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Open_Ice
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nuxfan
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 Posted - 06/08/2011 : 20:52:53
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| I don't think anyone in BC really cares....I hope that Sekeres didn't have to interrupt too many golf games to get his soundbites. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 06/09/2011 : 00:00:05
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I think it's awesome! Guy's like Bolland crying that "it sucks" to see the Canucks there is great. I'd hate it more if he said "i'm happy for them". There's a rivalry, what'd'ya expect?
Barch? Who? Is he an NHLer? Lol....
ETA....
What i get a bigger kick out of is the fact that if Vancouver had done half the little things Boston did tonight, there'd be endless talk about it! I credit them for what they're doing as it's clearly having an effect but i wouldn't be surprised to see AV record and play back Brian Burke's comments from a few years back when the Sedin's were getting similar treatment!
What i'm trying to get at is if Marchand was a Canuck, he'd be one of the most hated men on the planet. However, as a Bruin, he's a folk hero!
It's working, so i give him all the credit at this point! |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 06/09/2011 : 09:14:49
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| you have a point there alex. Marchand is basically Burrows in a Bruins uniform. |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 06/09/2011 : 10:00:38
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I wouldn't go as far as saying Marchand is Burrows in a different uniform. I see Marchard as that guy that is paid to get under the other teams skin, but I don't see Marchard as a diver and an embellisher like Burrow is. But, I am biased and admit it.
That being said, I don't like what Boston is doing with the play. They are playing some of that cheap hockey that I have continuously called down. They are doing to Vancouver what Vancouver did to San Jose. This style of play only works when the other team falls into it.
However, I think there is some validity to the comments made by players. Regardless of the reason, Vancouver is not a difficult team to dislike. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 06/09/2011 : 11:13:25
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Originally posted by Beans15
I wouldn't go as far as saying Marchand is Burrows in a different uniform. I see Marchard as that guy that is paid to get under the other teams skin, but I don't see Marchard as a diver and an embellisher like Burrow is. But, I am biased and admit it.
That being said, I don't like what Boston is doing with the play. They are playing some of that cheap hockey that I have continuously called down. They are doing to Vancouver what Vancouver did to San Jose. This style of play only works when the other team falls into it.
However, I think there is some validity to the comments made by players. Regardless of the reason, Vancouver is not a difficult team to dislike.
I can't disagree entirely, but i have to admit, i've not seen Marchand play a whole lot, have you? He's an eastern conference guy who's in his rookie season and hasn't even played 100 reg season games to this point so his exposure in this neck of the woods is minimal. Sure, i've seen the last 4 games and no i haven't seen him dive but i've seen him on at least one occasion do what virtually every player is doing (except for perhaps Chara) and that's the "head throw back" when a stick is anywhere near to their heads! Either way, i like what i see from him thus far, even if i hate him at the current time, only because of the fact he is effective!
I don't know if i agree with you when you say Boston is doing what Vancouver did vs SJ, unless you mean outhitting them and being more physical. Last night i found it was ridiculous how much after the play crap went on, or stuff away from the play such as bumping guys as they go for a line change. Sure, the Canucks prob did a bit of it too, but Boston was way over the edge IMO as far as the facewashing, bumping, etc went. I'd like to see the refs issue a warning to both teams, kinda like the one i heard they did regarding the "taunting" fingers towards ones mouth, whereby they tell them they're gonna start calling the facewashing, etc.
I honestly don't find that Vancouver is getting away from their game plan or losing their cool and retaliating. Okay, lemme clarify that, they aren't, UNTIL they're more or less out of it and at that point, i have no problem with it. The fact of the matter is, if they don't start scoring on the power play, they're done! Sounds strange as it was Boston who everyone was saying this about coming in but Mike Gillis has built a team to be one which punishes you for taking liberties against them. They did this all season and they've been doing it up until these finals! They executed their game plan fairly well last game, drawing two early penalties but failed to capitalize on either of them. One PP goal and that game could have gone another direction entirely!
