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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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 Posted - 12/10/2011 : 17:37:17
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Nick foligno absolutely hammered Cody Hodgson in tonights first period. No clip available yet of course, but someone surely will post one when it's available. Unfortunate break for Hodgson as he has had a history of back problems and he just seemed to be rounding into form somewhat. Not saying that his back will be bothered, but if it flares up in any way, i won't be surprised.
Give the kid credit, he tried to get up, and while he did, he was wobbling all over the place looking like a kid who's on skates for the first time! Def won't be returning to tonights game!
The hit looked clean to me, even though the "principle point of contact", was the head. Hodgson ducked into the hit at the very last second and when i saw the replay, it almost appears as though he caught an edge. Either way, it wasn't cheap, nor intentional from what i could see, moreover, just unfortunate. Luckily he wasn't a few feet closer to the boards as it could have been even worse. Almsot reminded me a bit of the Mason Raymond hit that broke his back but as i said, luckily he wasn't closer to the boards!
Props to Foligno when he accepted Dale Weiss's challenge on his next shift and dropped the gloves. It still bothers me a bit that that's the mentality in the league, at least he did what most seem to say "the code" is. I never will understand why a guy has to drop'em after a clean check though????
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 12/10/2011 : 17:45:12
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Lol....no sooner did i hit "enter" and Foligno just nailed Kesler at almost the exact spot as he hit Hodgson! This one drew a penalty though and while i haven't seen the replay, Kesler was in a vulnerable spot.
Seems as though he's drawn just a minor penalty for boarding. In the replay, the head looks to be hit first, but again, like Hodgson, Kelser was low and Foligno appeared to be just finishing his check?
Either way, this game is now 3-0, middle of the 2nd, and it could get ugly yet! Luckily for the Canucks, Konopka is in the press box! lol |
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ryan93
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 12/10/2011 : 18:07:10
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| Which hit did they show on Coaches Corner? I'm watching the Rangers game but had flipped over during CC. I just caught the end of the hit but never noticed if it was Kesler or Hodgson, i'm assuming Hodgson or else they probably would of shown both. Hopefully he'll be ok, as you said he's finally been showing signs of becoming the player people expected him to be. |
Edited by - ryan93 on 12/10/2011 18:08:13 |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 12/10/2011 : 19:07:58
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Ryan...i missed CC as i went to grab a shower but i assume it was Hodgson. He was coming away from the side boards and was hit back towards them. Kesler was skating alongside the boards and was crushed into them as he was on his way down. I'm sure both will be available on multiple sources soon.
Just heard Maclean and Cherry chatting before the Oilers/Flames game and said Chara and Giroux both left their games and didn't return. Chara's incident looked very minor but he must have tweaked something? Giroux's has concussion written all over it as Wayne Simmonds tried to leap over him as he was on the ice and caught him in the head with his knee! Right in the back of the head. Will depend just how severe it is i guess? |
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sahis34
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 12/10/2011 : 21:48:27
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| the hit's are essential the same, neither warrants a suspension, or even a penalty for that matter |
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Canucks Man
PickupHockey Veteran
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Posted - 12/11/2011 : 00:56:49
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Originally posted by ryan93
Which hit did they show on Coaches Corner? I'm watching the Rangers game but had flipped over during CC. I just caught the end of the hit but never noticed if it was Kesler or Hodgson, i'm assuming Hodgson or else they probably would of shown both. Hopefully he'll be ok, as you said he's finally been showing signs of becoming the player people expected him to be.
That was the hit on Cody, the hit on Kesler was in the second period and CC goes after 1.
The worst hit was Neil on Burrows, Neil goes out if his way to elbow Burrows right in the head, Shanny will have to look at that one.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
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Porkchop73
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 12/11/2011 : 07:45:14
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I think they both should be suspensions, head was the principal point of contact in both. The coward Neil was very deliberate and the coward Neil should get a 2 game suspension.
I noticed when Neil was confronted afterwards he would not drop the gloves because that would have been face to face and Neil is used to only jumping guys to start scraps.
Did I mention that I think Neil is a coward! |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 12/11/2011 : 09:28:16
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Porkchop.....I still don't see how Foligno deserves a suspension on the Hodgson hit??? If Hodgson didn't duck, it would have been a text book body check! And, i don't mean he ducked into it intentionally, but as i said before, he seemed to catch an edge and almost began to fall into Foligno, who, for the record, was already committed to the CLEAN hit he was gonna throw!
The Burrows one? Well, it wasn't super harsh, but if Leino got a game (or two?) for his glancing blow the other night, then maybe Neil gets a game or two as well??? |
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Sensfan101
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Posted - 12/11/2011 : 09:39:02
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Originally posted by Porkchop73
I think they both should be suspensions, head was the principal point of contact in both. The coward Neil was very deliberate and the coward Neil should get a 2 game suspension.
I noticed when Neil was confronted afterwards he would not drop the gloves because that would have been face to face and Neil is used to only jumping guys to start scraps.
Did I mention that I think Neil is a coward!
