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| Guest8947 |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 14:17:31
With just 6 points in 12 games without Phil Kessel and only 1 win, in the next 12 games with Kessel in the lineup how many points do you see the Leafs getting? |
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| n/a |
Posted - 11/25/2009 : 20:19:07
Wouldn't go that far - Antropov was never hated in Toronto, no - would not say that at all. He was a quiet, awkward sort of guy, and he had some skill . . . just frustrating to watch at times. Ok, a lot of the time. The injuries were frustrating, the never-quite-there as a first liner thing was frustrating, seeing his skills at times.
But enough of that - this is about Kessel. And the Leafs won tonight, without Kessel getting a point!
Burke wins again. 
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| baumer |
Posted - 11/25/2009 : 13:05:26
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Originally posted by Guest7752
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Originally posted by Tiller33
Well considering Roberts and Mogilny were both 50 goal scorers throughout their career (Mogilny sniped 76 in 77 games in 93) don't quite think i'm overrating them. And youre right the good set up man on that line is peverley not the poacher, and like I said I could have 70 pts in assits in a season playing with Kovalchuck. Antropov never scored more than 59 pts in a season how can you call that a good setup man? He wasn't even a point per game player in europe. Are you that simple that you can't see he's being held up by Peverley and Kovalchuck?
No i never contradicted myself he played on bad teams, all around, doesn't mean he didn't play with good players. And as has been stated many times already but you evidently don't have the wherewithal to comprehend (try hooked on phonics) Good players make bad teams better, he made a bad team worse.
There's a lot of dirty old occ's around thats the problem
That's some nice tough talk there buddy. But try to keep your emotions towards your leafs from blinding you.
I'm sure it's not the same tone you had when Antropov became a leaf.
I can't wait to hear your idiotic comments on Kessel once he moves on and back to a pro NHL team.
You may want to stay away from the thesaurus dictionary - it makes you look bad when you pretend it's phonics you're preaching.
Are you serious? Antropov was one of the most hated players of the decade. Take your head out of your exit and realize that when he was here, he was taken off the first line and replaced by Jonas Hoglund, (twice), Lonny Bohonos, among others. Check your facts before you post. But I guess as a Habs fan those rose coloured glasses cloud your vision. Gomez + Gionta+ Cammalleri = 19$ million. Nearly half the cap. Someone should tell Gainey he's not in Dallas anymore. |
| Leafs81 |
Posted - 11/25/2009 : 12:21:26
quote:
Originally posted by Guest7752
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Originally posted by Tiller33
You high slappy? Kessel has 9 pts in ten games while carrying Matt stajan on his back so the Marc Savrd line doesn't play here. As for Antropov ya he was playing with a crap team one of which he was a part of and couldn't make better definately the sign of a good player. Kessel is on an even worse team statisticly and is excelling.
There's a lot of dirty old occ's around thats the problem
9 points in 10 games compared to 20 points in 20 games with +10...
And Kessel is better because he's carrying someone on his back!!!!
Who's high here?
I never saw anyone on Kessel's back - step out of your box sloppy. Try facing reality with both your eyes open.
You leaf fans are unbelievable!
I guess that's what happens when your entire city had loser teams...
Ok are you trying to say Antropov is better then Kessel?????
If not, what's your point????
We all know Kessel is better then Antropov so leave it there. |
| Tiller33 |
Posted - 11/25/2009 : 12:20:04
two words ... Scott Gomez ... Gainey loses
There's a lot of dirty old occ's around thats the problem |
| Guest7752 |
Posted - 11/25/2009 : 11:02:48
quote:
Originally posted by Tiller33
Well considering Roberts and Mogilny were both 50 goal scorers throughout their career (Mogilny sniped 76 in 77 games in 93) don't quite think i'm overrating them. And youre right the good set up man on that line is peverley not the poacher, and like I said I could have 70 pts in assits in a season playing with Kovalchuck. Antropov never scored more than 59 pts in a season how can you call that a good setup man? He wasn't even a point per game player in europe. Are you that simple that you can't see he's being held up by Peverley and Kovalchuck?
