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Guest9052
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 Posted - 01/12/2011 : 10:46:20
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Grabovski, Kulemin, and MacArthur are all on pace to shatter career highs.
Kessel and Versteeg on pace to match their best seasons with their respective teams, and Luke Schenn has developed into a reliable solid Dman.
Although maybe temporary, the lines are clicking. Are the Leafs better than perceived?
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ToXXiK1
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Posted - 01/12/2011 : 10:57:52
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| I don't think so, as they're below or equal to exactly where they were this time last year. Now, if they can string together more of these surprising streaks (surprising due to the wins are generally against teams they shouldn't be beating) with wins they deffinately should be getting, and then they'll be percieved as better. It can only be measured against where they were and where they're going. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/12/2011 : 11:37:21
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No they are not. Even though some of those players are over-acheiving on their past production, other players are significantly under performing. Dion Phaneuf is on pace for 2 goals and 19 points which is disgusting even considering the injury. Actually, there isn't a single defensemen who is meeting their offensive potential. Giguere is on pace for his worst save % and GAA season ever which is again disgusting even considering the injury.
No, the Leafs are still a bad hockey team who are on a hot streak right now. 10 games from now more likely to be 3-7-0 than they are 6-4-0. Then what will the perception be???
Finally, this comment is the exact reason why guys like me can post the 'plan the parade' comments and people outside of TO will laugh every time. For every reasonable Leafs fans the perception is there are 10 guys who are planning parades. It's not fair to those reasonable Leaf fans(and you know who you are) but life isn't far.
Every team has goofy fans. When you cheer for the team with the most fans in the NHL, you also have the most goofy fans. |
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The Duke
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Posted - 01/12/2011 : 12:12:32
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Guess we will find out after another 10 games .
Leafs are 11 points behind Altalta ( 8 th place ) with 3 games still in hand. Lets see if they can win these 3 games. If the leafs can get within 5 points with a long season left.....well it will sure be interesting.
I watched a 1980 USA oylmpic team made up of kids beat a world renowned ( in their prime ) Russia Red Army team ...to win a gold medal....anything can happen in hockey.
Beans your right...many leafs WERE and ARE under-performing...maybe they are due to step it up. As for Giguere...he is hurt...[b]He IS NOT winning these games[/b, Reimer is. |
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polishexpress
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Posted - 01/12/2011 : 12:22:58
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Are the leafs better than perceived?
It depends how you perceived them in the first place.
Personally, I expected them to be an under .500 hockey team, and they are still 2 games under .500.
So, until they are way above .500, no they are no better than I perceived. |
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Guest7752
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Posted - 01/12/2011 : 13:02:00
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Originally posted by Guest9052
Grabovski, Kulemin, and MacArthur are all on pace to shatter career highs.
Kessel and Versteeg on pace to match their best seasons with their respective teams, and Luke Schenn has developed into a reliable solid Dman.
Although maybe temporary, the lines are clicking. Are the Leafs better than perceived?
Would you have asked this question about 2 or 3 weeks ago while the waffles were falling?
I don't think so....
What's changed since that merits this question, besides one line suddenly clicking?
They're exactly where they were percieved to be - if not, still failing to be where they were percieved to be. And thst's because:
Burke, Wilson and Captain Phaneuf told the fans at the start of the season that Playoffs are THE goal with THIS team, and failing is not an option.
Suddenly, today... Grabovski, Kulemin, MacArthur are TRADE bait - and no-one is talking about Kaberle being traded any more.... that's NOT being better than percieved... it's being worse than percieved because the talk is to trade your best performers and start over. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/12/2011 : 13:16:46
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Originally posted by polishexpress
Are the leafs better than perceived?
It depends how you perceived them in the first place.
Personally, I expected them to be an under .500 hockey team, and they are still 2 games under .500.
So, until they are way above .500, no they are no better than I perceived.
2 games under .500?? If you are not including OT losses!!
TO's record is 18-20-4. That means they are 6 games under .500, not 2.