Neil was confronted by the Sedin twins and he didn't fight what a coward. I don't see what you have against Neil, he has never been suspended so he's not a dirty player. He is not a talentless goon who can't play like Colton Orr and he's not an agitator who won't stand up for himself like Lepierrre.
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ryan93
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 12/11/2011 : 11:00:54
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I liked Henrik's line in an interview following the game when asked if he wanted to fight Chris Neil...
"I did. I'm glad he didn't, though."  |
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Porkchop73
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 12/11/2011 : 12:30:52
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Its a Sens thing for me. Just have a hard time liking anything about them.
I will try to be realistic. Foligno likely should not get a suspension but Hodgson was in a vulnerable position and that is in the criteria of head hits.
Sensfan, My thing with Neal is that he general jumps guys to fight them. He will stand up man to man but only if its someone in a lesser class. You bring up Orr, Neil wouldn't have enough cahones to go toe to toe with Orr, Neil would have to use his patented jump the guy move to even have a chance. |
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Guest0168
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Posted - 12/11/2011 : 14:38:53
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| Lappiere has 3 fights this year. . 1 more than Neil |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 12/11/2011 : 16:11:10
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Hodgson hit - not suspendable at all, Hodgson ducked down at the last minute and made that hit way worse than it would have been otherwise. It could have been a clean hard check after that, it was just an unfortunate circumstance that led to the result.
Burrows elbow to the head - could be suspendable, and I hope it is reviewed. Despite the fact that the hit didn't result in any injury, it looked pretty clear to me that Neil targetted Burrow's head with his elbow. I was surprised that it was not called for a penalty, but when I realized it was Burrows taking the hit it was clearer...
Kesler elbow to the head - I'm on the fence, perhaps it gets reviewed. A penalty was called and it seemed an appropriate penalty.
In regards to Lapierre - yeah, he does stick up for himself, and certainly fights when challenged these days. I didn't see him much before he came to the Canucks, so don't have a lot of history as to his reputation for not fighting, but while in VAN he has certainly held his own. |
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Open_Ice
Rookie
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Posted - 12/12/2011 : 13:21:58
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The thing I can't stand to see is Kesler looking up at the ref before deciding to stay down. That's the third time I've seen him do that and I rarely watch Canuck games. Am I the only one who thinks the Canucks are turning the NHL towards soccer-style diving every time they get away with it and then score on the PP? 
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spade632
Rookie
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Posted - 12/12/2011 : 13:50:13
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Having been at the game, here's my two cents (for what it's worth):
Foligno on Hodgson:
From where I was sitting Hodgson was coming up the boards and either hit or a rut or was about to cut to the middle just as Foligno hits him. It almost looked like Hodgson's head went into Foligno's stomach. I don't think the play deserves any kind of suspension / supplementary discipline. Foligno did fight Dale Weise on his next shift though. Weise scored a nice goal in the third too.
Foligno on Kesler:
Kesler was going down to one knee as Foligno comes in and Foligno hits him with the principle point of contact being the head (delivering the hit with his forearm/elbow). I'm satisfied with the call on the ice. (2 mins for boarding and 10 min misconduct). I can see it being reviewed though.
Neil on Burrows:
Hit was high / to the head and should have been a penalty. There was a similar hit that didn't get called in the game as well, I forget who on Vancouver threw the hit but Alfredsson got clipped high / to the head and there was no call on the play.
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JERJ2008
Top Prospect
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Posted - 12/12/2011 : 14:23:24
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Here's a link to both the Hodgson and Kesler hits:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAMg7vU8H5Q
In my opinion, the Hodgson hit was clean, he fell into Foligno and it looks like Foligno even tries to pull up a bit. The Kesler hit got the 2 minutes it deserved. Kes was already going down and Foligno took advantage of a vulnerable player. I don't think he targeted the head, looks like most of his weight went into Kesler's back, but the hit wasn't necessary. Kesler was already out of the play. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
6113 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2011 : 14:30:28
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I agree with the last two posts completely. No intent whatsoever to injure Hodgson and i too noticed he caught and edge/rut in the ice and fell awkwardly into an already committed check from Foligno.
Kesler's may be reviewed only because of the vulnerable position he was in and Foligno could have eased up. I don't expect a suspension, nor do i need one to satisfy me but it again leads me to that point about injury though, that being, that if Kesler had been ko'd and possibly concussed, i'd bet my life on a suspension. I'm still not okay with suspended on the outcome of a hit!
Foligno not only answered the bell when Weise came calling, he got the decision in the fight (imo). |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 12/12/2011 : 15:18:10
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Originally posted by Open_Ice
The thing I can't stand to see is Kesler looking up at the ref before deciding to stay down. That's the third time I've seen him do that and I rarely watch Canuck games. Am I the only one who thinks the Canucks are turning the NHL towards soccer-style diving every time they get away with it and then score on the PP?
(end of rant )
You may be the only one that thinks the Canucks are the only team to do this - I see the "arms-up, look to the sky" antics from nearly every team in the NHL, at least once per game. It has become very prevalent throughout the NHL. |
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spade632
Rookie
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Posted - 12/12/2011 : 21:41:10
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Alex116 > Yeah, I'd say decision to Foligno in the fight. It was a pretty good scrap, actually.
