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| Leafsfan_94 |
Posted - 10/13/2008 : 19:26:14
now that i have most leafs fans attention i would like to plead my case.
ok when you looked at vesa's stats with San Jose everybody thought he would help the leafs big time. well maybe that was because SJ is a great team. yes toskala is a good goalie but he is like the most un positioned goalie in the NHL. he was like Hasek, only hasek was alot better. he would flop around on the ice and gamble on shots. to me some of his highlight saves he makes are because of luck. he is not a persistant goaltender he doesnt play well every night, not saying the leafs do but toskala doesnt help much. i look back on some of the goals hes let in and hes not even positioned right in his net. alot of people are going to hate me for this but. RAYCROFT was better than toskala. raycroft got 37 wins which is great for a crappy team like toronto's 06-07 team. their 07-08 was better than their 06-07 team and toskala still only pulled off 33 wins. put it this way im sure lots of teams are looking for goalies and toskala could be that goalie. teams can give up good players,draft picks and top prospects etc. CuJo may be getting washed up but im sure he cant do THAT bad as a starter. and pogge is ready for the NHL he played great in the pre-season and would make a great back up
what do you leaf fans think about toskala? and if you like him or hate him what would you do with him?
Leafsfan_94
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| hanley6 |
Posted - 01/03/2009 : 12:54:58
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Originally posted by Savitar
My question is who are you hoping to get for him?
There is nothing really wrong with Toskala. Is he a top 10 goalie? Maybe not, but neither is the starting goalie for 2/3 of the teams in the league. toskala is a legitimate No. 1 goalie, who is playing for the relatively inexpensive price of $4 Mil per year.
The only goalies I can possibly see you getting (that you might want) are either Khabibulin, or Fernandez, and with Chicago and Boston gearing up for playoff runs getting either of those gentlemen is going to cost Toronto dearly.
Also keep in mind that Khabibulin earns $7 Million per year, not 4, and Fernandez has been inconsistent at best when he's been given a starting job. Also, either team would probably want Antropov, Schenn, or Grabovski in exchange, not Toskala.
As a final note, if Toskala is indeed "useless" then may I remind you that L.A. just got a whopping 7th round pick for the "useless" Jason LaBarbera.
Give Toskala a break, he's a legitimate no. 1 goalie in this league that happens to be playing for a rotten team.
"I call the big one Bitey"
Toskala isn't even a top 20 goalie I wouldn't even say he's a top 30 goalie, there are backups I'd rather have over him like Leclaire, Lalime, Huet, Brent Johnson, John MacDonald, Halak, Gerber, Hedberg, Deslauriers, Quick and Norrena they are all better than Toskala in my books |
| hanley6 |
Posted - 01/03/2009 : 12:49:29
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Originally posted by Hustler90
Leafs never won a cup since 1967, Trust me I know a lot of loyal leafs fans, that never give up on their team and are still waiting for it. Patience and Leafs fans go hand in hand.
very true... I'm 27 years old. I've been a Leafs fan all my life. My eyes have been glued to the tube whenever the Leafs games on since I was a baby. I love the Leafs no matter what through good or bad. Always have always will. I am hoping that some year before I kick the bucket I get to see the Leafs win the Cup at least once. That being said with a love like I have for the Leafs of course there is some frustrating times and some great times too. I sure any true fan for any team would agree |
| Savitar |
Posted - 01/03/2009 : 11:02:58
My question is who are you hoping to get for him?
There is nothing really wrong with Toskala. Is he a top 10 goalie? Maybe not, but neither is the starting goalie for 2/3 of the teams in the league. toskala is a legitimate No. 1 goalie, who is playing for the relatively inexpensive price of $4 Mil per year.
The only goalies I can possibly see you getting (that you might want) are either Khabibulin, or Fernandez, and with Chicago and Boston gearing up for playoff runs getting either of those gentlemen is going to cost Toronto dearly.
Also keep in mind that Khabibulin earns $7 Million per year, not 4, and Fernandez has been inconsistent at best when he's been given a starting job. Also, either team would probably want Antropov, Schenn, or Grabovski in exchange, not Toskala.
As a final note, if Toskala is indeed "useless" then may I remind you that L.A. just got a whopping 7th round pick for the "useless" Jason LaBarbera.
Give Toskala a break, he's a legitimate no. 1 goalie in this league that happens to be playing for a rotten team.
