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| tmlfan46 |
Posted - 11/20/2006 : 19:30:28
Forsberg is being the talk around the league. As the flyers doing as bad as last place, are getting calls from citys such as Vancouver and Denver about Forsberg. Vancouver talked about trading morrison and kesler for forsberg. As good as Forsberg is he is highly injury prone which makes him worth that much less. |
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| Novie |
Posted - 03/01/2007 : 05:32:47
Patrick Berglund
WHO?
He's the 2006 1st Rounder that St Louis took with Carolina's pick.
Now what's your opinion on the deal?
Go Sens
Crosby is God
Tucker is a douche |
| tctitans |
Posted - 02/28/2007 : 11:05:15
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Originally posted by Guest8346
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Originally posted by tctitans
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Originally posted by Guest8346
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Originally posted by tctitans
As a true die-hard Canuck fan.. All I can say is that Nonis would
have to be braindead to give up one 1st round pick for ANY
rent-a-player.
A 1st round pick aint chopped liver people!
You should ask Hurricanes fans if they mind that the team gave up their 2006 1st rounder for Doug Weight...
And i'm sure they do mind. 23 games, 3 goals, and a -3 in the playoff run.
Are you kidding me?? Take a look at the assists column. Weight is a set-up man, plain and simple. They weren't looking for extra goal production when they signed him. That's like asking Andrew Cassels to become a sniper. The addition of Weight gave the 'Canes an unreal amount of talent down the middle and that depth was a big reason why they went all the way.
I didnt forget the assist column. It doesnt change the point. Weight was pretty much of a non-factor during the run (yes, he was often out on the pp, but he wasnt personally very effective). He's lost many steps and is on the tail end of a good career. IF Weight was the difference between them winning or not, then it would have been worth it. My opinion after watching the run carefully was that he wasnt a big factor. |
| Canucks Man |
Posted - 02/28/2007 : 10:54:01
That guy up there who put up wieghts stays left out 13 assits not bad at all
CANUCKS RULE!! |
| Guest8346 |
Posted - 02/28/2007 : 09:54:48
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Originally posted by tctitans
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Originally posted by Guest8346
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Originally posted by tctitans
As a true die-hard Canuck fan.. All I can say is that Nonis would
have to be braindead to give up one 1st round pick for ANY
rent-a-player.
A 1st round pick aint chopped liver people!
You should ask Hurricanes fans if they mind that the team gave up their 2006 1st rounder for Doug Weight...
And i'm sure they do mind. 23 games, 3 goals, and a -3 in the playoff run.
Are you kidding me?? Take a look at the assists column. Weight is a set-up man, plain and simple. They weren't looking for extra goal production when they signed him. That's like asking Andrew Cassels to become a sniper. The addition of Weight gave the 'Canes an unreal amount of talent down the middle and that depth was a big reason why they went all the way. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 02/14/2007 : 19:15:54
Pittsburg is basically build off of prospects as well.
And I hear ya Bab's, if SJ can keep that team together, they will be great for a long time! |
| bablaboushka |
Posted - 02/14/2007 : 17:04:25
Here's a link to their roster:
http://www.sjsharks.com/team/current_players.asp
You'll notice that Mike Grier, who only joined the team this year is their oldest player at 32!!! There are only two other guys older than 30 (Curtis Brown and Evgeni Nabokov are 31). Marc-Edouard Vlasic is their youngest player at 19.
But anyways, I realize that this is about Forsberg... |
| semin-rules |
Posted - 02/14/2007 : 16:59:01
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Originally posted by bablaboushka
Impossible to build a team on prospects? I know this issue has been addressed but I'll have you know that going by average age, San Jose is the youngest team in the NHL (yeah that's right, younger than Pittsburgh). They are the youngest team NOW and have the 5th best record in the NHL. IMAGINE them for the next 10 years.
And you guys wonder why I like them...
Really Babs....
I know they are doing really well but who are their young guns??
~~~~~GO STARS~~~~~ |
| bablaboushka |
Posted - 02/14/2007 : 16:45:37
Impossible to build a team on prospects? I know this issue has been addressed but I'll have you know that going by average age, San Jose is the youngest team in the NHL (yeah that's right, younger than Pittsburgh). They are the youngest team NOW and have the 5th best record in the NHL. IMAGINE them for the next 10 years.
