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| Guest7752 |
Posted - 01/14/2009 : 09:16:33
What a joke!!! He waited half a season to see which Canadian team has a chance of winning him the cup, and then inserts himself into 'Nucks lineup only to completely throw them off their groove!!!! Typical ex-Leaf !!!
He going to bring the black Leaf cloud with him to Vancouver! If I hired a guy in mid-season (paying him millions) with expectations of him helping me win the cup - I would NEVER allow for any excuse as to why he does not make an immediate impact. First he needs his legs to kick in, then his hands will kick in, then the points will come... well guess what - it will be too late then!!!! HAAAAAA!!!! At his salary, and with all the hipe he created, he should have come ready to PLAY and ready to WIN. What the heck did he do all this time???? Why didn't he stay in top form and practice EVERY day if he had intensions of playing in the NHL... what a loser |
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| Seventy7Fifty2 |
Posted - 05/22/2009 : 06:50:59
quote:
Originally posted by Gusteroni
How could Sundin not be in the HHOF with stats like these? NHL Totals: 1,346(GP), 564(G), 785(A), 1,349(P), 73(+/-), 1,093(PIM), 160(PP), 31(SH), 96(GW), 4,015(S), 14.0(S%). Granted he was over paid (aren't most players?) but the Canucks wanted him at the trade deadline last year (amongst other teams) and would have paid double. You cannot put all the blame on Sundin for the teams loss. They had good intentions signing him as he has 20 years NHL experience (drafted in 1989) and has now been in the NHL playoffs 10 times (8 times with the Leafs) not to mention all the years he played for Sweden. In the 92-93 season he had 114 points playing for the Nordiques and had only one year under 50 points (94-95 he had 47 point but only played in 47 games) not including this year. I think if I was trying to make a run in the playoffs and you looked around the league at who was available to sign and Sundin was available it would be a no brainer but to sign him. Anyway Sundin will be in the HHOF and yes the #13 will be raised in the ACC.
"There are only two seasons. Hockey season and not hockey season."
Of course he'll make it into the HOF... don't fret Leafs fans...
The main reason he'll make it is to pacify the Toronto population, media, and fans.
AND best of all... the HOF is IN Toronto!!!
Use common sense... more visitors!!!!!!!!! more MONEY !!!!!
Oh, and by the way, the secondary reason for him getting in, is the fact that he was indeed an average to above-average player. Lots of points, but not a GREAT enough player to make the difference on any team. He's not the missing link on ANY team to bring that team to a higher level, let alone steer a team towards a Cup! |
| Gusteroni |
Posted - 05/21/2009 : 12:12:14
How could Sundin not be in the HHOF with stats like these? NHL Totals: 1,346(GP), 564(G), 785(A), 1,349(P), 73(+/-), 1,093(PIM), 160(PP), 31(SH), 96(GW), 4,015(S), 14.0(S%). Granted he was over paid (aren't most players?) but the Canucks wanted him at the trade deadline last year (amongst other teams) and would have paid double. You cannot put all the blame on Sundin for the teams loss. They had good intentions signing him as he has 20 years NHL experience (drafted in 1989) and has now been in the NHL playoffs 10 times (8 times with the Leafs) not to mention all the years he played for Sweden. In the 92-93 season he had 114 points playing for the Nordiques and had only one year under 50 points (94-95 he had 47 point but only played in 47 games) not including this year. I think if I was trying to make a run in the playoffs and you looked around the league at who was available to sign and Sundin was available it would be a no brainer but to sign him. Anyway Sundin will be in the HHOF and yes the #13 will be raised in the ACC.
"There are only two seasons. Hockey season and not hockey season." |
| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 05/15/2009 : 08:20:23
hahaha i know
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
| Porkchop73 |
Posted - 05/15/2009 : 04:39:15
I cannot believe this is still going. |
| Guest4948 |
Posted - 05/14/2009 : 08:06:17
I'm arguably the furthest thing from a Leafs fan and do like the Canucks. Having said that, yes, he was overpaid here and that money perhaps could have been spent elsewhere but what's done is done. I give Gillis credit for trying something he thought would work.
