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polishexpress
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 Posted - 03/07/2010 : 22:14:05
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Poll Question:
Who will win rookie of the year?
Another good rookie crop, who do you think will win? Answer the poll and then comment why your choice is best...
VOTE REOPENED TO REFLECT NOMINEES ANNOUNCED APRIL 22, 2010
(I left the Gustavsson ballot open just for proof that some indeed voted for him before the nominations were announced)
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Edited by - willus3 on 04/24/2010 06:32:59
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Guest9494
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Posted - 03/07/2010 : 22:29:02
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Guest4271
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Posted - 03/08/2010 : 01:39:30
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| Think its Duchane from Colorado, who figured this team would be this good, very good young group, thought also about Myers.....hes a stud on D, but this trophy usually goes by numbers |
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ryan93
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Posted - 03/08/2010 : 04:51:50
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| For me, although i really like Matt Duchene, unless he goes on a tear the here in the last stretch, i think the Calder is Tyler Myers' to lose. As i said in another thread, i think Jimmy Howard will be the 3rd nominee. |
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Posted - 03/08/2010 : 08:10:52
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As of right now, I give it to Tyler Myers. But boy is it close!
When the Leafs have played Buffalo, I've watched this Myers kid specifically and man, is he mature and steady for his age! And the kid brings a ton of skill and poise, and obviously a huge physical presence. I see a future Norris winner here if he continues to develop.
That being said, Duchene has put up some impressive numbers, and before falling off the face of the earth Tavares was doing great too. Howard has put Detroit in the playoffs for now, Van Riemsdyk has played really well for Philly and deserves a nod, and Evander Kane on Atlanta has been very good as well. Like you say, it is a great rookie batch here. Any of the above could easily pass Myers by the end of the year IMO.
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Alex116
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Posted - 03/08/2010 : 10:15:00
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Looks to me like a two horse race between Duchesne and Myers. I prob give a slight edge to Myers at this point but it's very close. D is a much tougher position to make an impact on as a rookie in the NHL. Also, as nice as Duchesne's stats are, they're not overwhelming compared to past Calder winners. He's on pace for approx 59pts and for a forward, that's not all that special. The past five forwards to have won the Calder had:
Kane - 72 pts
Malkin - 85 pts
Ovie - 106 pts
Heatley - 67 pts
Gomez - 70 pts
Still think Duchesne's got a shot at it but if voting were today, i'd say it's Myers. The last 18 or so games will likely decide this.
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baumer
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Posted - 03/08/2010 : 10:40:27
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| I think Myers has this one wrapped up. I actually expected more of a challenge from Hedman but it seems tampa is content bringing him along slowly. Duchesne will be great for years to come, Evander Kane just got hurt, and tavares fell off the face of the earth in the past 6 weeks. Jimmy Howard should at least get nominated but Myers is the winner in my mind. |
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Guest2846
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Posted - 03/08/2010 : 13:26:33
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What about Jason Demers
''GO SHARKS GO'' |
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ryan93
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Posted - 03/08/2010 : 14:27:00
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| I don't think TB have necessarily brought Hedman along slowly. I'm not sure how he's used when it comes to special teams, but he's averaging almost 22 minutes a game this season, 2nd among Lightning blueliners only to veteran Mattias Ohlund's 23 minutes a night. Hedman played 29:43 in a game against the Senators earlier this season. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 03/08/2010 : 15:09:37
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Originally posted by Guest2846
What about Jason Demers
''GO SHARKS GO''
What about him? He's a good young defenceman who's havinga good year for a rookie, however, not good enough compared to some of the other rookies to even be in the conversation for rookie of the year! I mean, really, do you believe he should even be one of the nominees for the Calder when you compare him to some of the others who've been mentioned?? C'mon.....
