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semin-rules
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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 Posted - 10/04/2010 : 11:46:05
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Nazm kadri didn't make the maple leafs roster and got sent down to the marlies!!
Do you guys think that was the right decison or should they have signed
him?!
I think that he is a great hockey player and will go far in the future, he just has a little growing up to do. He is too small and would never make it against pronger or any of the big d-men ! Give him a few years and he will be a deadly force up front !
What do you guys think!?
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fanoleaf
Rookie
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Posted - 10/04/2010 : 12:06:36
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I think that it is a good move. There really is no need to rush him into the NHL. He is young and realistically the leafs are nowhere near at the level to go deep.
Let him further develop in the AHL to boost his game - speed, skills and confidence to be ready for the NHL. He needs to become more seasoned.
Look how the Wings develop their young talent, they all spend time in the AHL. If he is to become a top 6 forward this is what he needs IMO. |
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Guest9412
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Posted - 10/04/2010 : 12:11:49
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Kadri has a lot of upside in his offensive play but he looks lost defensively. He is no real help in his own end and the only guy who is allowed to get away with that in the NHL night after night is OV. Although Kadri added a good 15 pounds in the gym since last year he is still only 19 years old and and needs time to mature physically get his act together mentally.
He'll be good one day and I'm glad the club isn't putting on the roster just because he might get a few more points for them.
I heard him interviewed about not making the team and he was clearly bummed but I was impressed with how well he was dealing with it. At least he talked the talk. Hopefully he was sincere because I look forward to seeing him play when he is truly ready!! |
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 10/04/2010 : 12:17:41
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i`m not trying to be a jerk but i would like to see all the people who called Kadri scoring 90 pts this coming season, admitt that the sane and natural assesment is that he could very well be a 90 point player in the nhl in 4 or 5 years, again i`m not trying to be a jerk but look at players like Kane Toews Stamkos Tavares, Duschene pretty much every first overall pick except the generational talents like Ovie and Sid,, none of them steap into the NHL and score 90, Kadri will more than likly play a half season in the NHl this season, i would predict 44 games 9 goals 16 assists for 2010 - 2011,, then in 2011 - 2012 somewhere is the 75 games played 21 goals 35 assists, these are very reasonable expectations for a kid of Kadri`s skill set,
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Porkchop73
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 10/04/2010 : 15:03:14
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I think this is the best move the Leafs have made in a long time when it comes to their talented draft picks.
So many times they have rushed their youngsters ( or traded them away) only to have them fail. I think Kadri will be able to step up a few times this year but he should be way more capable of playing in NHL next year after playing a year in the AHL.
I also want to say that this Leaf fan never once said Kadri would put up 90 pts this year. The chances of any 1st rd pick topping 60 pts in todays NHL is pretty remote. There have been way more talented players in the past drafts that could even touch it. |
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
2312 Posts |
Posted - 10/04/2010 : 15:30:49
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Originally posted by Porkchop73
I think this is the best move the Leafs have made in a long time when it comes to their talented draft picks.
So many times they have rushed their youngsters ( or traded them away) only to have them fail. I think Kadri will be able to step up a few times this year but he should be way more capable of playing in NHL next year after playing a year in the AHL.
I also want to say that this Leaf fan never once said Kadri would put up 90 pts this year. The chances of any 1st rd pick topping 60 pts in todays NHL is pretty remote. There have been way more talented players in the past drafts that could even touch it.
On a side note i wasn`t directing the 90 pts thing at all leaf fans i know full well 99 % of you did not make such a foolish prediction
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Leafs81
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 10/04/2010 : 15:39:58
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Pasty I never heard a Leaf fan saying he would hit 90 points this season. Maybe as top in his career, but not this season. I would be curious to see what Leaf fan you are referring to. Maybe some fans said that (one or two tops) but it's definitly not a majority.
I also think this is a good move, he needs at least a year in the AHL. I said this right from the beginning. Plus Burke is the type of gm that doesn't rush his young talent into the lineup.
The lack of depth will probably get Kadri a few call ups in case of injuries during the season, when he comes up, if he shows he's ready then and only then we will see him regulary.
Also Pasty I would like to point out that the numbers you showed are really realistic, and I'm hoping for similar stats. |
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Leafs81
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 10/04/2010 : 15:40:59
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Originally posted by Pasty7
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Originally posted by Porkchop73
I think this is the best move the Leafs have made in a long time when it comes to their talented draft picks.
So many times they have rushed their youngsters ( or traded them away) only to have them fail. I think Kadri will be able to step up a few times this year but he should be way more capable of playing in NHL next year after playing a year in the AHL.
