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| Leafsfan_94 |
Posted - 03/21/2008 : 18:36:54
we all know justin pogge is the goalie of the future. in my opinion i think he will be the best in the league some day. but do you think the leafs will be smart enough to leave him be and do not trade him or what do you think they will do with him. or how do you think he'll do playing the Leaf Nation?
any thoughts, id like to know i ma die hard pogge fan i try to see as many marlie games as possible
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| hanley6 |
Posted - 12/28/2008 : 17:16:16
Price has not impressed me. Steve Mason on the other hand has proven him greats skills. Toronto should try trade Toskala for either Mike Smith or Steve Mason. Leave Pogge in the Miners and use either one of these two goalies as number 1 and Cujo as backup and the Leafs would be a much stronger team |
| hanley6 |
Posted - 12/28/2008 : 17:06:56
Pogge is not that good to be the future of Toronto Maple Leafs, maybe the Marlies but that's it. Pogge has a very bad attitude like Ray Emery and the Leafs dont need an idiot like him |
| Porkchop73 |
Posted - 11/21/2008 : 13:08:44
I think the only mistakes leafs management has made (in regards to Pogge) is that they let go Steve McKichan as goalie coach. He is known as a better coach then Corey Hirsch. Also letting Pogge ride the pine during the Marlies playoff run was a huge mistake. We might see Pogge with the big club sooner than you think. Toskala makes great trade bait, great price and only 2 yrs left on his contract. With the leafs rebuilding and Pogge playing the lions share of games with the Marlies, he could prove ready for the jump to the bigs and it could happen later this year. |
| fat_elvis_rocked |
Posted - 11/21/2008 : 11:54:03
I just went and checked Pogge's age...he's 22, I have my pair of Bauer 2000's in my garage that are 3 years older than that ....I still think the Leafs are doing the right thing.
There is absolutely no hurry to get this young man into the NHL until such a time as they have a solid team up front. Then let him show if he can be a star or a bust on his own merit, and not the fallacies of an overhauled team. Cujo and Toskala, are proven netminders, again perfect to let a team rebuild their core with. |
| Leafsfan_94 |
Posted - 11/20/2008 : 16:19:38
they have been saying that for the least 2 years. oh lets keep him down in the minors.he wants to be in the nhl. toskala is sucking as of late. CuJo is washed up. let pogge have some games in the nhl. put CuJo in the minors. he can be a good mentor for some of the marlies goaltenders. i mean the habs did the same thing with price did they not?and hes doing fine in montreal.i do agree that he is getting a good amount of ice time in the AHL, but he needs some NHL playing Time. i mean the leafs hadnt been playing THAT bad lately and im sure they'll play good infront of pogge. i mean there even playing good infront of toskala, but he's letting in garbage goals all the time. i dont really want them to rush him either, like the habs are doing with price, which i think is stupid but thats carbo's choice. but he needs to get more NHL ice time sometime, and in the pre-season he played better than CuJo and toskala all around statistically.
say what you want about my opinion but pogge cant be a minor league goalie forever.
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Originally posted by fat_elvis_rocked
I actually think Leaf's management is doing the right thing by not pushing Pogge into the NHL yet. They are rebuilding, and nothing would/could damage a young goalie's development more than putting him into a pressure situation without a team to help him develop. While doing okay this year, the Leafs are rebuilding, and keeping the stability in net with veterans in goal is a good thing in my opinion. How much more pressure would Schenn and the rest of the young guys feel, without the knowledge of a proven NHL level netminder in the pipes?
Another year in the A isn't hurting Pogge, and if anything, if he continues to win at that level, it can only help his confidence when the time comes to move up. To compare starting Price with last year's Habs team, to letting Pogge start with last year's, or even this year's version of the Leafs, is a stretch at best. The Habs have done their rebuilding and are now looking at maintaining and improving. The Leafs are still rebuilding, and nothing could hurt the process more than psychologically ruining a top prospect at the goalie postion.
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| fat_elvis_rocked |
Posted - 11/20/2008 : 14:22:15
I actually think Leaf's management is doing the right thing by not pushing Pogge into the NHL yet. They are rebuilding, and nothing would/could damage a young goalie's development more than putting him into a pressure situation without a team to help him develop. While doing okay this year, the Leafs are rebuilding, and keeping the stability in net with veterans in goal is a good thing in my opinion. How much more pressure would Schenn and the rest of the young guys feel, without the knowledge of a proven NHL level netminder in the pipes?
Another year in the A isn't hurting Pogge, and if anything, if he continues to win at that level, it can only help his confidence when the time comes to move up. To compare starting Price with last year's Habs team, to letting Pogge start with last year's, or even this year's version of the Leafs, is a stretch at best. The Habs have done their rebuilding and are now looking at maintaining and improving. The Leafs are still rebuilding, and nothing could hurt the process more than psychologically ruining a top prospect at the goalie postion.
