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Leafsfan_94
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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 Posted - 03/21/2008 : 18:36:54
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we all know justin pogge is the goalie of the future. in my opinion i think he will be the best in the league some day. but do you think the leafs will be smart enough to leave him be and do not trade him or what do you think they will do with him. or how do you think he'll do playing the Leaf Nation?
any thoughts, id like to know i ma die hard pogge fan i try to see as many marlie games as possible
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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
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Posted - 03/21/2008 : 18:43:45
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If they were smart, they'd bring him up for next season. I think it's time.
But, I can see them trading him off. After the past few seasons, I think the fans are tired of seeing them lose. I think there is far too much pressure in TO, and they'll trade him off for a goaltender/player more so for now than the future.
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leafsfan_101
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 03/21/2008 : 19:02:19
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Something I have realized about Leafs fans is that they are very delusional and strait-laced. What I mean by that is that Leafs fans know what they want, even if they don't know the benefits or losses. With Pogge Leafs fans see a promising young goalie, "The Future". If Pogge was traded Leafs Nation would go in a uproar. Because of that Pogge won't be traded .
JOIN THE GREAT DEBATE!!!
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mytor4
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 03/21/2008 : 19:58:42
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Originally posted by Leafsfan_94
we all know justin pogge is the goalie of the future. in my opinion i think he will be the best in the league some day. but do you think the leafs will be smart enough to leave him be and do not trade him or what do you think they will do with him. or how do you think he'll do playing the Leaf Nation?
any thoughts, id like to know i ma die hard pogge fan i try to see as many marlie games as possible
Leafsfan_94
well i don't share the same opinion about pogge as you do. i don't see him being the best in the league but i do see him having a chance to become a very good goalie. the leafs should hold on to him and at least give him a shot.
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Posted - 03/21/2008 : 20:44:35
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Future #1 Goalies = Bernier and Price.
Pogge will be good but not best in the league. And as for his future I'd advise TO to keep him instead of throwing him away for a washed up vet like they've done every other future player they've had. |
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Leafsfan_94
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 03/21/2008 : 21:39:19
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umm no offence this is just my opinion but if they were in a goaltending contest pogge would umm clean the floors with them. look at price's career stats(i think i made a powerpoint for a school project called Price vs Pogge) pogges destroys price on all time stats. and bernier will be very good, but if he's with the kings he wont be able to show what he has.
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Originally posted by Guest8815
Future #1 Goalies = Bernier and Price.
Pogge will be good but not best in the league. And as for his future I'd advise TO to keep him instead of throwing him away for a washed up vet like they've done every other future player they've had.
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Guest8815
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Posted - 03/21/2008 : 21:59:04
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Originally posted by Leafsfan_94
umm no offence this is just my opinion but if they were in a goaltending contest pogge would umm clean the floors with them. look at price's career stats(i think i made a powerpoint for a school project called Price vs Pogge) pogges destroys price on all time stats. and bernier will be very good, but if he's with the kings he wont be able to show what he has.
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Originally posted by Guest8815
Future #1 Goalies = Bernier and Price.
Pogge will be good but not best in the league. And as for his future I'd advise TO to keep him instead of throwing him away for a washed up vet like they've done every other future player they've had.
Leafsfan_94
Sorry but if I were a goalie I would 100% without a doubt in my mind choose LA over TO. Now bias aside, where would you rather be? And show me these oh so compelling stats, has Pogge played an NHL game yet? No. Therefore those stats are worthless, who cares if he did better in the Juniors, It's all about how you perform in the NHL, which Price has done exceptionally well. |
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Leafsfan_94
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 03/21/2008 : 22:32:05
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i agree with you that you cant judge a goalie who hasnt played an nhl game yet, but price has been doing good. but it will not last long..
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Originally posted by Guest8815
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Originally posted by Leafsfan_94
umm no offence this is just my opinion but if they were in a goaltending contest pogge would umm clean the floors with them. look at price's career stats(i think i made a powerpoint for a school project called Price vs Pogge) pogges destroys price on all time stats. and bernier will be very good, but if he's with the kings he wont be able to show what he has.
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Originally posted by Guest8815
Future #1 Goalies = Bernier and Price.
Pogge will be good but not best in the league. And as for his future I'd advise TO to keep him instead of throwing him away for a washed up vet like they've done every other future player they've had.
