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| Pasty7 |
Posted - 02/26/2008 : 09:08:02
well i was a habs fan when they traded patrick roy and couldn;t stand them for years afterwards now they've traded huet for this joke of a draft pick i'm officially no longer a habs fan,, looking for a new team any suggestions!!
Pasty |
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| Guest8020 |
Posted - 10/19/2008 : 05:59:05
anyone who quits cheering for a team because they traded a player was never really a fan to begin with, and i guess the leafs will take fans they will take anything they can get because they are losers,
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| OILINONTARIO |
Posted - 10/19/2008 : 04:24:11
I think the Hawks are just showcasing Khabibulin for a trade. I hope so anyway, 'cause i've got Cristobal in my pool.
The Oil WILL make the playoffs in 2009. |
| Guest4381 |
Posted - 10/18/2008 : 11:52:41
that trade doesn't look so bad now, does it?
Huet will be burning the bench in chicago, what a wasted 5 million! |
| baimerr |
Posted - 08/20/2008 : 07:47:03
back to the first posts when huet left.
they seemed to do a lot better without him there, and not only thanks to the promising price, but i think they showed that it doesn't matter who they lose, the habs are going to compete regardless of their roster and all other teams better keep that in mind. |
| SuperSakic |
Posted - 03/11/2008 : 11:26:41
Fair enough Antro. Good luck with the Leafs. I hope they actually do well next year because the rivalry is better when both opponents are doing well (or the same at the very least  ) |
| Antroman |
Posted - 03/11/2008 : 09:34:23
Hey Super, Your impression of the Habs and the Leafs are very interesting to say the least. It shows me how differently we both look at the two teams. The Leafs try to improve the team just as much as the Habs but unfortunately things do not always work out for my team. I think you are a little over the top because the Habs are doing really well this year but you have simply brushed aside the fact that Toronto ended their season last year. I know their history of winning past Stanley Cups has caused a false euphoria for you but Montreal has not done much since they stole that cup in 1993. I think I can safely put our won lost record since that time as being better than Montreal's? I am not much of a stats man but maybe Alex can figure this one out. The reason I say they stole that cup in 1993 was because by the time Gretzky's Kings had finally dispensed of the Leafs in a tough seven game series they had nothing left in the tank for the final against the Habs. They were simply tired and broken and the Habs had an easy time of it. By the way, the Leafs beat the Habs all three times that they met that season and it has been reported that Gretzky had his best ever series of his career against the Maples and without that heroic effort it would have been a different story. I don't want to make excuses for the Leafs track record lately but I have to say that the new NHL has had a real adverse effect on our club and the Ferguson era has hurt almost as much but the rebuilding is started and I think in a couple of years you will see a marked improvement in our club. To sum it up I hope for you the Habs do well but I hope for me they do not. |
| SuperSakic |
Posted - 03/11/2008 : 07:37:40
Antro -
I just want to say: wow!
Your knowledge of hockey history is the tops. There's no way that I could compete with you there. I'm glad there are fellows like you on this board to offer insight and impart knowledge to those of younger generations.
As for the Habs deeming some of the players as unfit to fight in the war so that they could win more cups, I can understand your dislike of the organization. However, this also goes to show the nature of the two teams (Habs and Leafs). You have on the one hand (the Leafs) who don't really do much to improve their team, and then you have the Habs who take the attitude that you have to win at all costs. And I think that this attitude has carried on over the years. With that said, don't you think that the Leafs could use a little of that attitude?