As far as Sundin being good, bad or indifferent, i'm on side with him being considered GREAT (career wise). I don't care how much i dislike the Leafs, the guy was a fantastic player for them. To claim he couldn't make them better or put them over the top, etc, is a joke. With some of the teams he played on, Gretzky, Lemieux and Orr wouldn't have been able to "put them over the top". He did in fact make players better there help that team do as well as it did some years! No question in my mind the guy was a stud in his prime!
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| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 05/14/2009 : 07:52:51
Sorry 7752, you sounded like a jaded 'nucks fan.
Either way, why are you berating leaf fans because Vancouver signed Sundin?
Like i've said a hundred times, the guy is 38 and past his prime. Gilles should have known that Sundin was old, hadnt played in months and was coming itno a completley foreign environment.
I don't care what you say, Sundin was a great Leaf and provided many great memories for Leaf fans. I really don't care all that much how well he did in Vancouver. I would have liked to see him do well and get to the finals, but it didn't happen. Oh well, end of story.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
| Guest7752 |
Posted - 05/14/2009 : 06:42:15
quote:
Originally posted by Guest7538
Mat Sundin! Without a question a GOOD hockey player. But that is as far as it goes. I'm sorry but he is not the "key" that would take any team on the brink of a Stanley Cup to the finals. And for that matter lets go one step further. The Canucks were not a contender to begin with. Sundin went to the team that could afford him at the time. Overpriced....yes. Did he produce? No. No matter how you look at it now.....Season over for the Canucks.
Yes. Excellent summary.
That's why this whole thing is a comedy.
Millions of dollars on nothing. Stupid Management.
Over-rated player. Greedy player.
NEVER deserving of H.O.F. status.
Best of all: he said he wants to play for a Canadian team...?
Get out of here, leave your spot to a real Canadian. |
| Guest7538 |
Posted - 05/13/2009 : 13:19:15
Mat Sundin! Without a question a GOOD hockey player. But that is as far as it goes. I'm sorry but he is not the "key" that would take any team on the brink of a Stanley Cup to the finals. And for that matter lets go one step further. The Canucks were not a contender to begin with. Sundin went to the team that could afford him at the time. Overpriced....yes. Did he produce? No. No matter how you look at it now.....Season over for the Canucks. |
| Guest7752 |
Posted - 05/13/2009 : 12:40:21
quote:
Originally posted by Matt_Roberts85
Its not our fault your GM is an idiot.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
Excuse me sir... I'm not a Vancouver fan! |
| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 05/13/2009 : 12:33:37
Its not our fault your GM is an idiot.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
| Guest7752 |
Posted - 05/13/2009 : 12:17:37
quote:
Originally posted by Rambo2305
Get over it boys...
Sundin is easily one of the best ever. He carried the Leafs teams every year. To still put up 70-90 points on a team of 3rd liners, and still do deep into the playoffs, gotta tip your hats.
Also, a players value isn't just points, he is everything you look for in a leader, so get your head out of your a** and respect one of the few active, Point per game players with over 1000 games under his belt. He'll be in the HOF. #13 will be in the rafters. Canucks fans, how about you look at the dumba** penalties you took in your series with CHI and shotty D. Sundin was not the "only" reason you lost...
Sundin will always be a Leaf!...just thought I'd throw that in 
"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford
We're over it, are you (Leafs) over it?
What else did he bring to Vancouver besides a Black Leaf Cloud and his over-rated skills... Leadership?!?!?!?!
Get serious man.
He is very much respected by all hockey people, however, he is NOT a leader nor an impact player that can bring a team to a higher level.
He was important to Leafs, but couldn't bring them to next level.
He thought he could - and everyone thought he could, so he went to Vancouver thinking he will bring them to the next level.
Finally, when it was time to delvier - reality set in, and he DID NOT DELIVER what everyone "thought" he was delivering.
By the way, Leaf Fans, Mr. Burke has the exact same qualities... watch and learn in the next year or so...
HAAAAAAA!!!!! |
| Rambo2305 |
Posted - 05/12/2009 : 12:33:42
Get over it boys...