Leafsfan_94
Sorry but if I were a goalie I would 100% without a doubt in my mind choose LA over TO. Now bias aside, where would you rather be? And show me these oh so compelling stats, has Pogge played an NHL game yet? No. Therefore those stats are worthless, who cares if he did better in the Juniors, It's all about how you perform in the NHL, which Price has done exceptionally well.
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Guest4957
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Posted - 03/22/2008 : 07:51:03
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but if he's with the kings he wont be able to show what he has.
just wait the kings are way better then the Toronto losers, Give them a couple years they are going to be Killer! |
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mytor4
Rookie
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Posted - 03/22/2008 : 08:14:56
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Originally posted by Leafsfan_94
umm no offence this is just my opinion but if they were in a goaltending contest pogge would umm clean the floors with them. look at price's career stats(i think i made a powerpoint for a school project called Price vs Pogge) pogges destroys price on all time stats. and bernier will be very good, but if he's with the kings he wont be able to show what he has.
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Originally posted by Guest8815
Future #1 Goalies = Bernier and Price.
Pogge will be good but not best in the league. And as for his future I'd advise TO to keep him instead of throwing him away for a washed up vet like they've done every other future player they've had.
Leafsfan_94
and pogge has won what compared to price. thats what i thought.price has won at every level he has played.he's been the best at every level he has played.
price is twice the goalie pogge will ever dream of being . pogge is not even good enought to crack the lineup on a team who has average to terrible goaltending.
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Antroman
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 03/22/2008 : 08:50:21
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Mytor.......What in the world are you talking about here? Average to terrible goaltending? Toskala is an awesome goalie. Fergie made a good deal getting this guy for sure. I am not at all sure I know where you are coming from with that statement? Check out Toskala's stats playing on a supposed poor team my friend. Did you even watch the last two Leaf games?
The Topic........Carey Price appears to be the real deal but time will tell as it will with Justin Pogge. I don't think we will truely know the future of Pogge until we see him play in the NHL. I have watched him play quite a bit with the Marlies and I have seen him play spectacularly and I have seen him look fairly ordinary. He looked very good for a kid in the Leaf exhibition game he started last fall.......not out of place at all. To make derogatory remarks in his regard is nothing less than wrong at the present time. |
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Leafsfan_94
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 03/22/2008 : 11:04:03
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Pogge's career wins: 120 Pogge wins
Price Career wins: 90
Pogge Career Losses: 83 pogge wins
Price Career Losses: 99
Pogge Career Shutouts: 26 pogge wins
Price Career Shutouts: 18
Pogge Career GA: 548 in 6 years
Price Career GA: 466 in 7 years price wins
Pogge Career G.AA: 2.29 Pogge Wins
Price Career G.AA: 2.65
ok lets so who wins
Pogge: 4
Price: 1
All hail king pogge... price is like a prince in my eyes he'll ste'll be good
but pogge will be better X5 atleast
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irvine
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Posted - 03/22/2008 : 11:51:08
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And by career stats, you are getting these from which level play?
Juniors?
AAA?
Bantom?
We've not seen Pogge play a single NHL game. We now see Price taking the big stage as a starter!
I'm not knocking Pogge, believe me. I'd have him on my team. But what I am trying to say is this, we can not go by stats on this issue. Pogge does not have stats at the level that Price does. They will be playing in the NHL, not the juniors. So in stats, Price wins by default.
I can see Price being around for years to come, as a number one goaltender in the league down the road. Few years before we see this. Pogge, I am unsure of right now. We'll have to see how he performs.
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mytor4
Rookie
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Posted - 03/27/2008 : 20:54:18
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Originally posted by Antroman
Mytor.......What in the world are you talking about here? Average to terrible goaltending? Toskala is an awesome goalie. Fergie made a good deal getting this guy for sure. I am not at all sure I know where you are coming from with that statement? Check out Toskala's stats playing on a supposed poor team my friend. Did you even watch the last two Leaf games?
The Topic........Carey Price appears to be the real deal but time will tell as it will with Justin Pogge. I don't think we will truely know the future of Pogge until we see him play in the NHL. I have watched him play quite a bit with the Marlies and I have seen him play spectacularly and I have seen him look fairly ordinary. He looked very good for a kid in the Leaf exhibition game he started last fall.......not out of place at all. To make derogatory remarks in his regard is nothing less than wrong at the present time.
exactly toronto's goaltending is average to terrible.
raycroft = terrible
toskala = average
how can toskala be anything with his stats.
after tonight his ga is 2.64 = 24th in the league.
his save % is 907 which = 29th in the league
if those stats don't point to being average or less well then i don't know
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ThorntonisTHEMAN
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 03/28/2008 : 05:57:00
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My opinion? They should've kept Tukka Rask. I think he will be better than Pogge. Just my opinion but ironic that Rask's first win was against the Leafs............