And while i'm standing high on this soapbox of mine, i'd like to thank whichever Leaf fans who are responsible for skewing this poll question with their voting for Gustavsson. Well done. He'll prob win the Hart too i suppose.  |
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Guest9836
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Posted - 03/09/2010 : 06:15:15
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| LOL... I'll take the conspiracy theory route and say it's likely Leaf haters making Leaf fans look bad. |
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Posted - 03/09/2010 : 07:12:17
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To all Leaf fans:
For the love of all that is white and blue, please, please, DO NOT VOTE FOR GUSTAVSSON. He has been an ok, average back-up goalie so far - nothing more, nothing less.
Myers, Duchene, Van Riemsdyk would be my three candidates right now, with Myers taking the trophy. But like I said, it's real close.
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Guest9836
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Posted - 03/09/2010 : 07:48:42
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I'm going to have to go with (In order):
1. Myers in 64 games - 8G, 24A, 32Pts, +3, 23:40 TOI
That's a ton of time for a rookie, and he's putting up some pretty lofty numbers too, on pace for over 10G, 40pts, a plus player with a important role on buffalo (number 1 in ice time on the team)
2. Howard in 47 games (45 started), 24W, 14L, 8OT, 1 SO, 2.37GAA, 0.924 Sv%
Great numbers on a team decimated by injuries over the course of the year (especially that Sv % - no.5 in the league). If Detroit sneaks into the playoffs he may be the main reason why.
3. Duchene in 65 games - 21G, 24A, 45Pts, +1, 17:21 TOI, 9 PP goals, 1 SH goals, 2 Game winners. These are decent stats, but I think past Calder winners have raised the bar for forwards as Alex116 showed. I'm not sure if he is as important to his team as the first 2 candidates, but he is a phenomal piece. |
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irvine
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Posted - 03/09/2010 : 12:01:13
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Well said Guest9836.
I agree with you completely. And Myers would be my top pick as well. The kid is a physical beast. Yet he can skate like he's 6'0, 205. He plays a well rounded game, logging a ton of ice time per game. Usually it takes longer for rookie defencemen to come in their own, but he's showing he's ready for the NHL today.
Irvine/prez. |
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Guest4271
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Posted - 03/09/2010 : 15:26:16
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| Im surprised no one is giving Tuukka Rask any consideration. I realize he will not win it , not enough games played but his numbers are actually better than Howards. In 26 GP his numbers are G.A.A of 2.15 and his SV% of .926. 14 wins and 8 losses. I think if he played more we would really be giving him some serious consideration. |
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ryan93
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Posted - 03/09/2010 : 17:51:56
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| Rask has been impressive in his first full season, but he's not getting any consideration in this thread for the very fact you stated, he's only played 26 games and only has 14 wins. Had he played the same number of games as Jimmy Howard has, then yes he'd probably be in the mix. But it's hard to take him seriously as far as the Calder is concerned when another goaltender has very similar statistical numbers, yet has twice as many victories. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 03/10/2010 : 07:01:41
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Honestly, I have only watched Tyler Myers 2 or 3 times this year. Have been impressed, especially with his skating for a guy who is 6'7". However, 2-3 time is not a reasonable amount of time to give a fair assessment.
I have watche Duchene enough to say that kid has a bright, bright future in the league. I love the way he plays.
Jimmy Howard?? Well numbers don't lie. But let's not forget that even with the injuires to the forwards, Detroit still has one of the top 5 defensive cores in the NHL. This is not comparable to what Mason did last year in CBJ with a far inferior defensive group. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 03/10/2010 : 19:12:24
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| Don't look now, but Myers just had a goal and 3 helpers tonight. Putting some pressure on Duchesne i bet? |
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Posted - 03/10/2010 : 20:45:22
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Yep, a signature game from Myers, and a first star.
He's got the size of a Pronger/Chara, and the smarts of a Niedermeyer . . . like I said, if he keeps this up (it is a big if, but still) he is a Norris candidate for the next ten years.
Actually - does anyone entertain thoughts of a rookie getting nominated for Norris?