Sundin is easily one of the best ever. He carried the Leafs teams every year. To still put up 70-90 points on a team of 3rd liners, and still do deep into the playoffs, gotta tip your hats.
Also, a players value isn't just points, he is everything you look for in a leader, so get your head out of your a** and respect one of the few active, Point per game players with over 1000 games under his belt. He'll be in the HOF. #13 will be in the rafters. Canucks fans, how about you look at the dumba** penalties you took in your series with CHI and shotty D. Sundin was not the "only" reason you lost...
Sundin will always be a Leaf!...just thought I'd throw that in
"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford |
| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 05/12/2009 : 09:08:43
As soon as I read your comments in the tampa 2nd pick forum, i knew you probably jumped over here to pile on. And guess what, i was right.
No one put a gun to Gilles head... he didn't have to sign him.. the 'nucks had a pretty wicked record with him in the lineup anyways.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
| Guest7752 |
Posted - 05/12/2009 : 08:53:40
quote:
Originally posted by Guest0806
HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA
This guy is more than a comedy act... he's a farce!!!!
ZERO points, ZERO shots, ZERO EVERYTHING in the last 2 most imprtant games in Canucks year....!!!!
Where is he???
I know - he's playing hide and seek as he did his whole carreer in leaf-town...
HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA
Hold on..... i think we saw him in the canucks "last" game of the year... yep... he even scored!
Excellent contribution to the team, and well worth his millions too.
Performed as he always did on Toronto - no disappointment and nothing more or less than expected.
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| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 05/11/2009 : 06:51:35
quote:
Originally posted by Guest8606
There is no "I" in "Team", but there is an "I" in "Winner".
BTW - I've got a copyright on that.
What exactly are you getting at with that statement...?
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
| Guest8606 |
Posted - 05/10/2009 : 11:45:56
There is no "I" in "Team", but there is an "I" in "Winner".
BTW - I've got a copyright on that. |
| Guest4094 |
Posted - 05/10/2009 : 11:39:11
bourque power play time with sakic blake forsberg hejduk where he got his points. Actually i give up your right so go back to sticking a pin in your sundin voodoo doll u have to ignore his career numbers and for sure dont actually watch him play or listen to waht stupid media and ex teamate or opponents have to say about him or even what ex goalies say about him cause u know your right. Because patrick roy or broduer or hasek who have all complimented him dont know nothing or kypreos who played with messier and said mats is a great captain or naslund or forsberg or the 30 million swedes you knowwwwwwwwwwwwww
Oh yeah and how did hossa thrashers do and senators with him in the lineup oh yeah didnt make playoffs or out first rd by sundins leafs 4 str yrs dill they dumped him. And borque bruins he coulndt win with his team and jumped ship for avs. Stupid red wings also wanted him as with 10 other teams as with your penguins who sundin was their 1st choice not hossa but sundin wouldnt waive his no trade. |
| Guest4094 |
Posted - 05/10/2009 : 11:25:17
quote:
Originally posted by Guest0806
quote:
Originally posted by Guest6008
quote:
Originally posted by Guest7752
Some stats to ponder, since some forum commentators cannot think clearly or compile an opinion unless they see numbers:
The Ray Bourque rental:
> 14 points in his 14 first games at Colorado
> did that at 40 years old!!!
> did that with 14 games left in the season, and with the accumulated bumps and bruises along the way
The Marian Hossa rental:
> 10 points in his first 12 games at Pittsburg
> did that with 12 games left in the season, and with the accumulated bumps and bruises along the way
> so far, 46 points in his first 46 games at Detroit
The Sundin Rental:
> 3 points in his first 7 games with Vancouver
> Vancouver has managed a 6 game losing streak since the saviour arrived
> 38 years old
> had almost half a season to prepare and stay sharp and ready
> came in fresh, no injuries, no bruises....
gee.... why does one trash talk Sundin?