And how can you say that the growth of the US teams has suffered? They have been winning all the cups as of late. Montreal being the last Canadian team to win it....And I don't know that you can say that they "stole" that one. That team just happened to have all of the right ingredients. Then they traded away key players that they couldn't do it again. Had they kept the same team, it would have been a repeat in my opinion. |
| Antroman |
Posted - 03/10/2008 : 15:29:45
Hey Super - Read the post again. I said that Mtl has won only one more cup than The Maples since 89-90 and they stole that one. If you are interested in a little Hab history I can honestly tell you that some of those Cups during the war years that the Habs won were the direct result of the Quebec government hiding the Montreal players from conscription into the forces by deeming them unfit for service in one regard or another. It was a joke. While the other team's players were off fighting in the second great war Montreal was sitting pretty at home winning hockey games. Secondly, when expansion came in after the '67 season, Sam Pollock was trading fading stars like Backstrom and d***ie Moore to the uneducated and cash strapped U.S. teams for their high draft picks. It was literally highway robbery as the selfish little deviant set hockey in the new NHL markets back on their heels and almost ruined the thoughts of selling the game in the U.S. The harm that he caused has had a negative effect on the growth of the game south of the border that is still being felt today. These picks that were stolen from those weak sisters became the backbone of those great Hab teams in the seventies. I am not at all sure what you Habbers are going to think about this but both of these reasons have solidified my hatred for this most dispicable of all sports teams bar none. |
| SuperSakic |
Posted - 03/10/2008 : 07:26:12
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Antroman[/i]
[br]Hey Super Sakic: I love the cut of your jib. I like someone that can intelligently throw the crap right back at me. It is fun that way. Old School, I guess I am. I just can't see why a person living in or around the GTA could possibly like the Montreal team. My nephew is a big Oiler's fan for instance and he has never been farther west than the Ontario border. You see, I can literally follow my team on an almost hour to hour basis. The media is all over the Leafs in this area, radio shows, newspapers, tv stations, etc etc. They are an everyday happening for a fan if you choose them to be and for me I feel very fortunate to be the Leaf fanatic that I am, even though the rewards have been very slim the last few years. You may not know this but under Pat Quinn the Maples had more points than any other team in the league during his tenure. I hate to diagree with you but who on the Montreal team can tie up Mats Sundin's skate laces in recent years....NOOOOOOOOBODY!!!!! Since 89-90 Montreal has won one cup and they stole that one which is only one cup more than the Mighty Maples. The Leafs have been bad lately as we try to shake off the Ferguson era and the new NHL era but we are in the process of fixing it and fix it we will. You can take that to the bank.
Hey Antro: I enjoy going back and forth with a Leafs fans. But as for comparing Sundin with anyone on Montreal in recent years, I can name a player whom Sundin should be tying the laces of....Jose Theodore! When he won the Hart trophy he was the best. I know he sucks now and isn't even a Hab but still worth mentioning  . That also goes to show you that Montreal has a system in which every player contributes instead of just one guy doing all of the scoring.
But as to the point of the Maples having only one less cup than Montreal? Are you talking about only in the past decade, or overall?
And whether or not the leafs can be fixed or not will be judged based on if they can win the cup or not. It has been toooo long and the natives are restless. But I think I can say this with confidence: The Habs will win the cup before the Leafs.....again! |
| Antroman |
Posted - 03/08/2008 : 11:19:59
Hey Super Sakic: I love the cut of your jib. I like someone that can intelligently throw the crap right back at me. It is fun that way. Old School, I guess I am. I just can't see why a person living in or around the GTA could possibly like the Montreal team. My nephew is a big Oiler's fan for instance and he has never been farther west than the Ontario border. You see, I can literally follow my team on an almost hour to hour basis. The media is all over the Leafs in this area, radio shows, newspapers, tv stations, etc etc. They are an everyday happening for a fan if you choose them to be and for me I feel very fortunate to be the Leaf fanatic that I am, even though the rewards have been very slim the last few years. You may not know this but under Pat Quinn the Maples had more points than any other team in the league during his tenure. I hate to diagree with you but who on the Montreal team can tie up Mats Sundin's skate laces in recent years....NOOOOOOOOBODY!!!!! Since 89-90 Montreal has won one cup and they stole that one which is only one cup more than the Mighty Maples. The Leafs have been bad lately as we try to shake off the Ferguson era and the new NHL era but we are in the process of fixing it and fix it we will. You can take that to the bank. |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 03/08/2008 : 11:07:46
agreed ....
Pasty |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 03/07/2008 : 20:37:36
quote:
Originally posted by Pasty7
Beans agree huet hasn't played as much as other nhl goalies that is 100% correct but may i ask you this do you think maybe huet was victim of bad circumstances, i mean for example if the trade garon for huet and bonk had never happend,, surly theodore would have had the same melt down ,,, we know garon could have easily done what uet did takeing over that no 1 job,,, theo goes to colorado and abby comes back with garon. then you have huet,, who that year could have very easily taken the no 1 job from cloutier and or j.s aubin,,, he would have had his two season in l.a and this year L.A could have had huet as the starter with Labarbra or even Bernier as his backup huet would have deffinetly seen over 60% of the games in L.A this year and they probaly would have been willing to sign him for another 2 years or so while Bernier develops..... only down side to this Garon would never have ended up with your oilers but my point is i find both huet and Garon are potentially Great goalies who keep getting the short end of the stick having to prove themselves again and again,,,,,,,,
Pasty
Ok, I kinda follow what you are saying, and I agree. Huet did kinda get a stuck a little in Montreal. But for him personally, I think being in Washington is a great thing. Young up and coming team that will more that likely invenst in him being the full time #1. I think that's awesome.