No i never contradicted myself he played on bad teams, all around, doesn't mean he didn't play with good players. And as has been stated many times already but you evidently don't have the wherewithal to comprehend (try hooked on phonics) Good players make bad teams better, he made a bad team worse.
There's a lot of dirty old occ's around thats the problem
That's some nice tough talk there buddy. But try to keep your emotions towards your leafs from blinding you.
I'm sure it's not the same tone you had when Antropov became a leaf.
I can't wait to hear your idiotic comments on Kessel once he moves on and back to a pro NHL team.
You may want to stay away from the thesaurus dictionary - it makes you look bad when you pretend it's phonics you're preaching. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 11/25/2009 : 10:18:25
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Originally posted by Guest8144
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Originally posted by Beans15
Here's the things with Kessel. Some will always like the deal, others will hate it and it's completely subjective. The picks are gone now and it will be impossible to say if the Leafs would have picked the same players with the pick as Boston will.
For example, the Oilers traded Marty Reasoner and a 1st round pick to Boston a few seasons back for Sergei Samsonov. The Oilers had short term success as they made the 7th game of the Cup Final and Samsonov contributed with 15 points. Boston picked Milan Lucic with that 1st round pick. Good deal??? Not sure. Would the Oilers have even picked Lucic?? Not sure.
One thing is undeniable, the Leafs have not only produced more but have looked better and have higher point totals in the games since Kessel came.
He's earning my respect, one shift at a time. That's not an easy task for any Leaf player.
Lucic was a 2nd round pick....
You are right, my bad. It was a 2nd round pick, Reasoner, and Yan Stastny for Samsonov.
Regardless, my point is that no one really knows what a trade for draft picks is worth and no one ever will know because there is no way to know if the sames players would be picked in the same spot by different teams. |
| Tiller33 |
Posted - 11/25/2009 : 08:33:26
Well considering Roberts and Mogilny were both 50 goal scorers throughout their career (Mogilny sniped 76 in 77 games in 93) don't quite think i'm overrating them. And youre right the good set up man on that line is peverley not the poacher, and like I said I could have 70 pts in assits in a season playing with Kovalchuck. Antropov never scored more than 59 pts in a season how can you call that a good setup man? He wasn't even a point per game player in europe. Are you that simple that you can't see he's being held up by Peverley and Kovalchuck?
No i never contradicted myself he played on bad teams, all around, doesn't mean he didn't play with good players. And as has been stated many times already but you evidently don't have the wherewithal to comprehend (try hooked on phonics) Good players make bad teams better, he made a bad team worse.
There's a lot of dirty old occ's around thats the problem |
| Guest8144 |
Posted - 11/25/2009 : 08:27:17
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Originally posted by Beans15
Here's the things with Kessel. Some will always like the deal, others will hate it and it's completely subjective. The picks are gone now and it will be impossible to say if the Leafs would have picked the same players with the pick as Boston will.
For example, the Oilers traded Marty Reasoner and a 1st round pick to Boston a few seasons back for Sergei Samsonov. The Oilers had short term success as they made the 7th game of the Cup Final and Samsonov contributed with 15 points. Boston picked Milan Lucic with that 1st round pick. Good deal??? Not sure. Would the Oilers have even picked Lucic?? Not sure.
One thing is undeniable, the Leafs have not only produced more but have looked better and have higher point totals in the games since Kessel came.
He's earning my respect, one shift at a time. That's not an easy task for any Leaf player.
Lucic was a 2nd round pick.... |
| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 11/25/2009 : 08:24:32
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Originally posted by Guest7752
Trust me I watched for years for the magic from Antropov and it never came, like baumer said he played with an elite player in Sundin as well as with guys like Mogilny and Roberts and never thrived so face the music he's an assits poaching plug.
There's a lot of dirty old occ's around thats the problem
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You're contradictng yourself.
So now you're saying he "DID" play on good lines in Toronto and did nothing.
Ealier you said he's only doing well now becuase of the "good" line he is on.