I understand a lot of bitter leaf fans but post a valid point bourge played whole year not just 14 games as with hossa. And hossa is what 26 havent seen one valid point wait until playoffs or until he gets his legs and hds. I do think sudin is overated but supporters are making valid pts he was close to a point game with really bad players. But in same breath leafs finished with what two less points than last yr.He makes an average team with a great goaltender better.Van isnt as good as you think without luongo they are out of the playoffs they have limited offence also check out sundins ice time vs hossa. And shake your head bourque first line power play wtih blake forsberg sakic hejduk .Hossa first line power play with crosby malkin gonchar whitney. Now sundin second line no power play with burrows raymond or next call up from minors
What the heck are you saying?
The comparison above which i believe you're trying to tear down - is clearly showing who much of an immediate impact each of the three players made in the first dozen or so games.
Key words to remember; "immediate" & "first" few games.
I think you're comparing carreers...??
Why do you think Sudin is not getting ice time, and playing on waeker lines?...
HE DOES NOT DELIVER THE GOODS!!!!!
HE CANNOT DELIVER THE GOODS!!!!
Never did.
Always was over-rated by stupid Toronto media and fans.
thought it was simple bourque and hossa played 82 games not 14 simple enough plus preseason then playoffs plus quality of players they each played with i would get 5 points on apower play unit of hossa malkin gonchar read the post |
| Guest0806 |
Posted - 05/09/2009 : 12:16:21
quote:
Originally posted by Guest6008
quote:
Originally posted by Guest7752
Some stats to ponder, since some forum commentators cannot think clearly or compile an opinion unless they see numbers:
The Ray Bourque rental:
> 14 points in his 14 first games at Colorado
> did that at 40 years old!!!
> did that with 14 games left in the season, and with the accumulated bumps and bruises along the way
The Marian Hossa rental:
> 10 points in his first 12 games at Pittsburg
> did that with 12 games left in the season, and with the accumulated bumps and bruises along the way
> so far, 46 points in his first 46 games at Detroit
The Sundin Rental:
> 3 points in his first 7 games with Vancouver
> Vancouver has managed a 6 game losing streak since the saviour arrived
> 38 years old
> had almost half a season to prepare and stay sharp and ready
> came in fresh, no injuries, no bruises....
gee.... why does one trash talk Sundin?
I understand a lot of bitter leaf fans but post a valid point bourge played whole year not just 14 games as with hossa. And hossa is what 26 havent seen one valid point wait until playoffs or until he gets his legs and hds. I do think sudin is overated but supporters are making valid pts he was close to a point game with really bad players. But in same breath leafs finished with what two less points than last yr.He makes an average team with a great goaltender better.Van isnt as good as you think without luongo they are out of the playoffs they have limited offence also check out sundins ice time vs hossa. And shake your head bourque first line power play wtih blake forsberg sakic hejduk .Hossa first line power play with crosby malkin gonchar whitney. Now sundin second line no power play with burrows raymond or next call up from minors
What the heck are you saying?
The comparison above which i believe you're trying to tear down - is clearly showing who much of an immediate impact each of the three players made in the first dozen or so games.
Key words to remember; "immediate" & "first" few games.
I think you're comparing carreers...??
Why do you think Sudin is not getting ice time, and playing on waeker lines?...
HE DOES NOT DELIVER THE GOODS!!!!!
HE CANNOT DELIVER THE GOODS!!!!
Never did.
Always was over-rated by stupid Toronto media and fans. |
| Guest6008 |
Posted - 05/09/2009 : 07:51:35
quote:
Originally posted by Guest7752
Some stats to ponder, since some forum commentators cannot think clearly or compile an opinion unless they see numbers:
The Ray Bourque rental:
> 14 points in his 14 first games at Colorado
> did that at 40 years old!!!
> did that with 14 games left in the season, and with the accumulated bumps and bruises along the way
The Marian Hossa rental:
> 10 points in his first 12 games at Pittsburg
> did that with 12 games left in the season, and with the accumulated bumps and bruises along the way
> so far, 46 points in his first 46 games at Detroit
The Sundin Rental:
> 3 points in his first 7 games with Vancouver
> Vancouver has managed a 6 game losing streak since the saviour arrived
> 38 years old
> had almost half a season to prepare and stay sharp and ready
> came in fresh, no injuries, no bruises....
gee.... why does one trash talk Sundin?