And you guys wonder why I like them... |
| tctitans |
Posted - 02/14/2007 : 14:25:19
quote:
Originally posted by Guest2897
I think one thing you Canucks fan have to consider is that with the new rules in the NHL, it is nearly impossible to build a team on young prospects now.
Please elaborate. This makes no sense. In the new NHL, this is the ONLYway to build a team.
Unfortunately the new rules only allow a player 7 years on a team b4 a move is almost guaranteed.
Translation please? again.. this makes no sense
This season, the Canucks have a team that is surprisingly winning a large number of games. Why is that? 1 reason...Roberto Luongo. This guy has stood on his head all season.
I can only assume you havent watched the Nucks for the entire season. I was very dissapointed in Luongo for the first 3 months
of the season. He wasn't bad, but he certainly wasn't a 6 Million dollar netminder. The Canucks came out of the gate playing great hockey. Outworked and outshot their opponents by huge margins, but they werent getting much puck-luck and this didnt show in Win column. The scoring drought was also a huge and painful period. After Xmas, Luongo has been amazing, and has finally single-handly put Ws in the right column. The Nucks are still working hard, but havent quite dominated upfront like they did earlier on. Perhaps it has been a change in philosophy (more quality shots rather than just shots?) i'm not sure. But, yes, Luongo is great now, and a huge part of our success. But you can say that pretty much about any good team.
The canucks have an outstanding line in Henrik and Daniel Sedin, and whoever they feel like sticking on Henrik's other wing. They are sitting on a decent 2nd line with Naslund and Morrison, but the 2 of them just can't seem to find the connection they once had. If the Canucks were to bundle morrison and a 1st rounder, or maybe morrison, a prospect, and a 2nd or 3rd rounder, picking up a player like Forsberg would be completely beneficial.
Of course it's beneficial for anyone to pickup Forsberg. He just might be the best (biggest impact) player in the league. But running a team is a business, and you can just look at any deal at face value at a particular instant in time. If he helps bring a cup, then whatever the deal is probably a pretty good deal. If he doesnt, you want to avoid a disaster.
I don't know if you saw the numbers Forsberg and Naslund put up in their Swedish league together during the lockout, but there is a reason
I did, and it's irrelevant.
that in the season after the lockout, Forsberg said he would sign with no team unless it was with Markus Naslund.
I'm sure he has his preferences... but believe you me, that he'll play for anyone that has a decent chance at a cup run and is willing to give him his multi-millions.
To rent him for the rest of the season would give the Canucks 2 explosive lines, an outstanding 2 lines on the defensive side of things, and a backing in net that is easily enough to take a team the distance.
Agreed that Forsberg will make a huge impact to any team - he's outstanding. 'Easily enough to take a team the distance'? C'mon.. that's just silly.
Just a reminder that in the playoffs, 2 great lines, 1 great defensive pairing, and a goaltender is what wins a team a cup.
To have all that including an additional outstanding de-line would be pretty unstoppable. I say good on them if they go after Forsberg. Lets just pray he stays healthy. The new NHL is about taking risks, so I personally hope they have the decency to take this one.
Disagree again. The new NHL is about NOT TAKING risks. In the past it was easy to fix blunders with extra cash - cant do this anymore. It's still a business, and teams are forced (more than ever) to think of next year and down the road. The key here is how to balance this philosophy with taking an 'educated risk' to try and give yourself the shot at the grail this year as well....
Feb 27th will be interesting! :)
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| tctitans |
Posted - 02/14/2007 : 14:02:58
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Originally posted by Ryan Harper
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Originally posted by tctitans
As a true die-hard Canuck fan.. All I can say is that Nonis would
have to be braindead to give up one 1st round pick for ANY
rent-a-player.
A 1st round pick aint chopped liver people!
Always good to welcome another die hard Canucks fan to the forum. I do disagree and think that if Nagy is worth a first rounder then so is Forsberg.
"Some people skate to the puck. I skate to where the puck is going to be."
~Wayne Gretzky
I agree. Nagy isnt worth a 1st rounder either. ;) Bravo Phoenix. Nagy is younger and 'less' injury-prone, but Forsberg is by far the bigger talent.
