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sahis34
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 Posted - 02/25/2011 : 22:13:10
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Poll Question:
Will the LA Kings be willing to give up brayden schenn to get ales hemsky?
Go OILERS Go!!!
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 02/25/2011 : 23:18:46
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you should have a corollary thread, "how fast can the Oilers accept a trade of Schenn for Hemsky"?
I can't see LA giving that up for Hemsky. But its trade deadline season, so anything can happen |
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Alex116
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Posted - 02/26/2011 : 03:24:26
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| Not gonna happen. Well, unless with Hemsky, they throw in Eberle? |
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Guest8802
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Posted - 02/26/2011 : 07:57:28
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Originally posted by Alex116
Not gonna happen. Well, unless with Hemsky, they throw in Eberle?
throw in Eberle? I would not even trade Eberle straight up for Schenn Eberle is wayyy better |
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Beans15
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Posted - 02/26/2011 : 09:14:17
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What would be the benefit to the Oilers dropping Hemsky and picking up Schenn?? The Oilers are quite comfortable with their skilled forwards of Hall, Eberle, Paajarvi, Omark, Horcoff, Gagner, Penner. What the Oilers need is defensive support for Whitney.
If Hemsky leaves Edmonton, it will be for a skilled puck moving defensemen. If LA is the target, it would be a guy like Johnson the Oilers would be looking for in a package.
And Schenn is better than Hemsky?? Seriously?? Hemsky has been a PPG player when healthy. Schenn is comparable to Eberle in their careers to the same point. Similar in size. Similar in style.
Who has a brain that would tell them that Hemsky, a legitimate 1st line NHL player who is just 27 years old and under a very fair contract for the next 2 seasons is not more valuable than a 19 yr old who has not cracked the NHL yet??? C'mon Alex....
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doublechamp7
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Canada
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Posted - 02/26/2011 : 12:29:17
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I agree with Beans, there is no way you can say eberle and Hemsky would be an even trade for Schenn
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Oilearl
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Canada
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Posted - 02/26/2011 : 13:17:46
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A huge NO WAY!! The Oilers Mgtmt has already stated that they are in no hurry to make changes except on the backend.Unless it fits in with their rebuild they won't be active at this trade deadline.  |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 02/26/2011 : 14:26:02
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What would be the benefit to the Oilers dropping Hemsky and picking up Schenn?? The Oilers are quite comfortable with their skilled forwards of Hall, Eberle, Paajarvi, Omark, Horcoff, Gagner, Penner. What the Oilers need is defensive support for Whitney.
Beans, I notice you didn't put Hemsky in that list...
curious - do Oiler fans think that Hemsky fits into the long term plans for the Oilers? I mean, beyond this contract, will the Oilers attempt to resign him and keep him in the fold? As you say, he is a PPG player...when healthy. And over the last couple of years, he's been a whole lot of unhealthy - freak accidents, or a trend?
I would think the Oilers would like to get their hands on a big centre prospect like Schenn.
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I agree with Beans, there is no way you can say eberle and Hemsky would be an even trade for Schenn
Whoa, who brought Eberle into this? I don't think anyone would think that is a fair trade...
I could see a Hemsky+something for Schenn+something-defensive. The "something" from LA would have to be more valuable than the something going back to LA, to balance it out. |
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ryan93
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Posted - 02/26/2011 : 14:55:10
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| He didn't include Hemsky in that list because he was referring to IF Hemsky was traded, they'd still have all of those listed forwards. |
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Guest4125
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Posted - 02/26/2011 : 15:41:58
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according to sportsnet the Oilers won't deal Hemsky to LA unless Schenn is part of the deal.
LA has more or less told them to go fly a kite, and have moved on to other possibility's.
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Beans15
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Posted - 02/26/2011 : 16:57:51
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Originally posted by Guest4125
according to sportsnet the Oilers won't deal Hemsky to LA unless Schenn is part of the deal.
LA has more or less told them to go fly a kite, and have moved on to other possibility's.
If you are going to quote the story, quote it properly. The 'source' did not say that LA was moving on to other trades. They said that "Lombardi is not warm to the idea."
Here is the actual story. I am a little surprised the Oilers would not be looking for defensive help, but the story makes sense considering that Schenn and Hamilton(another Oilers prospect) appear to be clicking. Edmonton also do not have a true #1 centre to play with all those skilled wingers.
The story also reports that Washington has an interest in Penner but without high quality prospects coming the other way the deal is all but gone.
