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| leigh |
Posted - 01/04/2009 : 14:47:44
I am absolutely blown away at how pathetic the current All-Star voting system is. Having fans determine how the lineup should look drives me crazy!
4 Habs starting for the East. You can't honestly think that the hockey world wants FOUR Canadiens to start. Good on the Hab fans to mobilize their voting force to pull this off, but in no way, shape, or form is this representative of the way the hockey universe feels! AND no Ovechkin starting in the east?!?! Seriously?!?! Now look at the West...guys like Iginla, Thornton and Datsyuk aren't starting. That's just crazy!
What they need to do is go back to the old system of coaches and the media voting AND have the fans vote too, but collectively their votes only count as 1 or 2 votes in the whole system. Because right now, this is terrible! It is truly a joke! |
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| Guest6229 |
Posted - 01/27/2009 : 22:33:43
i totally agree
i mean alexie kovalev captain common make malkin or someone else more desrving
and wat was the deal with 4 montreal canadieans being i nthe starting line up |
| admin |
Posted - 01/27/2009 : 10:53:55
Reeder17, please stay on topic. |
| Reeder17 |
Posted - 01/27/2009 : 10:37:03
quote:
Originally posted by Axey
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Originally posted by Reeder17
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Originally posted by Axey
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Originally posted by Reeder17
Komisarek
0G 0A 0PTS -1 2PIM 2GV
No points, no anything. Minus one. 2 Giveaways. Not to mention the only penalty in the whole game because he can't skate.
I think it's safe to say voting is a joke, Komisarek is a joke.
HAHAHAHA
Crosby is not the Jesus Lord & Savior of the NHL, get over yourself McGuire.
Gretzky has never once high-sticked a member of the Toronto Maple Leafs.
J. Carter 0G - 0A - 0PTS -3
I. Kovalchuk 0G - 0A - 0PTS -2
T. Vanek 0G - 0A - 0PTS -3
Yeah these guys are definitely a joke too right? lol Komisarek wasn't put in the Allstar game to produce, the fans put him in, voting might be a joke but no need to bash the poor guy. The game is over, everyone had a good time, let's just move on.
Thanks Canadian fan. Thanks for coming out.
Crosby is not the Jesus Lord & Savior of the NHL, get over yourself McGuire.
Gretzky has never once high-sticked a member of the Toronto Maple Leafs.
Correction .. Canadien* 
French should not be recognized as an official language of Canada, so I'll say CanadiAn.
Crosby is not the Jesus Lord & Savior of the NHL, get over yourself McGuire.
Gretzky has never once high-sticked a member of the Toronto Maple Leafs. |
| Axey |
Posted - 01/26/2009 : 11:58:05
quote:
Originally posted by Reeder17
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Originally posted by Axey
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Originally posted by Reeder17
Komisarek
0G 0A 0PTS -1 2PIM 2GV
No points, no anything. Minus one. 2 Giveaways. Not to mention the only penalty in the whole game because he can't skate.
I think it's safe to say voting is a joke, Komisarek is a joke.
HAHAHAHA
Crosby is not the Jesus Lord & Savior of the NHL, get over yourself McGuire.
Gretzky has never once high-sticked a member of the Toronto Maple Leafs.
J. Carter 0G - 0A - 0PTS -3
I. Kovalchuk 0G - 0A - 0PTS -2
T. Vanek 0G - 0A - 0PTS -3
Yeah these guys are definitely a joke too right? lol Komisarek wasn't put in the Allstar game to produce, the fans put him in, voting might be a joke but no need to bash the poor guy. The game is over, everyone had a good time, let's just move on.
Thanks Canadian fan. Thanks for coming out.
Crosby is not the Jesus Lord & Savior of the NHL, get over yourself McGuire.
Gretzky has never once high-sticked a member of the Toronto Maple Leafs.
Correction .. Canadien* |
| Guest6187 |
Posted - 01/26/2009 : 08:18:02
Some people just can't let it go. |
| Reeder17 |
Posted - 01/25/2009 : 20:36:11
quote:
Originally posted by Axey
quote:
Originally posted by Reeder17
Komisarek
0G 0A 0PTS -1 2PIM 2GV
No points, no anything. Minus one. 2 Giveaways. Not to mention the only penalty in the whole game because he can't skate.
I think it's safe to say voting is a joke, Komisarek is a joke.
HAHAHAHA
Crosby is not the Jesus Lord & Savior of the NHL, get over yourself McGuire.
Gretzky has never once high-sticked a member of the Toronto Maple Leafs.
J. Carter 0G - 0A - 0PTS -3
I. Kovalchuk 0G - 0A - 0PTS -2
T. Vanek 0G - 0A - 0PTS -3
Yeah these guys are definitely a joke too right? lol Komisarek wasn't put in the Allstar game to produce, the fans put him in, voting might be a joke but no need to bash the poor guy. The game is over, everyone had a good time, let's just move on.
Thanks Canadian fan. Thanks for coming out.
Crosby is not the Jesus Lord & Savior of the NHL, get over yourself McGuire.
Gretzky has never once high-sticked a member of the Toronto Maple Leafs. |
| Axey |
Posted - 01/25/2009 : 19:19:06
quote:
Originally posted by Reeder17
Komisarek
0G 0A 0PTS -1 2PIM 2GV
No points, no anything. Minus one. 2 Giveaways. Not to mention the only penalty in the whole game because he can't skate.
I think it's safe to say voting is a joke, Komisarek is a joke.
HAHAHAHA
Crosby is not the Jesus Lord & Savior of the NHL, get over yourself McGuire.
Gretzky has never once high-sticked a member of the Toronto Maple Leafs.
J. Carter 0G - 0A - 0PTS -3
I. Kovalchuk 0G - 0A - 0PTS -2
T. Vanek 0G - 0A - 0PTS -3
Yeah these guys are definitely a joke too right? lol Komisarek wasn't put in the Allstar game to produce, the fans put him in, voting might be a joke but no need to bash the poor guy. The game is over, everyone had a good time, let's just move on.
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| Reeder17 |
Posted - 01/25/2009 : 18:32:41
Komisarek
0G 0A 0PTS -1 2PIM 2GV
No points, no anything. Minus one. 2 Giveaways. Not to mention the only penalty in the whole game because he can't skate.
I think it's safe to say voting is a joke, Komisarek is a joke.
HAHAHAHA
Crosby is not the Jesus Lord & Savior of the NHL, get over yourself McGuire.
Gretzky has never once high-sticked a member of the Toronto Maple Leafs. |
| Guest0264 |
Posted - 01/16/2009 : 16:59:05
So.....back to the point...