All my previous posts were just stating that Huet, albeit a solid goalie, is not an elite goalie in the league. When I talk about the elite, it's Brodeur, Luongo, Lundqvist, Kipprusoff, Nabokov, and Turco. Those are the money goalies in the league in my mind. Huet belong in the group below that, who are solid goalies and up and comers like Backstrom, Thomas, Vokoun, Bryzgalov, Toskala, Dipeitro, and such.
The unfortunate thing was for Montreal. I truely don't think they could have gotten more than a 2nd rounder for the various reasons I have stated countless times. Montreal need to move him or lose him for nothing. |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 03/07/2008 : 10:42:06
Beans agree huet hasn't played as much as other nhl goalies that is 100% correct but may i ask you this do you think maybe huet was victim of bad circumstances, i mean for example if the trade garon for huet and bonk had never happend,, surly theodore would have had the same melt down ,,, we know garon could have easily done what uet did takeing over that no 1 job,,, theo goes to colorado and abby comes back with garon. then you have huet,, who that year could have very easily taken the no 1 job from cloutier and or j.s aubin,,, he would have had his two season in l.a and this year L.A could have had huet as the starter with Labarbra or even Bernier as his backup huet would have deffinetly seen over 60% of the games in L.A this year and they probaly would have been willing to sign him for another 2 years or so while Bernier develops..... only down side to this Garon would never have ended up with your oilers but my point is i find both huet and Garon are potentially Great goalies who keep getting the short end of the stick having to prove themselves again and again,,,,,,,,
Pasty |
| SuperSakic |
Posted - 03/07/2008 : 10:34:14
quote:
Originally posted by Antroman
Hey SuperSakic, I like Toskala better simply because he plays for the Maples. Simple as that. We will never know if Huet is an improvement over Toskala because in all probability he will never play here? Secondly, I am from Southern Ontario and root for the Maples because I am from here. You see, the team could lose every game for the next five years and they would still be my team. It is just so counter productive to root for foreign teams when you have one of your own and the Habs would be the last team on God's green earth that I would cheer for. Only traitors and darksiders do those things.......LOL......
I see that you follow the "old-school" sense of logic, where you go down with the ship no matter what happens. But I think it is also because you been around much longer than I and have watched a lot more "dynasty" teams play. No disrespect to your age, but I think it puts some perspective on how you see the game. I for one (although not that young) have only started watching hockey since the 89-90 season, so for me it was more a matter of "man, do these Leafs suck or what?". I still loved Gilmour and Clark, but after they traded those guys away there wasn't much to like about them. Then when the Habs won the cup, I said to myself "now there's a team that really knows how to play!". They had consistently made the playoffs (except for last season). Their players I noticed were always better and more exciting to watch than the Leafs' players. I became a fan because I enjoyed the game of hockey and how it was played by the Habs, not because I just happen to live in a particular city. I bet when you started watching the Leafs play they were probably one of the hottest teams around. And I think that that is how ALL fans of hockey come to like the teams that they like.....does anyone ever become a fan of hockey because they started off watching the team of their city play like crap every season? I think not. |
| Alex |
Posted - 03/07/2008 : 08:30:16
Wasn't Pittsbrugh in rebuild mode just a few moments before the Crosby sweepstakes? I mean come on, they arent contenders in three years from being last place teams.
Sure they are much better than expected, but let's face it, they won't win the cup this year, I will bet all my points in the ''Put your reputation where your mouth is!'' game we have going.
Had they kept Armstrong Christensen Esposito the prospect, and as you suggest, later, Malkin, they would be able to run away with it soon, in a rerun of 92 93. I think they blew their chances, and I think the salary cap is slightly to blame.
All aboard the Price bandwagon |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 03/07/2008 : 08:18:43
quote:
Originally posted by Alex
I see your point. Now, question, did Pittsburgh not overpay? Some say Hossa is not a rental player, well, if he isnt, Malkin will probably go, or else some other big name. And for what they gave up... 
I mean, let's be real, they made that trade to win the cup. I don't see it happening and I see Ray Shero as the big loser
All aboard the Price bandwagon
Did PItt overpay for Hossa??? I don't think so. I think of it more as insurance. Firstly, I doubt any GM would give up a bunch for a player like Hossa without having some kind of idea they could sign him.