Don't misunderstand me. If I thought the Canucks (or any team) was extremely well balance and on the verge of being a Cup favorite, and they needed just one more piece (a la Forsberg) to solidify their run, then I could swallow giving up a 1st rounder. But, unfortunately, this aint the case! A 1st rounder is just too valuable IMO to give up to get a player for 3 months at this point. If I read my GMs right, Nonis is too smart to do this as well. |
| tctitans |
Posted - 02/14/2007 : 13:53:04
quote:
Originally posted by Guest8346
quote:
Originally posted by tctitans
As a true die-hard Canuck fan.. All I can say is that Nonis would
have to be braindead to give up one 1st round pick for ANY
rent-a-player.
A 1st round pick aint chopped liver people!
You should ask Hurricanes fans if they mind that the team gave up their 2006 1st rounder for Doug Weight...
And i'm sure they do mind. 23 games, 3 goals, and a -3 in the playoff run. |
| Canucks Man |
Posted - 02/14/2007 : 13:28:58
Im not a Forsberg fan, but i first round pick is a good price for him
CANUCKS RULE!! |
| Guest8346 |
Posted - 02/14/2007 : 12:19:29
Seriously, I almost spit up my lunch when I read that insinuation!
I'm not a Vancouver fan myself, but I'm Canadian. Would love to see the 'Nucks field a couple potent lines for once. Foppa and Naslund would light it up along with the Sedins.
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| Ryan Harper |
Posted - 02/14/2007 : 12:13:42
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Originally posted by Guest8346
Absolutely. Whatever gets you the Cup is what you have to do. Obviously you don't sell the whole farm, but Forsberg is a marquis player when he's healthy, and he's dynamite in the playoffs. No doubt he's an injury risk, but sometimes you have to take that chance.
And did someone on the first page of this post actually suggest that Bondra is more valuable than Forsberg?? Stop smoking crack people.
I found that one quite funny as well.
"Some people skate to the puck. I skate to where the puck is going to be."
~Wayne Gretzky
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| Guest8346 |
Posted - 02/14/2007 : 12:12:48
Absolutely. Whatever gets you the Cup is what you have to do. Obviously you don't sell the whole farm, but Forsberg is a marquis player when he's healthy, and he's dynamite in the playoffs. No doubt he's an injury risk, but sometimes you have to take that chance.
And did someone on the first page of this post actually suggest that Bondra is more valuable than Forsberg?? Stop smoking crack people. |
| Ryan Harper |
Posted - 02/14/2007 : 12:05:49
quote:
Originally posted by tctitans
As a true die-hard Canuck fan.. All I can say is that Nonis would
have to be braindead to give up one 1st round pick for ANY
rent-a-player.
A 1st round pick aint chopped liver people!
Always good to welcome another die hard Canucks fan to the forum. I do disagree and think that if Nagy is worth a first rounder then so is Forsberg.
"Some people skate to the puck. I skate to where the puck is going to be."
~Wayne Gretzky
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| Ryan Harper |
Posted - 02/14/2007 : 12:03:47
quote:
Originally posted by Guest8346
quote:
Originally posted by tctitans
As a true die-hard Canuck fan.. All I can say is that Nonis would
have to be braindead to give up one 1st round pick for ANY
rent-a-player.
A 1st round pick aint chopped liver people!
You should ask Hurricanes fans if they mind that the team gave up their 2006 1st rounder for Doug Weight...
You make a good point. I would give up 10 1st round picks for a cup. Its all about rolling the dice. Forsberg for a first round pick is a no brainer. But the asking price right now is very high.
"Some people skate to the puck. I skate to where the puck is going to be."
