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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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 Posted - 10/29/2007 : 15:41:58
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Poll Question:
Who will win the 07/08 points scoring race?
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PainTrain
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1393 Posts |
Posted - 10/29/2007 : 16:45:42
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Sid The Kid will. Just look at what Fly says and you'll know why. He'll start going and will beat everyone.
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 10/29/2007 : 17:44:19
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The smart money is on Sid the Kid, but it could be any of 10 or 12 players.
Looking at this point of the year, if the top 90 players continue their current production over an 82 game season, there will be 25 (I repeat 25) 100+ point scorers, and 56 players who will have a 1 PPG average or higher.
That didn't even happen in the 80's did it??
I know it's early and I am in no way saying that it will happen, but that's pretty sick.
Rod the Bod Rod the Bod Rod the Bod Rod the Bod Rod the Bod
If you are under the age of 15, please do some research before you make a post about anything pre-1997. |
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
834 Posts |
Posted - 10/29/2007 : 19:25:44
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Hmmm....let me think. I'm usually so undecided about these types of things.....so hard to come to a decision....
OKAY! I'VE GOT IT!
Mr. Sidney Patrick Crosby, from Cole Harbor, Nova Scotia, will win the scoring championship this season.
Yes, he's behind right now, and yes, he and the Pens are in a bit of a slump. The difference between Sid and a guy like Joe Thornton (whom I also man-love), is that when Sid gets hot, he's exponentially better than anyone else in the league.
I think he's going to explode in the next three games or so. The Pens have had a crappy schedule so far. Five nights off in between games, etc. They are coming up on a stretch where they'll be playing a lot more games more often - a good time to get 'er rollin'. |
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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1315 Posts |
Posted - 10/30/2007 : 00:02:08
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I must admit, I am a big fan of Crosby. He has great skill and understands the game like no other player his age. But, playing alone has its disadvantages. Yes, he has Malkin along with some others this season who will no doubt contribute to his success and their own, but... I don't think it's his this year. I do project Crosby to hit 110 Points or so. But, my money is on a Senator this year. I'm going Heatley. Only player to score 50+ goals the last two seasons in the NHL. And with Alfreddson playing well along with Spezza now passing more (or it seams atleast, having so any assists already this year,) I can see Heatley hitting 115. Far fetched? Not in my opinion. But, that's all it is. An opinion.
Nothing against Crosby or the others, it takes skill to hit 100 Points in the NHL, and I have respect for any player who can do so.
But my money is on Heatley.
- Irvine - NB, Canada.
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 10/30/2007 : 06:33:48
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I won't ague with the fact that Crosby is basically alone. He's been playing with Malkin lately, and they've generated more chances than he did with Recchi (who is now off of the first line), but there is no one on that team that can compliment him like other stars in the league have.
I still think he'll come through and win it, though. He's too good every shift not to. Heatley is a great player, but I can watch a Sens game and not really pick him out until he scores or does something significant.
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Guest1747
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Posted - 10/30/2007 : 10:29:53
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Originally posted by PainTrain
Sid The Kid will. Just look at what Fly says and you'll know why. He'll start going and will beat everyone.
Eat,Sleep,Watch Hockey,Play Hockey
The Perfect Life!
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Guest1747
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Posted - 10/30/2007 : 10:31:45
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[quote]Originally posted by irvine
Who will win the 07/08 points scoring race?
Rick Nash could easily win a scoring race or Marion Gaborik if they could ever stay healthy enough. |
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nashvillepreds
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1053 Posts |
Posted - 10/30/2007 : 14:33:50
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I'm just waiting for somebody to say Antropov. Crosby will win.
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
834 Posts |
Posted - 10/30/2007 : 18:35:44
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Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
Yes, he's behind right now, and yes, he and the Pens are in a bit of a slump. The difference between Sid and a guy like Joe Thornton (whom I also man-love), is that when Sid gets hot, he's exponentially better than anyone else in the league.
I think he's going to explode in the next three games or so. The Pens have had a crappy schedule so far. Five nights off in between games, etc. They are coming up on a stretch where they'll be playing a lot more games more often - a good time to get 'er rollin'.
My apologies for quoting myself, but I couldn't resist.
Guess who got 4 points tonight?