"I call the big one Bitey" |
| Hustler90 |
Posted - 01/02/2009 : 17:11:29
Leafs never won a cup since 1967, Trust me I know a lot of loyal leafs fans, that never give up on their team and are still waiting for it. Patience and Leafs fans go hand in hand. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 01/02/2009 : 13:26:35
So you are all aware, Webster's recently came out with their changes for the English Language, 2009 edition.
The new rule very clearly states that you can not put the words "Patience" or "Patient" and "Leafs Fan" in the same paragraph, let alone the same sentence or beside each other.
Just wanted to make sure that was out there. With many of our members still of school age, I would hate to see them lose marks in their English Class based on not knowing the changes for this year.
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| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 01/02/2009 : 12:20:33
Honestly, coming into this season I thought goaltending was going to be the least of our worries and now it seems to be the biggest problem.
Cujo gets beat top cheese all the time 'cause he's down too early, his rebound control is bad, he is slow, he puck handling skills aren't very sharp and quite frankly he is terrible now.
Toskala has been wildly inconsistant, but im still not convinced that he should just be dumped on by leaf nation because of how things have gone this season. Seriously, who really would have thought that we'd be sitting 5 points out of 8th halfway through the season. If Toskala starts last nights game against Buffalo we may very well be 1 point out of 8th. Vesa definatley has something to do with that despite his numbers being so bad.
Unless you can package him for something pretty decent, I would definatley hang onto him. He still has a high upside to his game and could very well have a strong second half.
All you leaf fans out there, it is seriously time to show some patience. Most of you seem to buy into the rebuilding idea but very few actually show patience when it comes to the players on the team. Why complain so much when they lose or get shelled, its been said from day one that this is going to be a process that will take time. If they play well, great, if they dont then we get John Tavares :D
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
| Guest8815 |
Posted - 01/02/2009 : 10:25:28
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Originally posted by Leafsfan_94
yea, i woiuldnt say CuJo's performance was a stellar performance. but i mean, his team didnt really show up for him either. he is 41 now, he is in good shape but when you get that old it isnt as easy to play goal, i guess not for belfour, or haseks case but still not all goalies stay sharp when they get older.
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Originally posted by Hustler90
Alright man, If you want to talk letting in weak goals, than how about Cujo last night against Buffalo.
1st Goal against: Long point shot, This one wasn't too bad because he did have traffic in front and Buffalo was on the Powerplay but the shot wasn't redirected or anything.
2nd Goal against: Cujo misses it with his glove and it ends up being hit out of mid-air in the net. Hard to get the second try, but he really should have grabbed the first shot with his trapper.
3rd goal against: Weak as hell. Bad angle, thrown on net. Routine save for Toskala. But that happens from time to time.
4th Goal against: This is the goal that made me think Joseph just isn't NHL material anymore. The old age and flexibility came in to play here. Any goalie should have been able to slide across and get this one. Joseph took so long to get over, you'd swear he was a fat kid playing in a street hockey game.
16 Saves 4 GA on 20 shots, not impressive considering at least 3 out of the 4 goals he should have had.
Leafsfan_94
So when Toronto plays a game like their same old selfs, but Joseph is in net the blames placed on the Team, but if Toskala was in net it would be all his fault? |
| Leafsfan_94 |
Posted - 01/02/2009 : 09:00:17
yea, i woiuldnt say CuJo's performance was a stellar performance. but i mean, his team didnt really show up for him either. he is 41 now, he is in good shape but when you get that old it isnt as easy to play goal, i guess not for belfour, or haseks case but still not all goalies stay sharp when they get older.
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Originally posted by Hustler90
Alright man, If you want to talk letting in weak goals, than how about Cujo last night against Buffalo.
1st Goal against: Long point shot, This one wasn't too bad because he did have traffic in front and Buffalo was on the Powerplay but the shot wasn't redirected or anything.
2nd Goal against: Cujo misses it with his glove and it ends up being hit out of mid-air in the net. Hard to get the second try, but he really should have grabbed the first shot with his trapper.
3rd goal against: Weak as hell. Bad angle, thrown on net. Routine save for Toskala. But that happens from time to time.
4th Goal against: This is the goal that made me think Joseph just isn't NHL material anymore. The old age and flexibility came in to play here. Any goalie should have been able to slide across and get this one. Joseph took so long to get over, you'd swear he was a fat kid playing in a street hockey game.