Pretty suprising all the interest in Penner considering how many people see him as a garbage player.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2011/02/26/oilers_hemsky/ |
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Alex116
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Posted - 02/26/2011 : 17:23:39
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Sorry guys, my "throw in Eberle" comment was meant sarcastically. I'm not saying Hemsky and Eberle is a fair deal for Schenn, in fact, far from it. What i was saying is that i don't think LA would part with Schenn for just Hemsky and the comment below kinda backs up that theory! I've heard numerous stories about LA not wanting to part with Schenn and therefore it'd prob take a huge overpayment for them to consider moving him. Hemsky alone, just won't cut it.....
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Originally posted by Guest4125
according to sportsnet the Oilers won't deal Hemsky to LA unless Schenn is part of the deal.
LA has more or less told them to go fly a kite, and have moved on to other possibility's.
BTW, i'm not sold on Hemsky being a PPG player. Yes, he's been close a couple times and sure he's playing on a last place team, but he's had some decent linemates and a ton of ice time (inc PP) and still hasn't done it (unless you count 22 pts in 22 games in an injury riddled year last season). |
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ryan93
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Posted - 02/26/2011 : 18:18:59
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| He's pretty close to being a PPG player though. In his last 77 games he has 73 points (0.95 ppg). And not counting his first 2 seasons, he has 330 points in 358 games for a 0.92 ppg average. |
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polishexpress
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Posted - 02/26/2011 : 22:19:13
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Tell me, who are the best quality players hemsky has played with (not count d-men)?
Hmmm...
Horcoff..Samsonov...Peca past his prime...Stoll...Penner....Ryan Smyth...
Raffi Torres...Marty Reasoner...Fernando Pisani...
I'd name some more, but, you get the picture, all of Hemsky's teammates were Grade A Superstars, for sure!
Now, realistically, if Hemsky was able to approach PPG stats, despite injuries, despite "stellar" linemates, then you have to admit that if he were put on a line with, say Anze Kopitar, and they had chemistry, his stats would improve.
Now, I'm not seeing through copper-and-blue, he does have lots of flaws(doesn't shoot enough, has had concussion issues recently) but he is definitely a 1st line player on most NHL teams.
If LA would want him, they would get him. And Schenn isn't the only prospect the Oilers would want: LA has many defensive prospects that may have similar or even equal value:
Colton Teubert
Thomas Hickey
Vyacheslav Voynov
Not to mention, there is Jonathan Bernier, though I doubt LA would part with him so quickly. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 02/27/2011 : 08:28:43
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Originally posted by nuxfan
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What would be the benefit to the Oilers dropping Hemsky and picking up Schenn?? The Oilers are quite comfortable with their skilled forwards of Hall, Eberle, Paajarvi, Omark, Horcoff, Gagner, Penner. What the Oilers need is defensive support for Whitney.
Beans, I notice you didn't put Hemsky in that list...
curious - do Oiler fans think that Hemsky fits into the long term plans for the Oilers? I mean, beyond this contract, will the Oilers attempt to resign him and keep him in the fold? As you say, he is a PPG player...when healthy. And over the last couple of years, he's been a whole lot of unhealthy - freak accidents, or a trend?
I would think the Oilers would like to get their hands on a big centre prospect like Schenn.
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I agree with Beans, there is no way you can say eberle and Hemsky would be an even trade for Schenn
Whoa, who brought Eberle into this? I don't think anyone would think that is a fair trade...
I could see a Hemsky+something for Schenn+something-defensive. The "something" from LA would have to be more valuable than the something going back to LA, to balance it out.
No, I think Hemsy fits into the Oilers plans just fine. However, in the NHL today(and as proven with th recent trades) a team has to give up quality to get quality. Without counting what's on the farm and/or coming in the draft this season, the Oilers have 8-9 players on their squad that have 1st and 2nd line potentail and only 1-2 decent defensemen other than Whitney. Also, as good as Dubnyk has been these year, I am still not sold.
So if the Oilers have assets in forwards, why not move one for depth on defense?? Is Hemsky is the guy with the most interest he becomes the asset to move.
Furthermore, he is a UFA at the end of next season. He is on pace for a PPG season this year(albeit injury shortened) and if he has a healthy and productive season next year he will be looking for a raise. Or, is he interested in waiting another 1-2 seasons to have a crack at the Cup??? I would not like to see a Kaberle fiasco in Edmonton. Trade him now when his value (because of his contract) is the highest.
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The Duke
PickupHockey Veteran
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Posted - 02/27/2011 : 11:10:51
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No way in hell LA trades Schenn for Hemsky, he is maybe the hottest commodity, blue chip prospect right now not playing NHL hockey.
Any team would have to over-pay to get this guy, thats why he will not move. Why would LA want to move him anyway ??