That being said, if Hossa doesn't sign they might have lost out.
But.............
If they can sign Hossa, it puts a lot less pressure on them to sign Malkin. Then, they can shop Malkin for a possible sign and trade. They can easily get more for Malkin then they gave up for Hossa. So, to tell the real meat of the deal is to see what happens next. If they can trade Malkin for a top defensemen, a top 6 forward and a high draft pick or prosepct, that is solid. Then, in essence the trade Malkin, Angelo Esposito, Colby Armstrong, Erik Christensen and a first-round draft pick for Hossa, a top 2 defensemen, a top 6 forward and potentially a 1st round draft pick.
That looks like an even trade to me.
But let's face it, I don't think any of the guys that Pitt gave up will be bonified superstars in this league. Like ever other trade in hockey, it's a risk. I personally would have taken that same risk. |
| ThorntonisTHEMAN |
Posted - 03/07/2008 : 08:03:16
I agree. I do not see them winning the cup this year and i do not see Hossa resigning with them. If these things do not come to pass, then Pittsburgh just traded away a HUGE part of the future. Atlanta's GM is a genius tho! Incredible move for him!
quote:
Originally posted by Alex
I see your point. Now, question, did Pittsburgh not overpay? Some say Hossa is not a rental player, well, if he isnt, Malkin will probably go, or else some other big name. And for what they gave up...
I mean, let's be real, they made that trade to win the cup. I don't see it happening and I see Ray Shero as the big loser
All aboard the Price bandwagon
"I'm not dumb enough to be a goalie."
Brett Hull. |
| Guest2769 |
Posted - 03/07/2008 : 06:25:34
All Buffalo got from Philly for Biron last season was a 2nd round pick... |
| Alex |
Posted - 03/07/2008 : 04:27:14
I see your point. Now, question, did Pittsburgh not overpay? Some say Hossa is not a rental player, well, if he isnt, Malkin will probably go, or else some other big name. And for what they gave up...
I mean, let's be real, they made that trade to win the cup. I don't see it happening and I see Ray Shero as the big loser
All aboard the Price bandwagon |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 03/07/2008 : 00:43:42
quote:
Originally posted by Alex
Beans, just take three seconds to explain why Hal Gill got more, that's all that bothers me.
All aboard the Price bandwagon
Here are the reasons I can think of:
1) Hal Gill is not a UFA at the end of the year.
2) A 6'7", 250 lbs stay at home defenseman who can give you 20+ minutes a night will always find a home in the NHL.
3) For $2 million/season, it's a pretty reasonable salary for the next two years and a pretty low risk.
4) And most importantly. It's the trade deadline. That means some players go for more than their value while others are basically dumped for a lower value then they are worth.
If this was in the middle of summer, Huet has a higher value than Gill. However, as I said at least a half dozen times, unless it's a playoff team no GM will overpay for a rental player. The playoff bound teams appeared to be confident with their goaltending(rightly or wrongly.) That means Huet does not have a high value at the trade deadline. Also, Gainey must have thought that he was going with Price long term, so why not get at least something or let him walk away at the end of the year and have nothing to show for it.
Why is this concept so hard to understand???
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| Antroman |
Posted - 03/04/2008 : 21:49:12
Hey SuperSakic, I like Toskala better simply because he plays for the Maples. Simple as that. We will never know if Huet is an improvement over Toskala because in all probability he will never play here? Secondly, I am from Southern Ontario and root for the Maples because I am from here. You see, the team could lose every game for the next five years and they would still be my team. It is just so counter productive to root for foreign teams when you have one of your own and the Habs would be the last team on God's green earth that I would cheer for. Only traitors and darksiders do those things.......LOL...... |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 03/04/2008 : 14:29:43
Pasty, I think you are only looking at the stats that favor Huet. Let's do a little something here.
Huet has done all the AMAZING things you speak of being a part time starter. He's played 118 games in the past three seasons and that is only have of Montreal's games through the trade deadline this year. Most of the "starting" goalies in the league during that time have played 150 games or more. Some of them over 200 games. Of those guys who have played more than 150 games, 3 of them have a save percentage below .910 and only 1 has a save percentage less than .900. Of those same 13 goalies, all of but three of them face at least 27 shots a game so it's not like they are taking too many nights off. Looking at GA/game, 8 of them have a better GA/game than Huet. These goalies are:
Brodeur
Kiprusoff
Luongo
Turco
Dipietro
Lundqvist
R. Miller
Giguere
Vokoun
Kolzig
Nabokov
Khabibulin
Legace
What's my point?? I actually have two very clear points.