Nuxfan > The Canucks aren't the only team that has "divers." Even players who aren't known for diving get caught up on it when they get hit (on what generally should be a penalty - i.e. Ovehckin's spear on Neil last Wednesday) and then they look at the ref in a "where's the call?!?" sort of way. Unfortunately, i'd venture if it was Neil who had speared Ovechkin there there probably would have been a call (though refs can't see everything).
*edit* - My apoligies, i know the Ovechkin/Neil thing isn't really within the purview of this thread. :)
Video of the Neil / Ovechkin thing > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rel8VKgU3cY |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 12/12/2011 : 23:42:53
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I have to say, i've read and heard a lot of talk on the Ovie spear and whether or not Neil dove / embellished. Well, of course the Neil haters all call it embellished, but how do we know for sure? Let's face it, he did get hit with the spear, and in an area of little padding. Who are we to say it didn't actually hurt?
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 12/13/2011 : 09:36:14
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| I can't find a link, but Hodgson was interviewed regarding the hit and showed nothing but class in the words he spoke. He complemented Foligno as a player and took the blame for putting himself in an awkward spot. Nice to see/hear..... |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 12/13/2011 : 11:45:48
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| also nice to see that there was no damage, and Hodgson will be playing tonight. With Booth already out for 6 weeks, I don't want to see VAN down 2 important forwards... |
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Odin
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 12/14/2011 : 09:39:01
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Originally posted by Guest0168
Lappiere has 3 fights this year. . 1 more than Neil
Neil has been out... |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 12/14/2011 : 15:39:10
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| Odin....While i don't think it was the guest poster's point, even with Neil having missed games, they're avg'ing almost exactly the same number of fights/game. Again, not what i think the OP was implying as i think he was just throwing out proof that Lapierre has in fact been fighting his own battles / standing up for himself unlike years past. A rebuttal to Sensfan's claim that "Lapierre is an agitator who won't stand up for himself". |
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Sensfan101
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Posted - 12/14/2011 : 18:43:31
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I don't see very many Vancouver games and is it possible Lapierre has changed since his days in Montreal Yes. Do I believe it? No. Does the fact that he has three fights this year change my mind? No but again I don't see a lot of Vancouver games. I was just basing my comments on his time in Montreal and the cup finals last year.
You miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take Wayne Gretzky |
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Guest0168
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Posted - 12/14/2011 : 22:12:13
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Originally posted by Sensfan101
I don't see very many Vancouver games and is it possible Lapierre has changed since his days in Montreal Yes. Do I believe it? No. Does the fact that he has three fights this year change my mind? No but again I don't see a lot of Vancouver games. I was just basing my comments on his time in Montreal and the cup finals last year.
You miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take Wayne Gretzky
Didn't pay much attention to him before his stop in van but I understand he had the rep of a guy who wouldn't fight. .
But I'd say 3 fights so far this year plus another in the pre season at least earns the guy the benefit of the doubt as a guy who is working hard to change that rep and silence his critics. . |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 12/14/2011 : 23:53:14
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| Yeah, i'd have to agree, that if he's on pace for 8 scraps in a season, that's more than standing up for himself. Who knows though, he could easily turn down one fight and some will bash him instantly. It's the ol' reputation thing again, easy to get, damn near impossible to shake! |
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Guest4543
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Posted - 12/15/2011 : 11:16:45
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Originally posted by Alex116
Odin....While i don't think it was the guest poster's point, even with Neil having missed games, they're avg'ing almost exactly the same number of fights/game. Again, not what i think the OP was implying as i think he was just throwing out proof that Lapierre has in fact been fighting his own battles / standing up for himself unlike years past. A rebuttal to Sensfan's claim that "Lapierre is an agitator who won't stand up for himself".
Just saying. I don't think it can be argued that if Neil hadn't missed all those games, he would have more fights |
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Odin
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 12/15/2011 : 11:18:54
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Originally posted by Guest4543
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Originally posted by Alex116
Odin....While i don't think it was the guest poster's point, even with Neil having missed games, they're avg'ing almost exactly the same number of fights/game. Again, not what i think the OP was implying as i think he was just throwing out proof that Lapierre has in fact been fighting his own battles / standing up for himself unlike years past. A rebuttal to Sensfan's claim that "Lapierre is an agitator who won't stand up for himself".
Just saying. I don't think it can be argued that if Neil hadn't missed all those games, he would have more fights
Sorry, that was me. As a habs fan, I have watched Lapierre a bunch, I know what he is about.
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Odin
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Posted - 12/15/2011 : 11:22:32
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Originally posted by Alex116
Yeah, i'd have to agree, that if he's on pace for 8 scraps in a season, that's more than standing up for himself. Who knows though, he could easily turn down one fight and some will bash him instantly. It's the ol' reputation thing again, easy to get, damn near impossible to shake!
He won't get to eight. Its a blip. And half a season isn't going to change what he has done in the previous 6. I hardly find that bashing. Its just fact. |
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Foligno CRUSHES Hodgson 