So - what you are REALLY saying is that Toronto NEVER had a real "good" line even with "good" players such as Sundin, Mogilny, and Roberts.
Again, step out of your box and face it man. You're over-rating the Leafs, Burke, and Wilson as well as Sundin, Mogilny and Roberts. You're under-rating Antropov.
However - you're not over-rating Kessel.
Speaking of assists, so what that anyone has more assists than goals... that's a sign of a decent set-up man!!
You would have known that if you played hockey instead of watching Toronto games commented on by Toronto media.
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Id take this more seriously if you werent on such an obvious anti leaf crusade. Keep pushing buttons my friend, it obviously seems to keep you amused.
If Antropov was still a Leaf, you would be ripping him hard. You know it, we all know it.
Sundin, Mogilny and Roberts were all twice the player antropov is and were a badass line. Don't care what anyone says.
The Leafs do miss antopov's production right now, no doubt, but Phil Kessel is and will continue to be, the better player.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
| Guest7752 |
Posted - 11/25/2009 : 07:49:39
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Trust me I watched for years for the magic from Antropov and it never came, like baumer said he played with an elite player in Sundin as well as with guys like Mogilny and Roberts and never thrived so face the music he's an assits poaching plug.
There's a lot of dirty old occ's around thats the problem
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You're contradictng yourself.
So now you're saying he "DID" play on good lines in Toronto and did nothing.
Ealier you said he's only doing well now becuase of the "good" line he is on.
So - what you are REALLY saying is that Toronto NEVER had a real "good" line even with "good" players such as Sundin, Mogilny, and Roberts.
Again, step out of your box and face it man. You're over-rating the Leafs, Burke, and Wilson as well as Sundin, Mogilny and Roberts. You're under-rating Antropov.
However - you're not over-rating Kessel.
Speaking of assists, so what that anyone has more assists than goals... that's a sign of a decent set-up man!!
You would have known that if you played hockey instead of watching Toronto games commented on by Toronto media.
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| Tiller33 |
Posted - 11/24/2009 : 21:17:54
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Originally posted by Guest7752
quote:
Originally posted by Tiller33
You high slappy? Kessel has 9 pts in ten games while carrying Matt stajan on his back so the Marc Savrd line doesn't play here. As for Antropov ya he was playing with a crap team one of which he was a part of and couldn't make better definately the sign of a good player. Kessel is on an even worse team statisticly and is excelling.
There's a lot of dirty old occ's around thats the problem
9 points in 10 games compared to 20 points in 20 games with +10...
And Kessel is better because he's carrying someone on his back!!!!
Who's high here?
I never saw anyone on Kessel's back - step out of your box sloppy. Try facing reality with both your eyes open.
You leaf fans are unbelievable!
I guess that's what happens when your entire city had loser teams...
uh oh Nic's off Kovalchuck's line he's on a line with Peverly and Armstrong but I'm sure he'll still be a point pre game player right? So essentially you equated having Matt Stajan on your line to having Ilya Kovalchuck if you are saying that 9 pts in 10 ten games is worse than 19 assists and one goal in 20. Oh and by the way Peverley is the guy in the middle who is holding up the tent for the Antropov side show.
Trust me I watched for years for the magic from Antropov and it never came, like baumer said he played with an elite player in Sundin as well as with guys like Mogilny and Roberts and never thrived so face the music he's an assits poaching plug.
There's a lot of dirty old occ's around thats the problem |
| Porkchop73 |
Posted - 11/24/2009 : 14:46:06
Couple of things,
First, good to see you posting again 7752, I am sure everyone missed your uncanny ability to find something horrible in every Leaf topic. Not surprising since you are in love with Bob Gainey and everything Habs. Thats OK I look forward to your posts
Second, I think I have just read the most positive comment from Beans about any Leaf since i joined PH forums. Surely you can't like Kessel, he is a Leaf you know.
