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| Sensfan101 |
Posted - 05/09/2009 : 05:10:17
This was a pretty awful trade
To NYI
Yashin
To Ottawa
Draft pick=Spezza
Chara
You miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take Wayne Gretzky |
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| CaliforniaSeal |
Posted - 04/26/2012 : 21:06:07
Remember the worst trade for one team is the best trade for the other. One no one has mentioned was The California Seals trading away the rights to the number one pick (Guy Lafleur) for oldtimer Ernie Hicke.
No cup for Dino, what a shame |
| spade632 |
Posted - 05/14/2010 : 15:13:54
A couple other bad trades:
1) May 1967 -
To Chicago - Pit Martin, Jack Norris and Gille Marotte
To Boston - Phil Esposito, Ken Hodge and Fred Stanfield.
2) June 1986 -
To Boston - Cam Neely and a 1st round draft pick (Glen Wesley)
To Vancouver - Barry Pederson.
I think this one takes the cake though -
June 1992 -
To Philadelphia - Eric Lindros
To Quebec - Ron Hextall, Mike Ricci, Peter Forsberg, Steve Duchesne, Kerry Huffman, Chris Simon and a 1st round draft pick (Joceyln Thibault) along with future considerations and about $15 million.
Oh, and speaking of Dryden - how about the Habs-Jets trade from 1984?
To Montreal - 3rd round pick (Patrick Roy)
To Winnipeg - Robert Picard.
That said, you have no way of knowing how any particular draft pick will turn out (see the litany of no. 1 picks who've had less than stellar careers (Alexandre Daigle, Brian Lawton (drafted ahead of Steve Yzerman, Cam Neely, Tom Barrasso, and Pat LaFontaine), Gord Kluzak (ahead of Chris Pronger), and Patrik Stefan (ahead of Sedin twins, Henrik Zetterberg, and Martin Havlat). Of course there's an argument to be made that good scouting helps mitigate unknowns.
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| Alex116 |
Posted - 04/15/2010 : 10:29:07
quote:
Originally posted by Guest6421
To Vancouver: Trevor Linden & 2 rnd pick.
To Washington: 2002 1st round pick (Alexander Semin)
Trevor could have been had for much cheaper.
How much cheaper? How bout for what they really gave up for him? Would the real trade be a little better suited?
From Wiki: Return to Vancouver (2001–2008)
On November 10, 2001, the Capitals traded Linden with a second round draft pick in either 2002 or 2003 (Denis Grot) to the Canucks for their first round pick in 2002 (Boyd Gordon) and a third round pick in 2003.
Not sure what they gave up for the pick they got Semin with, but it came from Dallas and followed their own first pick of Steve Eminger. Gordon was selected later in that same first round with Vancouver's pick.
If this thread's all about making up one sided trades, lemme know, i'm sure i could come up with some beauties!  |
| Guest2743 |
Posted - 04/15/2010 : 09:43:29
Lol... heres the most recent and possibly most lobsided trade. Phil Kessel for a #2 pick (Hall or Seguin), #34 pick, and a top 10 pick in 2011. |
| Guest6421 |
Posted - 04/15/2010 : 09:27:11
To Vancouver: Trevor Linden & 2 rnd pick.
To Washington: 2002 1st round pick (Alexander Semin)
Trevor could have been had for much cheaper. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 04/15/2010 : 07:56:14
quote:
Originally posted by Guest0935
To Calgary: Ruslan Zainullan
To Atlanta: Marc Savard
WHO??? |
| Guest0935 |
Posted - 04/14/2010 : 23:55:22
To Calgary: Ruslan Zainullan
To Atlanta: Marc Savard |
| 99pickles |
Posted - 04/14/2010 : 21:24:38
quote:
Originally posted by Sensfan101
I heard this one on the radio the other day
To Detroirt
Robert Lang
To Washington
Fleishcman
1st round pick=Green
Wow on this one!! But who knew at the time? |
| 99pickles |
Posted - 04/14/2010 : 21:15:19
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
It is so easy for us 'arm chair gm's' to pick apart every trade that didn't work. However, at the time, the move is the best that GM thinks he can do at that time.
Let me give a quick example from my backyard.
Prior to the Oilers Cup run, the deadline deal was Samsonov from Boston for Marty Reasoner and a 2nd round draft pick(50th) in 2006. That deal paid off immediately for the Oilers as they made the run they did. Above that, Reasoner was a UFA in the offseason and he resigned with the Oilers the next year at basically the same pay. Again, looks pretty good on the Oilers. At the time, the Bruins were still building, so a 2nd round draft pick and a rental centreman(even though they were basically out of the playoffs) for Samsonov(who was also a UFA) was a reasonable deal as well.
Great, both teams win. Edmonton makes their Cup run, Boston is losing Samsonov anyway but they get a 2nd round draft pick out of the deal.