16 Saves 4 GA on 20 shots, not impressive considering at least 3 out of the 4 goals he should have had.
Leafsfan_94
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| Hustler90 |
Posted - 01/02/2009 : 08:53:51
Alright man, If you want to talk letting in weak goals, than how about Cujo last night against Buffalo.
1st Goal against: Long point shot, This one wasn't too bad because he did have traffic in front and Buffalo was on the Powerplay but the shot wasn't redirected or anything.
2nd Goal against: Cujo misses it with his glove and it ends up being hit out of mid-air in the net. Hard to get the second try, but he really should have grabbed the first shot with his trapper.
3rd goal against: Weak as hell. Bad angle, thrown on net. Routine save for Toskala. But that happens from time to time.
4th Goal against: This is the goal that made me think Joseph just isn't NHL material anymore. The old age and flexibility came in to play here. Any goalie should have been able to slide across and get this one. Joseph took so long to get over, you'd swear he was a fat kid playing in a street hockey game.
16 Saves 4 GA on 20 shots, not impressive considering at least 3 out of the 4 goals he should have had. |
| Guest9044 |
Posted - 01/02/2009 : 05:58:19
I think the leafs should trade gerber for toskala with the senators.  |
| hanley6 |
Posted - 01/02/2009 : 00:03:18
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Originally posted by Hustler90
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Originally posted by hanley6
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Originally posted by Hustler90
Give Cujo time hanley and he will disappoint you as well. Cujo has shown some weaknesses himself. Like the time he was put in a shootout, he had huge portions of the net wide open. Although I can't blame that all on him he was cold after sitting the whole game and then being thrown in a shootout, that was Ron Wilson's fault, but still Cujo couldn't have done any worse. He looked like a first year midget goalie standing in the net. He is too old and not playing good enough to be Toronto's starter for the rest of the year.
that shootout he was cold. was not his fault shootouts are stupid hockey is supposed to be a team effort not an individual effort. He's not that old he's only 41 and still in great shape. He could have another good 2 years left in the NHL. He is the best goalie Toronto has. They just haven't given him a chance because Toskala is making the bigger bucks but they need to start Cujo more if they want to make it to the playoffs because playing Toskala isn't going to get you there. they are only 3 points away from 8th. They are close. They need to play the goalie that doesn't let in a lot of soft goals every game so they need to start Cujo a lot more often
Shootouts are part of the game dude, Goalies gotta practice for that stuff too. So basically one on one Cujo is weak but in a scramble he can sprawl around and get lucky is what your saying. He needs a lot of defensive help or he's useless
There is no goalie in the league that is as useless as Toskala |
| Guest9222 |
Posted - 01/01/2009 : 21:34:03
quote:
Originally posted by hanley6
that shootout he was cold. was not his fault shootouts are stupid hockey is supposed to be a team effort not an individual effort. He's not that old he's only 41 and still in great shape. He could have another good 2 years left in the NHL. He is the best goalie Toronto has. They just haven't given him a chance because Toskala is making the bigger bucks but they need to start Cujo more if they want to make it to the playoffs because playing Toskala isn't going to get you there. they are only 3 points away from 8th. They are close. They need to play the goalie that doesn't let in a lot of soft goals every game so they need to start Cujo a lot more often
Saying shootouts are stupid is completely ridiculous. It's a great way to show individual skill both from the shooter's and the netminder's point. Although hockey may not be an individual sport, it shows the skills each individuals have in the tougher situations. And no offence to Curtis, he had his moments back in the day, but he's old now. Don't tell me 41 is NOT old, find me how many 40+ players are doing well. And by well, I mean better than Chris Chelios. He might have had a decent game against the Thrashers, (I didn't have a chance to catch it) but from the previous games I've watched, his positioning is worse than Vesa's, and he pretty much hugs the net most of the time, hardly comes out to take out the angle.