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Open_Ice
Rookie
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Posted - 06/09/2011 : 12:24:50
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For me personally, its the game style of the canucks that I cannot stand. Their ideal game is one where they sit back and only counter-attack if the other team makes a mistake... these games get extremely boring and prime examples would be games 1 and 2 of the finals.
It gets even worse when you add on top of that players who have a 'strategy of drawing penalties' (see what i did there?) like the Sedins (especially Henrik), Burrows, Lapierre, Torres, and (biggest offender of the playoffs) Kesler. Canucks fans' only argument seems to be to point out one or two players on the other team but lets be honest no team plays the way that Vancouver does in that regard.
Finally, Vancouver is led by Sedin (SWE), Sedin (SWE) and Kesler (US) while 7 of Boston's top 8 point players in the playoffs are Canadian. As a team Boston even has more Canadian players than Vancouver and their GM, President, and Coach are also all Canadian. There is no shame in cheering for Boston as a Canadian, especially if you like an up-tempo game. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 06/09/2011 : 12:28:40
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Open Ice, I agree with mostly everything except for the Candian bias. I couldn't care less where a player is from. If my team isn't in the game I watch the sport for the entertainment value. If the player is Swedish, American, Japanese, Martian, or anything else is irrelevant.
That being said, I do see that Vancouver has a 'draw a penalty' strategy and it's pretty apparent. As far as the warning for the fingers to the mouth taunt, who started that??? Personally, I laugh heartily every time a player has done that in the finals. I think it's great fun. Far better than watching a player carted off on a stretch, that's for sure.
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 06/09/2011 : 12:58:01
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OpenIce.....I will not try to convince anyone that Vancouver doesn't have some players who've tried to draw penalties but it is true that every team does it. Maybe Vancouver does it more than others? Who knows, i watch more Canucks games than anything else so it's hard for me to have an unbiased opinion.
I do it funny you say that Vancouver's style is to "sit back and only counter-attack if the other team makes a mistake."? WTF? Are you serious? Are you confusing them with the Preds or Panthers or something? You're trying to tell me that the highest scoring team in the league plays a defensive, trap style and only moves forward on a counter attack after the other team makes a mistake? Unbelievable you can even come up with such and absurd statement.
And Beans, you agree with this? I'm don't know whether to laugh or cry right now?  |
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Beans15
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Posted - 06/09/2011 : 13:15:00
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Good point Alex, I don't see the Canucks as a counter-attack team completely. But I don't think anyone can argue that much of their system is built around a quick transition from defense to offense. So, is that not a counter-attack??? It's not the only thing in their bag of tricks like the teams you mentioned, however it is a pretty big part of their game.
Or am I missing something???? |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 06/09/2011 : 14:00:22
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Originally posted by Beans15
Good point Alex, I don't see the Canucks as a counter-attack team completely. But I don't think anyone can argue that much of their system is built around a quick transition from defense to offense. So, is that not a counter-attack??? It's not the only thing in their bag of tricks like the teams you mentioned, however it is a pretty big part of their game.
Or am I missing something????
No, you're bang on! What offensive team in the history of organized hockey didn't "counter attack" and make quick transitions from defense to offense? Not sure if you misread what i wrote because i actually said "I do find it funny you say that Vancouver's style is to "sit back and only counter-attack if the other team makes a mistake."? WTF? Are you serious? Are you confusing them with the Preds or Panthers or something? You're trying to tell me that the highest scoring team in the league plays a defensive, trap style and only moves forward on a counter attack after the other team makes a mistake? Unbelievable you can even come up with such and absurd statement."