"I'm not dumb enough to be a goalie."
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SuperSakic
Rookie
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Posted - 03/28/2008 : 08:31:25
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Originally posted by Antroman
Mytor.......What in the world are you talking about here? Average to terrible goaltending? Toskala is an awesome goalie. Fergie made a good deal getting this guy for sure. I am not at all sure I know where you are coming from with that statement? Check out Toskala's stats playing on a supposed poor team my friend. Did you even watch the last two Leaf games?
The Topic........Carey Price appears to be the real deal but time will tell as it will with Justin Pogge. I don't think we will truely know the future of Pogge until we see him play in the NHL. I have watched him play quite a bit with the Marlies and I have seen him play spectacularly and I have seen him look fairly ordinary. He looked very good for a kid in the Leaf exhibition game he started last fall.......not out of place at all. To make derogatory remarks in his regard is nothing less than wrong at the present time.
I only noticed Toskala playing better in the second half of the season. He was nowhere at the start. That's why they were switching goalies almost every other game. Cause none of them could get the job done. I think you would have to give Toskala another year to determine if really is as good as he's been playing, or is he just having a lucky run? I think the Leafs organization jumps on players' short-term performance too soon and starts to hand them money and contracts as if they were candy. I say reserve your judgements until you see MORE consistency. But I guess that is the typical Leafs fans' mindset....Oh, we won one game! We are going all the way now baby! |
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Komisaurus
Top Prospect
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Posted - 03/28/2008 : 08:47:37
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Check it out hab fans!
leafy writes "I normally write about my Leafs, but an interesting observation inspired me to write this story.
Back in September, Habsrock99 wrote an article comparing this year's Canadiens to the 1986 team. At the time, I thought "you're joking, right?". But in hindsight, the article was actually ahead of its time, written when most analysts picked the Habs to miss the playoffs.
Meanwhile, I did some research of past hockey eras and found out a very interesting fact about Montreal rookie goalies going back 65 years.
If history is any indication, this might have implications for Montreal's performance in the upcoming playoffs.
Over the years, the Canadiens have had a number of rookie goalies, most of which fall into 1 of 2 categories:
1. Rookie goalies who did not play for Montreal for very long
Gerry McNeil
Roggie Vachon
Tony Esposito
Phil Myre
Rick Wamsley
Jocelyn Thibault
OR
2. Rookie goalies who were not top calibre or No. 1 guys (ie, not really all-star material)
Roy Worters
Wilf Cude
Bert Gardiner
Claude Bourque
Charlie Hodge
Michel Plasse
Michel Larocque
Richard Sevigny
Steve Penney
Andre Racicot
Frederic Chabot
Mathieu Garon
Of course, Montreal has also had a slew of goaltenders who were simply not rookies. Examples include:
Gump Worsley
Denis DeJordy
Wayne Thomas
Denis Herron
Doug Soetaert
Brian Hayward
Rollie Melanson
Ron Tugnutt
Pat Jablonski
Jeff Hackett
Stephane Fiset
David Aebischer
Cristobal Huet
However, since World War II, Montreal has had FOUR prominent rookie goalies who went on to have great careers for the Canadiens. For this reason, these 4 goalies are unique.
And now, this year, Montreal has a 5th such goalie, Carey Price, who many believe will follow in the foot-steps of the other 4 legends.
So who are the 4 major goalies that went on to have stellar careers for the Canadiens? They are:
1. Bill Durnan
2. Jacques Plante
3. Ken Dryden
4. Patrick Roy
Want to know how Montreal fared in the playoffs with these goalies in their ROOKIE year? Check it out:
Bill Durnan (1943-44) -- Canadiens won Stanley Cup
Jacques Plante (1952-53) -- Canadiens won Stanley Cup
Ken Dryden (1970-71) -- Canadiens won Stanley Cup
Patrick Roy (1985-86) -- Canadiens won Stanley Cup
Carey Price (2007-08) -- TO BE DETERMINED
In other words, in the past 65 years, every time the Canadiens had a prominent rookie goalie, they went on to win a Stanley Cup title! That is absolutely incredible. I can't think of any other team who's had that kind of success with Rookie goalies.
