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Sensfan101
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Posted - 05/09/2009 :  05:10:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This was a pretty awful trade

To NYI
Yashin

To Ottawa
Draft pick=Spezza
Chara



You miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take Wayne Gretzky

Edited by - Sensfan101 on 05/09/2009 09:44:23

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Posted - 05/09/2009 :  05:57:00  Reply with Quote
Agreed, that was pretty bad. Another awful trade, one of the worst of all time had to be Joe Thornton to San Jose for Marco Sturm, Brad Stuart. It was such a bad trade I can't even remember who the third player was. You know it's a bad trade when you get three players in return and it's still considered one of the worst of all time!!!!
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Guest9244
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Posted - 05/09/2009 :  06:32:09  Reply with Quote
no
it doesnt even come close to bertuzzi for luongo. cmon now
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Beans15
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Posted - 05/09/2009 :  10:08:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Guest4500

Agreed, that was pretty bad. Another awful trade, one of the worst of all time had to be Joe Thornton to San Jose for Marco Sturm, Brad Stuart. It was such a bad trade I can't even remember who the third player was. You know it's a bad trade when you get three players in return and it's still considered one of the worst of all time!!!!



Was it really the worst trade? San Jose has has zero playoff success since Thornton arrived. Although Boston looks to be on the ropes, they have a good young team.

This trade is a wash at worst. Definately not horrible for either side.
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Guest8543
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Posted - 05/09/2009 :  10:35:46  Reply with Quote
The ones listed are pretty bad.

But I need to go with the trade that sent Doug Gilmour and Jamie Macoun to Toronto, where Calgary got Gary Leeman and four other pieces of rotted lumber.



Also remember the year where Calgary traded with New Jersey...Calgary traded their late first round draft pick for New Jersey's early one (along with other considerations), because Calgary wanted a goalie they thought would be gone later on. Calgary picked Trevor Kidd.


New Jersey, with Calgary's later draft pick, selected Martin Brodeur.


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just1n
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Posted - 05/09/2009 :  11:39:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The contract that the Islanders signed Yashin to made it way worse than it needed to be.

The Bruins could have done a lot better for a return on trading Thornton...
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 05/09/2009 :  13:47:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yashin for Spezza/Chara wasn't as bad at the time. Chara was Good not great and he was unhappy in NYI and Spezza had been knocked by critics who said he lacked the complete game. Spezza became great 2-3 years later once Hossa for Heatly trade happened and lockout season the core of the team played in Minor's. Yashin was coming off contracts dispute's following an MVP season of which he had many in Ottawa. If you could take personality out of it he was a great hockey player(fast, strong, skilled and 2way)

Bert for loungo much worse.
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Beans15
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Posted - 05/09/2009 :  14:17:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Was the Bertuzzi trade really that bad? Hindsight wise definately, but Bertuzzi was coming off 3 of the past 4 seasons as more than a PPG player and in his previous 305 games he had 124 goals, 189 assists for 313 points.

Any given time, in the New NHL there are only 15-20 players that are legitimate PPG guys. He was definately worth something back then. I don't think anyone knew that the next season he would play 15 games due to a back injury and he would drop so significantly in the next rew seasons (149 games, 32 goals, 63 assists for 95 points).

The trade looks like garbage now, but it wasn't so bad at the time. One sided towards Vancouver for sure, but not the worst ever.

The Lindros Deal (the first one) is still the worst one to me. It made Philly am above average team but never a finalist but made Colorado one of the best teams for a decade with multiple Cups.
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 05/09/2009 :  15:41:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bert had not returned to form prior to trade and every analyst who is a fan of the sport new that Loungo was a franchise player. Imagine him in Edmonton(your team)/Ottawa(my team) That would have been awesome. Bert would not have had that kind of impact. Very slanted deal here.

Back to Lindros trade he lived up to the hype in Philly (legion of doom) and Colorado didn't turn it on for the 1st couple of years. Had they played like they did after they moved, Quebec Nordiques would be playing in the East.
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deadalive
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Posted - 05/10/2009 :  20:34:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How about a couple of the Canucks other trades... Worst, Cam Neely for Barry Pederson. Best, Alex Stoyanov for Markus Naslund. (which would certainly be one of the Penguins all time worst trades...)
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Canucks Man
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Posted - 05/10/2009 :  20:49:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15


The Lindros Deal (the first one) is still the worst one to me. It made Philly am above average team but never a finalist but made Colorado one of the best teams for a decade with multiple Cups.