1) Although you might think that Huet's numbers put him in the catagory becuase of his save percentage and shots and what ever. But, this list of goalies do what Huet does but playing more game. That is the reason Huet doesn't belong. Huet plays 118 game(barely over 50% of available games), the other 150 (67%) or more and 10 of them with 160 (75%) or more game. Having a high save percentage and low GA and facing a lot of shots every 2ND night is not the same as doing it 2 out of 3 nights.
2) Although some will argue that it has more to do with the team, but the bottom line to any goalie is winning. It wouldn't matter if the goalie's other stats were not near the top if he won more games that anyone else. Here is the the list of goalies who have played as many or more games than Huet and have a higher win percentage. You will notice that some are on better teams, some on teams that are not as good.
Hasek
Brodeur
Gerber
Toskala
Turco
R. Miller
Giguere
Legace
Kiprusoff
Vokoun
Emery
Lundqvist
Luongo
Ward
That's means there is a list of 13 goalies who statistically do as good as Huet or better while playing more games and a list of 15 goalies that win more than Huet playing the same or more games.
LAST TIME FROM THE UPPER DECK.
None of this indicated that Huet is an elite goalie in the league. He is a UFA at the end of the season, and not many if any playoff bound teams were looking for goalies. That means his value(at least at the trade deadline) is not that high. He's an above average goalie(not elite) and he may or may not sign with the team who traded for him. No GM will give up anything for that.
2nd round pick is about as much as anyone would have given for Huet.
Doesn't anyone think that Gainey would have gotten something more if it was available?? |
| SuperSakic |
Posted - 03/04/2008 : 13:12:33
quote:
Originally posted by Antroman
I have to add that I do not know why anybody could possibly like the toilet seats anyway, pretty soon they won't even be part of our great nation. Secondly, that list of teams placing Huet as number one should not include the Leafs, we already have a goalie that is better than him in Toskala.
Toskala was doing as good as Huet was doing before he got traded. The reason you think Toskala is better is because you see how the laughs suck so you automatically think that he must be amazing, so therefore, to you Toskala's play look's better than the Huet's. It's all a matter of perspective.
Also, I would take any moniker before I took the Leafs. They are doing a disservice to canada's symbol by being so sucky!
So that is why someone would like the "toilet seats" before a bunch of leafs that look like someone just did some wiping with them.  |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 03/04/2008 : 12:19:58
quote:
Originally posted by Antroman
I am not a big fan of Raycroft but agree that he is not as bad as some people make him out to be. I think the Leafs being what they are does not afford the luxury of a soft goal now and again. I think Toskala is just a little more stable than Raycroft and a much better puck handler. You are right as far as this season goes, the Habs were not stronger after the trade deadline but maybe they didn't need to be? I like the chemistry they have been building on since training camp. I said just before Christmas that they were getting scary and I have no reason to relent on that statement. Maybe Gainey was most afraid to break up that chemistry. Old adage "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". I really do not think that they can beat the west this year but it would not surprise me to see them represent the east in the finals especially if they can keep the home rink advantage by finishing first. God, I hate talking about them though because personally I hope they lose in the first round. It is my fear of them that keeps me interested in what they are doing or not doing.......LOL.......
haha its true i do remember you calling them well before christmas as scary good,,, good call,,,, personally love my huet to much so go caps go!!!
Pasty |
| Antroman |
Posted - 03/04/2008 : 11:26:39
I am not a big fan of Raycroft but agree that he is not as bad as some people make him out to be. I think the Leafs being what they are does not afford the luxury of a soft goal now and again. I think Toskala is just a little more stable than Raycroft and a much better puck handler. You are right as far as this season goes, the Habs were not stronger after the trade deadline but maybe they didn't need to be? I like the chemistry they have been building on since training camp. I said just before Christmas that they were getting scary and I have no reason to relent on that statement. Maybe Gainey was most afraid to break up that chemistry. Old adage "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". I really do not think that they can beat the west this year but it would not surprise me to see them represent the east in the finals especially if they can keep the home rink advantage by finishing first. God, I hate talking about them though because personally I hope they lose in the first round. It is my fear of them that keeps me interested in what they are doing or not doing.......LOL....... |
| Guest0001 |
Posted - 03/04/2008 : 08:51:12
quote:
Originally posted by Pasty7
quote:
Originally posted by Antroman
Hey Pasty, Just maybe Gainey is trying to build a dynasty and realizes that it would have been beneficial to keep Huet for this season and try to win the cup but the pick, cap reasons and avoiding free agengy was the proper way to go. As far as Huet's record goes, I think Raycroft would have decent stats on that team because of their style of play. Carbonneau is a master at keeping goals out. I am not selling Huet short because he is an excellent stopper for sure but just stating facts.