~Wayne Gretzky
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| Ryan Harper |
Posted - 02/14/2007 : 12:01:11
quote:
Originally posted by Guest2897
I think one thing you Canucks fan have to consider is that with the new rules in the NHL, it is nearly impossible to build a team on young prospects now. Unfortunately the new rules only allow a player 7 years on a team b4 a move is almost guaranteed. This season, the Canucks have a team that is surprisingly winning a large number of games. Why is that? 1 reason...Roberto Luongo. This guy has stood on his head all season. The canucks have an outstanding line in Henrik and Daniel Sedin, and whoever they feel like sticking on Henrik's other wing. They are sitting on a decent 2nd line with Naslund and Morrison, but the 2 of them just can't seem to find the connection they once had. If the Canucks were to bundle morrison and a 1st rounder, or maybe morrison, a prospect, and a 2nd or 3rd rounder, picking up a player like Forsberg would be completely beneficial. I don't know if you saw the numbers Forsberg and Naslund put up in their Swedish league together during the lockout, but there is a reason that in the season after the lockout, Forsberg said he would sign with no team unless it was with Markus Naslund. To rent him for the rest of the season would give the Canucks 2 explosive lines, an outstanding 2 lines on the defensive side of things, and a backing in net that is easily enough to take a team the distance. Just a reminder that in the playoffs, 2 great lines, 1 great defensive pairing, and a goaltender is what wins a team a cup. To have all that including an additional outstanding de-line would be pretty unstoppable. I say good on them if they go after Forsberg. Lets just pray he stays healthy. The new NHL is about taking risks, so I personally hope they have the decency to take this one.
Nearly impossible to build a team on young prospects? Cmon man look at Nashville. They are a team built through the draft. I see what you mean about the 7 year thing but given the parody in this league and the ability for all teams to compete equally for Free Agents, it is imperative that a team drafts well and builds from within. Anaheim is another example. Look at its young talent.
I agree that Morrison and a first rounder would be a good move if they could get the Flyers to go for it. But that is unfortunately not enough to land a guy like Forsberg. Moving Morrison makes sense because he has another year left at 3.2 million and who wants to acquire a mediocre, minus, 2nd line center carrying that kind of salary?
Unfortunately it will take somthing like Scheider/Bourdon and two early picks. The Canucks have three 2nd rounders and one 1st rounder. But what happens if the Canucks bow out in the first round with Forsberg? Then they are out a blue chip goalie/D man and 2 prospects.
I think that they need to do somthing to bolster the lineup, especially with Luongo leading the charge. Forsberg is a double risk: injury and losing him as a UFA. I would go for a guy like Tkachuk/Guerin. If you can get one of them for a second round pick that would be great for a rental player. I think they will command at least a 1st rounder.
"Some people skate to the puck. I skate to where the puck is going to be."
~Wayne Gretzky
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| Guest8346 |
Posted - 02/14/2007 : 11:56:52
quote:
Originally posted by tctitans
As a true die-hard Canuck fan.. All I can say is that Nonis would
have to be braindead to give up one 1st round pick for ANY
rent-a-player.
A 1st round pick aint chopped liver people!
You should ask Hurricanes fans if they mind that the team gave up their 2006 1st rounder for Doug Weight... |
| Guest2897 |
Posted - 02/14/2007 : 11:38:45
I think one thing you Canucks fan have to consider is that with the new rules in the NHL, it is nearly impossible to build a team on young prospects now. Unfortunately the new rules only allow a player 7 years on a team b4 a move is almost guaranteed. This season, the Canucks have a team that is surprisingly winning a large number of games. Why is that? 1 reason...Roberto Luongo. This guy has stood on his head all season. The canucks have an outstanding line in Henrik and Daniel Sedin, and whoever they feel like sticking on Henrik's other wing. They are sitting on a decent 2nd line with Naslund and Morrison, but the 2 of them just can't seem to find the connection they once had. If the Canucks were to bundle morrison and a 1st rounder, or maybe morrison, a prospect, and a 2nd or 3rd rounder, picking up a player like Forsberg would be completely beneficial. I don't know if you saw the numbers Forsberg and Naslund put up in their Swedish league together during the lockout, but there is a reason that in the season after the lockout, Forsberg said he would sign with no team unless it was with Markus Naslund. To rent him for the rest of the season would give the Canucks 2 explosive lines, an outstanding 2 lines on the defensive side of things, and a backing in net that is easily enough to take a team the distance. Just a reminder that in the playoffs, 2 great lines, 1 great defensive pairing, and a goaltender is what wins a team a cup. To have all that including an additional outstanding de-line would be pretty unstoppable. I say good on them if they go after Forsberg. Lets just pray he stays healthy. The new NHL is about taking risks, so I personally hope they have the decency to take this one. |
| tctitans |
Posted - 02/14/2007 : 11:12:54
As a true die-hard Canuck fan.. All I can say is that Nonis would
have to be braindead to give up one 1st round pick for ANY
rent-a-player.