I understand a lot of bitter leaf fans but post a valid point bourge played whole year not just 14 games as with hossa. And hossa is what 26 havent seen one valid point wait until playoffs or until he gets his legs and hds. I do think sudin is overated but supporters are making valid pts he was close to a point game with really bad players. But in same breath leafs finished with what two less points than last yr.He makes an average team with a great goaltender better.Van isnt as good as you think without luongo they are out of the playoffs they have limited offence also check out sundins ice time vs hossa. And shake your head bourque first line power play wtih blake forsberg sakic hejduk .Hossa first line power play with crosby malkin gonchar whitney. Now sundin second line no power play with burrows raymond or next call up from minors |
| Guest0806 |
Posted - 05/09/2009 : 07:12:44
HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA
This guy is more than a comedy act... he's a farce!!!!
ZERO points, ZERO shots, ZERO EVERYTHING in the last 2 most imprtant games in Canucks year....!!!!
Where is he???
I know - he's playing hide and seek as he did his whole carreer in leaf-town...
HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA |
| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 03/23/2009 : 09:01:32
quote:
Originally posted by Guest7161
.......Still laughing at this comedy........
Where is he now that his hands, legs, balls, and whatever else he couldn't find are back?
When the going gets tough - he runs the other way and let's good players like Burrows, and others go win the games...
Sundin shows up when the team's already winning and gets his points after the other team's given up.
What an embarassment for Vancouver mangement, and what a confirmation of how stupid Toronto management / media was for adoring this "average" player.
The guy is 38... jesus. You cannot deny that when Sundin was in his prime he was a badass hockey player. He almost had 80 points last year. How is that average? Or embarassing? So things may not have turned out quite the way the media or the canucks have expected, but at least the team is winning! Hes not the captain or the first line centre. I think he is doing fine, wait untill the playoffs than judge the signing. Thats why the got him anyways, for depth come playoff time.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
| Guest0474 |
Posted - 03/22/2009 : 15:47:05
The canucks are 5th in the conference and Sundin's scoring rate is 5th best on the team, not to mention the fact that Sundin was not in game shape.
The only people laughing are the Vancouver Canucks. Ha Ha! |
| Guest7161 |
Posted - 03/22/2009 : 07:22:15
.......Still laughing at this comedy........
Where is he now that his hands, legs, balls, and whatever else he couldn't find are back?
When the going gets tough - he runs the other way and let's good players like Burrows, and others go win the games...
Sundin shows up when the team's already winning and gets his points after the other team's given up.
What an embarassment for Vancouver mangement, and what a confirmation of how stupid Toronto management / media was for adoring this "average" player. |
| leigh |
Posted - 02/25/2009 : 14:39:03
quote:
Originally posted by Guest7752
...So he scored on a shoot-out?!?! Big deal?!!?...
Well at least you're finally admitting that Sundin won them a game. That is the first step in the 12 step process. Good job man, be proud. What's step two? Apologies? No need dude, I forgive you.
quote:
Originally posted by Guest7752
How many games did Sundin win for canucks with his leadership?
ZERO !!!!
Last time I checked he wasn't wearing a letter on his jersey. Leadership will also come in time.
One thing you need to consider is that Mats brings an additional "threat" to the Canucks line up. He's a legitimate point threat that other teams have to account for. So this means that they have to cover at least 2 FULL lines on the Canucks, not 1. This contributes to their success.
Give him 6 more games (25 total) to get into full shape and build some more chemistry with linemates then you can start bitching if his numbers are bad.
As for Luongo...best goalie in the league and he is a factor almost every night for the Canucks! But all this means is that they are even better than the average team now with Sundin, Luongo and Salo back in their lineup. |
| Thrasher |
Posted - 02/25/2009 : 14:03:56
Just curious, what would Sundin have to do to win your respect? Is it too late in his career? I don't understand how you can argue that he hasn't picked up his play of late, getting his hands and legs back, just like everyone predicted. Your anti Sundin crusade perhaps losing speed? Why should Sundin not get credit for helping his team win, when he was blamed for them losing. Last night, Vancouver was shut out by Montreal after i think doubling them in shots. Maybe im wrong but the point is, im guessing that is his fault as well? Luongo i think faced around 20 shots and let in three goals. Don`t get me wrong everyone is allowed to have a bad game or two in a season, but please don`t say that this loss was all his fault. The Canucks are one of the hottest teams in hockey, and Sundin has a part to play in that.
