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| irvine |
Posted - 10/29/2007 : 15:41:58
Who will win the 07/08 points scoring race?
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| 40 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| PuckNuts |
Posted - 01/11/2008 : 08:35:14
Player rankings as of Jan 10, 2008, compared to the first 10 games.
Where a "-" appears means that the player was not in the top 60 after 10 games...
Half Way Point After 10 Games
RK Player Team GP G A P Rnk Gms Pts
1 V Lecavalier TBL 44 28 35 63 46 7 8
2 Ilya Kovalchuk ATL 45 36 25 61 - - -
3 Jarome Iginla CGY 44 32 28 60 3 10 16
4 Sidney Crosby PIT 43 18 41 59 - - -
5 H Zetterberg DET 40 27 29 56 1 10 18
6 D Alfredsson OTT 41 26 30 56 6 9 13
7 Dany Heatley OTT 42 25 30 55 17 9 11
8 Pavel Datsyuk DET 45 17 37 54 22 10 11
9 Alex Ovechkin WSH 43 32 20 52 - - -
10 Jason Spezza OTT 36 15 37 52 16 9 12
11 M St. Louis TBL 44 17 34 51 56 7 9
12 Joe Thornton SJS 42 13 36 49 30 9 10
13 Mike Ribeiro DAL 43 22 26 48 - - -
14 Evgeni Malkin PIT 43 20 28 48 49 8 8
15 Mats Sundin TOR 44 20 28 48 2 10 17
16 Ryan Getzlaf ANA 44 17 31 48 - - -
17 K Huselius CGY 44 20 27 47 24 10 10
18 Mike Richards PHI 41 19 28 47 26 8 10
19 Marc Savard BOS 42 10 35 45 38 7 9
20 Vaclav Prospal TBL 44 19 25 44 23 7 10
21 Paul Stastny COL 43 15 29 44 5 9 14
22 Marian Gaborik MIN 38 22 21 43 - - -
23 Ray Whitney CAR 44 20 23 43 - - -
24 Daniel Briere PHI 41 16 26 42 15 8 12
25 Brenden Morrow DAL 46 16 26 42 - - -
26 Henrik Sedin VAN 43 7 35 42 53 10 9
27 Eric Staal CAR 46 23 18 41 11 10 12
28 Olli Jokinen FLA 44 20 21 41 - - -
29 Alex Kovalev MTL 43 19 22 41 - - -
30 Cory Stillman CAR 43 19 22 41 28 7 10
31 Shawn Horcoff EDM 45 18 23 41 - - -
32 Anze Kopitar LAK 45 17 24 41 14 10 12
33 Daniel Sedin VAN 43 20 20 40 29 10 10
34 Zach Parise NJD 42 16 24 40 - - -
35 Scott Gomez NYR 44 10 30 40 - - -
36 Nick Lidstrom DET 45 4 36 40 - - -
37 Daymond Langkow CGY 43 16 23 39 4 10 14
38 Patrick Kane CHI 43 9 30 39 7 9 13
39 Corey Perry ANA 46 23 15 38 42 11 8
40 Marian Hossa ATL 42 16 22 38 - - -
41 Tomas Plekanec MTL 43 14 24 38 - - -
42 Jaromir Jagr NYR 44 12 26 38 55 8 8
43 Dustin Brown LAK 43 22 15 37 45 10 8
44 Rick Nash CBJ 41 22 15 37 13 8 12
45 Paul Kariya STL 41 12 25 37 20 7 11
46 Shane Doan PHX 41 11 26 37 - - -
47 Matt Cullen CAR 39 8 29 37 - - -
48 Brian Rafalski DET 45 7 30 37 52 10 10
49 Nik Antropov TOR 44 16 20 36 12 10 12
50 Jason Arnott NSH 41 15 21 36 - - -
51 Rod Brind'Amour CAR 45 15 21 36 9 10 13
52 Brad Richards TBL 44 11 25 36 - - -
53 Brad Boyes STL 41 23 12 35 39 7 8
54 Joffrey Lupul PHI 39 16 19 35 - - -
55 Markus Naslund VAN 43 14 21 35 - - -
56 M Nylander WSH 39 10 25 35 - - -
57 J Pominville BUF 42 10 25 35 - - -
58 P-Marc Bouchard MIN 43 7 28 35 - - -
59 Sergei Zubov DAL 44 4 31 35 - - -
60 Patrick Sharp CHI 41 21 13 34 - - -
Of coarse you know that this means war!
