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Posted - 12/21/2006 : 09:54:35
Scoring is down in the NHL this year, from 6.1 goals per game to 5.8 goals per game. The League is seriously considering make the nets bigger. Good idea or bad idea? |
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| mytor4 |
Posted - 04/01/2008 : 19:51:00
quote:
Originally posted by Guest7235
im against it it would take those amazing saves and goals away.
Problem with this quote there are hardly any amazing saves your trying to talk about . Most save are just cover as much of the net and hope the puck hits you.God theres nothing i hate more than seeing a player raise his stick to take a slapshot and the goalie drops to his knees long before the player commits on the shot.Saves like that look so amaturish. Where has all the skill of playing net gone to when size is more important than reflexes and ability . Could you see the great Bobby Hull comming down the wing and unleashing his great booming shot knowing it' would take a miracule to score from there. thats what hockey is missing today ,down the wing and blasting a great shot pass the goalies, it's part of the game. i agree scoring doesn't make the game but scoring CHANCES is all what the game is about and that is now left to one spot on the ice -roughly the slot.
57 career losses,46 shutouts and 5 vezina trophys.6 Stanley Cup rings in 8 yrs |
| mytor4 |
Posted - 04/01/2008 : 19:43:12
I think they should take for instance a 1st yr Roy with his EQ and see how much net is being covered % wise. Then take a todays Giguere with his EQ and see how much net he is covering % wise what you have left is the % the shooters have. For arguement sake lets just say Roy covers 60% of the net that leaves 40% for the shooters. Then resize the nets accordenley when Giguere is in the nets so the shooters still have that 40% to shot at. I don't like the ideal of bigger nets but i hate the bigger EQ more. As Ken Dryden said todays goalie use there EQ more to stop the shot than using it for protection. I Iwould like the shooters of today to have the same amount of open area to shoot at as the ones from the early 80's. I'm one that is for either bring down all that oversized EQ that a lot of goalie 's are using today or if forced be the goalies upsize the nets. To be fair give the goalies a choice.No debating they pick which option they HAVE TO GO WITH.
57 career losses,46 shutouts and 5 vezina trophys.6 Stanley Cup rings in 8 yrs |
| Antroman |
Posted - 04/01/2008 : 15:56:40
It used to be dump the puck off to your team mate and then impede the progress of your check and then the guy you gave the puck to shuffles it back to a third guy as you impeded your check allowing the last guy with the puck to scoot right in unmolested. You can't do that stuff anymore. The result is simply goal scoring and scoring chances are down. The only thing that keeps the scoring even close to what it was before the new NHL is the fact there are more power plays now. Five on five play has become downright boring on too many nights this season. I think the glory days of the NHL with the Orr's and Gretzky's and others is over and making the nets bigger is not going to make a significant difference. The Canadian game has been taken away from us and will never return. Thanks again Gary!!!!!!! |
| bertrand19 |
Posted - 04/01/2008 : 14:38:46
maybe it would make andrew raycroft play better, o wait he sucks that bad |
| bertrand19 |
Posted - 04/01/2008 : 14:37:04
yet another rediculous idea from Gary Bettmen. whats he trying to do play soccer, and dosent that have less goals than hockey....what an idiot!! |
| Alex |
Posted - 04/01/2008 : 14:18:34
This is getting out of hand. The NHL has seen dead eras before and will see them again. OK, so for the time being the NHL may be defensive minded -- what of it? Why do the forwards deserve to have rules made for them? What about the poor goalies or defencemen?
I can see a day where any half decent NHLer will be netting as many as Rocket Richard did. Why change the rules? Why not just be a little patient, sit back, and watch history unfold?
All these new teams, all these new rules -- they are not needed and they are destroying tradition, in my humble opinion.
The shootout is pointless other than for fans, penalties are not what they used to be... The NHL is trying to hard to make things perfect without taking the time to let things settle, in my opinion.
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| Axey |
Posted - 04/01/2008 : 13:29:00
Let the game be ... it will only cause controversy in stats and what not ... just leave it |
| Antroman |
Posted - 04/01/2008 : 09:01:42
Guess 4044 ---- The NBA has actually elevated the baskets on a couple of occasions over the years because the players just kept getting taller.
