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semin-rules
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 Posted - 11/29/2011 : 15:30:42
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Poll Question:
Iginla and 7 goals and 11 points in 22 games and is a minus 8 this season and is getting quite old at 34 years of age. He is on pace for his lowest goal total since '98.
So should Calgary hope that he can break out of it and go on a scoring rampage like he did last year and give him another chance at a cup? Or finally pull the plug on him and trade him for some young and talented prospects that will help the team down the road?
He still has another year on his contract at $7 million. Obviously teams would love to have him for some leadership and to make a deep push in the playoffs, but who do you think he is most likely to go to IF he does get traded. I have heard Dallas has come up a lot around his name, but it is all rumours.. for now
He does have a No Trade Clause as well.
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Edited by - semin-rules on 11/29/2011 15:32:34
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Guest4306
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Posted - 11/29/2011 : 20:09:33
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Calgary is in a bit of a conundrum. Definitely not good enough to be a playoff force, and probably not even good enough to make the playoffs this season. But they're not bad enough to finish last, or in the bottom 4 or 5.
I would like to see Iginla finish his career in Calgary, but he's a diminishing asset. After next season, he becomes a UFA, so the decision probably needs to be made by the trade deadline this season. If the Flames are out of a playoff position by the trade deadline, there will be a lot of teams interested in Iginla. If he wants to finish his career as a Flame, he can sign an extension with the Flames at less than market value. If so, I think the Flames would want to keep him. But if Iginla wants to maximize his contract value, and also, move to a Stanley Cup contender, who can blame him? (And who can blame the Flames for letting him go?)
I think this is one of those situations where the player has more say than the GM.
I will add another point. I wouldn't assess Iginla on 1/4 of a season. Sure, he's 34 years old, but he just came off an 86-point season. (43 goals and 43 assists.) Look at Ryan Smyth, and what he's doing at 35 years of age. I think one player is under-performing right now, and the other player is over-performing. If I had to guess, I would pick Iginla to have more points than Smyth by the end of the season. (And based on Iginla picking up the pace more than anything else.)
One last point. Iginla plays the game hard, but he's very durable. In 14 full seasons, he's missed a grand total of 42 games. (Which works out to an average of 3 games a season.) If I were the Flames, I would try to sign him for an extra 2-3 years at around $4 million per season, but would he take it? If not, start the rebuild Calgary! |
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Pasty7
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Posted - 11/29/2011 : 21:25:49
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on a side not Iginla is a notorious slow starter,, he will finish this season with over 30g amd 30a and i wouldn't even be surprised to see him have another 40/40 season he is still that good
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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Posted - 11/30/2011 : 04:36:43
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As a Leafs fan, this looks all too familiar . . . reminds me totally of the final Sundin days in Toronto. And it could have the same result (ie a trade).
Myself, I don't think an organisation has to trade away their franchise player to rebuild - especially when your franchise player is as solid a leader and still very effective like Iginla. He is a very durable guy as pointed out and is a notorious slow starter . . . and I am sure he'll get his 30 odd goals.
Would he be great trade bait? Sure, he would, but . . . why not keep him as the leader to model after while you bring in a bunch of youth and start rebuilding? Hopefully he is passing the torch at some point, as the team gets better in 4 or 5 years as he nears retirement?
I miss the class of organisations that would keep a guy who has given his all to a city and a team. Speaking from a Leafs perspective, I was always very bitter as a fan that the organisation didn't keep Gilmour, didn't keep Sundin, as their careers wound down . . . to me, the organisation OWES them that much in terms of respect and dignity. Especially when they are of that class of player and human being . . . when someone earns a city's respect through their incredible play, continued diligence and hard work and leadership . . . you stick with them.
But that's an old school way of thought, and it probably won't ring true with someone's bottom line in Calgary management, just like it probably won't ring true with most managements. Sigh.
Hopefully if they trade him (and with a no trade clause he could at least pick his team then) to a contender at the very least.
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Pasty7
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Posted - 11/30/2011 : 05:51:00
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Originally posted by slozo
As a Leafs fan, this looks all too familiar . . . reminds me totally of the final Sundin days in Toronto. And it could have the same result (ie a trade).
Myself, I don't think an organisation has to trade away their franchise player to rebuild - especially when your franchise player is as solid a leader and still very effective like Iginla. He is a very durable guy as pointed out and is a notorious slow starter . . . and I am sure he'll get his 30 odd goals.
Would he be great trade bait? Sure, he would, but . . . why not keep him as the leader to model after while you bring in a bunch of youth and start rebuilding? Hopefully he is passing the torch at some point, as the team gets better in 4 or 5 years as he nears retirement?
I miss the class of organisations that would keep a guy who has given his all to a city and a team. Speaking from a Leafs perspective, I was always very bitter as a fan that the organisation didn't keep Gilmour, didn't keep Sundin, as their careers wound down . . . to me, the organisation OWES them that much in terms of respect and dignity. Especially when they are of that class of player and human being . . . when someone earns a city's respect through their incredible play, continued diligence and hard work and leadership . . . you stick with them.