I would like to point out one more thing that impressed me about Kessel. He has been giving 100% every shift i have watched him. I also like that he thinks he is going to score everytime he is on the ice. He is at pace to score over 50 goals this year should he keep going. It is hard to believe he is doing it without Savard to pass him the puck. Surely he will never keep this pace when he figures out that Savard is not getting an assist.
To be honest, Kessel has impressed me more than I thought he would. He is no OV or Crosby but he is a dynamic player, certainly a true top 3 forward on any team. TO has not had a player like him for awhile, which is why some fans are excited. Maybe over excited but hey it wouldn't be a leaf fan if they didn't exaggerate a little bit.
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| baumer |
Posted - 11/24/2009 : 12:57:28
I was actually about to make a valid point about Phil Kessel until I saw someone say that Nik Antropov is better. Now after throwing up multiple times and regaining consciousness I can say this. Antropov is 8 years older than Kessel, plays with one of the leagues elite scorers, (notice the 19 assists, and one goal) and has never scored more than 28 goals in a season. If those stats prove him to be better I must be missing something. Good players make bad teams better and Antropov has never done that. I'm pretty sure Kovalchuk would still be top 5 in goals without him and the Thrashers would still be a borderline playoff team. Antropov was on a line with Mats Sundin for years and proved to the league that hes nmothing more than a seconf line player at best. |
| Guest7752 |
Posted - 11/24/2009 : 12:42:48
quote:
Originally posted by Tiller33
You high slappy? Kessel has 9 pts in ten games while carrying Matt stajan on his back so the Marc Savrd line doesn't play here. As for Antropov ya he was playing with a crap team one of which he was a part of and couldn't make better definately the sign of a good player. Kessel is on an even worse team statisticly and is excelling.
There's a lot of dirty old occ's around thats the problem
9 points in 10 games compared to 20 points in 20 games with +10...
And Kessel is better because he's carrying someone on his back!!!!
Who's high here?
I never saw anyone on Kessel's back - step out of your box sloppy. Try facing reality with both your eyes open.
You leaf fans are unbelievable!
I guess that's what happens when your entire city had loser teams... |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 11/24/2009 : 10:37:27
Here's the things with Kessel. Some will always like the deal, others will hate it and it's completely subjective. The picks are gone now and it will be impossible to say if the Leafs would have picked the same players with the pick as Boston will.
For example, the Oilers traded Marty Reasoner and a 1st round pick to Boston a few seasons back for Sergei Samsonov. The Oilers had short term success as they made the 7th game of the Cup Final and Samsonov contributed with 15 points. Boston picked Milan Lucic with that 1st round pick. Good deal??? Not sure. Would the Oilers have even picked Lucic?? Not sure.
One thing is undeniable, the Leafs have not only produced more but have looked better and have higher point totals in the games since Kessel came.
He's earning my respect, one shift at a time. That's not an easy task for any Leaf player. |
| Open_Ice |
Posted - 11/24/2009 : 10:22:39
Yes, Kessel is playing very well with the linemates he has... however, he is playing a full 4:30+ more per game than last year and has 58 shots in just 10 games!
He is being handed every opportunity in the world and is under a point per game and yet everybody thinks this is the best case scenario and that is probably true.
I can't believe the situation he is in right now and really hope (for both his sake and my own) that he can keep it up or else I can see leafs fans talking about this trade for the rest of my life...  |
| Tiller33 |
Posted - 11/24/2009 : 08:40:03
You high slappy? Kessel has 9 pts in ten games while carrying Matt stajan on his back so the Marc Savrd line doesn't play here. As for Antropov ya he was playing with a crap team one of which he was a part of and couldn't make better definately the sign of a good player. Kessel is on an even worse team statisticly and is excelling.
There's a lot of dirty old occ's around thats the problem |
| Guest7752 |
Posted - 11/24/2009 : 08:21:33
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Originally posted by Guest7752
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Originally posted by Tiller33
I could have 20 pts playing on a line with kovalchuck
There's a lot of dirty old occ's around thats the problem
exactly - maybe similar to Kessel playing with Savard??
Also, look at his short stint with the Rangers:
13 points in 18 season games, AND fresh after joining a new organization.