My personal opinion as you might already guess is.....leave our bloody game alone. The reason goal scoring is down is because coaches today coach a much more disiplined defensive systems. The players today are not allowed to hook, hold and interfere like they used to so we have a very up tempo stick checking and zone defense style of game played at a high pace by players that for the most part can really fly. Believe it or not the hooking, holding and interference created a lot more room out there for the skilled guys to move the puck. Simply put, while you were holding or interfering with the other opponents on the ice your skill guys had open ice to manouver. Now we have ten skaters out there playing their coaches systems totally unimpeded and it is wrecking havoc on the other teams offense. There is nowhere near the two on ones and breakaways that their used to be. This is another reason you see less and less slow players on either side of the puck. There used to be jobs for slower guys that could score or had a specialty to offer a team but they have been for the most part pretty much phased out now. It is a game of speed and tactics in the new NHL......enlarging the nets is not going to fix it. Maybe enlarging the ice surface would help the new game but you won't see that because they would have to give up the revenue they garnered from the lost seating. |
| Guest5684 |
Posted - 04/01/2008 : 01:01:33
Get off my account Matt! Geez I leave for a few minutes to do something and the next thing I know he's on my computer posting stuff on my account. RRRRRR But, I am glad he agrees with me. Anyway, I'm a Legace fan! Go St. Louis! Ha Matt! |
| Guest5684 |
Posted - 04/01/2008 : 00:55:18
Guest5684, I completely agree with everything you said. It was too long to quote though, sorry
I will stop watching if they increase the net sizes, yes because i think its one of the most retarded things they've ever come up with, but more importantly, I'm a huge Luongo fan and he's really what got me into hockey, in my opinion he's the best goalie in the league (not of all time, but currently). Him threatening to retire scares me! I'm not from Vancouver, I live in California, but I'm a huge Canucks fan because of Roberto. If he quits I have no desire to watch hockey anymore. I don't care how silly that may seem to some people but if my hockey hero (the reason I got into hockey) wants to quit hockey for something he believes is a good enough reason, then I will show my support by not watching hockey anymore. |
| Guest5684 |
Posted - 04/01/2008 : 00:46:29
Increasing the size of the nets is seriously the stupidest thing I've ever heard of!
First of all, that changes the whole game and it changes all the previous records. Records from then on couldn't be compared with the previous records. It just ruins the stats completely. I can't believe they're freaking out because scoring is down by 0.3!
Second, for the goalie himself, it changes everything he's practiced and learned his whole hockey life. Just a couple inches changes everything. The goalie has learned the angles and everything, how far over he needs to be to stop the puck from going in the net...etc.
Also, do they think more scoring will help bring in fans? A game that ends 8-5 or something becomes less exciting. Do you see how crazy hockey fans get when a goal is scored? In other sports that are high scoring you get barely any reaction from the crowd. This is because you appreciate the goal more because its not happening every minute. This makes the game more exciting.Of course you don't want the 1-0 games every game, but that doesn't happen every game.
And why are they trying to please people who aren't even hockey fans, they are only going to lose their die hard fans that spend big bucks on their teams. Promote the game of course, but not by changing it to please the people who aren't fans. If you really need to change something about the goalie position, don't screw around with the nets, change the equipment if you have to, but personally I like the game the way it is and I know a lot of people agree with me. If they keep screwing around with the game I will stop watching! |
| Patchy |
Posted - 03/20/2007 : 13:54:58
Baad idea! Just becuase scoring is down .3 gpg...they're just trying to find a way to alter the game. As usual.
~~Go Leafs Go~~ |
| Saku Steen |
Posted - 03/20/2007 : 13:35:32
Sorry Ultimatetitman, but I think he has already. |
| ultimatetitman |
Posted - 03/20/2007 : 12:04:21
Stupid idea. Let's just change every single aspect of the game.
Ya know, if Commissioner Buttman gets his way, he will actually make the nets smaller... make them round, and put them 10' above the ice. Then he'll eliminate body contact, take off the equipment, eliminate goalies, and change the ice to a wood floor.
This guy is an @$$clown, and ought to be removed from his position immediately before he bastardizes the game to something no Canadian recognizes. |
| ED11 |
Posted - 03/19/2007 : 21:20:23
The NHL is going insane. Horrible idea. PERIOD! |
| Guest7235 |
Posted - 03/19/2007 : 18:30:26
im against it it would take those amazing saves and goals away. |
| Guest4785 |
Posted - 01/02/2007 : 14:40:41
quote:
Originally posted by Blubberboy
quote:
Originally posted by bablaboushka
Yeah they should, if they let goalies have rifles.