Just my opinion. |
| Hustler90 |
Posted - 01/01/2009 : 11:01:23
quote:
Originally posted by hanley6
quote:
Originally posted by Hustler90
Give Cujo time hanley and he will disappoint you as well. Cujo has shown some weaknesses himself. Like the time he was put in a shootout, he had huge portions of the net wide open. Although I can't blame that all on him he was cold after sitting the whole game and then being thrown in a shootout, that was Ron Wilson's fault, but still Cujo couldn't have done any worse. He looked like a first year midget goalie standing in the net. He is too old and not playing good enough to be Toronto's starter for the rest of the year.
that shootout he was cold. was not his fault shootouts are stupid hockey is supposed to be a team effort not an individual effort. He's not that old he's only 41 and still in great shape. He could have another good 2 years left in the NHL. He is the best goalie Toronto has. They just haven't given him a chance because Toskala is making the bigger bucks but they need to start Cujo more if they want to make it to the playoffs because playing Toskala isn't going to get you there. they are only 3 points away from 8th. They are close. They need to play the goalie that doesn't let in a lot of soft goals every game so they need to start Cujo a lot more often
Shootouts are part of the game dude, Goalies gotta practice for that stuff too. So basically one on one Cujo is weak but in a scramble he can sprawl around and get lucky is what your saying. He needs a lot of defensive help or he's useless |
| hanley6 |
Posted - 12/31/2008 : 17:15:27
quote:
Originally posted by Hustler90
Give Cujo time hanley and he will disappoint you as well. Cujo has shown some weaknesses himself. Like the time he was put in a shootout, he had huge portions of the net wide open. Although I can't blame that all on him he was cold after sitting the whole game and then being thrown in a shootout, that was Ron Wilson's fault, but still Cujo couldn't have done any worse. He looked like a first year midget goalie standing in the net. He is too old and not playing good enough to be Toronto's starter for the rest of the year.
that shootout he was cold. was not his fault shootouts are stupid hockey is supposed to be a team effort not an individual effort. He's not that old he's only 41 and still in great shape. He could have another good 2 years left in the NHL. He is the best goalie Toronto has. They just haven't given him a chance because Toskala is making the bigger bucks but they need to start Cujo more if they want to make it to the playoffs because playing Toskala isn't going to get you there. they are only 3 points away from 8th. They are close. They need to play the goalie that doesn't let in a lot of soft goals every game so they need to start Cujo a lot more often |
| Hustler90 |
Posted - 12/31/2008 : 08:03:58
Give Cujo time hanley and he will disappoint you as well. Cujo has shown some weaknesses himself. Like the time he was put in a shootout, he had huge portions of the net wide open. Although I can't blame that all on him he was cold after sitting the whole game and then being thrown in a shootout, that was Ron Wilson's fault, but still Cujo couldn't have done any worse. He looked like a first year midget goalie standing in the net. He is too old and not playing good enough to be Toronto's starter for the rest of the year. |
| hanley6 |
Posted - 12/31/2008 : 01:15:31
quote:
Originally posted by Hustler90
1 game man..1 game..don't get too excited. Wait till Cujo has a team shooting against him opposed to Kovalchuk firing shots from all angles.
Every time Cujo had to replace Toskala because of all of Toskala's stupid mistakes Cujo always played better, made more saves and hasn't let in any weak goals like Toskala does all the time |
| leafsfan_101 |
Posted - 12/30/2008 : 21:09:12
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Originally posted by hanley6
[quote]Originally posted by Hustler90
If I was Ron Wilson Toskala would be backup to Cujo for the rest of the season
Well thank God you're not Ron Wilson! |
| Hustler90 |
Posted - 12/30/2008 : 20:13:10
1 game man..1 game..don't get too excited. Wait till Cujo has a team shooting against him opposed to Kovalchuk firing shots from all angles. |
| hanley6 |
Posted - 12/30/2008 : 19:36:41
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Originally posted by Hustler90
Yes, Cujo is in net tonight..It is halfway through the 2nd period. He hasn't seen too much action and let two goals in at the start of the game. I'm not satisified of yet but I haven't seen enough either.
Cujo played a great game. He never let in any weak goals tonight like we are all used to seeing Toskala do every game. None of the goals against were Cujo's fault, the second goal was Fingers fault Cujo made the save and Finger knocked the puck in his own net. Congrats Cujo on your 450th career win in his 1st start in a month. In my opinion lots more to come. If I was Ron Wilson Toskala would be backup to Cujo for the rest of the season |
| Hustler90 |
Posted - 12/30/2008 : 17:55:48
Yes, Cujo is in net tonight..It is halfway through the 2nd period. He hasn't seen too much action and let two goals in at the start of the game. I'm not satisified of yet but I haven't seen enough either. |
| Guest8815 |
Posted - 12/30/2008 : 17:39:00
Roloson went for a 1st, thats when he was backing Fernandez. A starter on any team will have more value than that. |
| hanley6 |
Posted - 12/30/2008 : 15:59:17
Tonight should be a good night for Toronto Cujo is playing so they should win |
| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 12/29/2008 : 08:25:10
If you are Brian Burke you have to weigh the pros and cons when it comes to dealing away Toskala.