Good Trade for both side right???
How about the hindsight of knowing that Samsonov didn't resign with Edmonton and that summer Boston used that 2nd round pick to draft a complete beast by the name of Milan Lucic.
Now, Hindsight says that was a great trade for Boston and a bad trade for the Oilers.
Hindsight is always 20/20. Present time is cloudy at best.
This is the best way to look back at all trades!
Don't forget, there are many other factors besides players' talent that are involved in a trade. Pocklington simply couldn't afford to keep the Oilers together, for example.
Just for the record, I think the worst trade was when Calgary sent Gilmour to Toronto. Those teams went in opposite directions fast, and there weren't any contract or finance concerns that precipitated the trade. It was simply Cliff Fletcher bringing some of his boys to Toronto, and getting rid of Gary Leeman at the same time! |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 04/07/2010 : 16:22:06
quote:
Originally posted by Sensfan101
I heard this one on the radio the other day
To Detroirt
Robert Lang
To Washington
Fleishcman
1st round pick=Green
The 1st round pick = ??? is so subjective. One can not say for certain if that team would have picked that players. No one will ever know if Detroit would have picked Green with that pick.
That being said, when Lang was traded, he was leading the league in scoring. Getting the league's leading scoring for a prospect, the 29th overall draft pick, and a 6th round pick is nothing to sneeze about.
Hindsight is always 20/20. At the time, decent deal. Today, looks tilted in Washington's favor.
In my opinion, the worst deals are those that were garbage at the time and proved themselves right. Like the Gilmour for Leeman deal, or the Lindros for Forsberg and the Posse deal.
There were bad at the time and proved to be bad. |
| Guest9207 |
Posted - 04/07/2010 : 14:45:20
Tuukka Rask for Andrew Raycroft |
| Sensfan101 |
Posted - 04/07/2010 : 14:34:43
I heard this one on the radio the other day
To Detroirt
Robert Lang
To Washington
Fleishcman
1st round pick=Green
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| Jumbo Joe Rocks |
Posted - 04/07/2010 : 14:00:50
To Boston
Marco Sturm
Brad Stuart
Wayne Primeau
To San Jose
Joe Thornton
''GO SHARKS GO'' |
| Leafs81 |
Posted - 03/17/2010 : 17:51:27
quote:
Originally posted by Guest4271
Just a personnal grimace for me whenever i recall the habs trading Brian Savage, and replacing him with the damnable Sergei Berezin. Still makes me throw up a little whenever i think about it.
Why ???????
Brian Savage was only good in october. And at that time he was pretty much done.
They gave nothing, and received nothing. Although I remember Berezin had some good years in TO just didn't do anything in MTL. |
| Guest4022 |
Posted - 03/17/2010 : 17:14:04
the Toronto trade that involved Nolan really hurt. we essentially gave away 3 1st round picks (pretty sure was McCauly 1st round) for an aging veteran who's best days were behind him.
McCauley didn't pan out, but Boyes already has a 40 goal season, and who knows what our 1st round pick would have been in the following draft.
San Jose ended up picking Mark Stuart, but that doesn't necessarily mean Toronto would have picked him. |
| Guest4271 |
Posted - 03/16/2010 : 23:35:57
Just a personnal grimace for me whenever i recall the habs trading Brian Savage, and replacing him with the damnable Sergei Berezin. Still makes me throw up a little whenever i think about it. |
| Guest6840 |
Posted - 03/16/2010 : 22:13:39
quote:
Originally posted by Guest4435
to pitsburg:
alek stojanov
to vancouver:
marcus nazlund
need i say more
nope we can see Vancouver got the cursed player who should be assassinated that is all. |
| Guest6840 |
Posted - 03/16/2010 : 22:12:36
quote:
Originally posted by jbraiter
How about
Vancouver gets:
Roberto Luongo
Lucas Kraijeck
Florida gets:
Todd Bertuzzi
Bryan Allen
Alex Auld
Worst trade ever true
Bertuzzi is one of the leagues greatest all around players ever but since Crawford ruined his career he shouldn;t be good Allen has been a good D-man for florda Alex Auld had never reached potential.
Luongo is now the second best goalie in the league currently and i think history. yet Kraijeck was a waste of money. |
| Guest7540 |
Posted - 10/16/2009 : 05:19:57
To Pittsburgh:
Ron Francis
Ulf Samuelsson
Grant Jennings
To Hartford:
John Cullen
Jeff Parker
Zarley Zalapski |
| Guest3341 |
Posted - 10/15/2009 : 16:09:32
quote:
Originally posted by Guest2441
quote:
Originally posted by Guest4500
Agreed, that was pretty bad. Another awful trade, one of the worst of all time had to be Joe Thornton to San Jose for Marco Sturm, Brad Stuart. It was such a bad trade I can't even remember who the third player was. You know it's a bad trade when you get three players in return and it's still considered one of the worst of all time!!!!