And so it begins... |
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Guest8062
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Posted - 11/01/2007 : 14:25:11
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| paul stastny will, he'll probably get really hot in a few days and go on another streak, and in about a week another slump and so on |
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jbraiter
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 11/01/2007 : 15:14:27
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Guest5220
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Posted - 11/01/2007 : 16:44:17
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| I personnally dont think Crosby will win the SCORING race he doesnt score that much he is mostly a team player with tons of assists which leaves me saying GO HEATLEY |
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
834 Posts |
Posted - 11/01/2007 : 16:52:07
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Originally posted by jbraiter
it better not be crosby
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Canucks Man
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1547 Posts |
Posted - 11/01/2007 : 16:52:39
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Originally posted by Guest5220
I personnally dont think Crosby will win the SCORING race he doesnt score that much he is mostly a team player with tons of assists which leaves me saying GO HEATLEY
The Question if you actually read it is "Points Scoring Race"
And in my opinion Crosby will win it hands down.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
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kipper_kariya
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 11/02/2007 : 20:45:50
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im a flames fan so i want iginla but i think it will be sid the kid
its not the size of the dog in the fight, its the size of the fight in the dog GO FLAMES!! WOOO |
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Guest6199
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Posted - 11/03/2007 : 09:39:25
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| all i can say is with the players today they do not even compare to the players of old, i mean in the 80-81 year when the oilers dynasty ruled the world "The Great One" had 164 points i mean today the kids who play although really good players dont compare anymore but if i had to pick the points leader for this year once he gets stared i would have to say Vinne Lecaviler, who in my opinion is the best all around player in the nhl he fights his own battles and still is a great two way player. Everyone always says Crosby, but he still has a lot of proving to do before he can be considered one of the greats, maybe with experience he will be become better |
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/03/2007 : 20:00:07
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Originally posted by Guest6199
all i can say is with the players today they do not even compare to the players of old, i mean in the 80-81 year when the oilers dynasty ruled the world "The Great One" had 164 points i mean today the kids who play although really good players dont compare anymore but if i had to pick the points leader for this year once he gets stared i would have to say Vinne Lecaviler, who in my opinion is the best all around player in the nhl he fights his own battles and still is a great two way player. Everyone always says Crosby, but he still has a lot of proving to do before he can be considered one of the greats, maybe with experience he will be become better
I actually think this is 100% incorrect. It isn't because players are not as good that no one scores 160 points anymore, it is because they are so good.
This is likely a useless argument, so I'll leave it at that. |
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 11/03/2007 : 23:54:13
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I'm personally shocked that so many people have chosen Zetterberg. I know he's off to a good start, but he's had one 85 point season, one 68 point season, and a couple in the 40's. He's also only averages about 70 games a season.
Yes, he is now in his prime at age 27 (I think), but to put him in contention with proven guys like Thornton, Crosby, Iginla and even Jagr seems a bit premature. I'm not sure he cracks the top 10 when all is said and done, let alone wins the whole scoring race.
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Guest6199
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Posted - 11/04/2007 : 07:18:57
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Fly4apuckguy:
This is my Opinion on the players today. How are the players so good today, I think that is 100% incorrect and this is because players today have 2 line passes allowed, they have bigger nets, they put in the rule again with the tag up offside, they have so much assistance from the nhl now a days that anyone could score goals and get the points they have made it so anyone at all can have a banner year....all to put people in the seats who wanna see more goals for players in a year. If they had the old rules with the exception of a few players who where in the league prior to the year 2000, hardly any of them would even come close to getting as many points. Again go Lecavalier scoring leader for the year all the way |
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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1315 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2007 : 13:38:08
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Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
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Originally posted by Guest6199
all i can say is with the players today they do not even compare to the players of old, i mean in the 80-81 year when the oilers dynasty ruled the world "The Great One" had 164 points i mean today the kids who play although really good players dont compare anymore but if i had to pick the points leader for this year once he gets stared i would have to say Vinne Lecaviler, who in my opinion is the best all around player in the nhl he fights his own battles and still is a great two way player. Everyone always says Crosby, but he still has a lot of proving to do before he can be considered one of the greats, maybe with experience he will be become better
I actually think this is 100% incorrect. It isn't because players are not as good that no one scores 160 points anymore, it is because they are so good.
This is likely a useless argument, so I'll leave it at that.