I don't see why the NHL just doesn't allow only one vote per IP or something. Lots of other contest do that and it prevents ballot stuffing. If you know you can only vote once....maybe you won't vote for someone who doesn't deserve to be there...like what has happened this year. (I won't mention names for fear of starting another verbal war about so and so.) |
| Avalanche_17 |
Posted - 01/16/2009 : 14:09:47
So, that was interesting. LOL.  |
| admin |
Posted - 01/16/2009 : 12:31:59
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| Odin |
Posted - 01/16/2009 : 11:58:51
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Originally posted by Chriso88
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Originally posted by Odin
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Originally posted by Guest8486
true statement regarding the montreal canadians being better then the sabres, but i can tell ya that the fans arn't nearly as egotistical as the sabres fans, over a mediokre team at best.
I'm not really sure who you are taking a shot at here? Are Sabres fans egotisical?
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| Chriso88 |
Posted - 01/16/2009 : 11:09:35
quote:
Originally posted by Odin
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Originally posted by Guest8486
true statement regarding the montreal canadians being better then the sabres, but i can tell ya that the fans arn't nearly as egotistical as the sabres fans, over a mediokre team at best.
I'm not really sure who you are taking a shot at here? Are Sabres fans egotisical?
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| Odin |
Posted - 01/16/2009 : 09:42:32
quote:
Originally posted by Guest8486
true statement regarding the montreal canadians being better then the sabres, but i can tell ya that the fans arn't nearly as egotistical as the sabres fans, over a mediokre team at best.
I'm not really sure who you are taking a shot at here? Are Sabres fans egotisical? |
| Odin |
Posted - 01/16/2009 : 09:41:11
I was actually saying more about the fact that you should READ before posting. I couldn't give a damn what you are studying. Are you bragging now?
I wouldn't have to make the same arguement if I wasn't getting the same arguements.
I have never once mentioned Kovalev. |
| Guest8486 |
Posted - 01/16/2009 : 09:37:05
true statement regarding the montreal canadians being better then the sabres, but i can tell ya that the fans arn't nearly as egotistical as the sabres fans, over a mediokre team at best. |
| Guest8486 |
Posted - 01/16/2009 : 09:34:41
yea your right. Maybe I should get some hooked on phonics, as the same time as getting my Mcomm, specialising in sports administration. All just go for that. Its the reason why its called a rant. who really gives 2 sh*ts what the spelling and grammer is like. Seems thats a solid retort in any forum; your spelling and grammer is terrible.
And i was merely stating that if you were going for kovalev, I would have some few choice words about that decision
And as for reoccuring chirps. Sure your getting a point across. We've recieved them with great interpretation. about..... 5 times now.
Now, as i finish this rather small retort with a little salt and pepper that you suggested, would you care for it to be displayed in; MLA, APA, or chicago style formating, Professor (ADMIN EDIT - CONTENT REMOVED - PERSONAL ATTACK) |
| Odin |
Posted - 01/16/2009 : 09:33:46
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Originally posted by Reeder17
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Originally posted by Odin
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Originally posted by Reeder17
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Originally posted by Odin
Sorry, hadn't signed in properly.
Reeder, man you really need to put that glass pipe down. Hainsey and his -18 are better defensively than MK? I would lay money down that even Hainsey wouldn't agree with you. Defense isn't his game. He is an offensive defenseman.
Second, you would sign a 39 year old Blake who is long past his prime over somebody who is 27 and hasn't even hit his peak yet, contrary to your claims otherwise.? Your arguement about MK benefitting from playing on a good team could equally, maybe even more so, be used with regards to Blake. Perhaps you would like to explain your reasoning on this one? Again, that just destroys your credibility.
Actually there is a whole pile of your list, as I said, that couldn't hold MK's jock. I'm just not going to go over them one by one. I did however look at their plus/minus, as I said in an earlier post and over half of them are on the wrong side, with your defensive defenseman Hainsey leading the parade. As I said, due to that, I believe that you truly do not understand what MK brings to the table.
And, also contrary to your claims, MK is indeed on the #1 tandem with Markov. Georges mans the #2 tandem with Hamrlik. I would take the judgement of an NHL coach over your talent evaluation anyday. And you mention O'Byrne??!! Is the the same O'Byrne that got sent down and is currently playing for the Bulldogs?
You can be bitter about MK being in the ASG, but c'mon, don't minimalize what he brings to the table and what every other team can use. Stop the hating!
Stop the hating? It's a debateable topic. Obviousley your biased in this as even I think Lydman is better than a lot more than he actually is. MK has hit his peak pal, read my post before you respond with crap. Is that the same MK, that TSN just ripped apart for being in the All-Star game. I'll take a dozen TSN analysts over some Montreal fan that needs some research. I love how you continue to pick out one from the list. Hainsey is a solid d-man. Can you please go watch a full game that is not Montreal instead of getting your arguements from the highlight reel. Oh, wow...Komisarek is +6. A feate he would not have if he did not play on the Canadians. Hainsey plays on a mediochre team, its kind of hard to look at +/-.
I do understand what MK brings to the table. An average defenseman that I would not pay over 3 million for.
Crosby is not the Jesus Lord & Savior of the NHL, get over yourself McGuire.
Then it is truly a good thing that you are not an NHL GM. It is also blantantly obvious that you are biased. I didn't even mention Lydman, so I am not sure why you are getting your knickers in a knot over that. I did read your post. Do you think that just because you post something that makes it so, "pal"? I wouldn't be responding if I hadn't read your post. Therefore, once again, your reasoning is flawed.
I love how you keep saying I picked out one guy from your list when I've actually picked out over half your list. The reason I brought up Hainsey is because you singled him out as better than MK defensively, which is to laugh. I don't think even Hainsey would make that claim.
Further, MK with his constantly leading or in 2nd place in the hits and blocked shots categories, you may be correct that he has plateaued, but that doesn't mean he is going to decline, it means he will maintain it. I don't know of too many 27 year olds that lose their edge. If he has indeed hit his top level, being pretty much at the top of the two categories that most deem to measure defensive prowess isn't a bad place to be. Since this is what defenceman such as Volchenkov get lauded for, how would you rank Volchenkov?
Then you talk about TSN. Have you read your own tag??!! Perhaps you should read your own post before you respond with hypocracy. Ever heard of the TSN experiment with Maggie the Monkey? Do you know why they brought Maggie in? Maybe you should take your own advice and do a little of your own research so that you will realize, as the commentators themselves realize that you need to take what they say with a grain of salt. I also acknowledged that you can be bitter about him being in the ASG, and so you are.
I would take +6 from someone who has missed several games than someone who has played the entire season at -18. On top of that, you are claiming you would sign a 39 year old, who maybe has a couple of years left, over someone who is in his prime and has probably over 10 years left in his carreer.
And once again, if you would take your own advice and read what I have posted, you will see that I have stated that I understand why people think that MK shouldn't be in the ASG. And perhaps you could actually respond to what I am saying instead of ranting from left field. O'Byrne? The good team arguement applying to Blake? Asking you to explain your reasoning? The fact that I keep mentioning over half your list? Yet you keep saying I only list one. You are avoiding the facts.
Now, can I offer you a little salt and pepper to go with your words?