Antropov was therefore playing on a crap team when he was with the leafs...
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| Guest7752 |
Posted - 11/24/2009 : 08:20:29
quote:
Originally posted by Tiller33
I could have 20 pts playing on a line with kovalchuck
There's a lot of dirty old occ's around thats the problem
exactly - maybe similar to Kessel playing with Savard??
Also, look at his short stint with the Rangers:
13 points in 18 season games, AND fresh after joining a new organization.
Antropov was therefore playing on a crap team.
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| Tiller33 |
Posted - 11/24/2009 : 07:45:47
I could have 20 pts playing on a line with kovalchuck
There's a lot of dirty old occ's around thats the problem |
| Guest7752 |
Posted - 11/24/2009 : 07:26:29
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Originally posted by Tiller33
haha the backwards buckets were hilarious
AS for the leafs drafting histroy its awful but we have a guy with a much stronger resume than the previous idiots.
Burke:
Chris Pronger
The Sedins
Bobby Ryan
RJ Umberger
Kevin Bieksa
John Ferguson Jr:
Traded them all away nothing to examine, o h pardon me Jiri Tlusty
Pat Quinn:
Pretty bad when you're best pick is Nic Antropov
There's a lot of dirty old occ's around thats the problem
Antropov - 20 points in 20 games so far, +10 rating.
He's a decent player that can help any team - maybe the probelm was the leafs' system, not him?
Oh wait... they don't have a system....
What they have is a strategy:
bring over as many Ducks players and management as possible... |
| Tiller33 |
Posted - 11/23/2009 : 11:25:03
haha the backwards buckets were hilarious
AS for the leafs drafting histroy its awful but we have a guy with a much stronger resume than the previous idiots.
Burke:
Chris Pronger
The Sedins
Bobby Ryan
RJ Umberger
Kevin Bieksa
John Ferguson Jr:
Traded them all away nothing to examine, o h pardon me Jiri Tlusty
Pat Quinn:
Pretty bad when you're best pick is Nic Antropov
There's a lot of dirty old occ's around thats the problem |
| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 11/23/2009 : 10:45:45
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Originally posted by Guest7752
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Originally posted by slozo
What a weird last couple of games, to say the least.
Record so far with Kessel: 3 wins, 4 losses, 2 OT losses, 8 points.
Coming up this week to finish off Kessel's first 12 game with the Leafs: NYIsles, TB, Florida, all road games.
Looks like my 6 wins isn't going to happen, but I think the Leafs could squeeze out two wins. If they play defence like they did against Washington. And if they get some bounces. And if Kessel starts clicking with his linemates. 
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
and if toskala has a good game, and if the monster lets in less than 5 goals, and if komisarek does not put the puck in his own net, and if kessel scores 2-goals per game, and if the Panthers and Lightning do not show up, THEN the leafs may get these 2 wins.
Toskala had one of his best games as a leaf saturday, komisarek isnt playing cause hes hurt so we dont have to worry about him scoring into his own net, kessel probably will score 2 goals and the panthers and lightning arent really that much better than toronto,. they are 2 totally beatable teams
i cant wait until the leafs play montreal again, prepare to be embarassed
RALLY CAPS BABY!!!1 Helmets on backwards!
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 11/23/2009 : 10:42:49
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Originally posted by Guest2234
looking at some of those kessel without savard comments prompted me to wonder why some other boston centers are having horrible starts without kessel ??....i think kessel means more to some of them than they mean to kessel....have only really watched this guy since he came to the leafs, he is greater than i thought he was....i think his puck release is quicker than hull`s and bossey`s was.....lookout he is only a youngster...great pick-up for the leafs.....look on the bright side leaf-fans, i`m sure whom-ever toronto would have drafted next season would end up being a BUST...least somebody already drafted a star for them ::)))
This is something that I think should be pointed out.
The Leafs draft record is shoddy at best, they probably wouldnt have even drafted someone half as good as kessel with their picks given the teams history. Im thinking that Kessel will pan out for the leafs 10x better than someone they actually pick heh..... sad but probably true.