Lets look at some potential cons.
You remove a number 1 goalie from your roster without having a safe bet to replace him. You throw Justin Pogge into the fire and either he sinks or swims, either ruining his career as a maple leaf or vaulting him into messiah status. A big risk. The potential return on Toskala right now, probably isnt very high considering his numbers this season. Could you get a first pick for him? Maybe come trade deadline a team would be desperate enough but its unlikley.
The only pro's I can see coming from trading him would be (like I mentioned above) the potential for Justin pogge to grab the ball and run with it or, on the flip side, the Leafs could finally tank the rest of a season and get a top pick in the draft with a crappy Cujo in net or an inexperienced Pogge.
Best case scenario in my opinion, trade Toskala for a 2nd and a 3rd round pick, also deal away a few core players (antropov, poni, Kubina) and try to finish in the bottom 2. Face it, the playoffs are not a possibility this year and why finish in no-mans land again?
Do the smart thing Burke, get this team a Franchise player and restock the embarassingly bare cupboard of prospects.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
| Guest2723 |
Posted - 12/29/2008 : 07:32:46
Toskala is a good goaltender, but the people who keep saying he is a top 10 better start lookin at other goalies, because I know damn well there is 10 goalies that are better. Toskala isn't amazing, He's not gonna get this team in playoff contention in the state their in now, that would be amazing. If Toronto decides to get a solid defense, and a scoring offense, then yes Toskala could get Toronto somewhere because he is a solid goalie. He is not a Martin Brodeur. If you threw Toskala on Detroit he could have a chance at winning the cup, along with most any other goalie, but put him on Toronto hes not gonna pull them out of the sand box. Hes good but he doesn't have the talent to turn a team around. He's gonna steady out, He is not going to make Toronto better or worse. Hes not the problem the Leafs should be looking to solve. |
| hanley6 |
Posted - 12/29/2008 : 00:08:50
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Originally posted by Guest2794
Are you drunk? I really hope your joking and not this stupid. Why you wouldn't want Pogge to turn out like Price or Fleury is ridiculous. Saying Sabourin is better..umm did you never watch a game when Pittsburgh wasn't a star team and Fleury was peppered with shot after shot and pulled off amazing saves? Remember Fleury didnt always have a team in front of him, and from what I can remeber he had the worst defense in the NHL in front of him not so long ago and still stood is ground.
Making Cujo the starter. Maybe 10 years ago. Joseph hasn't won a game yet this year! He looks sloppy and i hate to say it but his age is starting to show. Trust me man he is good but Toskala is better as of now. Joseph in his prime was better but not now. Justin Pogge's attitude isn't that bad, in fact if you look on a Scouting report they say thats one of his positive traits.
hanley I have seen some pretty dumb comments, but yours might just be the most obscene and stupid I have ever seen. Please lay off the crack pipe
No I'm not drunk and I'm not joking Fleury's rookie year he played 2003-04 he started the season and started but he wasn't good enough yet. he played 21 games allowed 70 goals against had a save % of .896 and a goals against average of 3.64 recording 4 wins 14 losses and 2 OT losses. That's horrible then in 2005-06 season he becomes the Pens number 1 goalie playing 50 games allowed 152 goals had a save % .989 and goals against average of 3.25 recording 13 wins and 27 losses. Fleury is the kind of goalie that needs a good team in front of him to make himself look good, he's really nothing special. Sabourin could do better. Fleury lets s*** get to his head very easy makes him play weak. Fleury is also injury prone. He hasn't impressed me yet.
As for you saying that Cujo hasn't won a game yet this year he hasn't really been given a chance sitting out for 10 games in a row you're not in game shape you're not ready. But When Toskala allowed those 2 goal in the first 4 minutes against Buffalo and they pulled Toskala and allowed Cujo to come in Cujo played a great game sure he allowed 4 goals but he also made alot of great saves. Toskala came back in net and allowed 2 more goals so they both had 4 goals against each other that game but Cujo played better. Toskala does have his moments where he plays a good game but most of the time he flat out sucks, he allows alot of weak goals that he should have easily had.