What does Maggie the f**** Monkey have to do with anything, are you dumb? Are you saying Bob Mckenzie does not know hockey...I hope not. Why do you just re-post your arguements. I already proved your Blake bulls*** wrong, stop bringing it up. MK should never go near an ASG. I hope he has a great time in the skills comp, oh wait...no skills. One player...-18 that plays for a s*** team. Oh..wow it really takes a lot to lead blocked shots. I would rank Volchenkov easily. Decent. Unlike MK who can go get your salt and pepper and he can join you watching your s***ty Canadians try and represent the all-stars of the league.
Crosby is not the Jesus Lord & Savior of the NHL, get over yourself McGuire.
No what I am saying is that sports commentators are not the end all and be all. I hope you don't happen to think that is the case. Commentators are wrong all the time. And that is precisely the point of what Maggie the Monkey is all about. I thought that was blantantly obvious.
Blake? You have done nothing of the sort besides destory your credibilty. What have you proven? Your lack of knowledge?
You are minimalizing the skill of blocking shots? Are you for real? Volchenkov is merely decent? Are you freakin kidding me? Exactly what I was looking for. You have just truly demonstrated that you do not value defensive defencemen.
Oh, and by the way, my sh!tty canadiens are having a better season than your even sh!tt!er Sabres |
| Odin |
Posted - 01/16/2009 : 09:23:38
quote:
Originally posted by Guest8486
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Hey Guest: ABCDEFG, hooked on Phonics works for me! Reading and writing buddy, reading and writing.
If you read my previous posts, you will see that I have stated numerous times that I understand the arguement against MK being there. My main point has been that he has a ton of value to the team the he is actually playing for. People are denigrating him for being average when nothing can be further from the truth. What he does, he does extremely well.
Further, I never once mentioned Kovalev. I will not degenerate into name calling because I understand that you rode the small bus to school and have other issues to contend with. But I understand your bitterness with being a Leafs fan and all.
And age has no bearing on skill? Seriously? Is that why there are precious few players over 40?
If you want to rip apart my posts, then please read them first so that you can make arguements that actually apply to what I am saying. |
| Reeder17 |
Posted - 01/16/2009 : 09:21:36
quote:
Originally posted by Odin
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Originally posted by Reeder17
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Originally posted by Odin
Sorry, hadn't signed in properly.
Reeder, man you really need to put that glass pipe down. Hainsey and his -18 are better defensively than MK? I would lay money down that even Hainsey wouldn't agree with you. Defense isn't his game. He is an offensive defenseman.
Second, you would sign a 39 year old Blake who is long past his prime over somebody who is 27 and hasn't even hit his peak yet, contrary to your claims otherwise.? Your arguement about MK benefitting from playing on a good team could equally, maybe even more so, be used with regards to Blake. Perhaps you would like to explain your reasoning on this one? Again, that just destroys your credibility.
Actually there is a whole pile of your list, as I said, that couldn't hold MK's jock. I'm just not going to go over them one by one. I did however look at their plus/minus, as I said in an earlier post and over half of them are on the wrong side, with your defensive defenseman Hainsey leading the parade. As I said, due to that, I believe that you truly do not understand what MK brings to the table.
And, also contrary to your claims, MK is indeed on the #1 tandem with Markov. Georges mans the #2 tandem with Hamrlik. I would take the judgement of an NHL coach over your talent evaluation anyday. And you mention O'Byrne??!! Is the the same O'Byrne that got sent down and is currently playing for the Bulldogs?
You can be bitter about MK being in the ASG, but c'mon, don't minimalize what he brings to the table and what every other team can use. Stop the hating!
Stop the hating? It's a debateable topic. Obviousley your biased in this as even I think Lydman is better than a lot more than he actually is. MK has hit his peak pal, read my post before you respond with crap. Is that the same MK, that TSN just ripped apart for being in the All-Star game. I'll take a dozen TSN analysts over some Montreal fan that needs some research. I love how you continue to pick out one from the list. Hainsey is a solid d-man. Can you please go watch a full game that is not Montreal instead of getting your arguements from the highlight reel. Oh, wow...Komisarek is +6. A feate he would not have if he did not play on the Canadians. Hainsey plays on a mediochre team, its kind of hard to look at +/-.
I do understand what MK brings to the table. An average defenseman that I would not pay over 3 million for.
Crosby is not the Jesus Lord & Savior of the NHL, get over yourself McGuire.
Then it is truly a good thing that you are not an NHL GM. It is also blantantly obvious that you are biased. I didn't even mention Lydman, so I am not sure why you are getting your knickers in a knot over that. I did read your post. Do you think that just because you post something that makes it so, "pal"? I wouldn't be responding if I hadn't read your post. Therefore, once again, your reasoning is flawed.
I love how you keep saying I picked out one guy from your list when I've actually picked out over half your list. The reason I brought up Hainsey is because you singled him out as better than MK defensively, which is to laugh. I don't think even Hainsey would make that claim.
Further, MK with his constantly leading or in 2nd place in the hits and blocked shots categories, you may be correct that he has plateaued, but that doesn't mean he is going to decline, it means he will maintain it. I don't know of too many 27 year olds that lose their edge. If he has indeed hit his top level, being pretty much at the top of the two categories that most deem to measure defensive prowess isn't a bad place to be. Since this is what defenceman such as Volchenkov get lauded for, how would you rank Volchenkov?
Then you talk about TSN. Have you read your own tag??!! Perhaps you should read your own post before you respond with hypocracy. Ever heard of the TSN experiment with Maggie the Monkey? Do you know why they brought Maggie in? Maybe you should take your own advice and do a little of your own research so that you will realize, as the commentators themselves realize that you need to take what they say with a grain of salt. I also acknowledged that you can be bitter about him being in the ASG, and so you are.
I would take +6 from someone who has missed several games than someone who has played the entire season at -18. On top of that, you are claiming you would sign a 39 year old, who maybe has a couple of years left, over someone who is in his prime and has probably over 10 years left in his carreer.
And once again, if you would take your own advice and read what I have posted, you will see that I have stated that I understand why people think that MK shouldn't be in the ASG. And perhaps you could actually respond to what I am saying instead of ranting from left field. O'Byrne? The good team arguement applying to Blake? Asking you to explain your reasoning? The fact that I keep mentioning over half your list? Yet you keep saying I only list one. You are avoiding the facts.
Now, can I offer you a little salt and pepper to go with your words?
What does Maggie the f**** Monkey have to do with anything, are you dumb? Are you saying Bob Mckenzie does not know hockey...I hope not. Why do you just re-post your arguements. I already proved your Blake bulls*** wrong, stop bringing it up. MK should never go near an ASG. I hope he has a great time in the skills comp, oh wait...no skills. One player...-18 that plays for a s*** team. Oh..wow it really takes a lot to lead blocked shots. I would rank Volchenkov easily. Decent. Unlike MK who can go get your salt and pepper and he can join you watching your s***ty Canadians try and represent the all-stars of the league.