Im not a Sundin fan, like i ahve said, and im not replying on emotion. I don`t like the Leafs (but i also don`t understand why everyone hates them so much...), so im not a angry leaf fan yelling. I`m just curious to know what he would have to do before you can accept he was a good pick up. |
| Guest7752 |
Posted - 02/25/2009 : 08:14:08
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
C'mon, it's just rediculous. And you ask where he is when his team needs him?? Hmm. I wonder who it was icing the game in Toronto on Saturday night in the shoot out????
Who was that guy again???? Can't recall exactly but man was he ever an over-rated,career PPG, highest score Leaf in history loser. And what a bunch of losers at the ACC actually cheering for such a tool after he scored to beat their team.
That's what i meant when when i asked where is this guy when you need him?
So he scored on a shoot-out?!?! Big deal?!!?
So does A. Markov once in a while... does that make HIM a scoring machine?
How many games did Sundin win for canucks with his leadership?
ZERO !!!!
The losers at ACC are so desperate to cheer for ANYTHING, they will even cheer for losing the games, AND are even now thinking that Antropov and Blake will lead them to the playoffs, and then who knows, anything's possible?? Wake up leaf fans.... |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 02/25/2009 : 07:54:56
I think this might be a case of someone watching a difference NHL than the rest of us. The Canucks are 8-2-0 in their last 10 games and have taken at least a point in 11 of their last 13 games. It takes more than a goalie to do that. Sundin has 9 points in those 10 games.
And you can't pick some games to not include in looking at Sundin but leave in others. That would be like saying the first game he played this year doesn't count because he wasn't ready, you can't count Minnesota because they are a good defensive team, and you can't count Toronto because they did an emotional video of him.
That means he has 12 points in 16 games!!!
C'mon, it's just rediculous. And you ask where he is when his team needs him?? Hmm. I wonder who it was icing the game in Toronto on Saturday night in the shoot out????
Who was that guy again???? Can't recall exactly but man was he ever an over-rated,career PPG, highest score Leaf in history loser. And what a bunch of losers at the ACC actually cheering for such a tool after he scored to beat their team.
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| Guest7752 |
Posted - 02/25/2009 : 07:29:43
Well, let me provide an update to all you "experts" who still cannot see the comedy with this guy.
He's now played just about 2 months with this team, actually 19 games.
I think we can all agree that his "hands" and "legs" are in top form now?
No more excuses?
Anyway, has has:
12 points in his 19 games!!!! (outstanding, isn't it?..... or is it really??)
"7" of these 12 points came in three games (CAR-CHI-STL).
Take away this magical 3-games performance, and instread of 12 points in 19 games, he's got:
5 points in 16 games!!!!
Where is he when the team needs him?
He only shows up when the "TEAM" is beating up on weaker opponents.
What a loser... typical ex-leaf.... typical over-rated-by-leaf-fans player...
The only rason canucks are where they are is because of Luongo.
Maybe Sundin needs time off like Kovalev to "think" about the reality of his star-worthy-ness??
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| Guest7752 |
Posted - 02/18/2009 : 08:05:21
where was sundin in yesterday's very important game?
crunch time comes around... luongo shines.... Sundin disappears!!
heck of leader that mr sundin, eh??!?!
by the way, please read my trash talking properly... and don't react based on your emotions girls. if you read things correctly, in summary i said he was a decent player, and over-rated simply based on the fact that Toronto fans were starving for a hero. He waits half a season to see whre he can go win a cup. so now that he's in vancouver - he doesn't really come out looking as the leader this team was looking towards to bring them to the CUP... (not the playoffs... they can do that on their own). pretty funny... i guess he's realizing he needs to work his a** off when it comes to reaching the cup. (whihc he never had to really do in Toronto)
and yes... he is getting points in vancouver.. but look at how he's accumulating them!!! (against st. louis!?) NEVER did he emerge as a leader and go get the crucial win for vancouver. he can't!... he does not have it in him!!! it only "looked like" he had it in him in Toronto becuase they are a weaker team.