Considering they have won 4 straight, it makes team appear far better. They were just 10 games under .500 at the 1/2 way point of the season. |
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The Duke
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Posted - 01/12/2011 : 17:53:47
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Thats not altogether true Beans...if there are ONLY 2 POINTS available in a single hockey game and you obtain 1 point, i think that qualifies as .500.
If you lose out-right ....you LOSE 2 POINTS.
If you get 0 points.............thats a 0 avg.
If you get 1 point...............thats a .500 avg.
If you get 2 points.............thats a 1000 avg.
Your arguement swings 2 ways. If an eastern team loses in a shootout to a western team, they`ve actually gained 1 new point in the eastern conference, that 1 point would not ( appear ) be registered in the eastern conference compared to a loss.
Then again....( if 2 eastern teams are playing ) a loss to another eastern team ( via overtime or shootout ) would be giving up a point. Even then YOU STILL GET A POINT....which goes back to...0 - 1 - 2 points, with the 1 being in the middle therefore making it .500.
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/12/2011 : 20:52:36
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No Duke, you are wrong. I am referning to a team's win/loss record. You are refering to a stat that the NHL records as point percentage which is far different.
A team could go 0-0-82 in a season and gain 82 points.
A team could go 41-41-0 in a season and gain 82 points.
One of them is a .500 hockey team and the other has lost ever game in the season.
Regardless, Leafs are not a being .500 team in point percentage either. The Leafs have played 42 games meaning there is a potential for 84 total points and the Leafs have 40 points.
They are not a .500 hockey team in win/loss nor a .500 hockey team in point percentage.
So it is all together true. |
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 06:14:14
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Exactly Beans. Let's use the Oilers as an example:
Their record is currently 13 W, 21 L, and 7 OTL.
That is good for 2nd worst in the league, tied with the NY Islanders for that distinction.
Now let's take out the blasted shootout stats, which tend to muddle up all the other stuff. I certainly don't think a guy making one fancy move on a manufactured clear breakaway should indicate a win or a loss, as it isn't real hockey. So, the Edmonton Oiler stats for games going to a shootout:
1 W, 6 L
(wow, for all the young kids and their fancy moves, they really suck inthe shootout!)
So, I will make all shootouts a "tie", to bring it back old school into a real hockey record that we can know and understand, and give us a better reflection of how good/bad a team really is. And any shootout win is taken away from that collumn (and moved to the tie collumn). Thus, the REAL record for the Oil is:
12 W 21 L 8 T
Which would be 32 points, in real terms.
That's a real bad team right there, no matter how many B+ grade prospects they have! 
On the other hand, let's look at Toronto (18 W, 20 L, 4 OTL) and see how their adjusted record looks in REAL hockey terms, making the same adjustments as I did for the Oil:
Their shootout record is 3 W, 2 L . . . so take away the 3 W and move them to the tie column, and make the losses ties, and you get:
15 W, 20 L, 7 T
Not a great record either really, but not the worst. Certainly not as bad as the Oil, who really suck, and are probably going to totally tank for the rest of the season.
The Leafs, on the other hand, are playing better, and obviously they are on a bit of a streak right now, but even in the losses, it's been close.
So yeah, I think that the Leafs are better than perceived . . . once you fight through all the hate and envy from people who don't respect Leafs Nation, you realise that the Leafs are probably better than their record, and may well move up a couple of spots in the second half.
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Alex116
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 08:16:07
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Wasn't this pretty much exactly what Beans was pointing out, that the Leafs really aren't close to .500? Slozo, 15-20 (ignore the "ties") is not really a team that is close to .500 in my mind, not after the half way point of the season. Sure, they're only 5 games off, but this includes the mini 4 game win streak they're currently on (not to mention their hot start). However, over a full season, a 5 games under pace quickly becomes 10 if you extrapolate it.
Unless i missed it, i didn't see Beans saying the Oilers were doing well or are a better team right now or really anything of that sort? Why are you comparing the two teams? Is that a shot at Beans for dissing your team? Heck, when i read his comment For every reasonable Leafs fans the perception is there are 10 guys who are planning parades. It's not fair to those reasonable Leaf fans(and you know who you are) but life isn't far. ", i assumed you were one of the ones included in the "reasonable Leaf fans" he was referring to? Maybe i was wrong to assume that? |
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The Duke
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 08:34:17
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Doesn`t matter how you twist it, the NHL format is what it is.
