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polishexpress
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 Posted - 12/22/2011 : 21:04:29
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Again, Sahis, please remember to read the posts before replying.
Remember 4/7>4/8 only if the player doesn't hit the neck... |
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sahis34
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Posted - 12/22/2011 : 21:09:34
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Originally posted by polishexpress
Again, Sahis, please remember to read the posts before replying.
Remember 4/7>4/8 only if the player doesn't hit the neck...
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sahis34
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 12/22/2011 : 23:15:47
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Screw it , I guess if you people don't realize that an extra team to compete with is unfair then, what's the point . Beans still doesn't understand that the 7 percent is generic. He also doesn't understand that the quantity of teams enhances the quality of the division, and that if a higher quality divison and a lower quality divison have the same post season standards, then it's unfair.
Conference A without phoenix would match the other conferences in quality next year, with phoenix the quality would be enhanced. This is common sense, a fact and the whole point I'm trying to get across.This is the difference between 7 vs. 8, and the only counter argument I'm hearing is semantic bull**** about quality, and that this cancels out quantity, or somehow makes it insignificant.
Frankly I'm done with this argument if your only counter is to poke holes in the 7%, and to say things like:
 "Moving from an 8 team division to a 7 team division does not mean a better chance to move into a playoff spot based purely on the number of teams in the division. "
Guess what, in a league as balanced as the NHL, 99.% of the time moving from 8 to 7 means your more likely to get into the playoffs. You could assemble the best 7, and the worst 8, and you'd rather compete within the worst 8, but the league has balanced the teams fairly enough to make the average quality of the teams the same. The only difference of quality is the extra team, I like to call this QUANTITY.
If you ignore quantity and still think the the quality of either of the 7 team divisions match either of the 8 team ones then you're delusional.
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Guest4996
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Posted - 12/22/2011 : 23:18:20
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| Its obvious the NHL plans on expansion by the new layout. I remember when they went from 24 to 26 teams and had the 7-6 or 13 teams per conference. It was glaringly obvious then that the league needed to add 2 more teams to even things out which they did. This is setup to do the same. i see quebec city and possibly kansas(lol) coming in the near future. Bettman is done with relocation. |
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Posted - 12/23/2011 : 05:18:01
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I think everyone knows there's nothing like a good mathdebate once in a while... 
All I know is that Sahis better stop mathdebating on a pubic forum . . . quite frankly, I find it appalling. 
Sorry, could not resist 
Guest 4996 - I disagree, and think the opposite is being set-up as a possibility. Contraction.
With the failing economy in the US and some teams leaking money like no tomorrow down south, I think in a year or two that contraction is quite possible if not likely. We'll see I guess, but even if things just stay the same in some cities, there will be moves.
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nuxfan
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Posted - 12/23/2011 : 09:09:04
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Originally posted by slozo
With the failing economy in the US and some teams leaking money like no tomorrow down south, I think in a year or two that contraction is quite possible if not likely. We'll see I guess, but even if things just stay the same in some cities, there will be moves.
I too don't see relocation in the cards, that would be the last thing that the NHL would want to do IMO. The talent pool is already diluted, there are several teams that are having financial problems with the teams that they have. Bettman might not like relocation, but if he doesn't allow moves he'll see teams closing down, and he'll like that even less.
PHX moving to the east next year seems to be a foregone conclusion at this point. Which would solve Sahis's math conundrum, and we're good to go. |
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Guest6133
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Posted - 12/23/2011 : 09:09:20
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Originally posted by JOSHUACANADA
The best way to work around the differences would be to assign top 3 teams divisionally and have 4 remaining spots up for wildcard. It would offset any small percentage advantage between the conferences having the best 4 remaining teams regardless of conference playing in the playoffs.
The problem with the wild card approach - and with any approach that allows different number of playoff teams coming from different comferences - is that the first rounds of playoff cannot be played within a conference then. You may end up with pairs like Montreal - LA or Vancouver - Tampa, which is logistically difficult and exausting for their players. And what if the winner plays against a winner of battle between 2 NY teams in the next round? Clear disadvantage.
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sahis34
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Posted - 12/23/2011 : 10:33:56
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Originally posted by slozo
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Originally posted by nuxfan
I think everyone knows there's nothing like a good mathdebate once in a while...
All I know is that Sahis better stop mathdebating on a pubic forum . . . quite frankly, I find it appalling.
Sorry, could not resist
Guest 4996 - I disagree, and think the opposite is being set-up as a possibility. Contraction.
With the failing economy in the US and some teams leaking money like no tomorrow down south, I think in a year or two that contraction is quite possible if not likely. We'll see I guess, but even if things just stay the same in some cities, there will be moves.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
I'll agree with you on the contraction possibility, and I'm trying to move away from the mathdebate now, I agree it's disgusting and I have a problem
Instead I'll just say that having ann extra team to compete with will make it more difficult and that's just common sense.
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Guest2260
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Posted - 12/23/2011 : 10:34:20
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Originally posted by Guest4996
Its obvious the NHL plans on expansion by the new layout. I remember when they went from 24 to 26 teams and had the 7-6 or 13 teams per conference. It was glaringly obvious then that the league needed to add 2 more teams to even things out which they did. This is setup to do the same. i see quebec city and possibly kansas(lol) coming in the near future. Bettman is done with relocation.
If this is the case, then they should realign when they have the teams. No reason it needs to be done before hand and have some inequality in the league. Put the plan in place and execute once you have the number of teams to do so. |
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Guest2260
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Posted - 12/23/2011 : 10:45:47
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sahis34 says it best with the following:
"THE LEAGUE IMPLEMENTS AN UNFAIR SYSTEM, all the other factors are not concrete, and really develop as the season progresses. When all the teams have played 0 games, two "equally" skilled teams in two "equally skilled divisions(quality of teams) should have the same likelyhood of making the playoffs."
I don't disagree with beans, slozo, polish and others that various factors play into who eventually ends up making the playoffs. But you also can't deny either the math behind the fact the the chances are skewed for a div with 7 teams vs 8. I even think i read them agreeing to it, but saying it is "irrelevant" which is not true. If you don't think that 7% makes a difference to YOU and don't care, then that's your opinion (ala nuxfan's post). But don't argue that math doesn't apply or is irrelevant in this case, because it is. Maybe just not to the importance that you think it does. But it certainly exists and is there. I don't think anyone said that 7vs8 would be the deciding factor or the ONLY thing that effects teams making the playoffs. But for me, I believe that the league should at least have a system in place to give every team an equal chance initially. Which isn't the case here. |
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