Players are making tons of money and are constantly in the public eye so they have a duty to be responsible people for kids (and grownups) to look up to.
If this really is the NHL's goal, to have players be examples for the public, then yes, they need to get involved in the players personal lives. Since some people on this forum like to use work as a practical example, I will do that as well. I KNOW that if I would get in trouble with the law, there would also be serious repercussions with work. That's just the way it is.
Part of the "joy" of being a professional athlete is that you don't have a personal life. Everything they do is scrutinized and therefore they must hold a higher morla standard.
Should Avery have said what he did? No. Was it rude, obnoxious, and completely inappropriate? Yes. Should he have gotten suspended? Maybe. But the NHL needs to take a harder stance on people that disobey the law if they really want to clean up the game.
"I'm not dumb enough to be a goalie."
Brett Hull. |
| leigh |
Posted - 12/06/2008 : 11:16:31
quote:
Originally posted by ThorntonisTHEMAN
quote:
Originally posted by slozo
I am of the mind that a comment like "sloppy seconds" (which is fair enough, said in private, to the famous puck-bunny Cuthbert) is common enough - just not in public. I think the NHL did a good job to suspend him a bit to show they don't condone that crap off-ice. On the other hand, the NHL has chosen not to suspend other players in the past for beating the crap out of someone or getting busted for coke possession in the off-season or underage drinking. Morality, for the NHL, is only dear when it's very public, it would seem.
couldn't have said it better myself! The NHL didn't suspend the Staal brothers for underage drinking. The NHL didn't suspend Dany Heatley for killing Dan Snyder in the auto crash due to speed. The NHL suspended Mark Bell for only 15 games after a drunk driving, hit-and-run incident, that being his SECOND serious traffic accident. Todd Bertuzzi only got 20 games + playoffs for ending the career and ALMOST killing Steve Moore. Matt Johnson only got 12 games for deliberately injuring Jeff Beukeboom who NEVER PLAYED AGAIN! Personally, these things are way more serious than calling someone "sloppy seconds" If the NHL is so serious about its image and "respecting the other players", they should clean up the cheap shots on ice and the dangerous and illegal stuff off-ice.
"I'm not dumb enough to be a goalie."
Brett Hull.
Thorntonistheman, I completely disagree. The NHL has no right to (or at least limited rights) to go into someone's PERSONAL life. Half of the examples you cited had absolutely nothing to do with hockey.
- Heatley and Snyder - nothing to do with hockey
- Mark Bell drunk hit and run - nothing to do with hockey
The NHL should have nothing to do with these UNLESS they impede the player from performing his duties. And in that case the punishment, or corrective measures, should be based on that, not the "legal" or "moral" issue (which is a respnsibility of the public courts)
Basically if the NHL wants the courts to stay out of the rink so they can police themselves, then the same should hold true outside of the rink and the NHL should stay out of personal legal matters.
The difference with Avery is that he used the NHL's platform to push his personal agenda...which also happened to be hockey related. He was acting as a professional NHL player when he "performed" his act.
The NHL got this suspension PERFECT. |
| ThorntonisTHEMAN |
Posted - 12/06/2008 : 08:32:00
quote:
Originally posted by slozo
I am of the mind that a comment like "sloppy seconds" (which is fair enough, said in private, to the famous puck-bunny Cuthbert) is common enough - just not in public. I think the NHL did a good job to suspend him a bit to show they don't condone that crap off-ice. On the other hand, the NHL has chosen not to suspend other players in the past for beating the crap out of someone or getting busted for coke possession in the off-season or underage drinking. Morality, for the NHL, is only dear when it's very public, it would seem.
couldn't have said it better myself! The NHL didn't suspend the Staal brothers for underage drinking. The NHL didn't suspend Dany Heatley for killing Dan Snyder in the auto crash due to speed. The NHL suspended Mark Bell for only 15 games after a drunk driving, hit-and-run incident, that being his SECOND serious traffic accident. Todd Bertuzzi only got 20 games + playoffs for ending the career and ALMOST killing Steve Moore. Matt Johnson only got 12 games for deliberately injuring Jeff Beukeboom who NEVER PLAYED AGAIN! Personally, these things are way more serious than calling someone "sloppy seconds" If the NHL is so serious about its image and "respecting the other players", they should clean up the cheap shots on ice and the dangerous and illegal stuff off-ice.