A 1st round pick aint chopped liver people! |
| Ryan Harper |
Posted - 02/14/2007 : 10:26:34
I am hearing that Forsberg has narrowed it down to 4 teams:
Anaheim
Nashville
Detroit
Vancouver
We know the asking price is rumored to be a couple of high picks and a prospect. Here is what might be on the table:
Anaheim - Bobby Ryan and 2 first round picks. I think it is too much and Anaheim is probably offering up Bryzgalov and a 1st round pick. That deal seems more doable.
Nashville - Radulov and 2 first round picks. Mason is also a possibility. Nashville has the young talent to make this deal happen.
Detroit - Hudler and 2 first round picks or Williams and 1 first rounder. I cant see Forsberg going to the arch rival of the Avalanche.
Vancouver - Bourdon/Schenider and 2 first round picks. Way too much as far as this Canuck fan is concerned. If I were in Nonis' position, I would make the deal if Morrision was going the other way. Maybe Morrision, and a first round pick.
I think he will go to the Ducks. What do you guys think?
"Some people skate to the puck. I skate to where the puck is going to be."
~Wayne Gretzky
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| admin |
Posted - 02/12/2007 : 16:17:40
quote:
Originally posted by goon
Everday I read something about Forsberg it seems that there is always a new team as the front-runner to land him. What is interesting today is that I read Philly is asking two first round picks and a young prospect playing in the NHL.
To me, this is WAY too much. He is a UFA in the summer plus the fact his health is a huge question mark. It will be interesting to see what happens...
I read that as well. I agree that it is a lot but apparantley Detroit and Nashville are about the only two teams left with a) enough cap room and b) the ability to move a young prospect and some picks.
The Canucks are supposed to be on Foppa's wish list but they have cap issues and are probably not too interested in moving Bieksa, Bourdon or Schneider. Same for the Ducks as they dont really need a rental player that badly.
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| goon |
Posted - 02/12/2007 : 14:31:11
Everday I read something about Forsberg it seems that there is always a new team as the front-runner to land him. What is interesting today is that I read Philly is asking two first round picks and a young prospect playing in the NHL.
To me, this is WAY too much. He is a UFA in the summer plus the fact his health is a huge question mark. It will be interesting to see what happens... |
| portman21 |
Posted - 02/12/2007 : 13:10:49
its true nashville doesn't need him, but it couldn't hurt to have a guy like him for a playoff run.... if he stays healthy
Take care comb your hair |
| saku11 |
Posted - 02/11/2007 : 08:30:50
the habs need him the most to win the cup, but if he has the choice between habs and preds, i think h would chose the preds because he wants to win the cup and right now the preds are a good team and have anough potential to win a cup.
HABS ALL THE WAY |
| semin-rules |
Posted - 02/11/2007 : 07:50:30
quote:
Originally posted by saku11
i dont think nashville needs a forsberg. they are doing pretty good these days.
HABS ALL THE WAY
I agree with Saku...
~~~~~GO STARS~~~~~ |
| saku11 |
Posted - 02/11/2007 : 06:15:37
i dont think nashville needs a forsberg. they are doing pretty good these days.
HABS ALL THE WAY |
| portman21 |
Posted - 02/10/2007 : 22:12:56
that trade does make some sence.. philly does need to rebuild their franchise and starting with a good tender like mason seems like a good way to do it.. build a team from the back forward and hopefully start pulling out some wins for what used to be an elite standley cup contender
Take care comb your hair |
| Donald Beckett |
Posted - 01/12/2007 : 11:07:57
What about Chris Mason? Nashville seems to have one more elite goalie than needed to win a cup (although he is the ultimate insurance policy as is Biron for Buffalo)
But if Nashville got Forsberg?
"I'm not fat - I just have a sweet hockey body" ...Eric Cartman. |
| Jack Kayden 66 |
Posted - 01/12/2007 : 10:57:21
Read this morning that Montreal is one of the teams expected to be in the Forsberg hunt. For the longest time his availability has been downplayed but he is ow apparantley on the block - as he should be. The Flyers are at stage 1 of a 5 step rebuilding cycle. First step is to clear salary and accumulate picks/prospects. They may very well land the first pick at the draft which is supposed to field a decent crop of players. Add a few more picks or prospects and they could be in a decent position in a few years.