I never said they don't counter attack, i made the point to the OP that Vancouver doesn't play a trapping style and "wait for the other team to make a mistake" before engaging in a counter attack. Of course they counter attack, every team does. I just find myself scratching my head that anyone would claim the Canucks are a team which only attacks when given an opportunity to pounce on a mistake that the other team makes? To be the highest scoring team, these other teams must be making some serious mistakes!  |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 06/09/2011 : 15:25:13
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honestly don't find that Vancouver is getting away from their game plan or losing their cool and retaliating. Okay, lemme clarify that, they aren't, UNTIL they're more or less out of it
In fact, this was very apparent in game 4 - there was a huge difference between the Canucks in the first period, vs about mid-way through the second period. In the first period they were very quickly moving out of scrums, not retaliating to the little cheap shots on the way to the benches, keeping out of the verbal back and forth. But as soon as BOS was up 2-0, their cool went and they started getting involved in everything. It was night and day.
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Good point Alex, I don't see the Canucks as a counter-attack team completely. But I don't think anyone can argue that much of their system is built around a quick transition from defense to offense. So, is that not a counter-attack??? It's not the only thing in their bag of tricks like the teams you mentioned, however it is a pretty big part of their game.
Or am I missing something????
You are missing something. Having a good counter attack is not the same as being reliant on the counter attack. The Canucks had one of the best transitions from defense to offense all year long, but it is certainly not the only plan in their "bag of tricks". Their system is built on puck possession, speed, and play control - having a good counter attack is but one aspect of that.
As Alex says, its not like they're sitting around waiting for opposing players to cough up the puck so they can spring a forward onto a breakaway. They have (and use) an extremely fast breakout from their own end, very good passing ability, regularly have the defense pinch or join rushes (most odd-man rushes they get include a dman), and play a very good puck possession game in the offensive zone. They are not a one-dimensional team by any stretch.
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Guest6311
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Posted - 06/09/2011 : 23:40:19
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| Honestly, I am becoming more and more frustrated at all the selective observing that seems to be going on. Everybody keeps talking about finger biting and Rome's hit and drawing penalties... everybody seems to have forgotten that the Bruins are a bunch of thugs. The Canucks, in my opinion, play a fast-paced, offensive style of play; they're high-scoring and exciting. I really, really have issues with Boston. I'm sorry, but I can't see how anyone could like them! They are constantly making dirty hits after the whistle and just generally being unlikeable. Everything that comes out of Julien's mouth is dripping with arrogance... If you actually watch what happens during the game, it's pretty darn clear. I mean, sure, Vancouver retaliates. Who wouldn't? The fact is, a stupid finger bite (which was completely asked for), and an arguably bad hit (four games is a terrible suspension, it's absolutely garbage), is a really weird reason to hate a team. There seems to be a lot of embellishment going on on the part of fans and players alike. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 06/10/2011 : 05:12:11
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This is just a little short sighted Mr Guest. Let's not forget about the Lapierre shoving his fingers in Bergeron's face. He did that before any Bruin player did. Let's not forget about ever hook and dive that various Canuck participates in. Let's not forget the Brazilian Soccer-esque hand snaps and drops from either Sedin. Finally, let's not forget how tough Burrows and Lapierre are when there is a linesman between them and the opposing player.
One could look at both teams and see various actions that others would deem inappropriate, dirty, unsportsmanlike, etc. The Canucks are not immune to this.
Speaking of selective observations. |
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Posted - 06/10/2011 : 05:25:17
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This is the only post I will make on this topic:
The Canucks will be the most hated team in Canada, if they win the cup this year.
Until, that is, the Leafs eventually win the cup, after which it will revert back to normal. 
Please, try your best to refrain from jokes on when the Leafs might win it again. 
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
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freddyboy
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 06/10/2011 : 08:39:57
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Originally posted by slozo
This is the only post I will make on this topic:
The Canucks will be the most hated team in Canada, if they win the cup this year.
Until, that is, the Leafs eventually win the cup, after which it will revert back to normal.