Pasty
the post above is mine for some reason this computer is going nuts its not mine sorry guys,, you're absolutly right antro.... see now everyone is going to call me crazy but i love raycroft and i think on a lot of other teams he could be great,,, i remeber pre lock out habs vs. boston in the playoffs i was at 2 of those games and i was baffled at how amazing raycroft was the only reason that boston lasted so long in the playoffs,,, i'm just saying next the habs have only 6 guys under contract,,,, what if we lose a bunch of guys or cant afford to sighn them the cup won't come next year this year we're first in the east this is the year to make our run... who knows what next year is going to bring! And if gainey was looking for a cup this year he couldn;t afford to lose the goalie that has got them where they are espcially not for nothing,,, the habs are undeniably a worse team after the deadline,,,, how many cup contending teams get worse!? |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 03/04/2008 : 08:42:32
quote:
Originally posted by Antroman
Hey Pasty, Just maybe Gainey is trying to build a dynasty and realizes that it would have been beneficial to keep Huet for this season and try to win the cup but the pick, cap reasons and avoiding free agengy was the proper way to go. As far as Huet's record goes, I think Raycroft would have decent stats on that team because of their style of play. Carbonneau is a master at keeping goals out. I am not selling Huet short because he is an excellent stopper for sure but just stating facts.
Pasty |
| Antroman |
Posted - 03/04/2008 : 08:27:56
Hey Pasty, Just maybe Gainey is trying to build a dynasty and realizes that it would have been beneficial to keep Huet for this season and try to win the cup but the pick, cap reasons and avoiding free agengy was the proper way to go. As far as Huet's record goes, I think Raycroft would have decent stats on that team because of their style of play. Carbonneau is a master at keeping goals out. I am not selling Huet short because he is an excellent stopper for sure but just stating facts. |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 03/04/2008 : 08:16:54
again,,, i'll repeat myself the goalie who sees the 7th most shots in the league and stops the 2nd highest percentage of those shots all the while maintaining an average of under 2.4 could only be guranteed his spot on 10 teams in the league???? and again this isn;t just in one year this is in three years running?? oh and did anyone catch price's performance against san jose,,, not to take a lot away from price but in the big gams like last night,,, he was obviously nervous and off his game,,, san jose averages i think just over 2 goals a game so the fact that they got 6 last night,,, shows the habs need consistent goaltending ,,, like a said before,, huet got us basicly into first while price was in the minors with and average over 4 ???????
Pasty |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 03/04/2008 : 07:35:45
Antroman, here here! Words of wisdom.
And Alex, I did address your very issue in pretty much every one of my post. Let's explain it one more time from the cheap seats.
1) Huet is a UFA at the end of the year. A GM is not going to give up ANYTHING of value for a UFA unless it's for a rental. As I said, the playoff teams have solid goaltending for the most part. That leaves the non-playoff teams. Why would a non-play off team give up anything for a UFA??
2) Price is and has been playing just as solid as Huet. So as Antro said, Gainey dropped a salary. Plus, if Gainey was planning on going with Price, if he didn't trade Huet he would have had him walk away for nothing in July.
3) And although you 'vast majority" think he could fight for a starting spot on most teams, I disagree completely. I named 12 goalies that I would start ahead of him without question. That means he is fighting for a starting spot on maybe 60% of the teams and can outright start(IMO) on about 10 teams in the league.
That being said, Gainey getting anything for him is better than him walking away at the end of the year and Montreal getting nothing back.