Leafs are 18 - 20, so that is 2 games under .500........1 point games are a wash, nothing more - nothing less. |
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 08:49:02
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Originally posted by Alex116
Wasn't this pretty much exactly what Beans was pointing out, that the Leafs really aren't close to .500? Slozo, 15-20 (ignore the "ties") is not really a team that is close to .500 in my mind, not after the half way point of the season. Sure, they're only 5 games off, but this includes the mini 4 game win streak they're currently on (not to mention their hot start). However, over a full season, a 5 games under pace quickly becomes 10 if you extrapolate it.
Unless i missed it, i didn't see Beans saying the Oilers were doing well or are a better team right now or really anything of that sort? Why are you comparing the two teams? Is that a shot at Beans for dissing your team? Heck, when i read his comment For every reasonable Leafs fans the perception is there are 10 guys who are planning parades. It's not fair to those reasonable Leaf fans(and you know who you are) but life isn't far. ", i assumed you were one of the ones included in the "reasonable Leaf fans" he was referring to? Maybe i was wrong to assume that?
Yes, it was what Beans was pointing out, and I agreed with him. Just thought I'd provide a better example of what a bad, losing team is, that's all.
I make no shots, I only report the facts.
And the 10 guys planning parades route thing is easy to prove as 100% false . . . as I cannot find even one Leaf fan - including the Duke, perhaps our most exuberant and optimistic Leafer on this site - who was or is planning a parade route. At times he has been ridiculously optimistic, yes; planning a parade route, no.
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 09:05:52
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Oh Slozo, I'm rubber and you are glue.
The thread is not who is a better team today between the Oilers and Leafs, it's are the Leafs better than perceived. If you want me to admit the Leafs are a better team today than the Leafs than it's really easy. They are a better team today. This thread is about the perception of the Leafs and if they are better than that perception. Clearly, at the start of the season the perception was this team would fight for a playoff spot. They are no where close. Hence, the are not as good as perceived. 2-4 game winning streaks through a season does not change that.
Your clear shot at the B+ level prospects is one of the most, if not the most ignorant thing I have read from your posts. If you honestly believe that and are not just trying to stir this pot, I will use a line you are famous for on this site and say you have just lost all credibility. If it was a shot to stir the pot, it's obvious you were successful. Touche.
Now, to the point in hand. Duke, you can't just dump OTL's out the window. A loss is still a loss. The 1 point game is NOT a wash. It would be a wash under the old system of 1 point for each team in the event of a tie. In OT games today, one team will still get 2 points and the other team get's one. Last time I checked 2 does not equal 1 so I can't understand how they are a wash.
The Leafs are not 18-20. They are 18-20-4 meaing 18 wins and 24 total losses. That is not two games under .500. This is not a matter of opinion we are disagreeing on. This is fact. Or is there a different system of math taught outside of Alberta??? |
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 14:38:16
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As long as the leafs keep playing like they have the past 5 games things should be looking decent. the offense seems to be prducing fairly consistently now, the defence has been ok and Reimer has provided excellent goaltending. Fans can criticize the offence all they want for lack of production, but here on the projections for some of the forwards:
60-70 pts. Kulimen, Grabo, MacArthur.
50-60 pts. Kessel, Versteeg, Kaberle.
With a stong finish Bozak and Armstrong could get around 40 pts
Not bad for a team with no first-liners! |
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The Duke
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 17:34:40
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Beans it is true that RIGHT NOW the leafs are not even close to a playoff spot, but the season isn`t over yet,,only half way there.
I know we need a lot of things to fall in our favor to reach this goal but they will not give up. I`m telling you i`ve watched a lot of hockey and i see something in this teams play lately ( determination ) that i have not seen in a leaf team for a long, long time.
Maybe the # of games left ( time ) will be their enemy but i honesty think they will be getting a lot closer. |
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The Duke
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 17:40:07
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P.S...math is the same everywhere...