Crosby is not the Jesus Lord & Savior of the NHL, get over yourself McGuire. |
| Guest8486 |
Posted - 01/16/2009 : 09:18:26
quote:
Originally posted by Odin
quote:
Originally posted by Reeder17
quote:
Originally posted by Odin
Sorry, hadn't signed in properly.
Reeder, man you really need to put that glass pipe down. Hainsey and his -18 are better defensively than MK? I would lay money down that even Hainsey wouldn't agree with you. Defense isn't his game. He is an offensive defenseman.
Second, you would sign a 39 year old Blake who is long past his prime over somebody who is 27 and hasn't even hit his peak yet, contrary to your claims otherwise.? Your arguement about MK benefitting from playing on a good team could equally, maybe even more so, be used with regards to Blake. Perhaps you would like to explain your reasoning on this one? Again, that just destroys your credibility.
Actually there is a whole pile of your list, as I said, that couldn't hold MK's jock. I'm just not going to go over them one by one. I did however look at their plus/minus, as I said in an earlier post and over half of them are on the wrong side, with your defensive defenseman Hainsey leading the parade. As I said, due to that, I believe that you truly do not understand what MK brings to the table.
And, also contrary to your claims, MK is indeed on the #1 tandem with Markov. Georges mans the #2 tandem with Hamrlik. I would take the judgement of an NHL coach over your talent evaluation anyday. And you mention O'Byrne??!! Is the the same O'Byrne that got sent down and is currently playing for the Bulldogs?
You can be bitter about MK being in the ASG, but c'mon, don't minimalize what he brings to the table and what every other team can use. Stop the hating!
Stop the hating? It's a debateable topic. Obviousley your biased in this as even I think Lydman is better than a lot more than he actually is. MK has hit his peak pal, read my post before you respond with crap. Is that the same MK, that TSN just ripped apart for being in the All-Star game. I'll take a dozen TSN analysts over some Montreal fan that needs some research. I love how you continue to pick out one from the list. Hainsey is a solid d-man. Can you please go watch a full game that is not Montreal instead of getting your arguements from the highlight reel. Oh, wow...Komisarek is +6. A feate he would not have if he did not play on the Canadians. Hainsey plays on a mediochre team, its kind of hard to look at +/-.
I do understand what MK brings to the table. An average defenseman that I would not pay over 3 million for.
Crosby is not the Jesus Lord & Savior of the NHL, get over yourself McGuire.
Further, MK with his constantly leading or in 2nd place in the hits and blocked shots categories, you may be correct that he has plateaued, but that doesn't mean he is going to decline, it means he will maintain it. I don't know of too many 27 year olds that lose their edge. If he has indeed hit his top level, being pretty much at the top of the two categories that most deem to measure defensive prowess isn't a bad place to be. Since this is what defenceman such as Volchenkov get lauded for, how would you rank Volchenkov?
remember that time when you used the same chirps 5 TIMES. get new s*** boss. and lets be serious. Cause you know how teh amount of HITS and plus minus has a lot to do with his reasons for being in the allstar voting. honestly im pretty pumped. its gonna be the best year for skills competition. komisarek is winning the shot accuracy for sure! |
| Odin |
Posted - 01/16/2009 : 09:11:01
quote:
Originally posted by Reeder17
quote:
Originally posted by Odin
Sorry, hadn't signed in properly.
Reeder, man you really need to put that glass pipe down. Hainsey and his -18 are better defensively than MK? I would lay money down that even Hainsey wouldn't agree with you. Defense isn't his game. He is an offensive defenseman.
Second, you would sign a 39 year old Blake who is long past his prime over somebody who is 27 and hasn't even hit his peak yet, contrary to your claims otherwise.? Your arguement about MK benefitting from playing on a good team could equally, maybe even more so, be used with regards to Blake. Perhaps you would like to explain your reasoning on this one? Again, that just destroys your credibility.
Actually there is a whole pile of your list, as I said, that couldn't hold MK's jock. I'm just not going to go over them one by one. I did however look at their plus/minus, as I said in an earlier post and over half of them are on the wrong side, with your defensive defenseman Hainsey leading the parade. As I said, due to that, I believe that you truly do not understand what MK brings to the table.
And, also contrary to your claims, MK is indeed on the #1 tandem with Markov. Georges mans the #2 tandem with Hamrlik. I would take the judgement of an NHL coach over your talent evaluation anyday. And you mention O'Byrne??!! Is the the same O'Byrne that got sent down and is currently playing for the Bulldogs?
You can be bitter about MK being in the ASG, but c'mon, don't minimalize what he brings to the table and what every other team can use. Stop the hating!
Stop the hating? It's a debateable topic. Obviousley your biased in this as even I think Lydman is better than a lot more than he actually is. MK has hit his peak pal, read my post before you respond with crap. Is that the same MK, that TSN just ripped apart for being in the All-Star game. I'll take a dozen TSN analysts over some Montreal fan that needs some research. I love how you continue to pick out one from the list. Hainsey is a solid d-man. Can you please go watch a full game that is not Montreal instead of getting your arguements from the highlight reel. Oh, wow...Komisarek is +6. A feate he would not have if he did not play on the Canadians. Hainsey plays on a mediochre team, its kind of hard to look at +/-.
I do understand what MK brings to the table. An average defenseman that I would not pay over 3 million for.
Crosby is not the Jesus Lord & Savior of the NHL, get over yourself McGuire.
Then it is truly a good thing that you are not an NHL GM. It is also blantantly obvious that you are biased. I didn't even mention Lydman, so I am not sure why you are getting your knickers in a knot over that. I did read your post. Do you think that just because you post something that makes it so, "pal"? I wouldn't be responding if I hadn't read your post. Therefore, once again, your reasoning is flawed.
I love how you keep saying I picked out one guy from your list when I've actually picked out over half your list. The reason I brought up Hainsey is because you singled him out as better than MK defensively, which is to laugh. I don't think even Hainsey would make that claim.
Further, MK with his constantly leading or in 2nd place in the hits and blocked shots categories, you may be correct that he has plateaued, but that doesn't mean he is going to decline, it means he will maintain it. I don't know of too many 27 year olds that lose their edge. If he has indeed hit his top level, being pretty much at the top of the two categories that most deem to measure defensive prowess isn't a bad place to be. Since this is what defenceman such as Volchenkov get lauded for, how would you rank Volchenkov?
Then you talk about TSN. Have you read your own tag??!! Perhaps you should read your own post before you respond with hypocracy. Ever heard of the TSN experiment with Maggie the Monkey? Do you know why they brought Maggie in? Maybe you should take your own advice and do a little of your own research so that you will realize, as the commentators themselves realize that you need to take what they say with a grain of salt. I also acknowledged that you can be bitter about him being in the ASG, and so you are.
I would take +6 from someone who has missed several games than someone who has played the entire season at -18. On top of that, you are claiming you would sign a 39 year old, who maybe has a couple of years left, over someone who is in his prime and has probably over 10 years left in his carreer.