I agree.
What the heck are the NHL thinking?
I quote "Ohmygod, scoring is down 0.3 goals a game".  So???
It is not how many goals there are, it is how interesting the game is.
Some times if it is too many goals it is boring.
Whatev.
Go Vancouver
Ya, everyone hates a game with goals galore. I |
| Blubberboy |
Posted - 12/28/2006 : 09:39:18
quote:
Originally posted by bablaboushka
Yeah they should, if they let goalies have rifles.
I agree.
What the heck are the NHL thinking?
I quote "Ohmygod, scoring is down 0.3 goals a game". So???
It is not how many goals there are, it is how interesting the game is.
Some times if it is too many goals it is boring.
Whatev.
Go Vancouver |
| Guest0887 |
Posted - 12/27/2006 : 19:56:51
quote:
Originally posted by blade
I'm ok with it as long as the shape stays the same. that bubbled look is rediculous! just build it 1 inch taller and 2 inches wider.
Let's face it, even with the smaller gear goalies started wearing last year, goalies are a lot bigger than they were in the past. it used to be that a guy Ken Drydens size was a rarity but now it's the norm.
slightly bigger nets good, weird shaped nets bad.
Not only are the goalies better but the players are much, much better too. If the players are getting one-piece sticks that shoot 100 m/h then the nets should stay the same. Screw the bigger nets man. It will make the games ridiculously high scoring and extremely boring! Also, the goaltenders would all have to change their style. Butterfly wouldn't work anymore because people would just shoot over and around you. Stupid idea! Leave the nets alone! |
| Guest4689 |
Posted - 12/25/2006 : 18:20:04
No!!!
That would be way to easy to score.
Go Canucks |
| Guest4044 |
Posted - 12/25/2006 : 12:11:52
quote:
Originally posted by Guest4689
quote:
Originally posted by bablaboushka
Yeah they should, if they let goalies have rifles.
Seiriously. that is the stupidist thing I ever heard of
I thought it was kind of funny |
| bablaboushka |
Posted - 12/25/2006 : 08:29:11
It was a tad bit sarcastic. |
| Guest4689 |
Posted - 12/24/2006 : 22:24:44
quote:
Originally posted by bablaboushka
Yeah they should, if they let goalies have rifles.
Seiriously. that is the stupidist thing I ever heard of |
| Guest4044 |
Posted - 12/22/2006 : 20:43:05
I haven't heard of the NBA raising the hight of the baskets because players are taller. don't touch the nets...or vinnie will be bustin heads. |
| Guest7299 |
Posted - 12/22/2006 : 13:17:30
[img][/img] First u make the goalies equipment smaller and limit where they can play the puck> Give the players better sticks better mobility in the zones because of no more clutching or grabbing like come on give the goalies a break. I beleive making the nets bigger will accomplish nothing the goalies are so good i don't think scoring will go up much with bigger nets. this is a bad idea and i don't think they should enforceb it. |
| Guest8306 |
Posted - 12/22/2006 : 13:12:48
11) also more goals lessens the value of a goal. lacrosse goals are not exciting because they happen so often. ruining the value of a goal would be very stupid |
| Guest8306 |
Posted - 12/22/2006 : 11:56:50
Bigger nets are not the answer for a number of reasons:
1) since when did that fans say they wanted more scoring?
2) yes its true the goaltender equipment is lighter but weight has nothing to do with net coverage, goalies reach and range of motion has not changed-I do not see any goalies popping their shoulders out of their socketst o make a glove or blocker save-flexibility has maybe increased range of motion, but that comes from hard work and hours of stretching-a 100 mph slapshot is the result of working hard in the gym and on the ice so why should it be any different
3) the original goalie pads were 12 inches wide, I didnt see them complaining about scoring then
34) If they want to increase the scoring for the fans, then then would be doing it in a way that fans dont like if they make the nets bigger
5) when you have, toskala, kipprusoff, brodeur, nabakov, nittymaki, lundquist, hasek, giguere, turco, mason, fleury, khabibulin, luongo, roloson, miller, fernandez, belfour, lehtonen, and jose theodore playing goal and the scoring is still around 6 per game, it shows that the rules changes from last year are enough to keep the scoring higher
6) if attendance and revenue are up then why change the productthe nhl has made with the new rule changes. fans have not been complaining about the whopping .3 difference in goals, and if the change is supposed to be for the fans, than it wouldnt make any sense to change the nets
7) im sure there are more people that would stop watching hockey because of bigger nets than people that would start watching it because of bigger nets
8) if the dreadful decison is made to mkae the nets bigger, they should definitely not make the nets taller, absolutely not, there will be more goalie injuries, goalie revolts, goalie strikes, and more chaos than one could imagine. making the nets taller is bad for the game period. most everyone is against it.
