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| Trevman12 |
Posted - 11/18/2006 : 16:27:06
Who is the BEST OVERALL player in the NHL?
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| 40 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| blade |
Posted - 01/12/2007 : 15:01:37
almost brings a tear to my eye |
| Ripley |
Posted - 01/12/2007 : 14:57:08
Even Shannahan voted for Iginla...
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(CP) - When Brendan Shanahan thinks of power forwards, he recalls Cam Neely and Rick Tocchet - big men who played with an attitude, scored goals and weren't afraid to fight.
That is how Shanahan has played for 19 NHL seasons, but if it weren't for Jarome Iginla of the Calgary Flames, he might be the last of that breed in the league. "Now, a power forward is a guy who takes the body and goes to the net, but there aren't too many that will drop the gloves like they did," Shanahan said Friday on a conference call. "I've always admired what Jarome Iginla does.
"He doesn't ask for anyone to stick up for him, but he sticks up for his teammates. Like me, he's probably been told by coaches not to fight, but I see something in him when he's in a fight - that he's having fun."
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| bablaboushka |
Posted - 01/12/2007 : 13:09:14
I won't argue with Iginla, but I don't think the ability or willingness to fight has any relevance in a player's well-roundedness. Being agressive sure, not letting others defend you sure, but on most teams the star players are told NOT to fight, especially if there is a "goon" type player on the team. Lecavalier and Iginla are both well-rounded tough players that have a yellow light to fight (coaches probably say "I don't like you fighting but I know you're going to do it anyway", not a flat out "Go fight") whereas other superstars stay out of it completely to avoid getting hurt.
I'm sure that if guys like Thornton or Forsberg or Ovechkin were not strictly told not to fight that they could lay a good beating, just like Iginla or Lecavalier could. |
| blade |
Posted - 01/12/2007 : 12:19:57
no one touches Iginla for "overall" status. I think the poll numbers are skewed. Those people that have posted opinions tend to know, or at least care, about hockey. They seem to be leaning towards Iggy. Those people that don't know and have not posted their point of view are just voting for who is in the news the most (Crosby, Jagr) |
| Guest9537 |
Posted - 01/12/2007 : 11:23:53
The key to this question is "overall" including scoring, checking, defensive play, fighting, etc. That being said, my vote goes to Iginla. |
| leigh |
Posted - 01/12/2007 : 11:21:35
Hey, for once I like where a post is going.   Seriously it is hard to argue against him (although I'm sure someone will try). He may not be the top scorer ALL the time but when you add in the rest, he's the man.
I like that Beans said Lecavalier. He is a workhorse and rarely plays a BAD game. he'll drop the gloves if he has to (Iginla vs. Lecavalier was an awesome superstar match) In a couple more years he'll peak and watch out. |
| Guest8760 |
Posted - 01/12/2007 : 11:13:55
YOU PEOPLE ARE NOT READING THE QUESTION PROPERLY!
OVERALL!!!
THAT MEANS SHOOTING, SCORING, PASSING, SKATING, FIGHTING, FACEOFFS, GOING INTO THE CORNERS, BATTLING FOR THE PUCK WHERE EVER IT MAY BE, STICKING UP FOR TEAMMATES.
THERE MAY BE MORE CATEROGIES, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE BEST OVERALL PLAYER, HANDS DOWN,
JAROME IGINLA, CALGARY FLAMES |
| willus3 |
Posted - 01/12/2007 : 11:01:35
Hey Beans, we agreed on something again.
Iginla indeed. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 01/12/2007 : 10:53:47
I think you would have to consider a guy like Lecavalier. He does it all. PP, PK, EV, big goals and assists. Plus player. He's the whole package.
However, as hard as it is more me to say, if you are looking at the player in the league today with "the whole package" being offense, defense, checking, toughness, skating, everything. Well, no one touches Iginla for that. |
| willus3 |
Posted - 01/12/2007 : 09:23:58
Sakic and Iginla.
You don't have to be leading the scoring race to be the best player on the ice.
Neidermeyer is a joy to watch as well.
Thornton is starting to hit his stride.
Crosby will dominate soon. Maybe next year and for at least the next 10 years as long as he is injury free. |
| leigh |
Posted - 01/02/2007 : 17:23:24
I just can't imagine that Crosby would be ahead of Niedermayer, Iginla and Thornton. The operative word here is OVERALL.