Also, with the leafs luck they would lose the draft lottery even if they finish dead last
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
| n/a |
Posted - 11/23/2009 : 09:44:27
Sorry, that's one at home versus the Isles, then two road games at TB and Florida . . . with no Saturday game, strange.
I am guessing Toskala starts tonight against the Islanders, a much improved team. Maybe this will energise Blake and he can score his third goal of the season?
All jokes aside, solid play, like they had against Washington, and they win two out of three. Are they likely to have solid play in all three games? Not likely at all, the way the season's gone . . . but if I wasn't filled with ridiculous amounts of hope, I wouldn't be a Leaf fan in the first place!
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Guest7752 |
Posted - 11/23/2009 : 08:07:16
quote:
Originally posted by slozo
What a weird last couple of games, to say the least.
Record so far with Kessel: 3 wins, 4 losses, 2 OT losses, 8 points.
Coming up this week to finish off Kessel's first 12 game with the Leafs: NYIsles, TB, Florida, all road games.
Looks like my 6 wins isn't going to happen, but I think the Leafs could squeeze out two wins. If they play defence like they did against Washington. And if they get some bounces. And if Kessel starts clicking with his linemates.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
and if toskala has a good game, and if the monster lets in less than 5 goals, and if komisarek does not put the puck in his own net, and if kessel scores 2-goals per game, and if the Panthers and Lightning do not show up, THEN the leafs may get these 2 wins. |
| Guest2234 |
Posted - 11/22/2009 : 18:06:20
looking at some of those kessel without savard comments prompted me to wonder why some other boston centers are having horrible starts without kessel ??....i think kessel means more to some of them than they mean to kessel....have only really watched this guy since he came to the leafs, he is greater than i thought he was....i think his puck release is quicker than hull`s and bossey`s was.....lookout he is only a youngster...great pick-up for the leafs.....look on the bright side leaf-fans, i`m sure whom-ever toronto would have drafted next season would end up being a BUST...least somebody already drafted a star for them ::))) |
| n/a |
Posted - 11/22/2009 : 13:15:35
What a weird last couple of games, to say the least.
Record so far with Kessel: 3 wins, 4 losses, 2 OT losses, 8 points.
Coming up this week to finish off Kessel's first 12 game with the Leafs: NYIsles, TB, Florida, all road games.
Looks like my 6 wins isn't going to happen, but I think the Leafs could squeeze out two wins. If they play defence like they did against Washington. And if they get some bounces. And if Kessel starts clicking with his linemates.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Guest2120 |
Posted - 11/11/2009 : 09:58:37
I think that without Savard, Kessel's production will go down, but not nearly to the extent some people suggest.
I don't think this drop in production will be well represented in this year's stats though. Let's face it, Kessel is by far the best weapon on a team without much offensive talent. He is going to get all the ice time he wants, all the PP time he needs and he's going to be encouraged to shoot the puck.
I expect his numbers will look a lot more like Jokinen in Florida. Or if you want a player that hits closer to home, Blake on the Isle. |
| Guest4271 |
Posted - 11/10/2009 : 16:05:54
Im a big bruin fan, and watched 73 of their games last year. Thank GOD for centrer ice. I can tell you that while kessel certainlly played well and for the most part with savard he still was great when krejci and bergeron were his centers. I think he is going to be a 30 - 40 goal scorer for many years to come, even if stajen is his set up guy. |
| Gusteroni |
Posted - 11/10/2009 : 12:24:45
I'm an optimist and I love my Leafs  . I do think things are starting to come around though. It is like the team was just waiting to start the season until Kessel came in. I would say we could realistically get 12 of the next 24 points (from tonight vs Carolina to Dec. 3 against Columbus), not many points I know and they could do even better but their potential really has not been seen yet...and I do mean yet. If Kessel is going to be a superstar in this league in this day and age he has to become a player that can adapt to anything and anybody he is playing with and he is beginning to show that already playing in the hockey mecca of the world.