Going back further, since World War I, there is only one major Montreal goalie who failed to win the Cup in his rookie year, Georges Hainsworth (1926-27). Instead, he won in his 4th year.
The legendary George Vezina was Montreal's rookie goalie in 1910 when the Habs didn't win the Cup, but that was before the NHL was born.
The really astute reader will notice that I excluded Tony Esposito from the list of prominent goalies, even though the Habs won the Cup when he was a rookie (1968-69). I omitted him because he didn't play in Montreal for long, as he was quickly traded to Chicago after his rookie season. if I included him, I would have to include various other goalies as well, including Roggie Vachon.
Some would argue that Jose Theodore bucked the trend, but consider that he didn't earn the No. 1 goaltending job until his 4th season with the Habs, and the above list only includes prominent rookie goalies who also went on to have stellar careers. Theodore doesn't really qualify as such.
So the question is, will Carey Price continue the tradition that started about 65 years ago? We shall see, but the historical data is remarkable.
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ThorntonisTHEMAN
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Posted - 03/28/2008 : 09:38:57
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very interesting but why the heck is this under the topic "justin pogge" ?????
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Originally posted by Komisaurus
Check it out hab fans!
leafy writes "I normally write about my Leafs, but an interesting observation inspired me to write this story.
Back in September, Habsrock99 wrote an article comparing this year's Canadiens to the 1986 team. At the time, I thought "you're joking, right?". But in hindsight, the article was actually ahead of its time, written when most analysts picked the Habs to miss the playoffs.
Meanwhile, I did some research of past hockey eras and found out a very interesting fact about Montreal rookie goalies going back 65 years.
If history is any indication, this might have implications for Montreal's performance in the upcoming playoffs.
Over the years, the Canadiens have had a number of rookie goalies, most of which fall into 1 of 2 categories:
1. Rookie goalies who did not play for Montreal for very long
Gerry McNeil
Roggie Vachon
Tony Esposito
Phil Myre
Rick Wamsley
Jocelyn Thibault
OR
2. Rookie goalies who were not top calibre or No. 1 guys (ie, not really all-star material)
Roy Worters
Wilf Cude
Bert Gardiner
Claude Bourque
Charlie Hodge
Michel Plasse
Michel Larocque
Richard Sevigny
Steve Penney
Andre Racicot
Frederic Chabot
Mathieu Garon
Of course, Montreal has also had a slew of goaltenders who were simply not rookies. Examples include:
Gump Worsley
Denis DeJordy
Wayne Thomas
Denis Herron
Doug Soetaert
Brian Hayward
Rollie Melanson
Ron Tugnutt
Pat Jablonski
Jeff Hackett
Stephane Fiset
David Aebischer
Cristobal Huet
However, since World War II, Montreal has had FOUR prominent rookie goalies who went on to have great careers for the Canadiens. For this reason, these 4 goalies are unique.
And now, this year, Montreal has a 5th such goalie, Carey Price, who many believe will follow in the foot-steps of the other 4 legends.
So who are the 4 major goalies that went on to have stellar careers for the Canadiens? They are:
1. Bill Durnan
2. Jacques Plante
3. Ken Dryden
4. Patrick Roy
Want to know how Montreal fared in the playoffs with these goalies in their ROOKIE year? Check it out:
Bill Durnan (1943-44) -- Canadiens won Stanley Cup
Jacques Plante (1952-53) -- Canadiens won Stanley Cup
Ken Dryden (1970-71) -- Canadiens won Stanley Cup
Patrick Roy (1985-86) -- Canadiens won Stanley Cup
Carey Price (2007-08) -- TO BE DETERMINED
In other words, in the past 65 years, every time the Canadiens had a prominent rookie goalie, they went on to win a Stanley Cup title! That is absolutely incredible. I can't think of any other team who's had that kind of success with Rookie goalies.
Going back further, since World War I, there is only one major Montreal goalie who failed to win the Cup in his rookie year, Georges Hainsworth (1926-27). Instead, he won in his 4th year.
The legendary George Vezina was Montreal's rookie goalie in 1910 when the Habs didn't win the Cup, but that was before the NHL was born.
The really astute reader will notice that I excluded Tony Esposito from the list of prominent goalies, even though the Habs won the Cup when he was a rookie (1968-69). I omitted him because he didn't play in Montreal for long, as he was quickly traded to Chicago after his rookie season. if I included him, I would have to include various other goalies as well, including Roggie Vachon.