And once again, if you would take your own advice and read what I have posted, you will see that I have stated that I understand why people think that MK shouldn't be in the ASG. And perhaps you could actually respond to what I am saying instead of ranting from left field. O'Byrne? The good team arguement applying to Blake? Asking you to explain your reasoning? The fact that I keep mentioning over half your list? Yet you keep saying I only list one. You are avoiding the facts.
Now, can I offer you a little salt and pepper to go with your words?
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| Guest8486 |
Posted - 01/16/2009 : 09:04:14
(ADMIN EDIT - CONTENT REMOVED - PERSONAL ATTACK - Disagree if you wish but don't make it personal please) The allstar game has nothing to do with 'leadership qualities' in the dressing room. (ADMIN EDIT - CONTENT REMOVED - PERSONAL ATTACK) ITS AN ALLSTAR GAME. Which maens the most skillfull players. Who cares if Blake is a 39 years old? Age has no bering on skill levels, and yea maybe BECAUSE he is a player who hasn't hit his peak, he SHOULDN"T be in the allstar game. lets be serious. lets go Rory Fitzpatrick!
Your obviously a habs glory boy who wants to here his entire roster on the allstar game. You have to honestly step back and relise there are soo many better players that would have been chosen over komisarek, if there was no allstar voting. Another thing. If you actually defend that Kovalev should have a chance this season, then obviously your statements regarding overage, vetran players being in the allstar game is contradictery. Kovalev has 11 goals. lets be serious, I could create a list longer then reeder17s on forwards that could of easily been over him. Phil Kessel? I realize he has mono but hes your 'un developed player' that you love soo much. Elias? Richards? Hossa? Honestly F*** komisarek, Allstar voting, (ADMIN EDIT - CONTENT REMOVED - PERSONAL ATTACK), and the Habs.
Wouldn't you just love if the leafs wined to get the allstar game, as well as the draft pick for their 100th, AND had leafs nation to vote in kaberle, white, Antropov, and Ponikarovsky? I mean im a leafs fan, but i have the hockey knowledge who should or shouldn't be in it, and i know that maybe with the exception of kaberle(talking a real breakthrough season) no one else deserves to be out there. To think komisarek wasn't voted in based on the fact of the slanted voting in montreal, means (ADMIN EDIT - CONTENT REMOVED - PERSONAL ATTACK)
(ADMIN EDIT - CONTENT REMOVED - PERSONAL ATTACK) Komisarek is a decent player, but NOT good enough for an allstar position. At least Rory Fitzpatrick had the balls and know how to realize that there are better players that deserve a spot on the team.
But then again, who really f***in cares right? i mean besides the habs fans who have just destroyed a potentially decent all star game, whose really gonna be watching this one? (ADMIN EDIT - CONTENT REMOVED - PERSONAL ATTACK) (ADMIN EDIT - CONTENT REMOVED - PERSONAL ATTACK - Please do me a favour and stop making my job so difficult. Go to this page and READ AND UNDERSTAND the forum guidelines: http://www.pickuphockey.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2160 Thank you.) |
| Reeder17 |
Posted - 01/16/2009 : 07:09:32
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Originally posted by Odin
Sorry, hadn't signed in properly.
Reeder, man you really need to put that glass pipe down. Hainsey and his -18 are better defensively than MK? I would lay money down that even Hainsey wouldn't agree with you. Defense isn't his game. He is an offensive defenseman.
Second, you would sign a 39 year old Blake who is long past his prime over somebody who is 27 and hasn't even hit his peak yet, contrary to your claims otherwise.? Your arguement about MK benefitting from playing on a good team could equally, maybe even more so, be used with regards to Blake. Perhaps you would like to explain your reasoning on this one? Again, that just destroys your credibility.
Actually there is a whole pile of your list, as I said, that couldn't hold MK's jock. I'm just not going to go over them one by one. I did however look at their plus/minus, as I said in an earlier post and over half of them are on the wrong side, with your defensive defenseman Hainsey leading the parade. As I said, due to that, I believe that you truly do not understand what MK brings to the table.
And, also contrary to your claims, MK is indeed on the #1 tandem with Markov. Georges mans the #2 tandem with Hamrlik. I would take the judgement of an NHL coach over your talent evaluation anyday. And you mention O'Byrne??!! Is the the same O'Byrne that got sent down and is currently playing for the Bulldogs?
You can be bitter about MK being in the ASG, but c'mon, don't minimalize what he brings to the table and what every other team can use. Stop the hating!
Stop the hating? It's a debateable topic. Obviousley your biased in this as even I think Lydman is better than a lot more than he actually is. MK has hit his peak pal, read my post before you respond with crap. Is that the same MK, that TSN just ripped apart for being in the All-Star game. I'll take a dozen TSN analysts over some Montreal fan that needs some research. I love how you continue to pick out one from the list. Hainsey is a solid d-man. Can you please go watch a full game that is not Montreal instead of getting your arguements from the highlight reel. Oh, wow...Komisarek is +6. A feate he would not have if he did not play on the Canadians. Hainsey plays on a mediochre team, its kind of hard to look at +/-.
I do understand what MK brings to the table. An average defenseman that I would not pay over 3 million for.
Crosby is not the Jesus Lord & Savior of the NHL, get over yourself McGuire. |
| Odin |
Posted - 01/16/2009 : 07:00:29
Sorry, hadn't signed in properly.
Reeder, man you really need to put that glass pipe down. Hainsey and his -18 are better defensively than MK? I would lay money down that even Hainsey wouldn't agree with you. Defense isn't his game. He is an offensive defenseman.
Second, you would sign a 39 year old Blake who is long past his prime over somebody who is 27 and hasn't even hit his peak yet, contrary to your claims otherwise.? Your arguement about MK benefitting from playing on a good team could equally, maybe even more so, be used with regards to Blake. Perhaps you would like to explain your reasoning on this one? Again, that just destroys your credibility.
Actually there is a whole pile of your list, as I said, that couldn't hold MK's jock. I'm just not going to go over them one by one. I did however look at their plus/minus, as I said in an earlier post and over half of them are on the wrong side, with your defensive defenseman Hainsey leading the parade. As I said, due to that, I believe that you truly do not understand what MK brings to the table.
And, also contrary to your claims, MK is indeed on the #1 tandem with Markov. Georges mans the #2 tandem with Hamrlik. I would take the judgement of an NHL coach over your talent evaluation anyday. And you mention O'Byrne??!! Is the the same O'Byrne that got sent down and is currently playing for the Bulldogs?
You can be bitter about MK being in the ASG, but c'mon, don't minimalize what he brings to the table and what every other team can use. Stop the hating!
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| Guest6069 |
Posted - 01/16/2009 : 06:51:40
Reeder, man you really need to put that glass pipedown. Hainsey and his -18 are better defensively than MK? I would lay money down that even Hainsey wouldn't agree with you. Defense isn't his game. He is an offensive defenseman.