Please, try your best to refrain from jokes on when the Leafs might win it again.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
I don't think that the Canucks will be the most hated team in canada if they win the Cup. I'd be please to see them win (as an habs fan, as an hokcey fan also)
I think that there's no "unique" most hated team, i don't like the Leafs and the Bruins, but i like most of the other teams. As example, a Kings fans will probably hate more the ducks or a team in their division, so i don't believe there is one unique most hated team in the league
joe is a god, if u dont agree....i dont care |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 06/10/2011 : 10:16:30
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Slozo, i think regardless of what happens in the next 3 games, the Canucks ARE the most hated team! The Leafs fans might be the most hated fans (and their media) but that goes with the whole "center of the universe" attitude that people put on them! No doubt in my mind, there are very few people from neutral cities cheering for the Canucks!
Guest (who supplied the clips)...... I agree with Beans, believe it or not, you're being very selective with what you've shown. You failed to show the original bite, the original mocking of the bite, Kesler's punch to Chara in the scrum last game, etc, etc.
I am not rooting for the Bruins, but if it were another team than the Canucks, i very well might be! If i were a Boston fan right now, i'd absolutely LOVE what they're doing, except for a few too many bs moves/bumps/shoves, etc after the whistle. I think the refs should be handing out warnings to both teams, and then calling penalties on guys engaging after the whistle. It's times like this where i wish they could hand out 5 min misconducts (10 is half a period and is a little harsh for some of these indecencies that are going on). As far as what Marchand did, the original penalty was nothing grievious, the submarine, as i said in another thread, was indeed dangerous, but give the kid credit, he stood up to Ballard when the gloves were dropped. He didn't run and hide or avoid the scrap. Good on him.
Beans.....i will concede that the Canucks have done their fair share of "headsnaps", though i know you've watched a lot of games from all the series' and if you don't see it from every team, you are guilty of being selective in your viewing. It's been discussed in every series i've watched about the teams showing up the refs! Sure, the Sedin's could be more guilty than others but it's quite possible that it's because they are being roughed up more as teams learn they don't like the rough going! As far as Burrows and Lapierre being tough when the officials are there, at least give Burrows SOME credit for defending himself from the Thomas chop (yes, i know, Burrows initiated it with the stick hack), knowing darn well he would be immediately jumped! No officials near him then! |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 06/10/2011 : 12:20:49
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One could look at both teams and see various actions that others would deem inappropriate, dirty, unsportsmanlike, etc. The Canucks are not immune to this.
Beans, you're right there. And yet, one team is despised for it, while the other is lauded for playing "good ol' Bruins hockey". I've never understood the dislike for the Canucks given that every other team they've played this year pretty much does the same thing. |
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Sensfan101
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 06/10/2011 : 17:44:23
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Sure both teams are diving and chirping and face washing but the difference between the two teams is that Vancouver has crossed the line twice with the bite and the Rome hit.
You miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take Wayne Gretzky |
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Open_Ice
Rookie
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Posted - 06/10/2011 : 21:46:36
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I feel like tonight's game gives some validity to my opinion...
As for the Canucks being high scoring:
Goals per Game: 2.44
That's fourth worst of all teams in the playoffs and Montreal (2.43) may also pass them next game.
In fact, take out the 18 powerplay goals and they are down to a measly 1.65 goals per game at even strength (or shorthanded). My point? They score a large percentage of their goals on the powerplay, not that many throughout the rest of the game. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/11/2011 : 00:04:45
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My point? They score a large percentage of their goals on the powerplay, not that many throughout the rest of the game.
and?
so far they've won 15 games out of 16 on the road to the cup? Goals per game is a regular season stat, who cares in the playoffs? If your team wins every game 1-0, but win 16 of them, do you care that your GPG was 1? Or do you care you won the cup.
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 06/11/2011 : 05:23:07
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I never said anything positive about the way Boston is playing and specifically mixing stuff up after the whistle. They are instigating as much as the Canucks. But I personally don't see nearly the embelishment from the Bruins that you see from the Canucks. It's not even close. Last nights game was a perfect example of that when I watche Burrow fall down from a breeze a number of times.
But I agree, people have used the same reason to hate the Canucks as they do to love(at least for a short time) the Bruins. But I am not one of them. |
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Oilearl
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Canada
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Posted - 06/11/2011 : 11:13:16
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Canuck fans are fair weather and fickle They turn on the team at the drop of a forward!!! My point in another thread and I rest my case on how horrible they were to the goalie up until last nights shutout calling for a rookie, cheering when he's pulled now lots of them swimming hard to get back on the ship they jumped off just 1 game ago.