Some would argue that Jose Theodore bucked the trend, but consider that he didn't earn the No. 1 goaltending job until his 4th season with the Habs, and the above list only includes prominent rookie goalies who also went on to have stellar careers. Theodore doesn't really qualify as such.
So the question is, will Carey Price continue the tradition that started about 65 years ago? We shall see, but the historical data is remarkable.
"I'm not dumb enough to be a goalie."
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Posted - 07/25/2008 : 21:30:18
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| K they should bring up Pogge for 5-10 games next season and then he shudd start the next season , |
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Leafsfan_94
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Posted - 07/25/2008 : 21:53:47
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i would very much like to see pogge play next year. but like you said maybe for only 5-10 games. because if wilson is as dumb as maurice is toskala will play 60+ games. so unless they get rid of toskala they should keep him in the AHL most of the year so he can get more ice time as the marlies #1 guy between the pipes
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K they should bring up Pogge for 5-10 games next season and then he shudd start the next season ,
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leafsfan_101
PickupHockey Veteran
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Posted - 07/28/2008 : 16:54:08
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| I'm pretty sure it is useless for Pogge to play 10 games at the NHL level. Exhibition games are fine, starting most games at the AHL level is okay, but to give him NHL games when he it would barely help him in place of Toskala is ludacris. I understand your thinking, but that is why you' re not an NHL Head Coach. |
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Leafsfan_94
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Posted - 07/30/2008 : 11:31:42
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i mean like maybe if toskala or cujo is sucking so bring up pogge for a few games. i do not think that he is ready for the nhl as a starter. i think hes ready for backup but again why make him back up[ whne toskala will play 60+ games
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99pickles
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Posted - 07/30/2008 : 12:55:20
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Pogge will probably get a couple cups of coffee during the season, and the following year he will be back-up or co-starter for his first season. Toskala is a perfectly fine starter, and only when Pogge is ready and proving himself will they have to trade one of them for more assets.
This is obviously just my assessment, I have no crystal ball. |
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Leafsfan_94
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Posted - 07/30/2008 : 13:00:53
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no man i agree with you completely. this is what i was tryin to point out before
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Originally posted by 99pickles
Pogge will probably get a couple cups of coffee during the season, and the following year he will be back-up or co-starter for his first season. Toskala is a perfectly fine starter, and only when Pogge is ready and proving himself will they have to trade one of them for more assets.
This is obviously just my assessment, I have no crystal ball.
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99pickles
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Posted - 07/30/2008 : 20:17:51
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Yes, I see we both have a fair-minded and reasonable expectation of the situation.
Of course everything changes if there is a major injury or if one of them bottoms out. |
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Leafsfan_94
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Posted - 07/30/2008 : 21:20:18
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im kind of hoping toskala gets injured  well i dont want him to be hurt but that might give justin a chance to show what hes got (while splitting games with joseph) and maybe wilson will think about his future with the leafs among the next few years. and think about making him a starter i mean if price can be a number one goalie. so can pogge
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Guest4381
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Posted - 10/17/2008 : 05:48:34
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Posted - 10/17/2008 : 07:59:21
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| didn't pogge get sat in the playoffs for clemenson and if your talking numbers well hell his numbers are better in lower level because he always had a amazing team infront of him doesn't make him a better goalie cuz he gets 10-20 shots a game |
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Leafsfan_94
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Posted - 10/17/2008 : 12:23:35
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the only reason he got sat for clemmenson is beacuse they wanted to see if he would make a good backup for toskala.
and he did not, he sucked
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didn't pogge get sat in the playoffs for clemenson
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Guest9886
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Posted - 10/17/2008 : 15:58:30
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Justin Pogge = best goaltender in a couple of years???
LOLOLOLOL
typical Leafs fan.. Pogge will be a top 10 goaltender no doubt, but best in the league!!. Sorry to say kid, but with Luongo, Price, Bernier, lundvist, Miller.. etc all around for the next 10 years or so.. Pogge will never be #1. There is no way Pogge is going to be better then any of those goalies I've mentioned.. NEVER.
Your Pogge vs Price comparison was horrible.. if Pogge would of won a Calder Cup in his first season in the A.. your comparison would have more merit. |
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Leafsfan_94
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Posted - 10/17/2008 : 16:19:30
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sorry but price isnt that good man. haes good but hes only frikken 20. theres still a long way to go before you can call him a top 10 goalie in his first year!