That is not a useless argument at all. I agree with you completely. Now you don't have those select few guys like back then, who, are just so much better than the rest of the NHL. Now you have a large amount of guys equally as talented or fairly close and it makes it harder for that single player to dominate the NHL like they did back then. Will anyone ever beat those point records set by Gretzky? I highly doubt it. The NHL is too strong now. You don't have players smoking after the game, going out getting drunk. It's a whole new game, whole new rules, whole new opposition. 98% of the NHL take it serious now. Unlike back then, when you had guys out of shape, smoking, etc.
- Irvine, NB Canada.
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/04/2007 : 17:07:45
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Originally posted by irvine
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Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
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Originally posted by Guest6199
all i can say is with the players today they do not even compare to the players of old, i mean in the 80-81 year when the oilers dynasty ruled the world "The Great One" had 164 points i mean today the kids who play although really good players dont compare anymore but if i had to pick the points leader for this year once he gets stared i would have to say Vinne Lecaviler, who in my opinion is the best all around player in the nhl he fights his own battles and still is a great two way player. Everyone always says Crosby, but he still has a lot of proving to do before he can be considered one of the greats, maybe with experience he will be become better
I actually think this is 100% incorrect. It isn't because players are not as good that no one scores 160 points anymore, it is because they are so good.
This is likely a useless argument, so I'll leave it at that.
That is not a useless argument at all. I agree with you completely. Now you don't have those select few guys like back then, who, are just so much better than the rest of the NHL. Now you have a large amount of guys equally as talented or fairly close and it makes it harder for that single player to dominate the NHL like they did back then. Will anyone ever beat those point records set by Gretzky? I highly doubt it. The NHL is too strong now. You don't have players smoking after the game, going out getting drunk. It's a whole new game, whole new rules, whole new opposition. 98% of the NHL take it serious now. Unlike back then, when you had guys out of shape, smoking, etc.
- Irvine, NB Canada.
Irvine
It is totally different. I Phil Esposito's book, he talks about how he used to go home and work for the summer. The only job NHLers have now over the summer is working out, getting faster and stronger.
I say it is a useless argument because I doubt if my guest friend will know just what the heck I am talking about, because he's probably young. |
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
834 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2007 : 19:42:36
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Has anyone besides me noticed that Sid has gone from 23rd to fourth in league scoring in the last three games, and has played fewer games than the guys ahead of him?
He'll be in first place by next Sunday. Book it. |
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pensfan17
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/04/2007 : 21:22:58
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Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
Has anyone besides me noticed that Sid has gone from 23rd to fourth in league scoring in the last three games, and has played fewer games than the guys ahead of him?
He'll be in first place by next Sunday. Book it.
i agree with you 100%, therrien finally has crosby playing with malkin and is better than anyone in the league even without a solid goal scorer |
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Guest6199
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Posted - 11/05/2007 : 08:12:22
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| Last post because i dont wanna argue with someone who has not been alive to watch hockey like I have been since 1966 when i was 23 years old. To contiune with what i was orignally saying it is a whole different game since the first couple of games that i watched with Gordie Howe, Stan Mikita, Bobby Hull, Phil Esposito, Henri Richard and a rockie Bobby Orr playing, showed me that the game could be played with finess and toughness and hockey was hockey with no real dirty plays, no crosschecking no hitting from behind no high sticks and yes only 6 teams and also the last time my Toronto Maple Leafs won the cup lol ...but i guess im not as old as fly4apuckguy, Yes players today now only have to go out and get stronger in the off season, which makes the league stronger it makes it more entertaining for stronger, younger and faster players, the league today is geared towards a youthfull players game where speed and skill are key. Where as before they players had to play with toughness and use their brains to play hockey. They also had to play with injuries and still had finished the games and in the old days the players for their summers had to go and work in grocery store to keep on their feet the players today are just all million dollar babies who whine when they get a sprained finger and cant finish the game. Where the guys of old where actually tough. Finally once the rest of the league starts preforming we should see a better race for the scoring title I think the players that are going to be near the top of the race are Ovechkin, Thorton, Lecavalier, Staal, and as much as it pains me to say it Crosby. I personally think it is to early in the season to tell who would win the race... have a nice day thanks for listening. |
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/05/2007 : 18:48:56
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Originally posted by Guest6199
Last post because i dont wanna argue with someone who has not been alive to watch hockey like I have been since 1966 when i was 23 years old. To contiune with what i was orignally saying it is a whole different game since the first couple of games that i watched with Gordie Howe, Stan Mikita, Bobby Hull, Phil Esposito, Henri Richard and a rockie Bobby Orr playing, showed me that the game could be played with finess and toughness and hockey was hockey with no real dirty plays, no crosschecking no hitting from behind no high sticks and yes only 6 teams and also the last time my Toronto Maple Leafs won the cup lol ...but i guess im not as old as fly4apuckguy, Yes players today now only have to go out and get stronger in the off season, which makes the league stronger it makes it more entertaining for stronger, younger and faster players, the league today is geared towards a youthfull players game where speed and skill are key. Where as before they players had to play with toughness and use their brains to play hockey. They also had to play with injuries and still had finished the games and in the old days the players for their summers had to go and work in grocery store to keep on their feet the players today are just all million dollar babies who whine when they get a sprained finger and cant finish the game. Where the guys of old where actually tough. Finally once the rest of the league starts preforming we should see a better race for the scoring title I think the players that are going to be near the top of the race are Ovechkin, Thorton, Lecavalier, Staal, and as much as it pains me to say it Crosby. I personally think it is to early in the season to tell who would win the race... have a nice day thanks for listening.