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Utemin
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 06/12/2011 : 13:02:04
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Hate us... We are the most Knowledgable fans, we are the best Fans, and for crying out loud it is the best team. The Diving issue hmm Nah it is not an issue any more. The Canucks beating every team in the NHL consistently thats the issue and I love being hated for that
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Beans15
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Posted - 06/12/2011 : 14:30:22
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Originally posted by Utemin
Hate us... We are the most Knowledgable fans, we are the best Fans, and for crying out loud it is the best team. The Diving issue hmm Nah it is not an issue any more. The Canucks beating every team in the NHL consistently thats the issue and I love being hated for that
Don't hate me because i'm Beautiful
Consistently?? This team has not consisently beaten anyone! They were outplayed by Chicago and San Jose but won both series. The outplayed Nashville marginally and they have been outplayed by Boston in much of the 5 games to this point. Vancouver is winning, but there is a huge difference between winning a game and beating a team. |
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Utemin
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 06/12/2011 : 15:45:27
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Originally posted by Beans15
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Originally posted by Utemin
Hate us... We are the most Knowledgable fans, we are the best Fans, and for crying out loud it is the best team. The Diving issue hmm Nah it is not an issue any more. The Canucks beating every team in the NHL consistently thats the issue and I love being hated for that
Don't hate me because i'm Beautiful
Consistently?? This team has not consisently beaten anyone! They were outplayed by Chicago and San Jose but won both series. The outplayed Nashville marginally and they have been outplayed by Boston in much of the 5 games to this point. Vancouver is winning, but there is a huge difference between winning a game and beating a team.
i think we were watching a different team i was watching the team that outplayed sanjose in 3/5 games, and chicago in 5/7.
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/12/2011 : 18:07:47
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Consistently?? This team has not consisently beaten anyone! They were outplayed by Chicago and San Jose but won both series. The outplayed Nashville marginally and they have been outplayed by Boston in much of the 5 games to this point. Vancouver is winning, but there is a huge difference between winning a game and beating a team.
Hm.
While it is clear that VAN has not consistently beat anyone, they have beat their opponents enough, game to game, to get to where they are. Beans, you can't seriously say that VAN has been outplayed consistently in these playoffs, and yet they have ended up in the finals, really???
Utemin is (mostly) right, IMO:
- VAN significantly outplayed CHI in 3.5 of their games (1, 2, the first half of 3, and 7). They were significantly outplayed in games 4 and 5, and game 6 was a pretty even match. Games 1 and 7 vs CHI was perhaps the most dominating game I saw VAN play (despite the 2-1 OT finish for VAN).
- Against NSH, they were the better team in all but 1 game I thought, and got burned by unlucky goals in a couple.
- Against SJ, they significantly outplayed them in games 1 and 2, got spanked in game 3, buried their chances in a very even-but-odd game 4. Game 5 vs SJ was the only game the Canucks have played this offseason where I felt the better team lost the game.
- vs BOS, they were the better team in games 1 and 2 (especially the 3rd period), and in game 5 - the low scores really speak more to the outstanding goaltending of Thomas. They were very obviously not the better team in games 3 and 4. And here we are up 3-2.