- - Bugs Bunny
http://www.maldesigns.ca/top50since1967.htm
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| Guest4912 |
Posted - 01/11/2008 : 08:09:49
its obvious that kovalchuck is gunna win the goals race with a guy like hossa feeding him pucks how could you not win the crown kovalchuck for sure. (he is also 1st in the league right now for goals) |
| irvine |
Posted - 01/10/2008 : 23:09:30
Thanks for that Pucknuts, useful information.
Sorry this slipped, I forgot about it since no one has posted here for awhile.
It seems like it may be a tight race this season. Top 10 Point getters at this point of the season:
1. Lecavlier - 63
2. Kovulchuk - 60
3. Iginla - 60
4. Crosby - 59
5. Alfreddson - 55
6. Heatley - 55
7. Zetterberg - 54
8. Datsyuk - 53
9. Ovechkin - 52
10. Spezza - 52
Wow, three of the top ten are Senators ad two are Red Wings.
11 Points seperates 1 to 10.
Irvine |
| PuckNuts |
Posted - 11/23/2007 : 14:32:28
Crosby's scoring is a lot more balanced this season than it was last season. Here are some interesting stats, after 1/4 of the season.
Last season at 22 games he had 10G 24A 34P 24PIM
Season Totals:
0 point games 19.
3 point games 10.
4 point games 4.
6 point games 1.
This season at 22 games he has 11G 20A 31P 22PIM
Totals so far:
0 point games 2.
3 point games 0.
4 point games 1.
6 point games 0.
I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan
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| Beans15 |
Posted - 11/23/2007 : 14:03:11
Crosby, after a 1/4 way through the season is on pace to get 115 points. That means, for him to hit the 140+ that some on here think he will get, he has to average 1.81PPG the rest of the way. Not sure he has the team to do it. I still say less than 130 but more than 110.
Lecavalier, just FYI, has 21 points in his last 8 games. 2.62 PPG is Gretzky/Lemiuex/Orr like numbers.
Not saying the streak will continue, but I can't remember the last time there was a guy this hot for more than a game or two.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
| fly4apuckguy |
Posted - 11/18/2007 : 20:49:39
quote:
Originally posted by irvine
quote:
Originally posted by nashvillepreds
Mccabe was actually the leading scorer, wow.
GO PREDATORS GO
He still is the leading scorer. For GAOG. Goals Against Own Goaltender. :) :) :)
Irvine
Toskala should have saved that one. It'sall Vesa's fault. |
| irvine |
Posted - 11/18/2007 : 15:30:17
quote:
Originally posted by nashvillepreds
Mccabe was actually the leading scorer, wow.
GO PREDATORS GO
He still is the leading scorer. For GAOG. Goals Against Own Goaltender. :) :) :)
Irvine |
| rross |
Posted - 11/18/2007 : 07:28:07
I believe it will come down to Lecavalier and Crosby with Crosby winning by a small margin.
Go Habs Go!! |
| nashvillepreds |
Posted - 11/18/2007 : 06:20:22
Mccabe was actually the leading scorer, wow.
GO PREDATORS GO |
| fly4apuckguy |
Posted - 11/16/2007 : 17:18:13
quote:
Originally posted by PuckNuts
quote:
Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
Has anyone besides me noticed that Sid has gone from 23rd to fourth in league scoring in the last three games, and has played fewer games than the guys ahead of him?
He'll be in first place by next Sunday. Book it.
I saved a file of the top scorers after 10 games, I will post it along with the top scorers 41 games in, and at the end of the season, most people do not realize how many players are at the top to start the season, but flutter away to nothing by the middle, and end...