Just wondering Beans, What made Philly a Finalist then, if it was not Lindros?

CANUCKS RULE!!!
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Posted - 05/11/2009 :  07:05:46  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
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The trade looks like garbage now, but it wasn't so bad at the time. One sided towards Vancouver for sure, but not the worst ever.

The Lindros Deal (the first one) is still the worst one to me. It made Philly am above average team but never a finalist but made Colorado one of the best teams for a decade with multiple Cups.



Lindros for Forsberg is close to a wash.

Both Lindros and Forsberg played around the same number of games, and both averaged more than a point per game in their career. (the last two such players to do so, and will be the last players to do so for many years)

Both had their careers, and total games per season, shortened drastically by injuries.

The difference is Lindros got one Cup final, and Forsberg had two Cup wins.

Of course, Lindros didn't have Joe Sakic and Patrick Roy on his team.

Colorado doesn't win either Cup without Roy...and they don't get Roy if they stay in Quebec....Remember, they moved to Denver in the summer of 1995...they got Roy in December of 1995...then won the Cup the next spring.

Talking about bad trades - Patrick Roy and Mike Keane for Jocelyn Thibault, Martin Rucinsky and Andrei Kovalenko!?!?!?!?!?!?
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Beans15
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Posted - 05/11/2009 :  08:19:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ah, but it wasn't Lindros for Forsberg. The actual trade was:

Peter Forsberg, as well as Ron Hextall, Chris Simon, Mike Ricci, Kerry Huffman, Steve Duchesne, a 1st round selection (Jocelyn Thibault) in 1993, a 1st round selection (later traded to the Toronto Maple Leafs, later traded to the Washington Capitals - Nolan Baumgartner) in 1994, and $15,000,000 cash.

All that for a player who had never played a single game in the NHL..

8 Division Titles and 2 Cups later, the Avalanche were one of the best teams of the next decade.
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Odin
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Posted - 05/11/2009 :  10:19:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How about Chelios in his prime for an aging Denis Savard?

bout the Lindros trade, I wouldn't do Forsberg for Lindros straight up, let alone eveythign else that went with it. Yes, there is a little hindsight here, but even back then Forsberg was touted as a strong up and comer. And then there are all the headaches caused by Eric's mom...
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Guest9932
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Posted - 05/12/2009 :  02:00:09  Reply with Quote
Chris Gratton for Daniel Briere.........what was Phoenix thinking?
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jbraiter
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Posted - 05/12/2009 :  06:43:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How about

Vancouver gets:
Roberto Luongo
Lucas Kraijeck

Florida gets:
Todd Bertuzzi
Bryan Allen
Alex Auld

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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 05/12/2009 :  07:27:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jbraiter

How about

Vancouver gets:
Roberto Luongo
Lucas Kraijeck

Florida gets:
Todd Bertuzzi
Bryan Allen
Alex Auld





Well, just to play devils advocate here, maybe its not so one sided. Luongo hasn't won anything in Vancouver yet, and missed the playoffs twice I beleive. Not really earth shattering stuff...

Bertuzzi was traded to the red wings for stud prospect Shawn Matthias who could very well turn out to be a top line player for the panthers for a decade. Luongo could jump ship after next year.

When all is said and done, it may not look so bad...

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 05/12/2009 :  08:21:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Guest8543

The ones listed are pretty bad.

But I need to go with the trade that sent Doug Gilmour and Jamie Macoun to Toronto, where Calgary got Gary Leeman and four other pieces of rotted lumber.



Also remember the year where Calgary traded with New Jersey...Calgary traded their late first round draft pick for New Jersey's early one (along with other considerations), because Calgary wanted a goalie they thought would be gone later on. Calgary picked Trevor Kidd.


New Jersey, with Calgary's later draft pick, selected Martin Brodeur.






Note - The pick that the Flames sent to Jersey which was used to draft Brodeur, was originally the Leafs'.

"Everytime you step out onto the ice, it's a clean slate, anyone can win"
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 05/12/2009 :  08:27:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
To Detroit:
- D Chris Chelios

To Winnipeg:
- $1


Look it up, it actually happened. All of us know what happened with Chelios...

"Everytime you step out onto the ice, it's a clean slate, anyone can win"
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Guest4948
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Posted - 05/12/2009 :  08:42:45  Reply with Quote
Here's a few for ya........