I dont think the Canucks would do it, but they have a pretty sweet goaltending prospect in Corey Schneider. The Flyers have always needed a goalie. The habs have Carey Price, but again it is unlikely they would make that trade. Especially for an injured Forsberg.
I dont think Philly will get as much as they would like for him, but it is better than nothing at all if he leaves via free agency. |
| Guest7022 |
Posted - 01/12/2007 : 10:26:23
Danis, Biron and a 3rd round pick would be worthwhile, and the Flyers might agree to that, unless someone else gets agressive, and is willing to sell the farm to get Forsberg, which I doubt.
I could also see him going to the Rangers. They seem to like picking up stars at the ends of their careers(Gretzky,Messier,Jagr, Shanahan). Or maybe Dallas. Of the teams that may be interested, I think his best shot at a cup is in Montreal . |
| Guest7022 |
Posted - 01/12/2007 : 10:17:55
quote:
Originally posted by Guest9120
I have been talking about that from the start of the year, however with Forsbergs recent injury issues I am not sure if I am comfortable seeing him in MTL unless it is for absolutly nothing. He could be a great additon or a waste of money and a pick. I would say that Gainey won't give up more than a 2nd round pick and MAYBE a farm Defenseman, Cote or Biron, even Danis might be in the mix with the play of Halak and Price coming next year. Ya that's it Danis, Biron and a 3rd round pick. Sounds fair to me.
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| Guest9120 |
Posted - 01/12/2007 : 08:21:14
I have been talking about that from the start of the year, however with Forsbergs recent injury issues I am not sure if I am comfortable seeing him in MTL unless it is for absolutly nothing. He could be a great additon or a waste of money and a pick. I would say that Gainey won't give up more than a 2nd round pick and MAYBE a farm Defenseman, Cote or Biron, even Danis might be in the mix with the play of Halak and Price coming next year. Ya that's it Danis, Biron and a 3rd round pick. Sounds fair to me. |
| Guest7022 |
Posted - 01/12/2007 : 08:03:52
Montreal is in dire need of another centre, and I think as we get closer to the playoffs, Forsberg could wind up there. Montreal would send over some draft picks. I'm not a big Forsberg fan, but if he can stay healthy, he could be the missing piece of the puzzle for Cup # 25 in Montreal |
| semin-rules |
Posted - 01/11/2007 : 15:39:06
i agree with chicago not coyotes
~~~~~GO STARS~~~~~ |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 01/11/2007 : 14:08:19
I would say that most of us a thinking that there are a number of senarios with Forsberg at the end of the year. Maybe retire, maybe go back and play in Sweden, maybe sign a one year deal with another NHL team. However, we all agree that he will not stay in Philly to the end of the year. He will be a rental player for a "bubble team" fighting for a playoff spot. I would think outside of the East. Look for a trade at the deadline for a draft pick(s) with Forsberg going to a team in the Northwest, or maybe Phoenix or Chicago.
Agree?? |
| Mikhailova |
Posted - 01/11/2007 : 14:00:48
quote:
Originally posted by Kashmire
I don't think Chicago will trade Bondra for Forseberg.
I don't think anyone would trade Bondra for Forsberg. Bondra's a great player who has reached the 500 goal platform. Forsberg isn't doing well and is prone to injury. Giving up Bondra for Forsberg would be shooting yourself in the foot. |
| Guest9735 |
Posted - 01/11/2007 : 13:42:17
actaully your right... me and pete were on the phone last night and he said he never wants to play for chicago... but serioiusly... why not!? chicago has a good building franchise, and the core of that team in a few years will be one to reckon with... so why not add forsberg to that? im not saying he will go... but i mean, over philly?! i should hope so |
| Kashmire |
Posted - 01/05/2007 : 10:38:42
I don't think Chicago will trade Bondra for Forseberg. Bondra has great chemistry with the team. Forsberg is injury prone, getting old (though so is Bondra), Chicago is full of young players like Philly. Also, I really doubt that Forsberg wants to sign with Chicago. |