I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan
How true...like a couple years ago whan Bryan McCabe was leading the league in scoring for awhile (and I recall shout sof "the Next Bobby Orr" out of TO)...yikes. |
| irvine |
Posted - 11/16/2007 : 15:33:03
quote:
Originally posted by nashvillepreds
[quote]Originally posted by Alex
Crosby is solid. None of these other guys are.
The only guy I think might even come close to Crosby is Thronton. He;'s known for great second halves. He's behind all the 1st round picks in my pool but I'm confident he will step it up and challenge Crosby again this year.
As for Lecavelier? He'll be somewhere back in about 5th-10th in league scoring.
GO PREDATORS GO
I would have to agree with that. I can see Lecavelier finishing around 4th-10th. And Thornton will be top 3.
Irvine |
| nashvillepreds |
Posted - 11/16/2007 : 14:51:50
quote:
Originally posted by Alex
Crosby is solid. None of these other guys are.
But I think Lecavalier could take it. He definitely isn't Mr. consistent, not by a long shot. But his hot and cold streaks might just push him past Sid the Kid. The safe money is on Sid.
I want Crosby to take it. Or Sundin. It would be nice for a 36 year old.
Sundin is better at thiry six than most of the NHL
The only guy I think might even come close to Crosby is Thronton. He;'s known for great second halves. He's behind all the 1st round picks in my pool but I'm confident he will step it up and challenge Crosby again this year.
As for Lecavelier? He'll be somewhere back in about 5th-10th in league scoring.
GO PREDATORS GO |
| PuckNuts |
Posted - 11/15/2007 : 23:38:46
quote:
Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
Has anyone besides me noticed that Sid has gone from 23rd to fourth in league scoring in the last three games, and has played fewer games than the guys ahead of him?
He'll be in first place by next Sunday. Book it.
I saved a file of the top scorers after 10 games, I will post it along with the top scorers 41 games in, and at the end of the season, most people do not realize how many players are at the top to start the season, but flutter away to nothing by the middle, and end...
I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan
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| fly4apuckguy |
Posted - 11/15/2007 : 19:31:45
Zetterberg? Sundin?
People...
Are there any other mediocre to decent Swedes out there we could throw into the mix? How about Markus Naslund or maybe a Sedin twin? Kristian Huselius?
Lecavalier is at least in the same league as Crosby. Crosby is a much more consistent scorer than Vinny, though, so he'll win by 15-20 points at least.
It's not who scores in the first two months, it's who keeps scoring through those dog days of January that wins it.
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| Alex |
Posted - 11/15/2007 : 19:09:40
Crosby is solid. None of these other guys are.
But I think Lecavalier could take it. He definitely isn't Mr. consistent, not by a long shot. But his hot and cold streaks might just push him past Sid the Kid. The safe money is on Sid.
I want Crosby to take it. Or Sundin. It would be nice for a 36 year old.
Sundin is better at thiry six than most of the NHL |
| I HATE CROSBY |
Posted - 11/15/2007 : 18:56:09
I'm picking Lecavalier.....He plays pretty much non-stop on that one-line team (with the greatest coach ever!)....He's big, he's got great hands and a great linemate...He's older than Sid...so he knows more nooks and crannies about the show...And did you see vinnies highlight reel performance last night...Every goal was a beauty! How many nice goals/points has sid got this year...I'm guessing 2..His first goal of the season bumped off a leaf d-man...Sid gets garbage goals..But like I say about woman: a garbage goal's still a goal..But we'd all take the beauties if we had the choice!
Sugar Ray over Hasek any day! |
| Leafs Rock Planet |
Posted - 11/15/2007 : 18:42:16
quote:
Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
Vinny, nice streak. Have fun with it. Enjoy your time at the top. It won't last, I promise.
Ha, Lecavalier will not, by no meens at all win the scoring race this year.
Its going to come down to Zetterberg and Sid the kid. But Zetterbeg is going to pull it out in the end. Crosby will be a close 2nd though.