Crosby is doing great and I am a fan, but there are so many other components to the game than goals and assists. At 19 years of age you just couldn't have developed those skills at the NHL level yet. I'm speaking of things like leadership, work ethic, fighting...and just plain old experience. I'd give it to either Iginla or Thornton. And runner up would be Niedermayer (second only because he never fights)
I know it will be unpopular but I would also put Sundin on that list too. In his entire career he has been one of the most well rounded players I've ever watched. |
| 1 Crosby fan |
Posted - 01/02/2007 : 17:03:34
I can't remember who i voted for i think it was Crosby or Burnaby Joe |
| Blubberboy |
Posted - 01/02/2007 : 16:31:18
Crosby.
No competiton.
Go Vancouver |
| Guest4640 |
Posted - 12/31/2006 : 17:21:38
to be an all around player u have to backcheck ..crosby and jagr dont even know where their own end is half the time |
| Blubberboy |
Posted - 12/31/2006 : 15:57:54
quote:
Originally posted by Guest6598
Crosby, then probably Jagr
I agree.
Go Canucks
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| leigh |
Posted - 12/28/2006 : 20:29:02
I'm surprised that Sundin is not on the list. I'd definitely think of voting for him. |
| Trevman12 |
Posted - 12/28/2006 : 18:05:51
I've noticed that ever since crosby started to put up big points again, more people began to vote for him. |
| Trevman12 |
Posted - 12/18/2006 : 16:19:01
quote:
Originally posted by bablaboushka
Sakic has to be the best player for the last 10 years, maybe next to Jagr, but not anymore.
Yes |
| bablaboushka |
Posted - 12/18/2006 : 16:01:43
Sakic has to be the best player for the last 10 years, maybe next to Jagr, but not anymore. |
| Trevman12 |
Posted - 12/18/2006 : 15:46:31
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YES but not sakic
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I have to agree. |
| framer87 |
Posted - 12/17/2006 : 12:41:19
quote:
Originally posted by Guest7864
I vote for Jagr...AND SAKIC
but Crosby is far superior to Ovechkin... ''think before you post'' haha YOU should think before posting idiot comments like that... Crosby has hockey-smarts!! he sees the game 150% better then ovechkin!
YES but not sakic
Go pens |
| Guest7864 |
Posted - 12/17/2006 : 10:24:19
I vote for Jagr...AND SAKIC
but Crosby is far superior to Ovechkin... ''think before you post'' haha YOU should think before posting idiot comments like that... Crosby has hockey-smarts!! he sees the game 150% better then ovechkin! |
| Mikhailova |
Posted - 12/17/2006 : 09:53:18
quote:
Originally posted by ultimatetitman
No whiney little suck will ever get my vote.
Then I hope you didn't vote for Crosby.
The guy's a great player, but a bit of a cry-baby. |
| 1 Crosby fan |
Posted - 12/11/2006 : 20:25:19
I'd say Neidermayor too but there are a lot of players that are good |
| Trevman12 |
Posted - 12/11/2006 : 19:25:26
I thinkthat most of you are just looking for offensive talent and leading scorers. Niedermayer is one of the best, if not the best defensive player in the league. |
| B-rett10 |
Posted - 12/03/2006 : 11:32:43
quote:
Originally posted by Trevman12
Who is the BEST overall player in the NHL?
Best All Around player right now is Joe Thornton, What can't he do. |
| Guest2855 |
Posted - 11/30/2006 : 22:03:16
One more thing...It just honestly boggles my mind how anyone can say that Ovechkin is better then Crosby in every aspect of the game...Ovechkin scores goals, thats who he is and I think that people will agree that it takes much more then a pretty goal to be the best. Playmakers are rare. To be a playmaker, a player who can change the game with a play, like Thorton say, you need to have that special something that most goal scorers dont have. Crosby has that. |
| Guest2855 |
Posted - 11/30/2006 : 21:54:56
OK, first of all I must say that I completely disagree with what that guy said about Ovechkin being better the Crosby...Lets take a look at this. Ovechkin is 2 years older and has 2 years of professional hockey in Russia under his belt. Crosby is stright from the Q. Ovechkin maybe be stronger and a little faster. Dont matter when you have Crosby's smarts. It's not all about scoring goals...to have Kovalchuk up on that list is a slap on the face to everyone else on there. Yea he puts the puck in the net...so what? The guy has NEVER had a positive +/- rating and probably never will because he is so one dimensional!!! And here we are talking about best all around? Please. Crosby sees the ice like no one else. He is a two dimensional player. Oh and the best part...HE IS ONLY 19 YEARS OLD. I really dont think that people understand that being that young makes a huge difference. In the next 5 years in the league, I am willing to bet anything that Crosby wins a couple of Hart trophies. Crosby is the type of player that will make others around him better. Not too many of those players around. They're both very good players, Ovechkin and Crosby, but Crosby takes in hands down at the end of the day. I also think he is the best on that list. |
| ultimatetitman |
Posted - 11/28/2006 : 17:24:24
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
If we are measuring on today, it has to be Jagr. The years behind him as well as what he is doing today, there really is no arguement....