I'm 37, so I'm no teenager, my friend. In my 37 years, I've probably watched more hockey than most 60 year olds. I watch, on average, two full games a night if they are on, and a part of the west game if it isn't over yet. I'm watching Pens-Devils now, as soon as it is over I'm switching to Minnesota-Oil. Calgary - Avs after that.
If you dislike the NHL now, don't watch it. It's a better game than it has ever been, but that's fine.
I'd like to address what I think is the biggest falllacy thrust upon our youth of today regarding hockey's history....that it was some kind of gentlemanly, fair play competition between a bunch of Lady Byng award winners. That is false! What about this night in 1969:
"1969 - In a pre-season game held in Ottawa, Ted Green of the Boston Bruins and Wayne Maki of the St.Louis Blues engaged in a violent, stick-swinging brawl. A factured skull and brain damage caused Green to miss the entire 1969-1970 NHL season."
Or this from Liam Maguire, whom Imany regard as the foremost expert on hockey's history, period, talking about how American media has presented modern hockey as violent, when really it is not, compared to the earlier days of the NHL:
"Charles Masson killed Owen McCourt with his stick in a game in 1908 but it was ruled inconclusive. Sprague Cleghorn was once asked how many fights he had in his NHL career and he replied, “do you mean just stretcher cases?” Eddie Shore almost killed Ace Bailey. Rocket Richard probably could have killed Hal Laycoe. Gordie Howe was suspended several times for attempt-to-injure an opponent. Bobby Orr dove into a Buffalo bench to fight Larry Hillman. Jean Beliveau once held the NHL record for the most penalty minutes in a season by a centreman. "
The most violent era of the NHL was the 1970's, during the Broadstreet Bullies days of the Philly Flyers. The Big Bad Bruins. A friend of mine who played with the Leafs in the 1970's said the Flyers ice makers used to shave a five inch band of ice in the corners, so that the puck would settle in the area, and the wingers could line you up better for a harder hit.
Checking from behind, into the boards and not, was legal, and went unpunished completely.
Still missing the good old days of non-violent hockey, or would you like to try again? You may be older than me, but don't think that means you naturally know more about the game and it's history. If that upsets you, I am sorry. If you choose to leave, that's fine I guess. I'd rather argue in a friendly manner, but I won't stop you. |
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/05/2007 : 18:51:02
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Now what I really wanted to post - Crosby got two goals tonight. That puts him currently, at least until the Flames play tonight, into second place in league scoring, one point behind Zetterberg.
Tick-tock, Henrik. Enjoy it while you can. |
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andyhack
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 11/05/2007 : 19:21:17
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Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
I'd like to address what I think is the biggest falllacy thrust upon our youth of today regarding hockey's history....that it was some kind of gentlemanly, fair play competition between a bunch of Lady Byng award winners. That is false!
Yeah, it was pretty viloent back in the 70s when I was growing up, no doubt. The only caveat I would put in is that there were certain players for whom maybe it was understood (more clearly than today perhaps)that if you handle the wrong way all hell is going to break loose. Can you imagine how Wensink, Jonathon, O'Reilly and Milbury would have reacted if someone took a Downie-like run at Ratelle in the late 70s? In that sense there was perhaps a little more "Enforced Respect" than there is today. |
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/05/2007 : 19:25:23
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Originally posted by andyhack
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Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
I'd like to address what I think is the biggest falllacy thrust upon our youth of today regarding hockey's history....that it was some kind of gentlemanly, fair play competition between a bunch of Lady Byng award winners. That is false!