"I'm not dumb enough to be a goalie."
Brett Hull. |
| admin |
Posted - 12/05/2008 : 15:24:44
"Dallas Stars forward Sean Avery has been suspended for six games, without pay, as a result of inappropriate public comments that he made Tuesday in Calgary.
Avery has agreed to seek a professional anger management evaluation and, if necessary, structured counseling in response to a pattern of unacceptable and antisocial behavior."
more on the article here... http://www.pickuphockey.com/hockeynews.aspx?article=7013302083 |
| n/a |
Posted - 12/05/2008 : 09:50:44
I voted "other".
It is not up to the NHL to allow Avery to continue his off-ice antics or not . . . it is up to them to fine or suspend him if they deem it necessary, that's it.
I am of the mind that a comment like "sloppy seconds" (which is fair enough, said in private, to the famous puck-bunny Cuthbert) is common enough - just not in public. I think the NHL did a good job to suspend him a bit to show they don't condone that crap off-ice. On the other hand, the NHL has chosen not to suspend other players in the past for beating the crap out of someone or getting busted for coke possession in the off-season or underage drinking. Morality, for the NHL, is only dear when it's very public, it would seem.
So I don't get up on my moral high-horse for this one . . . because really, this stuff sorts itself out. Dallas will most assuredly be getting rid of a player who becomes too much of a negative distraction, and teams will be reluctant to pick up a player who is seen as a bit of a cancer in the dressing room.
Between you, and me, and the deep blue sea - the Calgary player who is Elisha's new boyfriend (can't remember who) did indeed get very, very sloppy seconds.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| rross |
Posted - 12/05/2008 : 08:51:16
In my opinion, Sean stepped way over the line. Hockey has a certain respect that sets it apart from other sports. Condoning or supporting these antics can only hurt hockey and take away from the game, what so many players, coaches, etc.. have worked hard over many years, to maintain. And that is respect for the sport and it's members.l
Go Habs Go!! |
| fat_elvis_rocked |
Posted - 12/05/2008 : 06:49:16
I would agree with you Andyhack....except.....this is Sean Avery we're talking about. This isn't J.R, Brett Hull, Chelios etc. who were not only outspoken, but had a couple things they did different. The above all still managed to maintain some class, sort of, in their diatribes with the press, and if they were any in sort of personal media confrontations, they at least confined it to opponents, and ususally in the heat of a playoff battle or similar circumstance. They were all star players who were expected to be available to the media.
They were not, mediocre role players that went out of their way to have their mugs in front of the cameras.
As I mentioned before, I am of the opinion that this current suspension to Avery has more to do with the cumulative effects of his nonsense and Bettman has finally had enough of it. I still can't figure where the upside is to the leauge, or any team, to have this guy contiinue. I still think a lengthy suspension is warranted, to maybe force Avery to reconsider his self-inflated importance to the game, as he has nowhere near the talent to back up his rhetoric. If he can ever get over himself and play the game in an agitator's role, without the media BS, then maybe he could briing some value, but at 10-15 goals, with all the dressing room dissention he brings? Not needed. |
| andyhack |
Posted - 12/04/2008 : 15:02:18
I don't know guys, to me this is like Al Capone going down for cheating on his income taxes.
First, I don't like the guy anymore than many of you.
BUT, guys, lets not be hypocritical here. Many of us probably say things at one time or other about our exes that might not be in the best taste. In this case, yes, he did it on TV and that is wrong, but it does seem to me kind of twisted that the guy who was, for just one example, trying to make a natural move out of standing in front of a goalie and waving his stick, should go down for really, when you come right down to it, two words that only his ex could have really, to a major degree, been hurt by.
Was he wrong? Yes.
Does he deserve some sort of scolding from somebody? Yes, probably.