Second, you would sign a 39 year old Blake who is long past his prime over somebody who is 27 and hasn't even hit his peak yet. Contrary to your claims otherwise. Perhaps you would like to explain your reasoning on this one. Again, that just destroys your credibility.
Actually there is a whole pile of your list, as I said, that couldn't hold MK's jock. I'm just not going to go over them one by one. I did however look at their plus/minus, as I said in an earlier post and over half of them are on the wrong side, with your defensive defenseman Hainsey leading the parade. As I said, due to that, I believe that you truly do not understand what MK brings to the table.
And, also contrary to your claims, MK is indeed on the #1 tandem with Markov. Georges mans the #2 tandem with Hamrlik. I would take the judgement of an NHL coach over your talent evaluation anyday.
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| Guest9278 |
Posted - 01/14/2009 : 15:29:07
One thing you guys are missing about komisarek.... he is one the most respected player in the canadians dressing room and he is a great leader..... a very good thing for such a young player. there is talk that he would be the next canadian captain when koivu leaves. Komisarek hit his peek???????????????? are you kidding me? he just tsarted in the league rly 3 yrd ago ... the canadian brought him on slow for him to learn and be a good player. I think he will only get better because he has gotten better every season up to date.
When he got hurt... they even put him behind the bench when the canadians were having a slump and when he was behind the bench they didnt lose one game. |
| Reeder17 |
Posted - 01/14/2009 : 14:49:14
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Originally posted by Odin
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Originally posted by Reeder17
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Originally posted by Guest2622
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Originally posted by Guest6362
No way should Kovalev and Komisarek even be on the team, let alone a starter. Kovalev has 31 points in 40 games, Komisarek is an average player at best. Its a shame that Ovechkin is not voted a starter. Price deserves to be there but not as a starter. Thomas should be the starter, but then Habs fans would lose it seeing a Bruins goalie starting the all star game in Montreal so they had to stuff the ballot boxes.
Shame on you habs fans, as if being a habs fan isn't enough shame on it's own.
Komisarek is average? On what planet? Just watch the stampede to sign him if the Habs don't get him signed down. He is constantly at the top or near the top when it comes to hits and blocked shots. Every team in the league wants him. That to me is the real indication of his woth. Sure he doesn't put up points every night, or even every week, but everybody knows there is a lot more to hockey than points.
Komisarek is average. Stampede? Calm down McGuire. I could think of at least a handful of defensive defenseman I would rather sign than Komisarek....in fact I will.
Dennis Wideman
Rob Blake
Ryan Suter
Filip Kuba
Ron Hainsey
Michal Rozsival
Brooks Orpik
Andy Sutton
Dion Phaneuf
Niklas Kronwall
Mike Commodore
Braydon Coburn
Cameron Barker
Adrian Aucoin
Rhett Warrener
Toni Lydman
Paul Mara
Mattias Ohlund
Chris Campoli
Barret Jackman
Paul Martin
Paul Ranger
Crosby is not the Jesus Lord & Savior of the NHL, get over yourself McGuire.
Mcguire? C'mon now, that is weak. Perhaps I should call you P.J. for trying too hard.
Now taking a look at your list, you say you would rather sign a 39 year old player in Blake, who is having a fine season no doubt, but you would rather sign him than sign one of the leagues premier shot blockers and hitters who is in his prime at 27? You just destroyed your credibility. And, hopefully you are correct in that there will be no stampede as the Habs will get him signed down.
Looking at others on your list, Hainsey was a Hab, they let him go. Kuba? C'mon, there isn't a GM out there that would take him over MK. Rhett Warrener??!! LMFAO!!!!
Without having to go over your list one by one, suffice to say that you do list some capable defensemen, and some that couldn't hold MK's jock. Just remember you are talking about a #1 tandem defenseman one one of the better teams in the league
PS, I just noticed it. You had the audacity to list Commodore?! You CANNOT be serious.
Granted, maybe MK doesn't have the razzle dazzle for the allstar game, but you cannot take away his talent and what he does EXTREMELY well.
Ok... let's get started. Maybe McGuire was too far. I just like calling people I disagree with that. However...
First of all you are damn right I would take Blake over MK. MK is a 27 year old UFA that has already hit his peak. Some team whether it be Montreal or not will give him a 4-7 year deal paying him way to much money and he'll play out the contract slowly winding down. Blake is a great defense man, he still has three solid years left. He brings defense, points and amazing leadership to any teams for a decent price.
So what if Hainsey was a hab? He is still a better defensive d-man than MK. Kuba is borderline, I'd agree. Rhett Warener if watched him play you will see, terrible offensively but he damn well knows how to take care of his own end, a lot better than MK. Not to mention harder hits. Commodore could go either way.
I really do want to say congrats though. You managed to pick out three defense out of a list of like 20 and tell me that I am terribly wrong. HAHA. And number 1 tandem? C'mon. Markov, Georges, O'Byrne. All better defense man than MK. Komisarek is a second or third pair defense man or at least he should be. You say he is on a great team. I agree, however, I would also say because of that his stats are obviousley exaggerated because of it. I'm a sabres fan so here is a reference. Look at the Sabres the two years right after the lockout. Players like Afinogenov, Hecht and Pominville (respectable players) but they were getting 60-80 points and 25-35 goals each. They are quality players but these stats were exaggerated because the Sabres were really good and they had the most goals for in the league.
Crosby is not the Jesus Lord & Savior of the NHL, get over yourself McGuire. |
| Odin |
Posted - 01/14/2009 : 12:37:50
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Originally posted by Guest8820
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Originally posted by Odin
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Originally posted by Guest8820
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Originally posted by Guest2622
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Originally posted by Guest6362
No way should Kovalev and Komisarek even be on the team, let alone a starter. Kovalev has 31 points in 40 games, Komisarek is an average player at best. Its a shame that Ovechkin is not voted a starter. Price deserves to be there but not as a starter. Thomas should be the starter, but then Habs fans would lose it seeing a Bruins goalie starting the all star game in Montreal so they had to stuff the ballot boxes.
Shame on you habs fans, as if being a habs fan isn't enough shame on it's own.
Komisarek is average? On what planet? Just watch the stampede to sign him if the Habs don't get him signed down. He is constantly at the top or near the top when it comes to hits and blocked shots. Every team in the league wants him. That to me is the real indication of his woth. Sure he doesn't put up points every night, or even every week, but everybody knows there is a lot more to hockey than points.
Komisarek is a good defensive defenseman, yes. But he isn't an all-star defenseman. Who blocks shots in an allstar game? Who throws hits in an all star game? It's like having Robyn Regehr, Willie Mitchell or Steve Staios there.
As for kovalev, there is no way he should be there ahead of guys like Patrik Elias who is top 10 in league scoring with 50pts and Kessel who is top 5 in league goal scoring with 24goals. Just to name a couple.