Some people still say B. Burke is an idiot. Remember when he did everything in his power to move up 2 draft spots to obtain the 5th overall pick to get B.Schenn ?? couldn`t get it to work but he surely knew what he was doing. |
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Leafs81
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Posted - 02/27/2011 : 11:24:23
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I also don't think LA would trade Schenn straight up for Hemsky. Schenn will make the NHL soon and have a three year NHL entry contract. He will be a top six forward in the NHL and they absolutely need him to build around.
Hemsky, although really skill, has one year left after this year and he's injury prone.
I also agree that Edmonton will go after a defenseman if they trade away Hemsky or Penner. Jack Johnson would be the perfect fit. LA are deep on the blue line.
And Beans I don't think that Hemsky's value is higher now, because of the last two seasons of injuries. If he has a good season next year and has around 60 points at the trade deadline (PPG) well he will have way higher value at that time as a rental. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 02/27/2011 : 11:48:00
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Originally posted by polishexpress
I'd name some more, but, you get the picture, all of Hemsky's teammates were Grade A Superstars, for sure!
Now, realistically, if Hemsky was able to approach PPG stats, despite injuries, despite "stellar" linemates, then you have to admit that if he were put on a line with, say Anze Kopitar, and they had chemistry, his stats would improve.
Seriously PE? Is this directed at me? "Stellar" linemates? Where'd you "quote" that from? I went back and re-read my post and i'm pretty sure i saw it say he played with "DECENT" linemates. Decent = stellar? Certainly not in my books. "Grade A Superstars"??? Wtf? 
Seriously dude, if that was directed to me, it's a pretty poor represtentation of what i actually said / wrote.....  |
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sahis34
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Posted - 02/27/2011 : 12:19:23
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I doubt this will happen, but if it doesn't it will be a boring trade deadline day. the kings cleary have something going though, because they put sturm on waivers
Go OILERS Go!!! |
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Guest3138
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Posted - 02/27/2011 : 12:33:40
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| right now the caps need penner, I think it highen there cup chances greatly |
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polishexpress
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Posted - 02/27/2011 : 12:55:53
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Sorry Alex, was not meant to be an attack, my apologies.
I was clearly being sarcastic with my "stellar" and "Grade-A Superstar" comments.(If you want, say they were directed at past Oilers management for only furnishing Hemsky with DECENT( ) players)
But some people(look at Duke above)probably have not watched him play enough, nor have they seen who he has played with,and think that he isn't worth B. Schenn straight up.
I can't say that he is or isn't, since too many factors play in like how much LA values Schenn compared to their other prospects, etc.
But if you were to take everything else aside, right now, Feb 27, 2011, I'd rather have Ales Hemsky on my team than B. Schenn, no question. It's those pesky things like money, the CBA, and "potential" that muddy the waters. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 02/27/2011 : 13:15:44
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Originally posted by polishexpress
Sorry Alex, was not meant to be an attack, my apologies.
I was clearly being sarcastic with my "stellar" and "Grade-A Superstar" comments.(If you want, say they were directed at past Oilers management for only furnishing Hemsky with DECENT() players)
But some people(look at Duke above)probably have not watched him play enough, nor have they seen who he has played with,and think that he isn't worth B. Schenn straight up.
I can't say that he is or isn't, since too many factors play in like how much LA values Schenn compared to their other prospects, etc.
But if you were to take everything else aside, right now, Feb 27, 2011, I'd rather have Ales Hemsky on my team than B. Schenn, no question. It's those pesky things like money, the CBA, and "potential" that muddy the waters.
No worries, my apologies for blasting back. Having one of those hangover Sundays isn't helping my attitude....lol.
I guess it would depend on the team, but personally, if i'm not in contention, i'd prefer Schenn as part of a rebuild, which is likely the reason Edm would be interested to begin with! Hemsky would likely help LA if he could stay healthy and i totally agree, his numbers would likely go up playing alongside a guy like Kopitar! Just from everything i've heard/read, LA isn't likely to deal Schenn, unless someone blows them outta the water with a crazy offer! |
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Beans15
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Posted - 02/27/2011 : 16:44:28
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The whole thing about Schenn being part of this deal is that the Oilers are not really interested in trading Hemsky. It's not like Edmonton contacted LA and instigated the trade. Lombardi is tire kicking and asked what the asking price is for Hemsky and the answer was Schenn in a package.
It is too much, but that is the point. If LA wants Hemsky, they must overpay. |
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Posted - 02/28/2011 : 05:13:08
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Well, I do think the Oil are willing to trade Hemsky, but it might be a bit steep of a price for there to be any takers.
I do know that Braydon Schenn isn't going anywhere this year, I'd think he is somewhat untouchable for LA.
Never going to happen, not worth discussing.
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Hemsky for Schenn? 