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| Leafsfan_94 |
Posted - 11/18/2008 : 19:30:44
i agree. if they were to bring pogge up now, price might still do better because of his nhl experience. i dont know, i kind of wanted to stop this pogge vs price thing, and stay on pogge's future. because like someone said considering there in different leagues its a little undebateable
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Originally posted by Beans15
Here is the thing, In my humble opinion. Price vs Pogge is no contest today. Price has proven to be a very good NHL goalie. Pooge can't even get a back up job over a 42 year old man. Today.
That being said, this would be more relevant in 5 years. Maybe then Pogge with have some NHL experience and this would be a more reasonable question.
Ultimately, a goalie is the position that is the most 'what have you done for me lately.' Price just wins hockey games, Pogge just fills TO media with Hope.
I would chose the wins over the hope any day. Victory to Price today. We'll have round 2 in a few years.
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| Beans15 |
Posted - 11/18/2008 : 18:44:26
Here is the thing, In my humble opinion. Price vs Pogge is no contest today. Price has proven to be a very good NHL goalie. Pooge can't even get a back up job over a 42 year old man. Today.
That being said, this would be more relevant in 5 years. Maybe then Pogge with have some NHL experience and this would be a more reasonable question.
Ultimately, a goalie is the position that is the most 'what have you done for me lately.' Price just wins hockey games, Pogge just fills TO media with Hope.
I would chose the wins over the hope any day. Victory to Price today. We'll have round 2 in a few years. |
| Leafsfan_94 |
Posted - 11/18/2008 : 18:27:15
nevermind admin lol, im talking about all around through all the posts on this topic not recent
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Originally posted by Leafsfan_94
your right admin. sorry i even mentioned it. i just wanted to lock it because people are commenting on it cause they think im stupid, not that they want to talk about it. but whatever its your call.
to be clear the some of the guests said that you were "biased". But you called one of them "dumb" 
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| admin |
Posted - 11/18/2008 : 17:49:44
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Originally posted by Leafsfan_94
your right admin. sorry i even mentioned it. i just wanted to lock it because people are commenting on it cause they think im stupid, not that they want to talk about it. but whatever its your call.
to be clear the some of the guests said that you were "biased". But you called one of them "dumb"
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| Leafsfan_94 |
Posted - 11/18/2008 : 17:30:47
your right admin. sorry i even mentioned it. i just wanted to lock it because people are commenting on it cause they think im stupid, not that they want to talk about it.
but whatever its your call.
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Originally posted by Leafsfan_94
....actually. why dont we get a moderator or an admin to lock this topic because its impossible to tell whos better yet because price in the the NHL and pogge is in the AHL....
No need to lock it. It's your call if you want to participate, but many are finding this a worthwhile debate. That's the beauty of forum threads, they die when they want to.
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| Guest9464 |
Posted - 11/18/2008 : 16:48:25
leafsfan101 - What are you talking about???? When has the wants and voicing of leaf fans ever made a difference in the way their prospects are handled???? Veterans for sure. There is a long line of them but management pisses away prospects all the time no matter who they are.
Having said that, this time they'll keep him. The plan has been in the works since Ferguson made his only good move and brought in Tosk for the short haul. He's only got a couple more years with the Leafs.
Hey maybe if Spezza can hold out for that long we can send Tosk to Ottawa for him. LOL |
| admin |
Posted - 11/18/2008 : 14:26:11
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Originally posted by Leafsfan_94
....actually. why dont we get a moderator or an admin to lock this topic because its impossible to tell whos better yet because price in the the NHL and pogge is in the AHL....
No need to lock it. It's your call if you want to participate, but many are finding this a worthwhile debate. That's the beauty of forum threads, they die when they want to. |
| Leafsfan_94 |
Posted - 11/18/2008 : 12:33:32
guys i already said that i dont know whos better pogge or price. but the dumb guests and now calling me biased and saying i think pogge is 100% better. i couldnt care less. when he gets brought up we'll see whos better. for now how about you guys just start talking about who you think is better and why. actually. why dont we get a moderator or an admin to lock this topic because its impossible to tell whos better yet because price in the the NHL and pogge is in the AHL.
its pointless. and this topic was called pogges future with the leafs. not whos better pogge or price. i admit i brought the pogge vs price thing up but like someone said were debating on something thats undebatable so lets leave it.