and gentlemen, please keep the trash talking to hockey or player related issues... your personal attacks towards me only make you leafs fans look worse |
| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 02/17/2009 : 13:16:31
guest 7752: You make this all sound like a giant conspiracy that Mats has been planning and executing all these years. First, he secretly tricks the fans of toronto into thinking he is a really good player, yet the rest of the fans across the league really know the truth! Mats actually sucks!
Now that he has gone to Vancouver, we can all see him for what he really is! A greedy, team destroying parasite, that has absolutley no soul whatsoever!
Yea man, good thing Leaf fans have guys like you around to let them know whats good. Did you feel this way once Gilmour went to New Jersey?
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
| Guest6824 |
Posted - 02/17/2009 : 13:09:24
quote:
Originally posted by Guest7752
For the recent "wining" record... could it be the fact that Luongo is starting to get back to his form??? PLEASE - do not give credit for this recent good team play to Sundin!!!!
Give it to the defensive core and Luongo, AND finally to the "other" players on the RPM line.
So it was all Mats' fault when the team was doing poorly, but now he doesn't deserve any credit when the team does well...... I think that says enough about your arguement against Sundin. You are just completley biased.
BTW, when Sundin wasn't playing well in Toronto, it was all over the radio shows and newspapers. People critizied the s*** out of him when he was here, from day 1 to his last day. So I'm not quite sure why you sound so confident when you talk about Sundin's career with the Leafs. If you aren't living in Toronto and following the team, than your second hand information is probably going to be anti-leaf spew.
We all know that atheletes who play in Toronto get more attention across Canada but that doesn't mean we think that they walk on water. We supported our team captain, for better or for worse (most of us least...) and if you think that is such a sacriligious thing, than go ahead and do so. I'm just saying, I think you are blowing all your views on Sundin and Toronto way out of proportion.... |
| Guest4803 |
Posted - 02/17/2009 : 09:36:43
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Originally posted by Guest7752
For the recent "wining" record... could it be the fact that Luongo is starting to get back to his form??? PLEASE - do not give credit for this recent good team play to Sundin!!!!
Give it to the defensive core and Luongo, AND finally to the "other" players on the RPM line.
Luongo has had one good game out of the last 6 gand that was against montreal... other than that he was avg probably 4 or 5 goals allowed recently....the offense had been carrying the team before that and im pretty sure the rpm line had 22 pts in 3 games......so i wouldnt give luo to much credit. |
| Guest7752 |
Posted - 02/16/2009 : 10:19:02
of course he's going to produce more and more - he HAS to and maybe you did not notice, but he only started to produce once they found GOOD players to players to play him with.
Claude Lemieux would look good and "start producing" if he was put on this "RPM" line!!!
Get real man!!
Sundin will "produce" just enough to get into the playoffs so he can choke like he always did.
history proves it.
he's NOT the leader they think they have to bring them far in the playoffs.
For the recent "wining" record... could it be the fact that Luongo is starting to get back to his form??? PLEASE - do not give credit for this recent good team play to Sundin!!!!
Give it to the defensive core and Luongo, AND finally to the "other" players on the RPM line. |
| leigh |
Posted - 02/16/2009 : 10:08:29
quote:
Originally posted by Guest7161
WOW !!!!! look at all the points sundin can get versus st. louis!!!!
AMAZING!!!!!
Where the heck is he when it counts!!!
oh yeah... usualy he's in the penalty box when his team needs a leader!!
What has he done since that amzing feat against st.louis??
oh yeah.... nothing!!!!
what are vancouver doing lately, in the past 10 games.... ?
oh yeah.... 4-3-3... that'll be enough to win a cup, with special thanks to Sundin.
c'mon leaf fans... let him go.... start looking reality in the eyes and face the truth.... OVER-RATED !!! Say it a few times, it won't hurt...