The Canucks have played a very interesting game this offseason. I recall an interview that AV gave before the playoffs started, where he indicated that the team was approaching the first round vs CHI as a "race to 4" rather than a "best of 7". I like the mentality, its not a sequence of games but rather as many games as it takes to win 4 - do what you have to to win, and forget about your losses (something that VAN has not done well in the past). For the most part, the games that they have won they have been very very good. On the other hand, the losses have been rather brutal (game 6 vs CHI and game 2 vs NSH stand out as a close games that VAN lost). But the difference between the Canucks of the past and this year's edition is their ability to let go of bad losses and move forward. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 06/12/2011 : 19:19:48
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| There is no argument that the Canucks have won. However,"Significantly outplayed Chicago" in 4 games where 3 of them were decided by 1 goal??Really?? SJ outshot Van in game 4 and 5 of that series by nearly a 3-1 margin. Vancouver is winning, but not dominating and not 'beating' teams. Specifically not 'consistently beating teams' as Utemin stated. That was what I was arguing. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/12/2011 : 23:35:02
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There is no argument that the Canucks have won. However,"Significantly outplayed Chicago" in 4 games where 3 of them were decided by 1 goal??Really??
Yep, really. BTW, I said 3.5 games, not 4 - game 3 of that series started out all Canucks and finished up all CHI even though VAN held on for the win. It was the beginning of the 3-game downturn in that series that led to game 7.
Its going back aways, but I recall those first 2 games vs CHI as very one-sided, save for the scoreboard - its when we realized how good a goalie Crawford was going to be. Strong physical advantage, lots of quality chances against Crawford, while shutting down the opposing top lines. Game 3 was in honesty, a game that VAN might not have won but did win - that great-but-surprising goal by Samuelsson in the 3rd that sealed it. And game 7 was perhaps the most complete game that VAN has played in this post season - again everywhere except for the scoreboard was dominated by VAN. Crawford was stupendous that night, and almost stole the series for them.
Sometimes the scoreboard is not indicative of the nature of the game, and it has been a recurring theme for Vancouver this post-season. I have seen many games where I've felt that VAN was clearly the better team on the ice, only to see them win by 1 - thankfully our defense was as strong as our offense this year. It has not been good for my nerves. |
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Posted - 06/15/2011 : 08:25:49
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| Ill be honest in that i didn't know much about the Canucks as I never watch teams in the west unless they come east. However watching every game in this series I never could have imagine a team being more dirty and classless as this team is. Finger biting,(Burrows on Bergeron), embelishing(Burrows and Lapeirre ) diving(see above along with Sedins) Late hits(Rome on Horton, Edler on Peverly) Slashing (burrows on Thomas,Burrows on Bergeron) on and on. Every one I talk to here says Boston getting a raw deal and I agree. I hate the Canucks more than the Canadiens and Leafs and that is saying something. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 06/15/2011 : 08:59:04
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thankfully, the Canucks have the Bruins - that pillar of total class and honest and fair play - to give them an idea of how a great team should present themselves.
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Guest9215
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Posted - 06/15/2011 : 09:19:17
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And thankfully tommorow when I wake up and read tommorrows paper I'll know just how classy the people of Vancouver are, after their city is looted and on fire. Win or Lose.
Bank on it!!!! |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 06/15/2011 : 09:34:20
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Originally posted by Guest9215
And thankfully tommorow when I wake up and read tommorrows paper I'll know just how classy the people of Vancouver are, after their city is looted and on fire. Win or Lose.
Bank on it!!!!
There's never a guarantee in ANY city that this sort of thing won't happen, but i'd be willing to bet you won't see anything close to the crap that happened here in '94. This city did itself proud in celebrating Canada's Gold Medal in hockey just over a year ago. Sure, there were still a few idiots climbing light standards and prob the odd fight, but for the most part, it was one big party. IF we win tonight, i'm pretty confident you'll see much of the same celebrations. IF we lose, the police presence should be able to maintain some sort of sanity of the idiots who decide to act up. The problem in '94 was that the police force in this city was not nearly prepared for what happened. Thanks to the Olympics, they've learned. In '94, they had 300 police officers in the basement of a church, waiting with riot gear "in case" something happened instead of having that police presence out in the streets. Now, you will find officers on every street corner in the main downtown core before, during and after the game, there to try to difuse any incidents before they can escalate into something bigger.
Sure, there's always a chance that a group on idiots, usually not even hockey fans, will start something, but pretty confident win or lose, that i won't awake to my city "on fire" as you propose. |
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Canucks the NHLs Most Hated Team? 