His 4 point night puts him in the top 15 in points . . . 9g, 27a, 36 points, and after a +4 night he is +7, playing top minutes.
It's not so crazy after a game like tonight, and with a bit of a run at the point leaders for d-men, he could easily start getting mentioned.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
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ryan93
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Posted - 03/10/2010 : 21:08:53
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| While i think he'll take the Calder, i don't think he has a shot at the Norris at all. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 03/10/2010 : 22:28:42
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| Slozo, has it ever happened? A rookie winning the Calder i mean? I really don't know? In Myers' case, i don't think he's quite there. He'd have to go on a pretty good tear to have a shot at it i think. Thing is, some of the dmen who win the Norris seem to have to "bide their time" before winning it. I totally agree though, he'll be in the running sooner than later and will likely be there for many years to come. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 03/11/2010 : 00:00:39
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I don't think it's completely nuts to think that a rookie could get the Norris. Myers is the man in Buffalo, who is one of the better defensive teams in the league. They also don't really have a name in the top 6 defensemen other than Myers either so it's not like he's getting much support.
However, the Awards system in the NHL is incredibly political and for some reason heavily weighted towards offense.
I think it's going to be hard to not nominate Kieth, Green, and Doughty for the Norris. Lidstrom may get another sympathy nomination, but with 41 points and +19, hard to argue a ton. Pronger has been a rock(remember this isn't based on the Olympics) and Erhoff has really come into his own.
Myers is still in some pretty elite company to say a Norris nomination will happen.
As far as I can find there has never been a rookie win the Norris. Orr did it in his 2nd year. Most of the other players were 5+ years in the league before they won their first. Others (like Potvin) were just a couple years in.
However, I don't see a rookie on the list of Norris winners. |
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ryan93
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Posted - 03/11/2010 : 05:44:26
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Alex & Beans...a rookie winning the Calder...it happens every year  Norris on the other hand  |
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Alex116
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Posted - 03/11/2010 : 07:59:54
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Originally posted by ryan93
Alex & Beans...a rookie winning the Calder...it happens every year Norris on the other hand
Dayum! You nailed us Ryan  . My fault Beans, i started it
BTW, good points made Beans and i agree with your nominees (Doughty, Green and Keith). Wow, three guys who've never won? I totally agree with you that it's somewhat political and that's what i was alluding to before when i said they have to "bide their time". It just seems like they make you earn a few years respect before you're in that class of nominees? Be interesting to see if Lidstrom gets the nod over Doughty? I don't see how really, but it wouldn't shock me either.
Pronger has had a good year for Philly for sure and Ehrhoff has def exceeded expectations here in Van but i'd put them in a group right behind these others mentioned. Maybe in a terrible off year for dmen would they have an outside shot, but not this year! |
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hockster
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Posted - 03/18/2010 : 09:40:07
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Its gotta be Myers, no one else should even stand a chance against him. If you look at those past calder winners all of them were premier players in the league during their rookie season, and I believe Myers is the only premier player thats a rookie.
Flames for cup...eventually. |
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Guest9818
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Posted - 03/18/2010 : 10:26:43
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| Tell that to Andrew Raycroft |
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Tiller33
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Posted - 03/20/2010 : 15:05:26
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Myers is the answer, Tavares second and Demers third
Not at all saying he is near these guys but i'm really impressed with Tyler Bozak since the Olympics. He has 19 pts in 26 games played this season on a woeful Leafs offense. Certainly not saying he will maintain this throughout his career but if he works hard in the off-season and puts on some lean muscle he could become a solid second line player. The Leafs should hire Roberts to work some "Stamkos magic" on him. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 03/20/2010 : 15:10:13
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Originally posted by Tiller33
Myers is the answer, Tavares second and Demers third
Not at all saying he is near these guys but i'm really impressed with Tyler Bozak since the Olympics. He has 19 pts in 26 games played this season on a woeful Leafs offense. Certainly not saying he will maintain this throughout his career but if he works hard in the off-season and puts on some lean muscle he could become a solid second line player. The Leafs should hire Roberts to work some "Stamkos magic" on him.