I also want to say that this Leaf fan never once said Kadri would put up 90 pts this year. The chances of any 1st rd pick topping 60 pts in todays NHL is pretty remote. There have been way more talented players in the past drafts that could even touch it.
On a side note i wasn`t directing the 90 pts thing at all leaf fans i know full well 99 % of you did not make such a foolish prediction
Pasty
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The Duke
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 10/04/2010 : 15:55:47
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After watching kadri play pre-season...this is definitely the right move for now. I thought he was going to be more ready but he clearly is not, maybe 30 games or so into the AHL season he could possibly step in and help out.
Question i have for Edmonton fans is what are they going to do with all their youngsters ? Leafs only have Kadri to focus on right now...Oilers have got 3...are they going to play ?
If the NHL is not the answer for kadri right now...should it be the answer for Hall, Eberle and M.P.Sven ?? Oiler fans what do you think ? |
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Guest0009
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Posted - 10/04/2010 : 17:01:19
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Originally posted by The Duke
After watching kadri play pre-season...this is definitely the right move for now. I thought he was going to be more ready but he clearly is not, maybe 30 games or so into the AHL season he could possibly step in and help out.
Question i have for Edmonton fans is what are they going to do with all their youngsters ? Leafs only have Kadri to focus on right now...Oilers have got 3...are they going to play ?
If the NHL is not the answer for kadri right now...should it be the answer for Hall, Eberle and M.P.Sven ?? Oiler fans what do you think ?
There's no pressure on the young oilers, and YES they WILL play.
There is no pressure because they don't have a jackass GM or readership hungry media telling everyone they will WIN. The oilers are not expected to move up to much from LAST place - so no pressure, go out and play young guns!!!
Contrary to leafs' young guns - ALL the pressure is on them to deliver burke's empty promises....... |
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Guest9412
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Posted - 10/05/2010 : 06:09:40
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| Wow - Never fails to amaze me how people can be so angry towards the Leafs. A friendly question to the Oilers fans and this guy goes off on a tear about how great they treat their players vs. the Leafs. lol - Someone finally shows interest in your long lost forgotten franchise and you get all bitter and grumpy. I guess I can see how that would happen living in Calgary's shadow. lol |
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
2312 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2010 : 06:30:50
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yeah seriously ever think Duke didn't get to see much of the 3 kids in Edmonton this pre season and wanted the opinions of someone who follows their game with a keen intresst and regularity,,,, i mean in another thread Duke asked me what i thought about Carey Price this coming season..... me being a habs fan that follows the team,, i sincerly don't believe it was made to bash or insult and more to have a good convorsation... which is why i come to this forum,,,,
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 10/05/2010 : 07:44:31
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The problem in Edmonton isn't the big three everyone discusses(Eberle, Hall, Pajaarvi) it is the other 5-6 prospects they have that are in the same boat as Kadri. Guys like Petri, Piotet, Omark, Landers all have NHL talent but still need a little polish before they make the club.
As far as Hall, Pajaarvi, and Eberle they will absolutely play. However, one of them will fall to the 3rd line at least during the start of the season. Here is what Edmonton's lines are looking like for opening day.
Hemsky - Horcoff - ?????
Penner - Gagner - ?????
Brule - Cogliano - ?????
Jones - Frasier - Stortini
Gilbert - Whitney
Foster - Smid
Strudwich/Peckham - Vandermeer
Khabibulin
Deslauriers/Dubnyk
As you can see, there are three question marks on the top three lines that will be filled in with Hall, Pajaarvi, and Eberle. I believe that is the order they have been ranked through the pre-season. Not only do the Oilers have enough holes for them all to play, but they all earned it. They have all shown either big league speed(Hall and Pajaarvi) or skill (Eberle).
The other thing the Edmonton kids have going for them is they can afford to play the rooks as they have openly admitted to rebuilding and are not expecting(nor are expected) to win this season. The Leafs (specifically Phaneuf and Burke) have made some pretty bold statements regarding this season and they can't afford to have any loses based on rookie mistakes. They will be in tough any way you look at it to make the playoffs.
Regarding Kadri, more than likely the right move him to start down on the farm. I did not see a ton of him play, but he really only impressed my the one night he has 2 g and 1 a. Ultimately, there were times where he looked to be a fish out of water and neither he nor the Leafs are going to benefit from him being an NHL player 1 out of every 5 nights. One of the few things I can agree with Burke on is that if Kadri can't play on one of the top 2 lines, he doesn't belong yet. That is the fear I have about the kids in Edmonton. One of them will be on the 3rd line and it might be a waste.