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| irvine |
Posted - 11/15/2007 : 15:49:12
Zetterberg leads the poll by 2% to win the scoring race! Amazing. I think it shows how many people vote based on who is currently leading, over who has the skill and talent to win it. lol.
Senators Nation. Leafs? Who?
Irvine |
| fly4apuckguy |
Posted - 11/15/2007 : 14:44:35
quote:
Originally posted by hkalirah
My pick is Thornton. Why has no one mentioned him yet? He only won it 2 years ago, and finished 2nd last year.
Go Wings Go!
Joe Thornton is looking more like Scott Thornton this year.
He doesn't get mentioned as much as the #1 because of a certain 20 year old who will not be denied.
Vinny, nice streak. Have fun with it. Enjoy your time at the top. It won't last, I promise.
Go Sid!!!! |
| hkalirah |
Posted - 11/15/2007 : 13:10:36
My pick is Thornton. Why has no one mentioned him yet? He only won it 2 years ago, and finished 2nd last year.
Go Wings Go! |
| LeafsFan4Life |
Posted - 11/15/2007 : 12:09:12
Go Lecavlier go i want him to win the scoring race this year...keep it up Vinny, keep that pesky kid off your heals
Long Live Hockey |
| fly4apuckguy |
Posted - 11/14/2007 : 20:22:51
Nicely done, Mr. Lecavalier. It will be a short reign. Sid plays the Islanders tomorrow night. |
| Guest8815 |
Posted - 11/14/2007 : 18:15:23
Vinny has taken the lead, 4 points tonight vs. Carolina and still a period to go. Otta boy Vinny, Im in 1st in my pool unless Thornton has a 6 point night tonight. |
| fly4apuckguy |
Posted - 11/13/2007 : 21:07:19
quote:
Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
Now what I really wanted to post - Crosby got two goals tonight. That puts him currently, at least until the Flames play tonight, into second place in league scoring, one point behind Zetterberg.
Tick-tock, Henrik. Enjoy it while you can.
TIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Zetterberg's point streak comes to a crashing halt!
GO SID!!!!!!
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| Greg Smith |
Posted - 11/06/2007 : 15:55:04
Thanks fly, sorry admin this is my last off topic post here.
After playing in the NHL, it's hard to watch hockey games. |
| fly4apuckguy |
Posted - 11/06/2007 : 15:39:40
quote:
Originally posted by Greg Smith
[quote]Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
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By the way fly, whp was your freind?
After playing in the NHL, it's hard to watch hockey games.
Sorry mods, just want to answer a question and then I'm out.
Greg Hubick. He had a "cup of coffee" as they say with the Leafs and Canucks in the late 70's. He played a lot with the Dallas Blackhawks, and then some in Europe. He's buddies with Tiger Williams, so I've met Tiger a few times, too. Nice guy - you wouldn't know he was a psycho on the ice (and in the stands) at times. |
| willus3 |
Posted - 11/06/2007 : 15:33:58
quote:
Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
It's a better game than it has ever been, but that's fine.
Completely disagree. Care to discuss in another thread?
"I'm a man of principle... or not. Whatever the situation calls for." - Alan Shore |
| admin |
Posted - 11/06/2007 : 15:20:01
Hey guys don't stray too far off topic please. This might be a great subject for a new thread. |
| Greg Smith |
Posted - 11/06/2007 : 15:08:01
quote:
Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
The most violent era of the NHL was the 1970's, during the Broadstreet Bullies days of the Philly Flyers. The Big Bad Bruins. A friend of mine who played with the Leafs in the 1970's said the Flyers ice makers used to shave a five inch band of ice in the corners, so that the puck would settle in the area, and the wingers could line you up better for a harder hit.
That is dead on. The flyers were the biggest meatheads I've ever seen. Not only did they shave the ice, they loosened the glass a couple of times to try to make their hits look bigger. They sent one of my teamates flying through. Also they used to scrape the ice going into their end so the opposition forwards couldn't skate fast enough to avoid their hits. The stupidest team I ever faced in my entire life.