Think a little before you post!
Oh I've thought about it, and I feel that anyone picking Jagr has a short memory.
What kind of crap did he pull in Washington? He pouted like 6 year old for 3 seasons and put very little effort into his game. He was barely a point a game after posting 983 points in 656 games previous to that.
And don't come back "He didn't have anyone to play with in Washington" because he put up totals of 229 points in 158 games on an average Penguins teams after Lemieux retired the first time. Anyone who watched him in Washington would agree that he was not playing with any heart and was just going through the motions.
Maybe you ought to put a little more thought into your posts.
No whiney little suck will ever get my vote. |
| Mp48 |
Posted - 11/27/2006 : 19:07:23
quote:
Originally posted by Mikhailova
[quote]Originally posted by Beans15
If we are measuring on today, it has to be Jagr. The years behind him as well as what he is doing today, there really is no arguement.
However, those of you who say Crosby, you must be watching a totally different game than the rest of us. Ovechkin is better in every area of the game save passing. Ovie is bigger, stonger, faster, and has more of a killer instinct. Besides that, Crosby has players like Recci and Malkin around him, who does Ovechvin have??
Think a little before you post!
Completely agree. You said it!
I'm with you 100% on the alexthegreat crosbythefake argument, if they switched teams, maybe others would see it too. |
| Mikhailova |
Posted - 11/27/2006 : 13:22:44
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
If we are measuring on today, it has to be Jagr. The years behind him as well as what he is doing today, there really is no arguement.
However, those of you who say Crosby, you must be watching a totally different game than the rest of us. Ovechkin is better in every area of the game save passing. Ovie is bigger, stonger, faster, and has more of a killer instinct. Besides that, Crosby has players like Recci and Malkin around him, who does Ovechvin have??
Think a little before you post!
Completely agree. You said it! |
| Guest4044 |
Posted - 11/27/2006 : 12:30:48
Jagr by far in my book. He has dominated this league for 15+ years. The guy is a beast.
I'm surprised Iginla is not on the list. Pass, shoot, score, hit, take hits, natural leader and unlike anyone else in the list, he fights...he does it all with no one to help him. |
| Guest4010 |
Posted - 11/27/2006 : 02:18:30
crosby is the best overall player in the league. he's fast, stong, smart beyond his years and look at his points per game. he's unreal. nineteen years old to boot. he is the new face of the nhl and will be for a really long time. he's not even going to hit his prime until about 8-10 years from now. that's scary. shows up every single game and has for the past 6 years with pressure getting piled up every single time he's hit the ice. why don't the canucks ever get a guy like that? crosby will win cups and conn smythe trophies. mark my words, save this posting and you can buy me a beer when he's hoisting The Mug. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 11/26/2006 : 18:56:43
If we are measuring on today, it has to be Jagr. The years behind him as well as what he is doing today, there really is no arguement.
However, those of you who say Crosby, you must be watching a totally different game than the rest of us. Ovechkin is better in every area of the game save passing. Ovie is bigger, stonger, faster, and has more of a killer instinct. Besides that, Crosby has players like Recci and Malkin around him, who does Ovechvin have??
Think a little before you post! |
| Mp48 |
Posted - 11/26/2006 : 17:02:12
Im sorry but how is kovalchuk not on the list, he is clearly dominant in every aspect of the game,he's not afraid to hit or get hit, he's proven that and the guy has put up big numbers in his first 5 years, finished tied for the lead in goals in 2004,hasn't been injured,is consistant, and is a major force in atlanta's attack.and mark my words within the next 5 years he will help lead atlanta to a cup and win the maurice a couple times. Ovechkin will be the next best, but his team needs to get better |
| Guest6598 |
Posted - 11/26/2006 : 15:14:02
Niedermayer is the best rounded player in the league. He's the best defensive player, but he can also produce points when he has to. |
| Guest6598 |
Posted - 11/26/2006 : 15:11:35
Crosby, then probably Jagr |
| Trevman12 |
Posted - 11/25/2006 : 20:25:10
Kiprusoff is a selection in the poll. |
| Guest4055 |
Posted - 11/25/2006 : 17:35:11
Crosby without a doubt ... the fellow is 19 and totally dominating Everyone ( just think in a couple of years !!!!!!! ) ... also i cant really say comparing defense and fowards is fair ... where are the goalies ? kipper is the best player in the NHL if goalies were included |
| Mikhailova |
Posted - 11/25/2006 : 09:28:00
Jagr all the way |