Who is the coach for the Marlies??? Does he have the chops to bring this kid up to speed??? |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
8286 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2010 : 10:42:32
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Originally posted by Porkchop73
I also want to say that this Leaf fan never once said Kadri would put up 90 pts this year. The chances of any 1st rd pick topping 60 pts in todays NHL is pretty remote. There have been way more talented players in the past drafts that could even touch it.
I think this statement is more than a little bit of a stretch.
Firstly, in the past 10 years there have been 12 different rookies that have had seasons of 60 points or more and 25 with more than 50 points. Of the past 10 seasons, 7 seasons produced at least one 60 point rookie and 3 of the seasons had multiple 60 points rookies.
Ultimately, significantly more rookies will not get anywhere near 60 points however to say the chances are remote??? It does happen, often. Normally, the best offensive rookies are over 50 points and often at 60 points.
Below is a list of those players. As you can see, many of them are very early 1st round draft picks. It actually not that far off to think that a top 5 pick can get 50 points in his first full NHL season.
Kadri is not a top 5 pick however, I can see him getting in about 1/2 the games this season and getting bettern 25-30 points. Next season, as a full timer, 50 is not a huge stretch as long as he can stand up to an 82 game season.
Player Points Season
A. Ovechkin - 106 - 2005/2006
S. Crosby - 102 - 2005/2006
E. Malkin - 85 - 2006/2007
P. Stastny - 78 - 2006/2007
P. Kane - 72 - 2007/2008
S. Gomez - 70 - 1999/2000
N. Backstrom - 69 - 2007/2008
B. Boyes - 69 - 2005/2006
D. Heatley - 67 - 2001/2002
M. Ryder - 63 - 2003/2004
B. Richards - 62 - 2000/2001
A. Kopitar - 61 - 2006/2007
B. Ryan - 57 - 2008/2009
M. Duchene - 55 - 2009/2010
J. Jokinen - 55 - 2005/2006
J. Tavares - 54 - 2009/2010
J. Toews - 54 - 2007/2008
P. Mueller - 54 - 2007/2008
K. Versteeg - 53 - 2008/2009
T. Hunter - 51 - 2003/2004
I. Kovalchuk - 51 - 2001/2002
A. Tanguay - 51 - 1999/2000
W. Wolski - 50 - 2006/2007
M. Svatos - 50 - 2005/2006
M. York - 50 - 1999/2000
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The Duke
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1239 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2010 : 15:17:28
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Dallas Eakins is the Marlies coach Beans, he is supposedly great with young players, so they say.
I`d simply say that if AHL seasoning is good for young players than 1 is no diffrent than the other, crosby and ovie would be outside the box i guess.
Yes Pasty i simply had some interest in the Oilers 3 rookies, these players make the league and hockey pools interesting. Really enjoyed watching the oilers in the 80`s.
The habs have a great one in Subban, this guy is going to be some kind of a leader, captain maybe someday. Only played several games last year but made a lasting impression. |
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The Duke
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1239 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2010 : 15:19:22
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| Dam this post was suppose to be in another thread....lol....guess i must have jumped something )) |
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Porkchop73
PickupHockey Pro
640 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2010 : 16:43:00
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OK Beans, I will say it LESS LIKELY for MOST players drafted in the first rd to hit 60pts. I look at the list you have provided and see many players that are NHL stars in the NHL today.
Lets look at the top 5 drafted players each of the last 10 years that didn't make 60. I will only include forward since it is even more LESS LIKELY for a Dman to get there
Lets start with last year: Matt Duchene,John Tavares,Evander Kane
2008: Steven Stamkos
2007: James Van Riemsdyk
2006: Jordan Staal, Jonathon Toews, Phil Kessel
2005: Bobby Ryan, Benoit Pouliot
2004: Andrew Ladd, Blake Wheeler
2003: Eric Staal, Nathan Horton, Nikolai Zherdov, Thomas Vanek
2002: Rick Nash,
2001: Ilya Kovalchuk, Jason Spezza, Alexander Svitov, Stephen Weiss, Stanislav Chistov
2000: Marion Gaborik, Raffi Torres
I don't know Beans, I look at the list of players who couldn't get 60 pts in their rookie season and it is a pretty impressive list of players. Including a few 1st overall players who have gone on to be 50 goal scorers.
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
8286 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2010 : 20:25:06
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Agreed. There is no doubt that far more draft picks do not get to the 60 point plateau in their first year. However, there are enough that do to say it's not a stretch.
That was my point. |
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