By the way fly, whp was your freind?
After playing in the NHL, it's hard to watch hockey games. |
| fly4apuckguy |
Posted - 11/05/2007 : 19:25:23
quote:
Originally posted by andyhack
quote:
Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
I'd like to address what I think is the biggest falllacy thrust upon our youth of today regarding hockey's history....that it was some kind of gentlemanly, fair play competition between a bunch of Lady Byng award winners. That is false!
Yeah, it was pretty viloent back in the 70s when I was growing up, no doubt. The only caveat I would put in is that there were certain players for whom maybe it was understood (more clearly than today perhaps)that if you handle the wrong way all hell is going to break loose. Can you imagine how Wensink, Jonathon, O'Reilly and Milbury would have reacted if someone took a Downie-like run at Ratelle in the late 70s? In that sense there was perhaps a little more "Enforced Respect" than there is today.
It would have been taken care of on the ice, I agree. "Enforced Respect"... I like that. I may use that in my book someday. I'll send you a royalty cheque.
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| andyhack |
Posted - 11/05/2007 : 19:21:17
quote:
Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
I'd like to address what I think is the biggest falllacy thrust upon our youth of today regarding hockey's history....that it was some kind of gentlemanly, fair play competition between a bunch of Lady Byng award winners. That is false!
Yeah, it was pretty viloent back in the 70s when I was growing up, no doubt. The only caveat I would put in is that there were certain players for whom maybe it was understood (more clearly than today perhaps)that if you handle the wrong way all hell is going to break loose. Can you imagine how Wensink, Jonathon, O'Reilly and Milbury would have reacted if someone took a Downie-like run at Ratelle in the late 70s? In that sense there was perhaps a little more "Enforced Respect" than there is today. |
| fly4apuckguy |
Posted - 11/05/2007 : 18:51:02
Now what I really wanted to post - Crosby got two goals tonight. That puts him currently, at least until the Flames play tonight, into second place in league scoring, one point behind Zetterberg.
Tick-tock, Henrik. Enjoy it while you can. |
| fly4apuckguy |
Posted - 11/05/2007 : 18:48:56
quote:
Originally posted by Guest6199
Last post because i dont wanna argue with someone who has not been alive to watch hockey like I have been since 1966 when i was 23 years old. To contiune with what i was orignally saying it is a whole different game since the first couple of games that i watched with Gordie Howe, Stan Mikita, Bobby Hull, Phil Esposito, Henri Richard and a rockie Bobby Orr playing, showed me that the game could be played with finess and toughness and hockey was hockey with no real dirty plays, no crosschecking no hitting from behind no high sticks and yes only 6 teams and also the last time my Toronto Maple Leafs won the cup lol ...but i guess im not as old as fly4apuckguy, Yes players today now only have to go out and get stronger in the off season, which makes the league stronger it makes it more entertaining for stronger, younger and faster players, the league today is geared towards a youthfull players game where speed and skill are key. Where as before they players had to play with toughness and use their brains to play hockey. They also had to play with injuries and still had finished the games and in the old days the players for their summers had to go and work in grocery store to keep on their feet the players today are just all million dollar babies who whine when they get a sprained finger and cant finish the game. Where the guys of old where actually tough. Finally once the rest of the league starts preforming we should see a better race for the scoring title I think the players that are going to be near the top of the race are Ovechkin, Thorton, Lecavalier, Staal, and as much as it pains me to say it Crosby. I personally think it is to early in the season to tell who would win the race... have a nice day thanks for listening.
I'm 37, so I'm no teenager, my friend. In my 37 years, I've probably watched more hockey than most 60 year olds. I watch, on average, two full games a night if they are on, and a part of the west game if it isn't over yet. I'm watching Pens-Devils now, as soon as it is over I'm switching to Minnesota-Oil. Calgary - Avs after that.
If you dislike the NHL now, don't watch it. It's a better game than it has ever been, but that's fine.