you can say what you want about me saying obscene and stupid things and to stay off the crack pipe but that is my opinion, everyone has there own opinions and I'm sure alot of people agree with me about Fleury and Toskala. I strongly feel Toronto needs to sit Toskala out for acouple weeks and give Cujo a chance to prove himself and if that doesn't work Trade Toskala for something good. Mike Smith, Steve Mason and if Columbus wants Steve Mason as there number 1 I'd gladly trade toskala for Pascal Leclaire he had 9 shutouts last season and still hasn't fully been himself since coming back from his injury earlier this season, He'd still be better than Toskala |
| Leafs Rock Planet |
Posted - 12/28/2008 : 20:22:18
LF_101
I agree with you on every aspect of Toskala information that you threw out except for the fact that he would be the leagues best goalie with more size. He wouldnt be the leagues best goalie. Right now he is not a top 10 goalie. His fundamentals I would agree are among the best in the league and believe me the Leafs would be in the bottom of the league without him. But do you really think a 31 year old goalie who becomes a UFA after next season is the key to the rebuilding of a franchise though? I love Toskala, believe me. The first game he ever played with the leafs one of the first things that came out of my mouth was, "Wow, a Leafs goalie that can actually stop pucks." I dont think he is the goalie of the future for the Leafs and I dont want to see him being mis-treated by the Leafs. They cant have him walk for nothing as a UFA because I am sure the Leafs wouldnt be first on his list of teams to sign with. Why sign him to a contract extension now? That leaves you with only one option. Trading him. It doesnt have to be this season but maybe next year at the deadline and trade him to a team like LA maybe pushing for a last playoff position.
The bottom line is that Toskala is not the goalie that the Leafs will win a cup with but I love the guy as a goalie. |
| leafsfan_101 |
Posted - 12/28/2008 : 19:44:56
I honestly think Leafs fans are the dumbest fans in the NHL! I honestly do, because apart from myself and a few others there doesn't seem to be a thorugh knowledge of hockey, especially to do with the Leafs.
Toskala, although occasionally giving up the bad goal, is among the best positionally sound goalies, and he may have the best leg push in all of hockey! His agility is hig, his reflexes are good and he can ake the save then called upon. Besides a few weak ones (which LF_94 COULDN'T save), Toskala is among the best goalies in the league (well top 10 at least). I can guarentee you, 100%, that if Toskala was 6'2 or 6'4 instead of being 5'10 he would be the best goalie in the NHL. No question, he is absolutley phenominal positionally and is rock solid with his angles. If he covered a bit more net (he play like a large goalie often), he would be considered the best goalie.
On to the topic at hand, which teams would you trade Toskala to and for what? What would you get in return? Looking down some rosters, I can see only about 5-7 teams willing to take him, and many would not be able to with their current cap situation. Debate with me on this on, who would take him and for what? You will see it's not as black and white as you think.
BTW, please, Leafs fans, don't embarass me. Being in 25th place is bad enough. You boneheads make it worse. |
| Guest2794 |
Posted - 12/28/2008 : 18:58:57
quote:
Originally posted by hanley6
someone on here was asking why a lot of Leafs fans think it's necessary to blame a goalie. You can't blame a goalie unless if they are playing really bad and for the last 3 years that is the case Toskala should be blamed he makes way too many mistakes.. Cujo should be the number 1 goalie right now, Toskala is not number 1 material he's a decent back up, but he's not good enough to play 20 games in a season let alone 66 games. He is the weakest goalie in the league. I say they trade him off to Tampa Bay for Mike Smith. Mike Smith is an excellent goalie, I'd like to see him play for Toronto. When he played for Dallas he proved to be better than Marty Turco. And Mike Smith is playing awesome this year he just has a crappy team in front of him but at least he would help Toronto better than Toskala and that's for sure. Toronto has good defence in Schenn and Van Ryn. Kaberle sucks defenssively but he is good offenssively. Kubina should be traded we don't need him his salary is way too high and he's not worth it. But if Toronto wants to become a better team they need to get rid of Toskala for he is just a bad risk.
Are you drunk? I really hope your joking and not this stupid. Why you wouldn't want Pogge to turn out like Price or Fleury is ridiculous. Saying Sabourin is better..umm did you never watch a game when Pittsburgh wasn't a star team and Fleury was peppered with shot after shot and pulled off amazing saves? Remember Fleury didnt always have a team in front of him, and from what I can remeber he had the worst defense in the NHL in front of him not so long ago and still stood is ground.