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCM/is_7_30/ai_84394817/?tag=content;col1
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 05/12/2009 :  09:10:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Rambo2305

To Detroit:
- D Chris Chelios

To Winnipeg:
- $1


Look it up, it actually happened. All of us know what happened with Chelios...

"Everytime you step out onto the ice, it's a clean slate, anyone can win"



You mean Kris Draper..

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
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Odin
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Posted - 05/12/2009 :  10:01:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Rambo2305

To Detroit:
- D Chris Chelios

To Winnipeg:
- $1


Look it up, it actually happened. All of us know what happened with Chelios...

"Everytime you step out onto the ice, it's a clean slate, anyone can win"




And where exactly did you find this? Chelios was never with Winnipeg and went from Chicago to Detroit.
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Odin
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Posted - 05/12/2009 :  10:02:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Odin

quote:
Originally posted by Rambo2305

To Detroit:
- D Chris Chelios

To Winnipeg:
- $1


Look it up, it actually happened. All of us know what happened with Chelios...

"Everytime you step out onto the ice, it's a clean slate, anyone can win"




And where exactly did you find this? Chelios was never with Winnipeg and went from Chicago to Detroit.



And in fact to add to my worst trade above, it wasn't just a Chelios in his prime for an aging Savard, but the Habs threw in a 2nd rounder as well. What were they thinking??
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just1n
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Posted - 05/12/2009 :  10:06:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Regarding the Luongo - Bertuzzi trade, remember that Luongo still had to be signed, but Bert was still under contract, so that factored into it as well. They were having trouble signing him in Florida, that's why he was traded at all. If he held out in Van, Nonis would have had to deal him elsewhere before the season...
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 05/12/2009 :  10:11:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
yea...Draper...not Chelios! :S LOL

wrong name, my bad lol


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Gusteroni
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Posted - 05/12/2009 :  11:19:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The Leafs always trading their picks away has always come back to kick them in the ass, for instance in '89 the Leafs traded their 3rd overall pick to the Devils for Tom Kurvers. The 3rd pick ended up being Scott Niedermayer...ouch. If that isn't bad how about when Martin St. Louis was put on waivers by the Calgary Flames and picked up by Tampa Bay? Maybe this was not bad at the time but in '96 the Canucks traded Alek Stojanov to the Penguins for Markus Naslund. For me the all time worst trade was the Oilers giving up The Great One. The Oilers trade Wayne Gretzky, Mike Krushelnyski and Marty McSorley to the Los Angeles Kings for Jimmy Carson, Martin Gelinas, a 1st round pick in '89 (Jason Miller), 1st round pick in '91 (Martin Rucinsky), a 1st round pick in '93 (Nick Stajduhar) and close to 15 million in cash. None of those guys ever came close to what Gretzky did in his career as he went on to play in 539 games and scored 918 points...wow!! You be the judge.

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Posted - 05/12/2009 :  11:43:02  Reply with Quote
How about the Leafs trading an aging Wendel Clark to Quebec for a young Mats Sundin? Clark ended up returning to the Leafs to finish his career, Sundin had MANY years leading the Leafs.
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Posted - 05/12/2009 :  13:17:07  Reply with Quote
Russ Courtnall for John Kordic
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Bruins16Wins2theCup
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Posted - 05/12/2009 :  14:12:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Cam Neely & a 2nd rounder ( Glen Wesley ) to Boston for Barry Pederson. One of the lop sided trade ever.
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Posted - 05/12/2009 :  22:46:05  Reply with Quote
Not hockey related but baseball related, What about Cy Young getting traded for a suit back in the day.
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Posted - 05/13/2009 :  05:35:33  Reply with Quote
100% gotta be the GRETZKY trade, the useless bunch of (guys)crap they got for him never amounted to anything and they havent been the same since then.
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Posted - 05/13/2009 :  16:12:46  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Guest2809

100% gotta be the GRETZKY trade, the useless bunch of (guys)crap they got for him never amounted to anything and they havent been the same since then.

That was not a trade, that was a gift.
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deadalive
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Posted - 05/13/2009 :  16:51:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
While maybe they haven't been the same since, they did win another cup, don't forget... And it's not like they had a choice, Gretzky wanted to move to LA to be close to his wife. The oilers were kinda handcuffed there...
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Posted - 05/13/2009 :  18:11:53  Reply with Quote
Gretz trade worst of all time ?? do you watch hockey ??