I'd like to address what I think is the biggest falllacy thrust upon our youth of today regarding hockey's history....that it was some kind of gentlemanly, fair play competition between a bunch of Lady Byng award winners. That is false! What about this night in 1969:
"1969 - In a pre-season game held in Ottawa, Ted Green of the Boston Bruins and Wayne Maki of the St.Louis Blues engaged in a violent, stick-swinging brawl. A factured skull and brain damage caused Green to miss the entire 1969-1970 NHL season."
Or this from Liam Maguire, whom Imany regard as the foremost expert on hockey's history, period, talking about how American media has presented modern hockey as violent, when really it is not, compared to the earlier days of the NHL:
"Charles Masson killed Owen McCourt with his stick in a game in 1908 but it was ruled inconclusive. Sprague Cleghorn was once asked how many fights he had in his NHL career and he replied, “do you mean just stretcher cases?” Eddie Shore almost killed Ace Bailey. Rocket Richard probably could have killed Hal Laycoe. Gordie Howe was suspended several times for attempt-to-injure an opponent. Bobby Orr dove into a Buffalo bench to fight Larry Hillman. Jean Beliveau once held the NHL record for the most penalty minutes in a season by a centreman. "
The most violent era of the NHL was the 1970's, during the Broadstreet Bullies days of the Philly Flyers. The Big Bad Bruins. A friend of mine who played with the Leafs in the 1970's said the Flyers ice makers used to shave a five inch band of ice in the corners, so that the puck would settle in the area, and the wingers could line you up better for a harder hit.
Checking from behind, into the boards and not, was legal, and went unpunished completely.
Still missing the good old days of non-violent hockey, or would you like to try again? You may be older than me, but don't think that means you naturally know more about the game and it's history. If that upsets you, I am sorry. If you choose to leave, that's fine I guess. I'd rather argue in a friendly manner, but I won't stop you. |
| Guest6199 |
Posted - 11/05/2007 : 08:12:22
Last post because i dont wanna argue with someone who has not been alive to watch hockey like I have been since 1966 when i was 23 years old. To contiune with what i was orignally saying it is a whole different game since the first couple of games that i watched with Gordie Howe, Stan Mikita, Bobby Hull, Phil Esposito, Henri Richard and a rockie Bobby Orr playing, showed me that the game could be played with finess and toughness and hockey was hockey with no real dirty plays, no crosschecking no hitting from behind no high sticks and yes only 6 teams and also the last time my Toronto Maple Leafs won the cup lol ...but i guess im not as old as fly4apuckguy, Yes players today now only have to go out and get stronger in the off season, which makes the league stronger it makes it more entertaining for stronger, younger and faster players, the league today is geared towards a youthfull players game where speed and skill are key. Where as before they players had to play with toughness and use their brains to play hockey. They also had to play with injuries and still had finished the games and in the old days the players for their summers had to go and work in grocery store to keep on their feet the players today are just all million dollar babies who whine when they get a sprained finger and cant finish the game. Where the guys of old where actually tough. Finally once the rest of the league starts preforming we should see a better race for the scoring title I think the players that are going to be near the top of the race are Ovechkin, Thorton, Lecavalier, Staal, and as much as it pains me to say it Crosby. I personally think it is to early in the season to tell who would win the race... have a nice day thanks for listening. |
| pensfan17 |
Posted - 11/04/2007 : 21:22:58
quote:
Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
Has anyone besides me noticed that Sid has gone from 23rd to fourth in league scoring in the last three games, and has played fewer games than the guys ahead of him?
He'll be in first place by next Sunday. Book it.
i agree with you 100%, therrien finally has crosby playing with malkin and is better than anyone in the league even without a solid goal scorer |
| fly4apuckguy |
Posted - 11/04/2007 : 19:42:36
Has anyone besides me noticed that Sid has gone from 23rd to fourth in league scoring in the last three games, and has played fewer games than the guys ahead of him?