Does that answer your question Alex?? |
| Antroman |
Posted - 03/03/2008 : 21:52:29
This is quite the topic for sure. I had no idea that so many cared one iota about what the toilet seats did or didn't do. Price is an awesome goalie period. Huet was expendable and Gainey managed to get rid of some cap dollars and picked up a second which really isn't chopped liver. I do not think there was a huge market for goalies around the league and he probably made the right decision. I can remember twice before rookie goalies carrying the Habs to two Cups in the past, those being Dryden and Roy. I have to add that I do not know why anybody could possibly like the toilet seats anyway, pretty soon they won't even be part of our great nation. Secondly, that list of teams placing Huet as number one should not include the Leafs, we already have a goalie that is better than him in Toskala. Thirdly, to the guest that suggested that all Leaf fans could blow him because the Habs were going to win the Cup, I wish you only the best of luck in trying to collect if they do. I will leave the rest up to your own little imagination. |
| Datsyuk 1 |
Posted - 03/03/2008 : 20:29:10
That just a terrible trade for Montreal, the 2nd round picks are usually pretenders but never doubt the 2nd round pick. Now Montreal has to go in the playoffs with Price is that good to give him a chance or no?
Good defense is good offense! |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 03/03/2008 : 16:35:02
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
This is absoultely insane. Look at Huet's numbers in the past three seasons puts him in the top 4 of what? Again, your playstation NHL dynasty is about the only thing Huet is in the top 4 of.
I took a look back on the time since the lockout and every regular season game every goalie played. I took out any goalie that did not play at least 50 games and I ranked them in the following Catagories:
Games Played
Wins
Losses
OT Losses
Shots Against
Goals Against
Saves
Save %
Shut Outs
Shots/Game
Goals Against/Game
Win %
Huet was only ranked in the top 10 of three of those catagories (Save %. 2nd, Shut Outs, 9th, and Shots/Game, 7th). In fact, he wasn't in the top 15 of any other catagory.
I then looked that the rankings, considering each catagory being equal, and created an all around ranking. For example, if a goalie ranked #1 in each of the 11 catagories, he would have a score of 11 (combination of all ranks). Then divided by 11(number of catagories) and a average rank is created. The lower the score the better.
Here is the list in order/
Martin Brodeur
Roberto Luongo
Miikka Kiprusoff
Tomas Vokoun
Henrik Lundqvist
Jean-Sebastien Giguere
Ryan Miller
Rick Depietro
Manny Legace
Marty Turco
Timothy Jr. Thomas
Cristobal Huet
Dominik Hasek
Kari Lehtonen
Evgeni Nabokov
Ray Emery
Vesa Toskala
Martin Gerber
Marc-Andre Fleury
Mathieu Garon
Chris Mason
Dwayne Roloson
Martin Biron
Niklas Backstrom
Manny Fernandez
Pascal Leclaire
Ilja Bryzgalov
Chris Osgood
Peter Budaj
Nikolai Khabibulin
Cam Ward
Olaf Kolzig
Alexander Auld
Curtis Joseph
Antero Niittymaki
Ed Belfour
David Aebischer
Andrew Raycroft
Ty Conklin
Jose Theodore
Fredrik Norrena
Johan Holmqvist
Jason LaBarbera
John Grahame
Brent Johnson
Curtis Sanford
Mikael Tellqvist
Johan Hedberg
Marc Denis
Sean Burke
Robert Esche
Patrick Lalime
J-Sebastien Aubin
Kevin Weekes
Hannu Toivonen
Jussi Markkanen
This tells me a couple of things:
1) Pasty, you did not do your homework before you posted.
2) Huet is statistically below most the the goalies I named in a previous post. Of the others I named (Backstrom, Leclaire, Bryzgalov) 2 of those three were backing up some pretty talented goalies before this year.
Regardless, I don't really care what you "think." Prove to me that Huet is an elite goalie in the league. He's not on my top 10 list, or most anyone else's.
2nd round pick for an above average but not elite, UFA goalie is about right.
well i suppose you did a little more homework then me thats all, i only looked at GAA Sv% and shots on goal and i didn;t weight them all the same ,,, in my opinion your post just proves my point futhur,,, you're telling me a goalie who sees the 7th most shots in the league and saves the second highest percent of those shots isn;t top ten in the league ??? espcially when his gaa is under 2.5??? come on beans!
those are the stats that matter!!
Pasty |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 03/03/2008 : 15:05:35
This is absoultely insane. Look at Huet's numbers in the past three seasons puts him in the top 4 of what? Again, your playstation NHL dynasty is about the only thing Huet is in the top 4 of.