Making Cujo the starter. Maybe 10 years ago. Joseph hasn't won a game yet this year! He looks sloppy and i hate to say it but his age is starting to show. Trust me man he is good but Toskala is better as of now. Joseph in his prime was better but not now. Justin Pogge's attitude isn't that bad, in fact if you look on a Scouting report they say thats one of his positive traits.
hanley I have seen some pretty dumb comments, but yours might just be the most obscene and stupid I have ever seen. Please lay off the crack pipe |
| hanley6 |
Posted - 12/28/2008 : 16:04:37
I don't want any rookie goalie in Toronto to be a Price or Fleury, They suck. The only thing they have going for them is they have a good team in front of them. Sabourin is Pittsburgh's best goalie by far... In a rookie goalie for Toronto I would like to see more like a Felix The Cat Potvin style goalie. That's what Toronto needs a goalie with Potvin's skills. Potvin is arguably the best goalie Toronto has had in at least 40 years |
| hanley6 |
Posted - 12/28/2008 : 15:57:30
there is a reason why Pogge has only played 1 game, he's not good enough for the NHL, and he has a bad attitude like Emery. We don't need that on Toronto |
| hanley6 |
Posted - 12/28/2008 : 15:55:14
someone on here was asking why a lot of Leafs fans think it's necessary to blame a goalie. You can't blame a goalie unless if they are playing really bad and for the last 3 years that is the case Toskala should be blamed he makes way too many mistakes.. Cujo should be the number 1 goalie right now, Toskala is not number 1 material he's a decent back up, but he's not good enough to play 20 games in a season let alone 66 games. He is the weakest goalie in the league. I say they trade him off to Tampa Bay for Mike Smith. Mike Smith is an excellent goalie, I'd like to see him play for Toronto. When he played for Dallas he proved to be better than Marty Turco. And Mike Smith is playing awesome this year he just has a crappy team in front of him but at least he would help Toronto better than Toskala and that's for sure. Toronto has good defence in Schenn and Van Ryn. Kaberle sucks defenssively but he is good offenssively. Kubina should be traded we don't need him his salary is way too high and he's not worth it. But if Toronto wants to become a better team they need to get rid of Toskala for he is just a bad risk. |
| Porkchop73 |
Posted - 12/28/2008 : 15:35:19
There is only one reason to trade Toskala, that is for picks, the Leafs do not have a 2nd and 3rd round pick in 2009 or 2010. Possibly get a young future player with the pick. Pogge is not quite ready and has a long way to go to be a star goalie. That being said, I don't know if bringing Pogge up for the rest of the season is such a bad idea, let him get in and build with the team, the Leafs really have not much to lose, and they will certainly see if Pogge is like Price or Fluery or will he be more of a Marc Denis. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 12/28/2008 : 15:12:04
All I can say is that if you put guys like Osgood, Legace, and Ellis ahead of Toskala, it is done purely on stats.
The sick thing about this whole thread is that if the TO fans that want to run Toskala out of town and bring in Pogge got their wish, they would also get their wish in drafting Tavares. The Leafs are 5-8 fewerwins without Toskala and 10-12 fewer wins with Pogge as the starter.
The even sicker thing about this is that these same guys calling for Toskala's head today would be calling for Pogge's head inside of one season.
For those good Leaf fans out there, forgive me. This is not intended towards you. For those other Leaf fans, give you head a shake. |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 12/27/2008 : 09:31:38
top 10 in the league?????? whoa whoa whoa ,, has the potential to be top 10 maybe but putting up his numbers playing the amount of bad games he plays come on there are at least 15 maybe even 20 goalies ahead of Vesa i mean im not saying he is a backup he is a starting calibre goalie in the nhl but to put him anywhere near the top tier??? no way jose!! wow i mean nabokov luongo lundquvist brodeur kipper ellis backstrom thomas huet osgood legace miller all the guys there isn;t even an argument to be made they are all better than toskala and there are more......