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Guest4381
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Posted - 10/17/2008 : 18:05:00
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what are you talking about? are you 8 or 14 yrs old? did you consider crosby a top 10 forward when he was 20?what about ovetchkin at 20?
you're all over the map with your logic. yet you're so sure about pogge, how many games has he played in the nhl? how many games has he won in the nhl? how many championships and awards has he won in the minors?
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Originally posted by Leafsfan_94
sorry but price isnt that good man. haes good but hes only frikken 20. theres still a long way to go before you can call him a top 10 goalie in his first year!
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Guest4381
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Posted - 10/17/2008 : 18:09:17
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do you know why price spent 2 months in the minors and pogge 3 years? do you know why a playoff bound team trades their #1 goalie 1 month before the playoffs start? it's because price is nhl ready.
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Leafsfan_94
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Posted - 10/17/2008 : 20:14:09
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im not saying pogge is going to be better than price im saying price hasnt proved him self to be a top ten goalie. crosby and ovechkin did.
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Posted - 10/17/2008 : 23:45:55
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| your right about pogge being a back up for toskala because all he ever will be is a back up goalie for any nhl real goalie remember nhl 2001 the game when some teams didn't even have back up guys just guys name back up well pogge heres to your new nickname back up |
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Guest4670
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Posted - 11/17/2008 : 14:37:03
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Price sucks!!!!!!!!!!
Habs suck they will never win another cup
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fanoleaf
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Posted - 11/17/2008 : 16:30:08
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By the sounds of this the topic should be Pogge vs Price.
In regards to Pogge's future with the Leafs, I think he will get his shot. If Toskala keeps playing average at best,like he currently is than perhaps Pogge gets a shot this year. If he turns it around, then the Leafs will likely stay with Toskala
The mandate this year has been rebuilding and if management stays the course and Toskala continues to play average at best, then it could be possible for Pogge to get his shot. Lets float this out there for a while, sit Toskala given his current performances and split the games between CUJO and Pogge. Cujo would make a fantastic mentor for Pogge.
Will Pogge be an elite goalie in the NHL? Who knows only time will tell. He needs his shot and it will come.
Now to the debate about Price. Is it realistic to say that Price an elite goalie in the NHL? I am not sure that he has been around the NHL long enough to make that determination. Granted he is playing great hockey and he is very young for a goalie. Give the kid time, lets watch and enjoy his play. He is a Canadian goalie and Canada has produced a lot of top goalies.
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Leafsfan_94
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Posted - 11/17/2008 : 17:00:38
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this topic is getting really old.
personally, CuJo my favourite goalie of all time he may be. is gettin washed up. yes he makes a big save now and then but i dont think he can keep up. toskala i think should be splitting games with pogge (once pogge gets his share of ice time) because hes doing bad as a starter but has always seemed to be good when he used to split games like in SJ.im sure pogge will make a great starter soon. just as price makes a good starter in montreal. but i want him playing games in the NHL. hes been with the marlies far too long now. and now that the leafs back up is getting old i think its his time too be brought up and shine.
but thats just my point of view, ..........that everyone thinks is stupid
but i think CuJo should be playing in the minors and pogge should come up and start playing games.
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Posted - 11/17/2008 : 21:03:29
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| first off. lets all recognize that leafsfan 94 is completely biased. second, i am a die hard oilers fan and i dont really like the canadiens or leafs. but there is no argument you can make saying pogge is better than price. stats are worthless, you play for championships, so lets throw stats out the window. price has won at every level. pogge hasnt. price walked into a world of controversey carbonneau wanted to send him down but gainey made him the started anyway. and he LIT IT UP. i like pogge but price will be a franchise goalie for many many years. |
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fanoleaf
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Posted - 11/17/2008 : 21:35:30
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Guest 5285 I understand what you are trying to say.
However, you state "stats are worthless, you play for championships, so lets throw stats out the window. price has won at every level."
When has Price won the cup? |
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Axey
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Posted - 11/17/2008 : 21:42:21
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quote:
Originally posted by fanoleaf
Guest 5285 I understand what you are trying to say.
However, you state "stats are worthless, you play for championships, so lets throw stats out the window. price has won at every level."
When has Price won the cup?
By June of 09 thats when. haha joking, well not really just not getting cocky and jynxing it.
Price has won at every other level he means and is doing phenominal at this level, and will have a cup soon, my word.
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Pogge's future with the Leafs 