This post is proof positive that you are not being objective. You can choose not to like him for whatever reason you want, it's your call, but you can't deny that he's been a great player throughout his career. As I've said, Sundin needed to get his legs under him and his timing back before he could contribute to the Canucks. Well in the last 6 games he has 8 points! Obviously he is starting to produce for them, and since he's been producing they have won 5 out of the last 6. The Canucks are now back in playoff contention AND Sundin's only going to get better down the stretch!
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| Guest7752 |
Posted - 02/16/2009 : 07:39:45
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Originally posted by Beans15
I have to be blasphemous for a second here. I think the bible got is all wrong. Well, not all of it, just the part of all the action happening in Israel. It had to happen in Toronto!!
Why???
It seems like the only place on earth where a guy can walk on water!!
Kind of like Mats Sundin did for over a decade. Since he left Toronto, he does the exact same thing but no longer has the ability to be held in such a regard of biblical proportions.
Isn't that wierd??? If a person would have posted 12 months ago that Sundin was such a hack, over rated, and a total bag of pucks, they would have been mutilated.
What a difference a different colored jersey can make.
He was ALWAYS over-rated.
He was ALWAYS held in such high regard... ONLY by LEAF FANS. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 02/15/2009 : 14:59:59
I have to be blasphemous for a second here. I think the bible got is all wrong. Well, not all of it, just the part of all the action happening in Israel. It had to happen in Toronto!!
Why???
It seems like the only place on earth where a guy can walk on water!!
Kind of like Mats Sundin did for over a decade. Since he left Toronto, he does the exact same thing but no longer has the ability to be held in such a regard of biblical proportions.
Isn't that wierd??? If a person would have posted 12 months ago that Sundin was such a hack, over rated, and a total bag of pucks, they would have been mutilated.
What a difference a different colored jersey can make.
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| Guest7161 |
Posted - 02/15/2009 : 14:43:14
WOW !!!!! look at all the points sundin can get versus st. louis!!!!
AMAZING!!!!!
Where the heck is he when it counts!!!
oh yeah... usualy he's in the penalty box when his team needs a leader!!
What has he done since that amzing feat against st.louis??
oh yeah.... nothing!!!!
what are vancouver doing lately, in the past 10 games.... ?
oh yeah.... 4-3-3... that'll be enough to win a cup, with special thanks to Sundin.
c'mon leaf fans... let him go.... start looking reality in the eyes and face the truth.... OVER-RATED !!! Say it a few times, it won't hurt... |
| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 02/12/2009 : 07:22:41
Can you imagine if the leafs say, were the 28th highest grossing team in the NHL? Everyone would say "those idiots at MLSE cant even make money with the market they have there in Toronto. they should fire those clowns and bring in some people who know how to maxamize the market" Instead its "all they care about is money, they make more than any other team in the league, so that must mean thats all they care about".
(The following is pure sarcasm)
Everyone knows that Brian Burke doesn't really want to win a stanley cup in toronto. JFJ, do you really think he wanted his club to make the playoffs? get real. He just wanted a paycheck. Pat Quinn, he could care less about winning, as long as the dough was rolling in.
This whole talk about how Toronto only cares about money and not winning, has got to stop. There is a difference between not knowing how to win and not wanting to. Someone has to make the most money, it just happens to be Toronto.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 02/12/2009 : 07:14:31
Doesn't every team try to 'brainwash' their fans into becoming FANS. How is supporting and cheering for the Leafs any different than cheering and supporting say... the new york rangers? Oh, i must have forgot that the leafs are the only pro sports team that like to make money as well. Get a frickin clue.
Also, Sundin has been a WAY better player throughout his career than Saku Koivu. I think Mats has hall of fame numbers and a Gold medal to boot, but I think the fact that so many people hate the leafs and now mats, that they will not want him in the hall. Stanley Cup or not, he has had a pretty impressive career.
Hey Mr.Guest, did you enjoy that 2 goal performance by Mats against the blues the other night? What a dog eh?
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
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