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| J-Dog |
Posted - 11/18/2008 : 07:53:14
You guys are debating something almost undebatable. They are not playing at te same level of hockey, so stats and play will be different in both leagues. Pogge has played well and price has played well, and both have played averagely at some time or another. The ''stats are useless'' bit was funny, Osgood is a hall of famer for sure. lol(see ''Osgood in the hall of fame? topic'')
I think Price and Pogge will have good careers and might win 1 or a few cups each. But unless the teams they are on play extrodinairaly well, I dont think they will be record breaking goalies a là Brodeur, Roy etc. Just my opinion. But you have to agree that the leafs have a long way to go if they want to contend for cups, and they already have a decent starter in toskola, and breaking .500 hockey is considered good for them. Pogge will be a good boost eventually but it's the rest they gotta work on. |
| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 11/18/2008 : 05:55:47
Don't forget Pogge has won a Memorial Cup, won CHL MVP and won Gold at the WJC.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
| fanoleaf |
Posted - 11/17/2008 : 21:49:32
OHHHHH so he left one key word out "other"
NO doubt about it he plays well. I hope that one day he wins a cup.
BUT HE HAS NOT YET. Its a long season and who knows if they have the nuts to go all the way this year and beat the west. |
| Axey |
Posted - 11/17/2008 : 21:42:21
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Originally posted by fanoleaf
Guest 5285 I understand what you are trying to say.
However, you state "stats are worthless, you play for championships, so lets throw stats out the window. price has won at every level."
When has Price won the cup?
By June of 09 thats when. haha joking, well not really just not getting cocky and jynxing it.
Price has won at every other level he means and is doing phenominal at this level, and will have a cup soon, my word.
Chicago Blackhawks GM
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| fanoleaf |
Posted - 11/17/2008 : 21:35:30
Guest 5285 I understand what you are trying to say.
However, you state "stats are worthless, you play for championships, so lets throw stats out the window. price has won at every level."
When has Price won the cup? |
| Guest5285 |
Posted - 11/17/2008 : 21:03:29
first off. lets all recognize that leafsfan 94 is completely biased. second, i am a die hard oilers fan and i dont really like the canadiens or leafs. but there is no argument you can make saying pogge is better than price. stats are worthless, you play for championships, so lets throw stats out the window. price has won at every level. pogge hasnt. price walked into a world of controversey carbonneau wanted to send him down but gainey made him the started anyway. and he LIT IT UP. i like pogge but price will be a franchise goalie for many many years. |
| Leafsfan_94 |
Posted - 11/17/2008 : 17:00:38
this topic is getting really old.
personally, CuJo my favourite goalie of all time he may be. is gettin washed up. yes he makes a big save now and then but i dont think he can keep up. toskala i think should be splitting games with pogge (once pogge gets his share of ice time) because hes doing bad as a starter but has always seemed to be good when he used to split games like in SJ.im sure pogge will make a great starter soon. just as price makes a good starter in montreal. but i want him playing games in the NHL. hes been with the marlies far too long now. and now that the leafs back up is getting old i think its his time too be brought up and shine.
but thats just my point of view, ..........that everyone thinks is stupid
but i think CuJo should be playing in the minors and pogge should come up and start playing games.
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| fanoleaf |
Posted - 11/17/2008 : 16:30:08
By the sounds of this the topic should be Pogge vs Price.
In regards to Pogge's future with the Leafs, I think he will get his shot. If Toskala keeps playing average at best,like he currently is than perhaps Pogge gets a shot this year. If he turns it around, then the Leafs will likely stay with Toskala
The mandate this year has been rebuilding and if management stays the course and Toskala continues to play average at best, then it could be possible for Pogge to get his shot. Lets float this out there for a while, sit Toskala given his current performances and split the games between CUJO and Pogge. Cujo would make a fantastic mentor for Pogge.
Will Pogge be an elite goalie in the NHL? Who knows only time will tell. He needs his shot and it will come.
Now to the debate about Price. Is it realistic to say that Price an elite goalie in the NHL? I am not sure that he has been around the NHL long enough to make that determination. Granted he is playing great hockey and he is very young for a goalie. Give the kid time, lets watch and enjoy his play. He is a Canadian goalie and Canada has produced a lot of top goalies.
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| Guest4670 |
Posted - 11/17/2008 : 14:37:03
Price sucks!!!!!!!!!!
Habs suck they will never win another cup
GO LEAFS |
| Guest6740 |
Posted - 10/17/2008 : 23:45:55
your right about pogge being a back up for toskala because all he ever will be is a back up goalie for any nhl real goalie remember nhl 2001 the game when some teams didn't even have back up guys just guys name back up well pogge heres to your new nickname back up |
| Leafsfan_94 |
Posted - 10/17/2008 : 20:14:09
im not saying pogge is going to be better than price im saying price hasnt proved him self to be a top ten goalie. crosby and ovechkin did.