Pasty |
| Guest2741 |
Posted - 12/27/2008 : 09:12:28
If anything, Toskaka is keeping Toronto alive in this league. Toskala is not Toronto's problem, its the team around him. Think about it, Why did Toskala do better in San Jose? because he had an offense in front of him. Toronto regulary outshoots their opponents but none of the team knows how to put the puck in the net. Anybody can fire a puck on net, but a good player scores now in again. Not many of the shots Toronto takes go in. If I was Brian Burke I wouldn't even think about trading Toskala. I'd look at moving guys like Jeff Finger or Alexei Ponikarovsky, possibly Antropov or one of the others guys that have been on Toronto for a few years now and have shown nothing. |
| Leafs Rock Planet |
Posted - 12/27/2008 : 07:34:59
quote:
Originally posted by Leafsfan_94
Guest8815 :LF_94 I don't understand this, you want to trade Toskala, who is a very solid goalie and drop Cujo so you can have the new "solid" goalie, and Pogge
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toskala is not a solid goalie,HE SUCKS get that through your head, Joseph is washed up, and they have been babying pogge, for years, 2 so far going on 3. he is proven himself, to be a good goalie over the years with the marlies, even his stats so far this year, are pretty good considering the marlies are sucking. Toskala is not getting the job done, and neither is CuJo. i seriously think they should just go for it and trade toskala, make pogge the number one goalie. i can tell he doesnt like it in the AHL.if they trade toskala, possibly get a new solid starter, and make pogge backup, but playing a good amount of games then why not? they have nothing to lose so far, its only christmas. i know toskala can make some big saves, and ive noticed games where he makes highlight reel saves, and still manages to let in 5-7 goals. i know he doesnt have the best defence infront of him, but some of the goals he let in, a 4 year old could of stopped!
Leafsfan_94
Okay now I dont agree with you one bit.
Toskala does not suck. In no way is Toskala a bad goalie. The season he is having is not a good one. His rebound control has not been great and hes let in some questionable goals. Remember the team in front of him specifically the defence in front of him is by no means good. Possibly the worst in the NHL beside the teams like LA, PHX, and ATL.
And by no means has Pogge been proven in the AHL. There is nothing you can say about that. The Marlies made it to the conference finals last year and im pretty sure it was Clemmensen that backstoped them all the way there. No way is he proven. I just like the idea of throwing him in because the Leafs have NOTHING TO LOSE. Pogge comes up and does great then theres a positive. If he comes up and does crap then the Leafs suck and let the rebuliding begin.
Now 8815 you are saying that it will just ruin him as a goalie to be on such a bad team. Steve Mason is playing with Columbus right now who are maybe a worse team the Toronto. Does that mean you think it will ruin his promising career?
Oh and LF94 I failed to mention in my first post that you are crazy for saying Andrew Raycroft is a better goalie then Toskala. Oh but theres obviously no facts to back it up because there never is with you. Besides the measly reasoning that Raycroft had more wins.
Now the idea of trading Toskala is intriguing. Him in a package could get a 1st round pick in my opinion. Now the question is where do you move him to and who will take him. |
| Guest8815 |
Posted - 12/26/2008 : 21:03:11
quote:
Originally posted by Leafsfan_94
what exactly are you trying to say?
Leafsfan_94
You want a more solid goalie than Toskala. Okay tell me some. And on top of that tell me a goalie that is better than Toskala, that a team would trade straight across for Toskala. |
| DangleFest89 |
Posted - 12/25/2008 : 16:36:56
guest 8115 nailed it so call him up he plays great they lose first round he plays like crap hes loses his confidents becomes a john carey |
| Leafsfan_94 |
Posted - 12/25/2008 : 13:27:47
what exactly are you trying to say?
Leafsfan_94
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| Guest8815 |
Posted - 12/25/2008 : 12:29:33
quote:
Originally posted by Leafsfan_94
Guest8815 :LF_94 I don't understand this, you want to trade Toskala, who is a very solid goalie and drop Cujo so you can have the new "solid" goalie, and Pogge
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toskala is not a solid goalie,HE SUCKS get that through your head, Joseph is washed up, and they have been babying pogge, for years, 2 so far going on 3. he is proven himself, to be a good goalie over the years with the marlies, even his stats so far this year, are pretty good considering the marlies are sucking. Toskala is not getting the job done, and neither is CuJo. i seriously think they should just go for it and trade toskala, make pogge the number one goalie. i can tell he doesnt like it in the AHL.if they trade toskala, possibly get a new solid starter, and make pogge backup, but playing a good amount of games then why not? they have nothing to lose so far, its only christmas. i know toskala can make some big saves, and ive noticed games where he makes highlight reel saves, and still manages to let in 5-7 goals. i know he doesnt have the best defence infront of him, but some of the goals he let in, a 4 year old could of stopped!
Leafsfan_94
Tell me a goalie that's more solid than Toskala and would take a deal of Toskala for them. |
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