Actually the third player there was Brad Boyes who the later traded to St. Louis. He's a good player that they just didn't give enough time.
(it's also nice that he's guy that put up 40 goals in a season and shows up twice in the worst trades of all time *the sharks got him in the Nolan trade)
Wrong it was Wayne Primeau. Who Boston had hoped would play like Keith Primeau. Alas no dice for Boston. At the time of the trade it was considered fair value. Who knew Sturm had peaked and Primeau would be a weak player. Brad Stuart BTW is a rock in Detroit, and is one of the better checking, stay at home shutdown defenseman in the league. |
| Guest0793 |
Posted - 10/14/2009 : 17:53:18
What about St.Louis/Detroit trade Adam Oates for Bernie Federko |
| Guest2441 |
Posted - 10/14/2009 : 16:15:27
quote:
Originally posted by Guest4500
Agreed, that was pretty bad. Another awful trade, one of the worst of all time had to be Joe Thornton to San Jose for Marco Sturm, Brad Stuart. It was such a bad trade I can't even remember who the third player was. You know it's a bad trade when you get three players in return and it's still considered one of the worst of all time!!!!
Actually the third player there was Brad Boyes who the later traded to St. Louis. He's a good player that they just didn't give enough time.
(it's also nice that he's guy that put up 40 goals in a season and shows up twice in the worst trades of all time *the sharks got him in the Nolan trade) |
| Guest4157 |
Posted - 10/13/2009 : 20:49:04
mike comrie traded from crusaders junior team to st albert saints for a team bus. |
| Guest4988 |
Posted - 10/13/2009 : 20:15:36
To Guest 4500 : I believe the third player that San Jose traded to Boston for Joe Thornton was Wayne Primeau.
To Odin: When Denis Savard was traded to Montreal from Chicago for Chris Chelios and a 2nd rounder ( Michael Pomichter who didn't amount to anything ) in June 1990, Denis Savard was only 29 years old, while Chris Chelios was 28. Savard was still averaging over a point per game with the Hawks, when he was traded and I wouldn't call him aging. Chelios was also coming off an injury-plagued season. Don't get me wrong, in hindsight, Chicago won the trade, but it was a pretty even trade at the time. Also, I'm a big Hawks fan, but I have to be fair on this one.......that trade was value for value at the time and they were only one year apart in age. |
| Guest4435 |
Posted - 10/13/2009 : 18:05:39
to pitsburg:
alek stojanov
to vancouver:
marcus nazlund
need i say more |
| Guest2223 |
Posted - 10/13/2009 : 09:38:26
John Kordic (Habs) for Russ Courtnall (Leafs)....that was the worst trade of all time!
Unless you are an Oiler fan (like me) then its the Gretzky trade
Gretzky/Marty McSorley for Jimmy Carson (who???), Martin Gelinas, some draft picks and money........DUM!!!...its so dumb its dum!!! |
| Guest4912 |
Posted - 10/13/2009 : 09:16:32
the gretzky trade was pretty bad because we got jimmy carcinogen out of it, but i suppose we did win the cup two years later. but of course when you lose the great one it is devastating, and when you trade gretz you know what you are losing. when the canucks traded neely he had got one thirty goal season and a trade for pederson didnt seem as bad as it turned out to be. |
| Guest7647 |
Posted - 05/23/2009 : 05:37:40
how about the jets selling kris draper for a $1 ? |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 05/22/2009 : 10:42:22
The Luongo/Jokinen for Parish/Kvasha is one of those bad trades in hindsight.
One has to remember that Luongo was 7-14-1 in his season with the Islanders. Prior to that, he had below average numbers AHL and was barely average in his time in the Q.
Jokinen also only had one year on Long Island. A stellar season of 21 points in 82 games. He also wasn't turning too many head in LA the season before with 21 points in 66 games.
Parrish was coming off back to back 20+ goal seasons during his first couple of years as a full time NHL player.
Kvasha was getting around 25 points a season with Florida.
At the time the trade was an average goalie and a 20ish point a year guy for a young for a young 20+ goal a year player and a 20ish point a year guy.
Obviously, knowing what would have happened in the next 8ish seasons with Luongo as an elite keeper and Jokinen having 60+ point seasons and Parrish falling into a 3rd line role and Kvasha playing in Russian it looks like a horrible trade. At the time, it wasn't that bad.
Another perfect example of trades in hindsight. |
| n/a |
Posted - 05/22/2009 : 06:20:15
If the Isles Luongo/Jokinen trade isn't the worst, it's at least one of the front-runners . . . wow, that is quite the stinker indeed.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Rambo2305 |
Posted - 05/22/2009 : 05:36:40
quote:
Originally posted by Guest2265
quote:
Originally posted by Rambo2305
Does anyone know who the Islanders got when they traded Luongo to Florida?