Tiller, i'd be willing to bet a lot of money, that Duchesne will be a nominee in the least. He could still win it?
As for Bozak, i too think he's looked good. He may surprise a few next year and could be ready to prep in the off season for a real nice year? |
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Tiller33
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Posted - 03/20/2010 : 15:14:54
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Yep I wouldn't argue against Duchesne as a nominee, especially with the slide Tavares has been on (5 point game notwithstanding) and ya after looking at the stats i'd have to put him ahead of demers.
Still think its Myers to lose just because he is such an impact player for the sabres. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 03/20/2010 : 15:20:08
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| Agreed, it's Myers' to lose at this point. I wonder who the third nominee will be. Will Tavares get in on name? Will Demers, who's def a good young player. How 'bout Rask in Boston if he gets them into the playoffs? His numbers are really impressive but he does play on a team which has been forced to play a very defensive system this year! |
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Tiller33
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Posted - 03/20/2010 : 15:26:27
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If a goalie makes the ballot I'd give the nod to Jimmy howard for exactly the reason you mentioned Rask has a more defensive minded system and last years' Norris winner infront of him, as well as last years' Vezina winner mentoring him.
Howard has a whiny b!tch on his bench and a team that keeps desparately trying to play the offensive style they did last year and has struggled defensively. |
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Posted - 03/21/2010 : 13:00:39
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| Though Taveres is on fire and Myers is playing a good game; Duchene has a clear path to the Calder, i don't see Colorado slowing down anytime soon, therefore Duchene has it. |
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Guest6840
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Posted - 03/21/2010 : 13:01:29
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| Evander Kane is the best though :D |
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Guest9774
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Posted - 03/23/2010 : 09:53:44
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myers sucks 
duchene has it locked up and i am not just sayin that
you watch |
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Guest2846
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Posted - 04/08/2010 : 13:39:36
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Jonas Gustavsson easily
''GO SHARKS GO'' |
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Posted - 04/09/2010 : 10:50:30
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Myers, no question
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Posted - 04/09/2010 : 10:55:20
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| i really think howard is part of the reason why the red wings made the playoffs this year. Nobody of the team is doing as much as what they should. And howard totally replaced osgoof |
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ryan93
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Posted - 04/10/2010 : 18:44:37
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Howard has put up some pretty impressive numbers in his rookie season.
36-15, 2.27 GAA, .925sp%, 3 shutouts |
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HawkinOilCountry
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Posted - 04/10/2010 : 21:11:41
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Myers or Howard
Duchesne gets honorable mention.
The arena wall in chicago should be credited with a goal. |
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polishexpress
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Posted - 04/22/2010 : 15:08:05
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Well, looks like our poll is on track so far, with Duchene, and Myers up there in voting.
Howard didn't get much love, did he?
And all those leaf fans voting for Gustavsson.
They real have those blue tinted glasses on a lot, dont they?
Hey, by the way beans, are you starting to feel more positively about the leafs? If you are, you have a classic case of TMLAS, Toronto Maple Leafs Avatar Syndrome. |
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jetflames
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Posted - 04/22/2010 : 17:49:10
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I voted for Myers, he was a big part of an unknown defence, he managed 48 points on a team that struggled to score, he was 5th in team scoring.
He is a lot like Phaneuf a few years back who had 49 points in his rookie season on a defensive minded team. Only thing was Crosby and Ovechkin with 100 point seasons.
Myers gap between the forwards is much smaller, only 7 points.
Although Duchene has been very good and large part of the surprise Avalanche, there are three other rookies with over 20 points and Brandon Yip with 19 points in 32 games. They're getting a lot of help from there young players.
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Rookie of the Year - Calder Trophy 