If you have 2 apples and i have 1 apple....I have 50 % of the apples you have .500
If you have 2 cars and i have 1 car.....I have 50 % of the cars you have .500
If you get 2 points and i get 1 point....I have 50 % of the points that you have .500
How can you argue with that simple math ? |
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 17:53:37
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I have one win and one loss
You have one win and an overtime loss.
Same = Same. An overtime loss is still a loss.
You are referring to the points % stat, not the win/loss % stat.
Either way, the Leafs are not .500 in either. The Leafs are 6 games under .500 in the win/loss comparison. They have played 42 games which means 84 points were available. They have 40 points which is less than .500.
If you want me to say they have a better point % than they have a win/loss % than fine, you are correct. But that does not change the fact that the Leafs have 18 wins and 24 losses and are 6 games under .500.
How can you argue with simple math??
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polishexpress
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 22:42:50
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You can argue with simple math if you do not assume that the axioms of so-called simple math have been proven.
But, very quickly, someone could prove them, and then, you would be arguing with simple math.
Side note, sorry for forgetting about the OT/SO loss column that started the debate above.
As of end of Jan 13,2011 the Leafs are 18-21-4. That means they played 43 games(18+21+4). They have won only 18 games.
18/43=0.419 which is well under .500 hockey.
43 games = 86pts available. they have 40pts. 40/86=0.465, also under .500 hockey.
Either way, if you didn't perceive that the Leafs were not a good hockey club, you are either
A)In need of a visit to the optometrist
B)Think George Armstrong still wears the "C" for the Leafs
C)New to hockey.
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Posted - 01/14/2011 : 05:22:48
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Beans - you'd have to start an actual Edmonton Oilers thread for me to comment further on your prospects . . . and I haven't seen a new Oilers thread in a while. Must be because all the Oiler fans care to do is talk about the Leafs!
polishexpress - your math/logic is off, as no one of even half decent hockey knowledge recognises a shootout win or shootout loss the same as a regulation or even overtime win/loss. It just isn't the same thing . . . and that is why to get a truer sense of it, I throw out all the shootout wins and losses into the tie category, and put an overtime loss in the loss category, for my own purposes . . . makes things a bit clearer.
And what's "good"? Playoff contender? Because if that is good, then I would say a good half of all hockey pundits guessed that the Leafs would fight for a playoff spot this year, and that they'd have trouble scoring, so it would depend on some big variables.
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Guest9412
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Posted - 01/14/2011 : 05:41:02
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At the beginning of the season my expectation was the Leafs should finish around 20th in the league. So they are under performing.
Grabovski and MacArthur are both performing wayyy better than expected. Grabovski for all his effort is actually finding the net which was never expected. Both of these player should be trade bait as far as I am concerned because both should fetch more than they are worth.
The most interesting thing to watch is this young goalie. If he can put together a consistent effort through the rest of the season (if given the chance) the Leafs could move Giggy again. There will be several teams interested in a proven performer for their playoff run.
And to the 'plan the parade' critics. Relax. It's a game - have some fun and don't be so bitter just because your team sucks too. lol |
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Guest9052
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Posted - 01/14/2011 : 06:37:25
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As much as I agree with the DUKE, I have to side with BEANS on this one. From my understanding, ".500" is a baseball term. (where they don't have ties) It means as many win as losses.(which the Leafs don't have) And with the third point added it really confuses things. To apply this to hockey is really quite unreasonable. However, I can see how there would be confusion on this matter. Sorry Duke, I think we are a ways behind .500.
Now, I probably should have clarified my question, though I don't quite know how to phrase it.
I am a die hard Leafs fan, but I watch a lot more hockey than just Toronto games.
When the season began I did not have playoff expectations.(nor do I now) But I also figured we wouldn't be too far out. Maybe 18-22 area.(which is still obtainable)
So if you get all your "knowledge" of the Leafs from the media, I'm Sorry for you.
I don't know what other markets are like for sports media, but here they are relentless. "hey Nazem Khadri, hope you like extra pressure"
Also, I don't understand how someone can hold a FAN accountable for trades, deals, and signings. MLSE doesn't send out a poll like they do in Edmonton. hehe (no beef Beans, just a joke.)