I took a look back on the time since the lockout and every regular season game every goalie played. I took out any goalie that did not play at least 50 games and I ranked them in the following Catagories:
Games Played
Wins
Losses
OT Losses
Shots Against
Goals Against
Saves
Save %
Shut Outs
Shots/Game
Goals Against/Game
Win %
Huet was only ranked in the top 10 of three of those catagories (Save %. 2nd, Shut Outs, 9th, and Shots/Game, 7th). In fact, he wasn't in the top 15 of any other catagory.
I then looked that the rankings, considering each catagory being equal, and created an all around ranking. For example, if a goalie ranked #1 in each of the 11 catagories, he would have a score of 11 (combination of all ranks). Then divided by 11(number of catagories) and a average rank is created. The lower the score the better.
Here is the list in order/
Martin Brodeur
Roberto Luongo
Miikka Kiprusoff
Tomas Vokoun
Henrik Lundqvist
Jean-Sebastien Giguere
Ryan Miller
Rick Depietro
Manny Legace
Marty Turco
Timothy Jr. Thomas
Cristobal Huet
Dominik Hasek
Kari Lehtonen
Evgeni Nabokov
Ray Emery
Vesa Toskala
Martin Gerber
Marc-Andre Fleury
Mathieu Garon
Chris Mason
Dwayne Roloson
Martin Biron
Niklas Backstrom
Manny Fernandez
Pascal Leclaire
Ilja Bryzgalov
Chris Osgood
Peter Budaj
Nikolai Khabibulin
Cam Ward
Olaf Kolzig
Alexander Auld
Curtis Joseph
Antero Niittymaki
Ed Belfour
David Aebischer
Andrew Raycroft
Ty Conklin
Jose Theodore
Fredrik Norrena
Johan Holmqvist
Jason LaBarbera
John Grahame
Brent Johnson
Curtis Sanford
Mikael Tellqvist
Johan Hedberg
Marc Denis
Sean Burke
Robert Esche
Patrick Lalime
J-Sebastien Aubin
Kevin Weekes
Hannu Toivonen
Jussi Markkanen
This tells me a couple of things:
1) Pasty, you did not do your homework before you posted.
2) Huet is statistically below most the the goalies I named in a previous post. Of the others I named (Backstrom, Leclaire, Bryzgalov) 2 of those three were backing up some pretty talented goalies before this year.
Regardless, I don't really care what you "think." Prove to me that Huet is an elite goalie in the league. He's not on my top 10 list, or most anyone else's.
2nd round pick for an above average but not elite, UFA goalie is about right.
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| Axey |
Posted - 03/03/2008 : 12:57:14
alright ... expansion era team comes into effect ... both are unprotected .. which one are you taking? |
| Alex |
Posted - 03/03/2008 : 12:10:58
quote:
Originally posted by Axey
I dont think huet is better the fleury .. not a chance
Not better, but he could fight for the role. Fleury just came off an injury and had not played NHL level for over two months, and anyways, his profile words is ''inconsistent''. I think he is good but he needs to be good every night, and Huet could steal the job for a few weeks at a time whenever Fleury falters.
Habs get number 25 this year |
| ThorntonisTHEMAN |
Posted - 03/03/2008 : 11:08:32
at this point I think he is better than Fleury. But I think in a year, possibly two, Fleury will be better than Huet ever was. Fleury has been quite inconsistent this season.
quote:
Originally posted by Axey
I dont think huet is better the fleury .. not a chance
"I'm not dumb enough to be a goalie."
Brett Hull. |
| Axey |
Posted - 03/03/2008 : 11:05:01
I dont think huet is better the fleury .. not a chance |
| ThorntonisTHEMAN |
Posted - 03/03/2008 : 07:06:17
ya, good point Super Sakic. Florida just needs defence. Boewmeester can't do it all.
"I'm not dumb enough to be a goalie."
Brett Hull. |
| SuperSakic |
Posted - 03/03/2008 : 07:03:51
quote:
Originally posted by ThorntonisTHEMAN
i disagree with you on a few, but not many. Now, i realize that you said that he could fight to be starting goalie, not necessarily become the starting goalie.
But i don't think he could become starter on:
Buffalo- Ryan MIller is the starter and has earned it.
New York- I don't think Huet would beat out Lundquist. I think Henrick is their starter.
Boston- Tim Thomas is the only reason that the Bruins are where they are so i think they would stick with him. I
Columbus- the way Leclaire is playing this year, i would definitly take him over Huet.
"I'm not dumb enough to be a goalie."
Brett Hull.
I would throw in Florida as well. Vokoun is just too good. Nashville made a huge blunder in opting for Mason instead. |
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