Yeah, it was pretty viloent back in the 70s when I was growing up, no doubt. The only caveat I would put in is that there were certain players for whom maybe it was understood (more clearly than today perhaps)that if you handle the wrong way all hell is going to break loose. Can you imagine how Wensink, Jonathon, O'Reilly and Milbury would have reacted if someone took a Downie-like run at Ratelle in the late 70s? In that sense there was perhaps a little more "Enforced Respect" than there is today.
It would have been taken care of on the ice, I agree. "Enforced Respect"... I like that. I may use that in my book someday. I'll send you a royalty cheque.
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Greg Smith
Rookie
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 15:08:01
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Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
The most violent era of the NHL was the 1970's, during the Broadstreet Bullies days of the Philly Flyers. The Big Bad Bruins. A friend of mine who played with the Leafs in the 1970's said the Flyers ice makers used to shave a five inch band of ice in the corners, so that the puck would settle in the area, and the wingers could line you up better for a harder hit.
That is dead on. The flyers were the biggest meatheads I've ever seen. Not only did they shave the ice, they loosened the glass a couple of times to try to make their hits look bigger. They sent one of my teamates flying through. Also they used to scrape the ice going into their end so the opposition forwards couldn't skate fast enough to avoid their hits. The stupidest team I ever faced in my entire life.
By the way fly, whp was your freind?
After playing in the NHL, it's hard to watch hockey games. |
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admin
Forum Admin
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 15:20:01
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| Hey guys don't stray too far off topic please. This might be a great subject for a new thread. |
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willus3
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 15:33:58
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Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
It's a better game than it has ever been, but that's fine.
Completely disagree. Care to discuss in another thread?
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 15:39:40
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Originally posted by Greg Smith
[quote]Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
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By the way fly, whp was your freind?
After playing in the NHL, it's hard to watch hockey games.
Sorry mods, just want to answer a question and then I'm out.
Greg Hubick. He had a "cup of coffee" as they say with the Leafs and Canucks in the late 70's. He played a lot with the Dallas Blackhawks, and then some in Europe. He's buddies with Tiger Williams, so I've met Tiger a few times, too. Nice guy - you wouldn't know he was a psycho on the ice (and in the stands) at times. |
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Greg Smith
Rookie
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 15:55:04
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Thanks fly, sorry admin this is my last off topic post here.
After playing in the NHL, it's hard to watch hockey games. |
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/13/2007 : 21:07:19
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Originally posted by fly4apuckguy
Now what I really wanted to post - Crosby got two goals tonight. That puts him currently, at least until the Flames play tonight, into second place in league scoring, one point behind Zetterberg.
Tick-tock, Henrik. Enjoy it while you can.
TIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Zetterberg's point streak comes to a crashing halt!
GO SID!!!!!!
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Posted - 11/14/2007 : 18:15:23
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| Vinny has taken the lead, 4 points tonight vs. Carolina and still a period to go. Otta boy Vinny, Im in 1st in my pool unless Thornton has a 6 point night tonight. |
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 11/14/2007 : 20:22:51
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Nicely done, Mr. Lecavalier. It will be a short reign. Sid plays the Islanders tomorrow night. |
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LeafsFan4Life
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 11/15/2007 : 12:09:12
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Go Lecavlier go i want him to win the scoring race this year...keep it up Vinny, keep that pesky kid off your heals
Long Live Hockey |
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hkalirah
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 11/15/2007 : 13:10:36
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My pick is Thornton. Why has no one mentioned him yet? He only won it 2 years ago, and finished 2nd last year.
Go Wings Go! |
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/15/2007 : 14:44:35
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Originally posted by hkalirah
My pick is Thornton. Why has no one mentioned him yet? He only won it 2 years ago, and finished 2nd last year.
Go Wings Go!
Joe Thornton is looking more like Scott Thornton this year.
He doesn't get mentioned as much as the #1 because of a certain 20 year old who will not be denied.
Vinny, nice streak. Have fun with it. Enjoy your time at the top. It won't last, I promise.
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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 11/15/2007 : 15:49:12
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Zetterberg leads the poll by 2% to win the scoring race! Amazing. I think it shows how many people vote based on who is currently leading, over who has the skill and talent to win it. lol.
Senators Nation. Leafs? Who?
Irvine |
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07/08 Scoring Race 