So I guess it is hard for you all to know how I perceived the Leafs to be. And I knew they were hated around the League(the most I think), but perception is a tricky thing.
But are the Leafs better than the standings show them currently?
Peace all
T-RAV
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Oilearl
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Posted - 01/14/2011 : 08:22:02
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| As an Oiler fan I don't start threads about the Oilers because I am aware of the teams status winning or losing. I guess if I was a leaf fan I would have to try and salvage anything by getting into such meaningless banter. As an Oiler fan with a young team struggling and learning every game (which goes hand in hand with a rebuild) I feel pretty good about where the Oilers are going you can't say the same about the leafs. .500 or not they are not a good team. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 01/14/2011 : 08:54:21
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actually TRAV, ".500" is a mathematical representation for percentages, and translates to "50%" or "half of 1.00" or "50/50" - it does not belong to a particular sport. The only relationship to sports is that sports calculate percentages as a measure of team and individual success or failure.
A "win-loss" record is not a measure of how many points you got vs how many you could have had. It is a record of wins and losses and nothing more, which is why Beans is correct. An OT loss is a loss, not a "half loss" or a "half win" or a "sort-of-loss". You lost the game. The Leafs are currently 7 games below .500 |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 01/14/2011 : 09:00:39
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As an Oiler fan with a young team struggling and learning every game (which goes hand in hand with a rebuild) I feel pretty good about where the Oilers are going you can't say the same about the leafs. .500 or not they are not a good team.
I think that is the real crux of the argument. With the Leafs, they may have a better record now than the Oil, but there is no real reason to think that they'll improve on that record - they don't have much in the cupboard to build the future on, and you could see them sort of stumbling along building a team each year out of patchwork players and finishing high enough in the standings to be respectable, but as a result not get those coveted high draft picks.
the Oil on the other hand, might not be doing well now, but they have a solid looking future. 3-5 years from now, if all goes according to plan, they could be a western powerhouse, and will almost certainly be doing much better than the Leafs.
So what do you want more? A few more points now, or the promise of something better later? |
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Alex116
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Posted - 01/14/2011 : 09:06:05
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I see both sides to this. An OTL (overtime loss) and a shootout loss are both just that, LOSSES. That's simply the way the game is today. They've made changes over the years just like they have with other rules and technically they are losses.
For those of you on the other side, it's kinda like us looking at the Canucks streak and comparing it to others. Had the Canucks gone on to 35+ games with a point, it still wouldn't be considered an "unbeaten streak". That's exactly why the media wasn't calling it an unbeaten streak. They counted the OTL's as losses!
I understand that if we didn't have OT or SO's then yes, these would be ties. Back in the 70's for example, the Leafs record would look a bit better because of this, but this isn't the 70's. OT and SO's give both teams an equal opportunity to win or lose, so it's fair.
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Posted - 01/14/2011 : 09:14:58
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Originally posted by The Duke
P.S...math is the same everywhere...
If you have 2 apples and i have 1 apple....I have 50 % of the apples you have .500
If you have 2 cars and i have 1 car.....I have 50 % of the cars you have .500
If you get 2 points and i get 1 point....I have 50 % of the points that you have .500
How can you argue with that simple math ?
If you lose in overtime and gain 1 point the other team gains 2 points that means there was 3 points awarded you recieved 1 out of 3 there for you have 33% of the points awarded
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polishexpress
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Posted - 01/14/2011 : 10:44:10
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Guest4803, Duke was aware of this. He was simply trying to argue his point in saying that 1pt is half of 2pts, regardless of how many points are awarded. (Pointless as this arguing is.)
@Slozo My logic isn't off. I showed that the point percentage for the leafs was under .500. You know you can find that stat as the 6th column on the team stats page on NHL.com, right after GP,W,L,OT, and P columns.
As regards to winning, the current NHL rules state that if you win in the SO, it also counts as a win, regardless of your opinion of it as a circus act.
2pts are 2pts, and at the end of the season, they are still in your win column in the current NHL. Though I agree with your arguments Slozo, the current rules disagree with you in counting wins.
I think the NHL has the right idea, call it PT% and be done with it.
