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leigh
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PainTrain
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 Posted - 09/04/2007 : 19:09:31
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Yup he'll make it into the hall of fame. He just doesn't seem to have it and didn't he have a back injury?
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willus3
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Posted - 09/04/2007 : 19:19:37
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HHOF? Good Lord no!
The HOF is for the all time greats of the game. They've already lowered their standards enough without letting Turgeon in. He was a good player for sure. Just not a great player.
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Beans15
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Posted - 09/05/2007 : 06:25:17
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There's Willus and his anti-defensive player stand. He's a 500+ goal guy for God Sakes!! He's in the top 30 all time scoring, and he's been a stand up guy his whole career. Never any off the ice issues, never known as a dirty player.
I think he'll make the Hall. Rightly or wrongly Willus, I think he belongs.
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willus3
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Posted - 09/05/2007 : 09:35:14
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Originally posted by Beans15
There's Willus and his anti-defensive player stand. He's a 500+ goal guy for God Sakes!! He's in the top 30 all time scoring, and he's been a stand up guy his whole career. Never any off the ice issues, never known as a dirty player.
I think he'll make the Hall. Rightly or wrongly Willus, I think he belongs.
If you are under the age of 15, please do some research before you make a post about anything pre-1997.
Is he what you would call an all time great player?
It has nothing to do with my defensive bias you are asserting I have.
He just isn't a HOF worthy player. He's quite possibly the worst member of the 500 goal club. He lacked the intensity to make him a great player.He was good. He could have been better.
Here's a good comparison I saw someone make. Take Doug Gilmour and compare him to Turgeon. Very similar numbers. If you asked the GM's who they would want out of the two of them I think you'd find all of them say Gilmour. Turgeon was a soft player and lacked the desire and intensity to make him a player you had to have.
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leigh
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Posted - 09/05/2007 : 10:19:04
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Willus, he always reminded me of Sakic. Calm, cool and gets the job done without a big fuss. One of the things I respected about him most. I don't think that because he wasn't an intense player it will stop him from making it.
500+ goals, 800+ assists, 1300+ points and a Lady Byng. At over a-point-a-game he'll get in. Maybe not right away, maybe not on the first ballot, but he'll get in. |
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willus3
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Posted - 09/05/2007 : 11:33:46
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Originally posted by leigh
Willus, he always reminded me of Sakic. Calm, cool and gets the job done without a big fuss. One of the things I respected about him most. I don't think that because he wasn't an intense player it will stop him from making it.
500+ goals, 800+ assists, 1300+ points and a Lady Byng. At over a-point-a-game he'll get in. Maybe not right away, maybe not on the first ballot, but he'll get in.
Sakic is on another level completely. I don't know many that would say otherwise. Sakic and Yzerman get compared quite often but I've never heard someone say Turgeon is as good as either of those guys. I won't be surprised if he gets in, but as you say it won't be on the first ballot. If he does though I think they should really rename the HHOF to the Hockey Hall of Mediocre or Better. 
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Beans15
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Posted - 09/05/2007 : 12:29:37
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That's a good point Willus. You didn't see a lot of intensity in his game. And I wouldn't compare him to Sakic as much as an Adam Oates type player. Quite, got the job done, but never really shown their heart in the game.
However, does that make him a bad player?? His production was pretty impressive.
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willus3
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Posted - 09/05/2007 : 14:32:35
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Originally posted by Beans15
That's a good point Willus. You didn't see a lot of intensity in his game. And I wouldn't compare him to Sakic as much as an Adam Oates type player. Quite, got the job done, but never really shown their heart in the game.
However, does that make him a bad player?? His production was pretty impressive.
If you are under the age of 15, please do some research before you make a post about anything pre-1997.
No it doesn't make him a bad player. That isn't what I'm saying. I think you guys are missing my point. He's a good player. He just doesn't belong in the HOF with the true greats.
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bablaboushka
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Posted - 09/05/2007 : 15:11:42
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| Well I think a more fair comparison might be to Ron Francis. I never really watched either of these players in their "primes" but I remember both these players as sneaky, sportsmanlike, potent producers. Is Ron Francis ever considered as one of the best players the NHL has ever had? Well I mean he IS #4 on the all-time points list... So is it really just about points now? I'm not suggesting that Francis didn't deserve his induction or that Turgeon doesn't deserve one but I'm really confused now as to what the criteria are to qualify for induction. Mats Sundin has similar pts-per-game figures and is only 1G, 6A away from being the all-time leader in points as a Leaf. On the other hand he has never won anything in the NHL (Cup or personal award). Does he deserve to be in after he retires? Where is the standard now...? |
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leigh
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Posted - 09/05/2007 : 16:40:31
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Beans I see that you have started a thread on the HHOF standards and I'll move my next post there. See ya there fellas!
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Pierre Turgeon to Retire 