But given all this guy has done, is the general reaction to this incident (the degree of it I mean) yet another example that we can hold up to our kids when explaining that "this is one BIZARRO world kiddo". Yes to that too! |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 12/04/2008 : 13:25:33
quote:
Originally posted by fat_elvis_rocked
I'm hoping that's it's a cumulative suspension, he's not new to this sort negative attention. Plus the fact that he's now dragging non NHL persons into his drivel, where does liability stand if someone outside the NHL decides that he's being slanderous?
Doesn't matter, I suppose would be the argument, but the fact remains, his antics far outweigh his ability on the ice and he's supposed to be a professional. Every business has some sort of business conduct guidelines employees have to follow, with serious repercussions if not, why not him?
I can pretty much guarantee that if I was to go on television and spout slanderous statements, negatively criticize my employer, and publicly trash talk co-workers, I'd be eating at a soup kitchen.
exactly where i work i have to keep my facebook nice and clean, i have to watch what i say at all times because when you work for an employer you are representing them,, therefore avery is responsible for his actions ,, a colleague of mine was suspended for a week for comments he made on his facebook page,,, if for my salary this can happen to me i see no reason why sean avery a role model cannot be suspended for his actions,
Pasty |
| ED11 |
Posted - 12/04/2008 : 11:06:31
I cannot stand this guy. I have never thought his antics helped anyone. I did think that for his style of play, he actually did have some hockey talent. This however is just going too far.
The guy loves the media. He wants his face on TV. I'm sorry but this guy should not have been a hockey player. He should have went into fashion or acting or some other Hollywood related business. It is completely ridiculous to have this guy representing the NHL or the Dallas Stars or whatever. If I was apart of the Dallas Stars I would be embarrassed and ashamed. I believe that despite what Turco and Richards and everyone else have told the media, this guy is a serious distraction to ANY team he plays on.
Just ridiculous. |
| wyntyre |
Posted - 12/03/2008 : 13:34:04
LOL...I must say laughed pretty hard at what he said, but really....the league hadda make it so he couldn't play I mean suddenly Andre Roy would be dressed, and Avery would get his ass kicked 4 times, Roy, Phaneuf, Iggy and Prust. The guy is a serious idiot, and to say that in an interview....not smart at all. |
| tbar |
Posted - 12/03/2008 : 12:37:51
Fat Elvis I have to agree with you. It doesn't matter who you are you cant go around saying whatever you want. I would have loved to have gotten the chance to see the Flames beat down on Avery and see the Stars just watch and not do a thing about it. |
| Canucks Man |
Posted - 12/03/2008 : 12:30:33
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Originally posted by Alex
I'm as right-winged as it gets, but hell, I love this guy.
If what he said had any remote impact on anyone, than ya, maybe it would tick me off. But, as much as I think his character is a bad one, it doesn't impact me other than to lighten my day. And to be honest, I love it. Pure entertainment.
It's trash, but it's the funny kind. Kind of like that Oscar guy on Sesame Street. No harm here. Lighten up guys.
Make sure to cast your votes in the PickUpHockey Hall of Fame
Its not entertainment when it is directly ment to hurt other people, those people being, Dion Phanuef, Elisha Cuthbert, Jarett Stoll and Rachel Hunter. I don't understand why anyone would offer this guy a contract. I hope the Dallas owner suspends him the rest of the year, it might actually teach him a lesson, if he never gets punished he will just keep on being the a****** he is.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
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| fat_elvis_rocked |
Posted - 12/03/2008 : 09:24:36
I'm hoping that's it's a cumulative suspension, he's not new to this sort negative attention. Plus the fact that he's now dragging non NHL persons into his drivel, where does liability stand if someone outside the NHL decides that he's being slanderous?
Doesn't matter, I suppose would be the argument, but the fact remains, his antics far outweigh his ability on the ice and he's supposed to be a professional. Every business has some sort of business conduct guidelines employees have to follow, with serious repercussions if not, why not him?
I can pretty much guarantee that if I was to go on television and spout slanderous statements, negatively criticize my employer, and publicly trash talk co-workers, I'd be eating at a soup kitchen. |
| TimHorton |
Posted - 12/03/2008 : 07:51:06
All right the guy is a hot head.