Still, either way you look at it, TO is at .465 PT%, EDM is at .417PT%.
The best in the NHL, VAN, is at .721, second best is somewhere in the .600 range. In fact, as of stats from before games on today, Jan 14,2010, the average PT% is .556
Both our teams are under the average. Once again, the current perception of the leafs is just that, below average. And, in reality, they are no better, they are simply a below average hockey club, no jabs intended at their potential and/or lack thereof.
Again, the Leafs are NOT better than perceived. |
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Posted - 01/14/2011 : 11:31:28
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Well polishexpress,
Regardless of your opinion on shootouts being MEANINGFUL, since they only involve two players, and aren't used in the playoffs, a shootout is meaningless outside of the regular season standings.
It isn't just my opinion that shootouts should not be the difference between a playoff and non-playoff team - many are in agreement with that opinion.
I am sure you can grasp the fact that I am trying to reach a truer picture of a team's worth/ability . . . and no, my adjustment actually makes the Leafs record worse, not better.
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Posted - 01/14/2011 : 20:37:36
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Originally posted by Guest9052
Grabovski, Kulemin, and MacArthur are all on pace to shatter career highs.
Kessel and Versteeg on pace to match their best seasons with their respective teams, and Luke Schenn has developed into a reliable solid Dman.
Although maybe temporary, the lines are clicking. Are the Leafs better than perceived?
Blue tinted glasses and Leafs fans = beers and the ugly girl at the bar.
More beer improves her look. The deeper the tint the better the Leafs look.
No matter what your wing man tells you. In a drunken stupor you'll somehow logic your way that she is really hot. |
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Guest9052
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Posted - 01/15/2011 : 06:59:52
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Originally posted by nuxfan
actually TRAV, ".500" is a mathematical representation for percentages, and translates to "50%" or "half of 1.00" or "50/50" - it does not belong to a particular sport. The only relationship to sports is that sports calculate percentages as a measure of team and individual success or failure.
A "win-loss" record is not a measure of how many points you got vs how many you could have had. It is a record of wins and losses and nothing more, which is why Beans is correct. An OT loss is a loss, not a "half loss" or a "half win" or a "sort-of-loss". You lost the game. The Leafs are currently 7 games below .500
Gee, thanks nuxfan. As I am from the GTA, I must be mathematically retarded.
I'm really glad you spelled it out for me. Thank you!
In fact, I understand math quite well and was simply referring to how it applies to sports. I agree 100% (that's 100 out of 100 times) that the Leafs are below 500 and that an O/T loss is a loss. If you'll notice I agreed with Beans. But I was saying that it makes no sense to apply this to hockey with the possibility of 3-point games. If all games are worth only 2 pts then it would work, but O/T and shootout games are worth an extra point. The problem with percentages in hockey is they don't recognize the skill it took to tie the "better" team.
This is why you will see a percentage column in the standings of football, baseball, and basketball but not in the hockey standings.
So for future posts, I would appreciate if you could talk to me like an adult as opposed to a juvenile. Thank you
Peace and Respect
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Posted - 01/15/2011 : 07:18:07
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This is why you will see a percentage column in the standings of football, baseball, and basketball but not in the hockey standings.
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My bad. I didn't realize there was a point percentage column in NHL.
oops
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nuxfan
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Posted - 01/15/2011 : 10:24:02
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My bad. I didn't realize there was a point percentage column in NHL.
Yah. So they do in fact use percentage in the NHL, like all other sports.
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In fact, I understand math quite well and was simply referring to how it applies to sports. I agree 100% (that's 100 out of 100 times) that the Leafs are below 500 and that an O/T loss is a loss. If you'll notice I agreed with Beans. But I was saying that it makes no sense to apply this to hockey with the possibility of 3-point games.
Why not? Points and win/loss records are not the same thing. Why do you keep trying to make them mean the same?
The NHL is different than other sports in North America, in that it keeps track of win/loss records, but ranks teams based on a point system that does not mirror wins and losses exactly. In hockey (unlike other sports) you can get a point for a loss if its in OT. Does it change the fact that you lost the game? No. Do points obtained have any effect your win/loss record? No.
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Leafs better than perceived? 