9) what would they do about records? If Crosby broke Gretzkys records with hte bigger nets would they say he really broke Gretzkys recorrds? I dont think Crosby would want bigger nets for that reason.
10) goalies are fans too, and they definitely dont want bigger nets. multiply evey hockey team in the North America by 2 and that would roughly be the number of goalies that would be upset by the bigger nets. that many less satisfied fans is never a good thing.
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| Guest6451 |
Posted - 12/22/2006 : 06:49:10
what a bunch of bs
goalies have a hard time now so y make it harder  |
| Guest9811 |
Posted - 12/21/2006 : 23:53:02
Look at the games from the 80's... goalies take up too much space today. The NHL will never bring the gear down enough to make a difference due to safety. Push the posts and crossbars out an inch. |
| Guest4526 |
Posted - 12/21/2006 : 21:05:43
HOLY SH!T! Goals are down 0.3 percent! The game is so much less interesting! WTF are we going to do? Lets wreck the tradition of hockey and tamper with nets, the same size nets kids and adults have played with their whole lives! Yes, that should do it!
Lets see here: Buffalo 9 Philidelphia 1 (Total goals 10)
Edmonton 2 Calgary 1 (Total goals 3)
Yes, more goals is definately good and makes games so much more interesting (This isn't always the case, but in a 3 goal game, it's most likely going to be very close). |
| B-rett10 |
Posted - 12/21/2006 : 20:17:18
No, I wouldn't like that the nets are fine the way they are. |
| Guest9120 |
Posted - 12/21/2006 : 18:00:35
quote:
Originally posted by blade
I'm ok with it as long as the shape stays the same. that bubbled look is rediculous! just build it 1 inch taller and 2 inches wider.
Let's face it, even with the smaller gear goalies started wearing last year, goalies are a lot bigger than they were in the past. it used to be that a guy Ken Drydens size was a rarity but now it's the norm.
slightly bigger nets good, weird shaped nets bad.
I totally agree. Look at the goalies in 1983 when Gretzky was scoring 92 goals. They looked like most of the guys now look with their equipment off! Change isn't always bad, and I'd classify myself as a traditionalist, normally. I think it's less a change than just evening out the advantage goalies have gotten with lighter, bigger equipment. |
| Mikhailova |
Posted - 12/21/2006 : 17:59:56
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
Stupid Bettman!
LOL Bettman looks like a vampire I swear, all he needs is a black cloak and a Romanian accent and we've got Dracula as the commissioner of the NHL!  |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 12/21/2006 : 17:33:00
I thought the idea of the CBA and the rule changes was to put a more exciting and competative product on the ice, not to score more goals. When you look at the league in the years prior to the strike, there was a clear separate of high quality teams and those who could not compete. Last year with the new rules and more of a level playing field with salaries, their were only 7 of 30 teams under .500. This year is the same. I just don't understand why the NHL would think of messing things up again. Attendance was way up last year, even coming off a strike. Revenues were up too. This year, from what I have heard, revenue will be up again. Why change something that is already working well.
Stupid Bettman! |
| Guest0024 |
Posted - 12/21/2006 : 17:03:52
soccer nets ftw |
| Mikhailova |
Posted - 12/21/2006 : 15:44:01
Yes. You said it. Scoring data changes, all long-term data collections change, it's called statistics. |
| leigh |
Posted - 12/21/2006 : 15:38:19
The scoring will ebb and flow throughout time. Right now it's down .3 and in a few years it will be up a .7 etc. etc. Just let it be!!!! No more changes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Mikhailova |
Posted - 12/21/2006 : 15:22:48
Yeah really. If they make the nets bigger what're they gonna do when the goals per game average drops by another 0.3 points? Make the nets bigger again? You can't just keep adding inches to the net to keep the number of goals in a game up to a certain level. |
| bablaboushka |
Posted - 12/21/2006 : 14:59:57
It's just flat out too much screwing with the game. |
| Trevman12 |
Posted - 12/21/2006 : 14:55:18
I think that even more scoring would be fun for fans to watch. |