He'll be in first place by next Sunday. Book it. |
| fly4apuckguy |
Posted - 11/04/2007 : 17:07:45
quote:
Originally posted by irvine
quote:
Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
quote:
Originally posted by Guest6199
all i can say is with the players today they do not even compare to the players of old, i mean in the 80-81 year when the oilers dynasty ruled the world "The Great One" had 164 points i mean today the kids who play although really good players dont compare anymore but if i had to pick the points leader for this year once he gets stared i would have to say Vinne Lecaviler, who in my opinion is the best all around player in the nhl he fights his own battles and still is a great two way player. Everyone always says Crosby, but he still has a lot of proving to do before he can be considered one of the greats, maybe with experience he will be become better
I actually think this is 100% incorrect. It isn't because players are not as good that no one scores 160 points anymore, it is because they are so good.
This is likely a useless argument, so I'll leave it at that.
That is not a useless argument at all. I agree with you completely. Now you don't have those select few guys like back then, who, are just so much better than the rest of the NHL. Now you have a large amount of guys equally as talented or fairly close and it makes it harder for that single player to dominate the NHL like they did back then. Will anyone ever beat those point records set by Gretzky? I highly doubt it. The NHL is too strong now. You don't have players smoking after the game, going out getting drunk. It's a whole new game, whole new rules, whole new opposition. 98% of the NHL take it serious now. Unlike back then, when you had guys out of shape, smoking, etc.
- Irvine, NB Canada.
Irvine
It is totally different. I Phil Esposito's book, he talks about how he used to go home and work for the summer. The only job NHLers have now over the summer is working out, getting faster and stronger.
I say it is a useless argument because I doubt if my guest friend will know just what the heck I am talking about, because he's probably young. |
| irvine |
Posted - 11/04/2007 : 13:38:08
quote:
Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
quote:
Originally posted by Guest6199
all i can say is with the players today they do not even compare to the players of old, i mean in the 80-81 year when the oilers dynasty ruled the world "The Great One" had 164 points i mean today the kids who play although really good players dont compare anymore but if i had to pick the points leader for this year once he gets stared i would have to say Vinne Lecaviler, who in my opinion is the best all around player in the nhl he fights his own battles and still is a great two way player. Everyone always says Crosby, but he still has a lot of proving to do before he can be considered one of the greats, maybe with experience he will be become better
I actually think this is 100% incorrect. It isn't because players are not as good that no one scores 160 points anymore, it is because they are so good.
This is likely a useless argument, so I'll leave it at that.
That is not a useless argument at all. I agree with you completely. Now you don't have those select few guys like back then, who, are just so much better than the rest of the NHL. Now you have a large amount of guys equally as talented or fairly close and it makes it harder for that single player to dominate the NHL like they did back then. Will anyone ever beat those point records set by Gretzky? I highly doubt it. The NHL is too strong now. You don't have players smoking after the game, going out getting drunk. It's a whole new game, whole new rules, whole new opposition. 98% of the NHL take it serious now. Unlike back then, when you had guys out of shape, smoking, etc.
- Irvine, NB Canada.
Irvine |
| Guest6199 |
Posted - 11/04/2007 : 07:18:57
Fly4apuckguy:
This is my Opinion on the players today. How are the players so good today, I think that is 100% incorrect and this is because players today have 2 line passes allowed, they have bigger nets, they put in the rule again with the tag up offside, they have so much assistance from the nhl now a days that anyone could score goals and get the points they have made it so anyone at all can have a banner year....all to put people in the seats who wanna see more goals for players in a year. If they had the old rules with the exception of a few players who where in the league prior to the year 2000, hardly any of them would even come close to getting as many points. Again go Lecavalier scoring leader for the year all the way |
| fly4apuckguy |
Posted - 11/03/2007 : 23:54:13
I'm personally shocked that so many people have chosen Zetterberg. I know he's off to a good start, but he's had one 85 point season, one 68 point season, and a couple in the 40's. He's also only averages about 70 games a season.
Yes, he is now in his prime at age 27 (I think), but to put him in contention with proven guys like Thornton, Crosby, Iginla and even Jagr seems a bit premature. I'm not sure he cracks the top 10 when all is said and done, let alone wins the whole scoring race.
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