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 Posted - 12/16/2010 : 06:34:10
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Odin - it would be disingenuous to say that Montreal is ok without Markov when only talking about 24 games. Yes, Montreal's record has been absolutely stellar without Markov . . . but Price has been playing off his head, and the defence above theirs.
In my estimation, that cannot and will not last. I am not saying that Montreal won't make the playoffs . . . I think they will be there. But I predict that they will not be top three by the end of the year.
In the end, especially in the last half of the season when defences tighten up, I think they will really miss Markov - that's all.
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Mario 66
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Posted - 12/16/2010 : 08:46:43
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Why is Markov all of sudden the crucial part to the habs season? The so called insurance to their success! Has everyone forgotten the guy has basically missed the last 3yrs due to various injuries.
08-09 he was a stud but then had an upperbody injury keep him out of the playoffs
09-10 - lascerated tendon first game of the season out more then half the season, then messed up his knee in the playoffs 1st game second round and they still nearly made the cup finals.
10-11- Messed up his knee again and yet they are still a top 6 team in the league.
The guy has played maybe a 110 gamess the last 3yrs and they still continue to make the playoffs. Sorry i can hardly attribute their success to Andrei Markov
He is a great player however; he is not crucial to the success of the habs like say a chara or pronger are to their respective teams. I could say lidstrom as well but the fwds on that team back check so well that they could survive a period of time without him.
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Pasty7
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Posted - 12/16/2010 : 13:32:02
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Originally posted by Mario 66
Why is Markov all of sudden the crucial part to the habs season? The so called insurance to their success! Has everyone forgotten the guy has basically missed the last 3yrs due to various injuries.
08-09 he was a stud but then had an upperbody injury keep him out of the playoffs
09-10 - lascerated tendon first game of the season out more then half the season, then messed up his knee in the playoffs 1st game second round and they still nearly made the cup finals.
10-11- Messed up his knee again and yet they are still a top 6 team in the league.
The guy has played maybe a 110 gamess the last 3yrs and they still continue to make the playoffs. Sorry i can hardly attribute their success to Andrei Markov
He is a great player however; he is not crucial to the success of the habs like say a chara or pronger are to their respective teams. I could say lidstrom as well but the fwds on that team back check so well that they could survive a period of time without him.
Lemieux owns Gretzky
Joel Bouchard had an interesting point at the begining of this season and he backed it up with some very solid stats that i'm trying to get my hands on, basicly he was saying the habs MVP since his arrival here has been Cammalleri, the stats were something to the effect of how Cammy goes is how the habs going, he showed every loseing streak the habs over the course of last season and this season, and showed that almost everytime the habs went into a slump Cammalleri step it up and going off on one of his scoring streaks and get the habs back in the win colum. I am really trying to find the stat spread Joel had it was insane , lituarally everytime the habs needed someone to get them going Cammalleri rose to the occaision he i think has taken Markov's place as Montreal game breaker... just look last night the habs dominated the entire second period but couldn't find the back of the net some on the pp Martin puts Cammalleri on the point for the remainder of a pp what happens? Richards has the puck at the line and Cammalleri does everything to strip him of the puck and then set up the habs first goal, No the habs do not need Markov anymore Cammalleri is the go to guy now
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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Pasty7
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Posted - 12/16/2010 : 16:27:43
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just to prove my point the habs are on a 3 game skid their first of the season who just scored at 18:27 of the first period for the habs?? thats right the little Italien (wait we have more than one of those lol)
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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Mario 66
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Posted - 12/17/2010 : 06:59:35
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Patsy beyond the streaks and all that Bouchard indicates. You simply need to look at the series against the pens last yr and Cammelari almost single handedly beat the pens the way Halak beat the Caps.
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Odin
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Posted - 12/17/2010 : 07:12:56
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Slozo, a quarter of a season is actually a pretty good barometer in my opinion. But the problem with that is it's anything but. He missed most of last season and as I said, has been out for the better part of a year, and the Habs have proven that they can still win w/o him. Once upon a time he was the definition of the Habs fortunes but that is no longer the case as has been pointed out.
These aren't the same Habs of two years ago. Does Markov make them better when he's in? Sure. Do they need him to win? No. As you say, Price has been stellar, and seeing the way he is playing, calm and confident, I don't see a colapse happening anytime soon. The defence playing above their head? Don't think so, they have a solid lineup on the blueline. If they can get Subban better under control, they will be better and I have been pleasantly surprised by Picard.
They have two lines that can score and a pretty good checking line and a 4th line that contributes. With the system put in place, a great job done by the coaching staff, it all translates into a pretty good team. |
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ToXXiK1
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Posted - 01/20/2011 : 10:02:37
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Update on injuries, cammy worst than reported:
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=350130
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Alex116
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Posted - 01/20/2011 : 10:17:03
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| The Habs are in tough, and Price is gonna have to keep playing at a high level for them to maintain their spot in the middle of the playoff seeds! |
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Mario 66
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Posted - 01/20/2011 : 10:52:16
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If the habs didn't have bad luck they would have no luck at all this yr. Top two D gone for the yr, top forward gone for a month or more & their best prospect gone for a month or more. Anybody wanna determine if it will be Price or Louis Leblanc to go down next?
All the best to them i think they can hold on to the 7th or 8 seed but only time will tell.
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