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| Guest4381 |
Posted - 10/17/2008 : 18:09:17
do you know why price spent 2 months in the minors and pogge 3 years? do you know why a playoff bound team trades their #1 goalie 1 month before the playoffs start? it's because price is nhl ready.
put your leafs bias aside and think objectively for once. |
| Guest4381 |
Posted - 10/17/2008 : 18:05:00
what are you talking about? are you 8 or 14 yrs old? did you consider crosby a top 10 forward when he was 20?what about ovetchkin at 20?
you're all over the map with your logic. yet you're so sure about pogge, how many games has he played in the nhl? how many games has he won in the nhl? how many championships and awards has he won in the minors?
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Originally posted by Leafsfan_94
sorry but price isnt that good man. haes good but hes only frikken 20. theres still a long way to go before you can call him a top 10 goalie in his first year!
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| Leafsfan_94 |
Posted - 10/17/2008 : 16:19:30
sorry but price isnt that good man. haes good but hes only frikken 20. theres still a long way to go before you can call him a top 10 goalie in his first year!
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| Guest9886 |
Posted - 10/17/2008 : 15:58:30
Justin Pogge = best goaltender in a couple of years???
LOLOLOLOL
typical Leafs fan.. Pogge will be a top 10 goaltender no doubt, but best in the league!!. Sorry to say kid, but with Luongo, Price, Bernier, lundvist, Miller.. etc all around for the next 10 years or so.. Pogge will never be #1. There is no way Pogge is going to be better then any of those goalies I've mentioned.. NEVER.
Your Pogge vs Price comparison was horrible.. if Pogge would of won a Calder Cup in his first season in the A.. your comparison would have more merit. |
| Leafsfan_94 |
Posted - 10/17/2008 : 12:23:35
the only reason he got sat for clemmenson is beacuse they wanted to see if he would make a good backup for toskala.
and he did not, he sucked
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didn't pogge get sat in the playoffs for clemenson
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| Guest6740 |
Posted - 10/17/2008 : 07:59:21
didn't pogge get sat in the playoffs for clemenson and if your talking numbers well hell his numbers are better in lower level because he always had a amazing team infront of him doesn't make him a better goalie cuz he gets 10-20 shots a game |
| Guest4381 |
Posted - 10/17/2008 : 05:48:34
i've never seen anyone have such a hardon for a career minor leaguer |
| Leafsfan_94 |
Posted - 07/30/2008 : 21:20:18
im kind of hoping toskala gets injured  well i dont want him to be hurt but that might give justin a chance to show what hes got (while splitting games with joseph) and maybe wilson will think about his future with the leafs among the next few years. and think about making him a starter i mean if price can be a number one goalie. so can pogge
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| 99pickles |
Posted - 07/30/2008 : 20:17:51
Yes, I see we both have a fair-minded and reasonable expectation of the situation.
Of course everything changes if there is a major injury or if one of them bottoms out. |
| Leafsfan_94 |
Posted - 07/30/2008 : 13:00:53
no man i agree with you completely. this is what i was tryin to point out before
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Originally posted by 99pickles
Pogge will probably get a couple cups of coffee during the season, and the following year he will be back-up or co-starter for his first season. Toskala is a perfectly fine starter, and only when Pogge is ready and proving himself will they have to trade one of them for more assets.
This is obviously just my assessment, I have no crystal ball.
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| 99pickles |
Posted - 07/30/2008 : 12:55:20
Pogge will probably get a couple cups of coffee during the season, and the following year he will be back-up or co-starter for his first season. Toskala is a perfectly fine starter, and only when Pogge is ready and proving himself will they have to trade one of them for more assets.
This is obviously just my assessment, I have no crystal ball. |
| Leafsfan_94 |
Posted - 07/30/2008 : 11:31:42
i mean like maybe if toskala or cujo is sucking so bring up pogge for a few games. i do not think that he is ready for the nhl as a starter. i think hes ready for backup but again why make him back up[ whne toskala will play 60+ games
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| leafsfan_101 |
Posted - 07/28/2008 : 16:54:08
I'm pretty sure it is useless for Pogge to play 10 games at the NHL level. Exhibition games are fine, starting most games at the AHL level is okay, but to give him NHL games when he it would barely help him in place of Toskala is ludacris. I understand your thinking, but that is why you' re not an NHL Head Coach. |
| Leafsfan_94 |
Posted - 07/25/2008 : 21:53:47
i would very much like to see pogge play next year. but like you said maybe for only 5-10 games. because if wilson is as dumb as maurice is toskala will play 60+ games. so unless they get rid of toskala they should keep him in the AHL most of the year so he can get more ice time as the marlies #1 guy between the pipes
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Originally posted by Guest9805
K they should bring up Pogge for 5-10 games next season and then he shudd start the next season ,
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| Guest9805 |
Posted - 07/25/2008 : 21:30:18
K they should bring up Pogge for 5-10 games next season and then he shudd start the next season , |