Jimmy Carson scored 50 goals and the Oilers won another cup. Mark Messier was able to become the leader and proved he was one of the best leaders in the history of team sports.

Gretzky went on to LA/St.Louis and NY without winning anything.

You cant look at a trade and compare one players post trade stats to the other players stats.
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Posted - 05/13/2009 :  18:24:53  Reply with Quote
Crosby to Toronto for a bag of pucks.

The Leafs just gave up to much.
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Posted - 05/14/2009 :  09:14:24  Reply with Quote
Sure ya the Spezza and Chara trade was bad. But what about the acquiring of Mark Messier that the Vancouver Canucks did that then later Mike Keanan traded Trevor Linden to the Islander for Todd Bertuzzi, Bryan McCabe and 3rd round selection (Jarkko Ruutu). What happened Messier got booed in Vancouver and he did nothing for us. And now where are those trades Burt, McCabe and Ruutu well there not for the Canucks now that for sure. So this was the worst trade ever in History.

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Beans15
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Posted - 05/14/2009 :  10:48:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It is so easy for us 'arm chair gm's' to pick apart every trade that didn't work. However, at the time, the move is the best that GM thinks he can do at that time.

Let me give a quick example from my backyard.

Prior to the Oilers Cup run, the deadline deal was Samsonov from Boston for Marty Reasoner and a 2nd round draft pick(50th) in 2006. That deal paid off immediately for the Oilers as they made the run they did. Above that, Reasoner was a UFA in the offseason and he resigned with the Oilers the next year at basically the same pay. Again, looks pretty good on the Oilers. At the time, the Bruins were still building, so a 2nd round draft pick and a rental centreman(even though they were basically out of the playoffs) for Samsonov(who was also a UFA) was a reasonable deal as well.

Great, both teams win. Edmonton makes their Cup run, Boston is losing Samsonov anyway but they get a 2nd round draft pick out of the deal.

Good Trade for both side right???


How about the hindsight of knowing that Samsonov didn't resign with Edmonton and that summer Boston used that 2nd round pick to draft a complete beast by the name of Milan Lucic.

Now, Hindsight says that was a great trade for Boston and a bad trade for the Oilers.


Hindsight is always 20/20. Present time is cloudy at best.
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 05/14/2009 :  10:59:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
yep. same goes for the Owen Nolan deal here in Toronto.
Quinn felt like he needed one more Power Forward to push them over the top for a deep playoff run. So they dealt McCauley (who was dealing with concussion problems), Boyes (a junior star, but had never played an NHL game) and a 1st (Mark Stuart).

At the time everyone loved it, who cares about mccauley and boyes the fans said. Screw the 1st round pick, we will sign badass UFAs anyways to make up for it. Owen Nolan is going to make us a force and take us to the promised land.

Nolan gets hurt, the salary cap comes into play (cant throw money around the same way) and Boyes turns into a 40 goal scorer...

Could pretty much say the same thing for the Brian Leetch trade....

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 05/15/2009 :  17:13:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't know about worst trade ever, but Worst trade for my Ottawa Senators was Ron Tugnutt for Tom Barasso. Basically took a great goalie in Tugnutt who had a team with great chemistry, who played solid for them. They traded for an aging former cup winner with a losing record all but his cup year at twice the price. What added salt to the wound was at the time Tugnutt was the most respected player on the team and Barrasso was consider the least respected player on the Penguins. After the trade year, Barrasso takes a year off for personal reasons and Tugnutt is regular starter for Penguins and Etc for 6-7 years.
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Posted - 05/15/2009 :  19:18:24  Reply with Quote
This is a pretty bad trade but funny. There was a guy that played in the Western Hockey league in the 80's I believe he played for the Seatte Thunderbirds but their bus broke down so they traded him for a new bus.
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Posted - 05/19/2009 :  08:57:43  Reply with Quote
No one of the worst trades will haunt the Habs for ever the
"Le Trade" the trade of all of sports that a Team went on to win the cup and that was the Roy trade. Roy was traded to the Avalanche. Instead of asking for Joe Sakic straight up, they threw in Captain Mike Keane along with #33 in exchange for Jocelyn Thibault, Martin Rucinsky, and Andrei Kovalenko. Three players who never had a significant impact on the Habs let alone the league. It was a steal for the Avalanche who went on to win two Stanley Cups with Roy.
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