That wasn't my point. My point was that he is a good defenseman who is constantly at or near the top of shots blocked and hits, for those out there that seem to question his worth, right Reed?
I understand...you were debating the previous comment about Komisarek.
So do you agree then that he shouldn't be in the all star game? That is the topic of this discussion right?....not the worth of Mike Komisarek as a solid D-man.
As I said in an earlier post, he doesn't have the razzle dazzle that is expected of the ASG. I understand the arguement that he shouldn't be there. I never once disputed that. But I do believe some on here don't understand his worth. Perhaps with all the bitching going on about what a pathetic display the ASG has become, he SHOULD go out an bang some heads. It would wake some people up, perhaps even Bettman(I'm dreaming, I know). I wouldn't be surprised however, to see him go out there and block shots. Why not? That is a strength of his game. |
| Guest8820 |
Posted - 01/14/2009 : 12:19:35
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Originally posted by Odin
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Originally posted by Guest8820
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Originally posted by Guest2622
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Originally posted by Guest6362
No way should Kovalev and Komisarek even be on the team, let alone a starter. Kovalev has 31 points in 40 games, Komisarek is an average player at best. Its a shame that Ovechkin is not voted a starter. Price deserves to be there but not as a starter. Thomas should be the starter, but then Habs fans would lose it seeing a Bruins goalie starting the all star game in Montreal so they had to stuff the ballot boxes.
Shame on you habs fans, as if being a habs fan isn't enough shame on it's own.
Komisarek is average? On what planet? Just watch the stampede to sign him if the Habs don't get him signed down. He is constantly at the top or near the top when it comes to hits and blocked shots. Every team in the league wants him. That to me is the real indication of his woth. Sure he doesn't put up points every night, or even every week, but everybody knows there is a lot more to hockey than points.
Komisarek is a good defensive defenseman, yes. But he isn't an all-star defenseman. Who blocks shots in an allstar game? Who throws hits in an all star game? It's like having Robyn Regehr, Willie Mitchell or Steve Staios there.
As for kovalev, there is no way he should be there ahead of guys like Patrik Elias who is top 10 in league scoring with 50pts and Kessel who is top 5 in league goal scoring with 24goals. Just to name a couple.
That wasn't my point. My point was that he is a good defenseman who is constantly at or near the top of shots blocked and hits, for those out there that seem to question his worth, right Reed?
I understand...you were debating the previous comment about Komisarek.
So do you agree then that he shouldn't be in the all star game? That is the topic of this discussion right?....not the worth of Mike Komisarek as a solid D-man. |
| Odin |
Posted - 01/14/2009 : 10:33:22
I'm sorry, the more I look at your list, the more I have to assume you are just trying to be comical.
You could argue for Wideman or Phaneuf (just due to rep, certainly not this year), the rest of your list are abdundantly lacking.
I guess you just don't appreciate what Komisarek brings to the table. Again, if he is allowed to became a UFA, there WILL be huge interest. Every team in the leagiue would want this guy. To me, that is his true value.
Also, you do realize that a good chunk of who you have listed are well deep into the bad side of the +/- ledger right?
That right there tells me you don't know or don't appreciate what MK brings to the table. |
| Odin |
Posted - 01/14/2009 : 08:10:44
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Originally posted by Reeder17
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Originally posted by Guest2622
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Originally posted by Guest6362
No way should Kovalev and Komisarek even be on the team, let alone a starter. Kovalev has 31 points in 40 games, Komisarek is an average player at best. Its a shame that Ovechkin is not voted a starter. Price deserves to be there but not as a starter. Thomas should be the starter, but then Habs fans would lose it seeing a Bruins goalie starting the all star game in Montreal so they had to stuff the ballot boxes.
Shame on you habs fans, as if being a habs fan isn't enough shame on it's own.
Komisarek is average? On what planet? Just watch the stampede to sign him if the Habs don't get him signed down. He is constantly at the top or near the top when it comes to hits and blocked shots. Every team in the league wants him. That to me is the real indication of his woth. Sure he doesn't put up points every night, or even every week, but everybody knows there is a lot more to hockey than points.
Komisarek is average. Stampede? Calm down McGuire. I could think of at least a handful of defensive defenseman I would rather sign than Komisarek....in fact I will.
Dennis Wideman
Rob Blake
Ryan Suter
Filip Kuba
Ron Hainsey
Michal Rozsival
Brooks Orpik
Andy Sutton
Dion Phaneuf
Niklas Kronwall
Mike Commodore
Braydon Coburn
Cameron Barker
Adrian Aucoin
Rhett Warrener
Toni Lydman
Paul Mara
Mattias Ohlund
Chris Campoli
Barret Jackman
Paul Martin
Paul Ranger
Crosby is not the Jesus Lord & Savior of the NHL, get over yourself McGuire.
Mcguire? C'mon now, that is weak. Perhaps I should call you P.J. for trying too hard.
Now taking a look at your list, you say you would rather sign a 39 year old player in Blake, who is having a fine season no doubt, but you would rather sign him than sign one of the leagues premier shot blockers and hitters who is in his prime at 27? You just destroyed your credibility. And, hopefully you are correct in that there will be no stampede as the Habs will get him signed down.
Looking at others on your list, Hainsey was a Hab, they let him go. Kuba? C'mon, there isn't a GM out there that would take him over MK. Rhett Warrener??!! LMFAO!!!!
Without having to go over your list one by one, suffice to say that you do list some capable defensemen, and some that couldn't hold MK's jock. Just remember you are talking about a #1 tandem defenseman one one of the better teams in the league
PS, I just noticed it. You had the audacity to list Commodore?! You CANNOT be serious.
Granted, maybe MK doesn't have the razzle dazzle for the allstar game, but you cannot take away his talent and what he does EXTREMELY well. |
| Guest9278 |
Posted - 01/14/2009 : 07:46:26
Huge habs fan.... yes it was a joke.... markov deserve to be on the top line... komi deserve to be reserve, kovalev doesnt even deserve to be there.BUTT... Everyone in boston is crying.... If the all star game was in Boston insteasd of montreal... i garantee you 100% 2-3 boston players are in the started lineup and they would not be complaining anymore. Just the way it works, the all star game is in montreal and it shows the love of the game in montreal. If you guys dont vote for whoever should ... the ppl of montreal will vote for the habs players. Its a flawed systeme and yes it should be changed but ppl should stop crying.... especially in boston. |
| Odin |
Posted - 01/14/2009 : 07:40:31
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Originally posted by Guest8820
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Originally posted by Guest2622
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Originally posted by Guest6362
No way should Kovalev and Komisarek even be on the team, let alone a starter. Kovalev has 31 points in 40 games, Komisarek is an average player at best. Its a shame that Ovechkin is not voted a starter. Price deserves to be there but not as a starter. Thomas should be the starter, but then Habs fans would lose it seeing a Bruins goalie starting the all star game in Montreal so they had to stuff the ballot boxes.