"There are only two seasons in Canada...hockey season and not hockey season." |
| Guest9494 |
Posted - 11/09/2009 : 20:39:03
lol leafs81 amazing comment pure snipe skills showned by kessel on his first of the year hehe im surprized no one had uploaded the clip yet |
| Leafs81 |
Posted - 11/09/2009 : 15:20:25
Who needs Savard when you have Kaberle??? hehe just kidding, but he does help on the PP. all right seriously, Kessel is playing good so far, the Leafs are better then in October, but to keep on winning it's not all because of Kessel it's a team work and everybody needs to contribute. Defense needs to be more consistent, they still need to improve the pk, They have to cut on the stupid penalties, and Gustavsson still has to prove to be a solid number one goalie. All this has to happen before we can really point at Kessel.
Also I believe Kessel production will drop because he's not playing with Savard, but I also believe he hasn't hit is prime yet.
And somebody said something about Savard having the ability of passing the puck, get the man open, make him shoot and make him score (sarcasticly of course) Well didn't Kessel did just that on the Mitchell goal last saturday against Detroit??? hehehe.... |
| Open_Ice |
Posted - 11/09/2009 : 12:37:04
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so according to your logic kessel and heatley depended solely on spezza and savard and now that theyre on san jose and toronto wont score at all? gimme a break yes they obviously scored more with some of the best playmakers in the game but who wouldnt?
Heatley is now playing with Thornton and Kessel is now playing with Stajan/Mitchell ...
There's going to be a hit to his production. |
| n/a |
Posted - 11/09/2009 : 07:23:42
Leafs performance in Kessel's first 12 games, my prediction:
6 wins, 4 losses, 2 OTL/SO losses
First three games: 2 wins, 1 OTL
Looking good so far! Coming up this week is one weakish team (Minny) and two real tough ones (Chicago and Calgary). If the Leafs can get a win, and push one of the other two games into O/T, then I will consider it a very successful week!
The main thing is, with Gustavsson in net and the defence playing better, the goals against is greatly lowered - our main problem, really. And with a couple more wins, in a row, it has started to build a tiny bit of confidence hopefully.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Guest6705 |
Posted - 11/09/2009 : 04:13:05
Leafs are what we thought they would be....horrible! |
| Guest5026 |
Posted - 11/08/2009 : 22:02:30
yeah the bruins are doing awesome this year without kessel. hahahahahahaha |
| irvine |
Posted - 11/08/2009 : 17:21:07
I have to admit that Kessel has looked good in his first two games back as a Leaf.
Although an Ottawa Senators fan, I have no problem with seeing other teams and players do well, as I'm a fan of the game more than anything. so hopefully Kessel continues to do well. Looks good on him. :)
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Posted - 11/08/2009 : 14:41:06
Savrd's a free agent this July?!? Did not know that . . . interesting indeed. I do think Boston would try to keep him though, possibly depending on his performance this year/playoffs.
I am not worrying yet about Kessel fitting in with his linemates . . . it is rare indeed that there is some magical, instant fit, but regardless - chemistry is a bit more important that overall superstar linemates, I feel. There are countless examples of top star players being put together with other superstars, and it just doesn't click. Someone mentioned Hull and Oates? How about Hull and Gretzky?
And last game, Stajan didn't play with Kessel - Blake and Mitchell did, if I remember correctly. And I think we will see lots of other different combos from the coach . . . and hopefully, something will click at some point.
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Posted - 11/08/2009 : 08:29:23
I think Kessel's looked good, but I think this last post has a ton a validity. You can look through the ages and see that when a set up man and a scorer are split up, both numbers go down. Some not as much as other, but it still happens.
Even Gretzky's numbers dropped when he didn't have Kurri on the wing anymore!!! Hull never came close to his numbers after he left Adam Oates. Look at Jagr with Lemieux compared to without him.
Kessel still has the skills to score goals in piles, but not as many as he could have if he had a great set up many on his wing.
Don't fret Leaf Fans, Savard is a UFA this coming July. |
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