"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford
Yes The Islanders traded Luongo, along with forward Olli Jokinen to the Florida Panthers in exchange for wingers Mark Parrish and Oleg Kvasha.
Ok...so it looked like this...
To Florida:
G Roberto Luongo
F Olli Jokinen
To NYI:
F Mark Parrish
F Oleg Kvasha
Wow...the Islanders dished off Luongo, O. Jokinen, Chara and Spezza...just imagine if they actually had a smart GM?...
"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford |
| Guest2902 |
Posted - 05/21/2009 : 05:01:45
This trade caused many to seek grief counselling: I for one left my 15 years of allegiance of the Leafs & moved it to the Wings; not to mention that J.Kordic was found dead in a Montreal alley within 3 years of that trade. This was a sad trade!quote:
Originally posted by Guest6123
Russ Courtnall for John Kordic
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| Gusteroni |
Posted - 05/20/2009 : 12:07:28
Two more...Ken Dryden was not drafted by the Canadiens . Dryden was originally picked by the Boston Bruins in 1964. After hearing that Dryden was headed to Cornell University, the Bruins sent him and another prospect to Montreal for Guy Allen and Paul Reid, neither of whom ever played in the NHL. Dryden went on to win the Stanley Cup six times and the Vezina five times!! Also Grant Fuhr was a part of several trades during his NHL career but when he went from Toronto to Buffalo, it was quite one-sided. In 1993, the Leafs shipped Fuhr and their 1995 fifth-round draft pick (Kevin Popp) to the Buffalo Sabres for Dave Andreychuk, Daren Puppa and Buffalo's first-round pick in the 1993 draft (Kenny Jonsson).
"There are only two seasons. Hockey season and not hockey season." |
| Odin |
Posted - 05/20/2009 : 09:46:24
quote:
Originally posted by Rambo2305
Not the worst ever, but still a bad one....
To Capitals:
G Cristobal Huet
To Canadiens:
2nd Round Pick
"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford
I'm sooo sick of hearing this. How in the world is this a bad trade? They got an asset for something they were going to lose anyway? So a 2nd for a UFA who was inconsistent at best. The guy has never won a playoff series and is now one of the most expensive backups in the league. There are MUCH better worst trades to talk about. |
| Guest2265 |
Posted - 05/20/2009 : 08:37:52
quote:
Originally posted by Rambo2305
Does anyone know who the Islanders got when they traded Luongo to Florida?
"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford
Yes The Islanders traded Luongo, along with forward Olli Jokinen to the Florida Panthers in exchange for wingers Mark Parrish and Oleg Kvasha.
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| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 05/20/2009 : 06:24:46
quote:
Originally posted by Guest8241
quote:
Originally posted by JOSHUACANADA
quote:
Originally posted by Rambo2305
Another bad one!:
To Toronto:
F Owen Nolan
To San Jose:
F Brad Boyes
F Alyn McCauley
2nd Round Pick
"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford
Who do you think got the bad end of that one? I sure hope you dont think T.O got screwed there.
Toronto lost that one....Nolan was almost a Point Per game in the 1/4 season he played in 2002-2003, and was pointless in the playoffs. Meanwhile, McCauley was a 40 Point, PK specialist, Boyes is a 30+ goal scorer..don't know who the pick turned out to be though...
It was Boyes, McCauley and a 1st round pick, not a second. It turned out to be Mark Stuart.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
| Rambo2305 |
Posted - 05/20/2009 : 05:37:30
Does anyone know who the Islanders got when they traded Luongo to Florida?
"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford |
| Guest8241 |
Posted - 05/20/2009 : 05:36:23
quote:
Originally posted by JOSHUACANADA
quote:
Originally posted by Rambo2305
Another bad one!:
To Toronto:
F Owen Nolan
To San Jose:
F Brad Boyes
F Alyn McCauley
2nd Round Pick
"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford
Who do you think got the bad end of that one? I sure hope you dont think T.O got screwed there.
Toronto lost that one....Nolan was almost a Point Per game in the 1/4 season he played in 2002-2003, and was pointless in the playoffs. Meanwhile, McCauley was a 40 Point, PK specialist, Boyes is a 30+ goal scorer..don't know who the pick turned out to be though... |
| Guest5026 |
Posted - 05/20/2009 : 05:17:34
Selanne to the ducks for chad kilger and oleg tverdosky |
| JOSHUACANADA |
Posted - 05/19/2009 : 14:46:15
quote:
Originally posted by Rambo2305
Another bad one!:
To Toronto:
F Owen Nolan
To San Jose:
F Brad Boyes
F Alyn McCauley
2nd Round Pick
"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford
Who do you think got the bad end of that one? I sure hope you dont think T.O got screwed there. |