But come on getting suspened indefinitly for a "sloppy seconds" comment. I can see how the NHL does not want people to think they embrace that behaviour in a interview, however what ever happened to freedom of speech ? Lets face it locker room talk is worse, he is a young guy with a big chip on his shoulder, and he is a bitter ex.
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| Radoria |
Posted - 12/03/2008 : 07:37:21
Sorry, that should be "mouth", not "moutn". |
| Radoria |
Posted - 12/03/2008 : 07:35:44
I also picked other because Sean isn't good for his team or the game of hockey. He's a classless player and runs away whenever challenged. If the coward would back up his talk once and awhile maybe people would take him more seriously. I find that mediocre players tend to run their moutn off most often, since their skill set is lacking. |
| fat_elvis_rocked |
Posted - 12/03/2008 : 07:16:42
I find it hard to believe that people are actually 'defending' his actions and calling it entertaining. Entertaining in an 'Intervention', or 'Dr. Drew Celebrity Rehab', kinda way I guess....
If he trash talked a player on the ice like that, maybe I could understand it and mark it up to his agitator role, but to use the media, who are not the brightest at using judgement as well, as his vehicle for agitation, just screams of poor taste. Even on the ice, some of the crap he's done...unbelievable. You think Jason Blake needs Avery to remind him of his personal battles? You think Cuthbert needs to be referred to in that derogatory manner? All so Avery can get his 15 minutes of fame?
What's next for Avery? Dog fights and illegal weapons charges? It's a professional sport, and like it or not, these athletes have to carry themselves in a manner that is somewhat responsible, he just can't seem to do it, I'm sure someone else can, making him dispensible. The NHL has enough problems marketing the game outside of it's base fans, why market it on the idiocy of this guy? |
| Axey |
Posted - 12/02/2008 : 19:28:55
I was watching OTR today and they were all pumped to see him get whooped tonight, to bad he got suspended. That wouldv'e been awesome to see, soon enough someone will get him. He such a terrible guy but he entertains me so I like it.
Chicago Blackhawks GM
Jesus didn't tap. |
| DangleFest89 |
Posted - 12/02/2008 : 19:14:43
Avery's a hero for that hey maybe hes just trying to pump up his s***ty team now that there looking pretty bad or make the other team do stupid s*** next game so they can actually have a chance I kinda respect it lol |
| fat_elvis_rocked |
Posted - 12/02/2008 : 17:57:08
And finally, the league has done something about the biggest idiot in professional sports....
Every time he opens his mouth, you can just see future reality show loser written all over him. He makes the folks from Surreal Life look like the friggin Partridge Family. I don't think of Elisa Cuthbert so much as sloppy seconds, but as a girl who just finally got tired of dating an obnoxious version of Gimli.
I hope the suspension is permanent, as I cannot for the life of me see what Avery brings to the game of professional hockey, that is worth more than having to put up with his crap. There are hundreds, if not more, 15 goal(that's his best season yet by the way), role players out there, that have as much talent as him, without all the baggage.
He brings toughness? ... in a Teenage Mutant Ninja TURTLE kinda way I guess...he's an agitator?....of course he is, just with absolutely no class, he makes Ken Linseman and Esa Tikanen look like Lady Byng winners.
This is a guy who had the chance to do what most of us only ever dreamed of doing, and how does he repay us, and the game?
By being a beligerent redneck, who is more interested in a sound byte and his own self-deluded opinions and worth.
I don't think he deserves a beating, he just deserves to be ignored. By keeping him in an arena where the reporters clamor for controversy, his ignorance and self-importance only continue to rise.
Time to cut him loose and he can continue with his 'passion for fashion' sideline, and then at least he has a chance at being the 'best dressed', on a future episode of 'Whatever happened to....'
He doesn't disgust me, so much as disappoint me. He should just be left to drift into his void of self-appreciation, and let one of their prospects play, if they can tie their own skates, they're already more mature.
And yes, I know, in a post above, I said I was tossed in my opinion. Not anymore. |
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