Shame on you habs fans, as if being a habs fan isn't enough shame on it's own.
Komisarek is average? On what planet? Just watch the stampede to sign him if the Habs don't get him signed down. He is constantly at the top or near the top when it comes to hits and blocked shots. Every team in the league wants him. That to me is the real indication of his woth. Sure he doesn't put up points every night, or even every week, but everybody knows there is a lot more to hockey than points.
Komisarek is a good defensive defenseman, yes. But he isn't an all-star defenseman. Who blocks shots in an allstar game? Who throws hits in an all star game? It's like having Robyn Regehr, Willie Mitchell or Steve Staios there.
As for kovalev, there is no way he should be there ahead of guys like Patrik Elias who is top 10 in league scoring with 50pts and Kessel who is top 5 in league goal scoring with 24goals. Just to name a couple.
That wasn't my point. My point was that he is a good defenseman who is constantly at or near the top of shots blocked and hits, for those out there that seem to question his worth, right Reed? |
| Guest8820 |
Posted - 01/14/2009 : 07:15:49
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Originally posted by Guest2622
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Originally posted by Guest6362
No way should Kovalev and Komisarek even be on the team, let alone a starter. Kovalev has 31 points in 40 games, Komisarek is an average player at best. Its a shame that Ovechkin is not voted a starter. Price deserves to be there but not as a starter. Thomas should be the starter, but then Habs fans would lose it seeing a Bruins goalie starting the all star game in Montreal so they had to stuff the ballot boxes.
Shame on you habs fans, as if being a habs fan isn't enough shame on it's own.
Komisarek is average? On what planet? Just watch the stampede to sign him if the Habs don't get him signed down. He is constantly at the top or near the top when it comes to hits and blocked shots. Every team in the league wants him. That to me is the real indication of his woth. Sure he doesn't put up points every night, or even every week, but everybody knows there is a lot more to hockey than points.
Komisarek is a good defensive defenseman, yes. But he isn't an all-star defenseman. Who blocks shots in an allstar game? Who throws hits in an all star game? It's like having Robyn Regehr, Willie Mitchell or Steve Staios there.
As for kovalev, there is no way he should be there ahead of guys like Patrik Elias who is top 10 in league scoring with 50pts and Kessel who is top 5 in league goal scoring with 24goals. Just to name a couple. |
| Reeder17 |
Posted - 01/14/2009 : 07:09:27
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Originally posted by Guest2622
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Originally posted by Guest6362
No way should Kovalev and Komisarek even be on the team, let alone a starter. Kovalev has 31 points in 40 games, Komisarek is an average player at best. Its a shame that Ovechkin is not voted a starter. Price deserves to be there but not as a starter. Thomas should be the starter, but then Habs fans would lose it seeing a Bruins goalie starting the all star game in Montreal so they had to stuff the ballot boxes.
Shame on you habs fans, as if being a habs fan isn't enough shame on it's own.
Komisarek is average? On what planet? Just watch the stampede to sign him if the Habs don't get him signed down. He is constantly at the top or near the top when it comes to hits and blocked shots. Every team in the league wants him. That to me is the real indication of his woth. Sure he doesn't put up points every night, or even every week, but everybody knows there is a lot more to hockey than points.
Komisarek is average. Stampede? Calm down McGuire. I could think of at least a handful of defensive defenseman I would rather sign than Komisarek....in fact I will.
Dennis Wideman
Rob Blake
Ryan Suter
Filip Kuba
Ron Hainsey
Michal Rozsival
Brooks Orpik
Andy Sutton
Dion Phaneuf
Niklas Kronwall
Mike Commodore
Braydon Coburn
Cameron Barker
Adrian Aucoin
Rhett Warrener
Toni Lydman
Paul Mara
Mattias Ohlund
Chris Campoli
Barret Jackman
Paul Martin
Paul Ranger
Crosby is not the Jesus Lord & Savior of the NHL, get over yourself McGuire. |
| Reeder17 |
Posted - 01/14/2009 : 07:02:50
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Originally posted by Guest7645
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Originally posted by leigh
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Originally posted by Pasty7
,,, so please be carefull when you put all us habs fan in the same pot...
Hey Pasty, your voting was obviously well thought out and not biased. But to be clear I didn't lump all Habs fans into "the same pot". I just said that Habs fans were mobilized. I mean, who else would it be? Maple Leaf and Canuck fans don't vote for this many Habs. I simply made a comment based on a common sense assumption. The same assumption could be made that last year that it was Vancouver fans who voted for Rory Fitzpatrick. This doesn't mean that all Canuck fans thought it was a good idea.
actually it was guy from buffalo who is a total rory fan who rallied for votes. i don't think a lot of canucks fans voted exclusively for him. i'm sure there were quite a few fro buffalo, and a whole bunch of non hockey ppl who read that devoted fan's story and dream wish to get rory into the All-Star game.
Actually it was a group of college guys that sat on the computers all day from Vancouver that voted for Rory.
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| Reeder17 |
Posted - 01/14/2009 : 07:02:08
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Originally posted by Axey
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Originally posted by Guest4933
It's a known fact that the all-star voting web site was pirated...They had to remove a portion of the habs players vote back in November (15 to 20 % the league didn't specify)... But it looks to me like the Nhl didn't fix quite right the security of his site even tough they say that the vote was "updated every hour to detect any abnormal fluctuations"...
hum...
Yeah they got rid of just enough to let Crosby win. lol
Chicago Blackhawks GM
Jesus didn't tap.
Haha, yeah I wouldn't doubt it.
Crosby is not the Jesus Lord & Savior of the NHL, get over yourself McGuire. |
| Guest2622 |
Posted - 01/13/2009 : 09:33:28
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Originally posted by Guest6362
No way should Kovalev and Komisarek even be on the team, let alone a starter. Kovalev has 31 points in 40 games, Komisarek is an average player at best. Its a shame that Ovechkin is not voted a starter. Price deserves to be there but not as a starter. Thomas should be the starter, but then Habs fans would lose it seeing a Bruins goalie starting the all star game in Montreal so they had to stuff the ballot boxes.
Shame on you habs fans, as if being a habs fan isn't enough shame on it's own.
Komisarek is average? On what planet? Just watch the stampede to sign him if the Habs don't get him signed down. He is constantly at the top or near the top when it comes to hits and blocked shots. Every team in the league wants him. That to me is the real indication of his woth. Sure he doesn't put up points every night, or even every week, but everybody knows there is a lot more to hockey than points. |
| Axey |
Posted - 01/13/2009 : 08:58:37
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Originally posted by Guest4933
It's a known fact that the all-star voting web site was pirated...They had to remove a portion of the habs players vote back in November (15 to 20 % the league didn't specify)... But it looks to me like the Nhl didn't fix quite right the security of his site even tough they say that the vote was "updated every hour to detect any abnormal fluctuations"...
hum...
Yeah they got rid of just enough to let Crosby win. lol
Chicago Blackhawks GM
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