But that's an old school way of thought, and it probably won't ring true with someone's bottom line in Calgary management, just like it probably won't ring true with most managements. Sigh.
Hopefully if they trade him (and with a no trade clause he could at least pick his team then) to a contender at the very least.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
yeah i agree the only way they should consider moving him is if it`s sorta like when Boston moved Bourque to Colorado , it was his contract year and Bourque asked for a shot at a cup. the team did right by their franchise player and captain and gave him a shot
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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Guest5091
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Posted - 11/30/2011 : 08:46:00
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Trading Iginla would be like trading Alfredsson or Brodeur. You can't just trade away the face of your team just because they're getting old. You keep them for leadership and because they're able to set a good example, both on the ice and in the dressing room.
Besides, Iggy apparently has a no-trade clause... |
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Guest8492
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Posted - 11/30/2011 : 08:46:58
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Should they? Yes, obviously. This team is going to have to suffer a pretty significant rebuild until they can challenge for a cup again, Iginla can fetch some nice young assets from a contender (where Iginla could make a huge difference).
Will they though? If I'm Feaster I'd leave the decision in Iggy's hands. I'd ask him if he would consider a trade to a contender (he can give a list of teams in private if he wants). If he says flat out 'not interested', then I'd have to respect that, and since he's done so much for the organization then it's fine to grant him his wish. Similar to Alffy in Ottawa, actually.
You dont want to move? Cool, thanks for being the man for as long as you have. You do? Alright hello prospects + draft picks. And nearly every flames fan would cheer for whichever team he'd end up on come playoffs regardless. |
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Oilearl
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Posted - 11/30/2011 : 09:59:01
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Iginla is one of my favorite players (even though he plays for the hated Flames  )
I think they should trade him for the assets and to give him a chance to challenge for a cup while he is still in form! They are in need of a full rebuild and lets face it if you can trade Gretzky everyone is on the block.
A great leader and representative for the organization, now I would hope he leaves on his terms. The team that gets him will be immediately better. I will also probably cheer for the team he goes to!!! |
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Beans15
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Posted - 11/30/2011 : 11:03:22
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Here is the challenge that Calgary faces when considering trading Iginla.
He has a no trade clause. For that reason, he will dictate where he goes and it would be nearly a certainty that any trade would be to a contender.
Because of this, there are a number of limiting factors.
1 - What contender has $7 million cap space for the next 2 years??
2 - What contender would give up roster players/prospects to make up the value of Iginla??
3 - What benefit would draft picks of a contending team be to Calgary assuming they would likely be late 1st/2nd round picks??
If Calgary was to trade Igila, I think it would be highly doubtful they would get value for him based on who the trading partner would be. I think Calgary would like to trade him for long term development and I think Iginla would love to win a Cup. But I don't see it making sense. |
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Stamkos a Hab
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Posted - 11/30/2011 : 12:37:44
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If Calgary get rid of Iginla there best player (other then Kipurstoff) would be Bowmester but now that he sucks it would be Jokinen he's old when he retires it will be Bourque who only plays well when on fire would leave Mikael Bauklund who is too young to run a team. Leading to a terrible hockey team for a few years. If they do trade Iginla trade him to a team with rather many probably valuable draft picks like Columbus.
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Alex116
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Posted - 11/30/2011 : 12:50:01
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Originally posted by Guest8492
Should they? Yes, obviously. This team is going to have to suffer a pretty significant rebuild until they can challenge for a cup again, Iginla can fetch some nice young assets from a contender (where Iginla could make a huge difference).
Will they though? If I'm Feaster I'd leave the decision in Iggy's hands. I'd ask him if he would consider a trade to a contender (he can give a list of teams in private if he wants). If he says flat out 'not interested', then I'd have to respect that, and since he's done so much for the organization then it's fine to grant him his wish. Similar to Alffy in Ottawa, actually.
You dont want to move? Cool, thanks for being the man for as long as you have. You do? Alright hello prospects + draft picks. And nearly every flames fan would cheer for whichever team he'd end up on come playoffs regardless.
Great post, i couldn't agree more! |
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Alex116
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Posted - 11/30/2011 : 13:12:19
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Originally posted by Beans15
Here is the challenge that Calgary faces when considering trading Iginla.
He has a no trade clause. For that reason, he will dictate where he goes and it would be nearly a certainty that any trade would be to a contender.
Because of this, there are a number of limiting factors.
1 - What contender has $7 million cap space for the next 2 years??
2 - What contender would give up roster players/prospects to make up the value of Iginla??
3 - What benefit would draft picks of a contending team be to Calgary assuming they would likely be late 1st/2nd round picks??
If Calgary was to trade Igila, I think it would be highly doubtful they would get value for him based on who the trading partner would be. I think Calgary would like to trade him for long term development and I think Iginla would love to win a Cup. But I don't see it making sense.
Beans, if Iggy wants to go, the Flames would be crazy not to find a team who could take him on. This might mean a team has to include in the deal, a guy making a few mil over the next couple to offset Iggy's salary to a point. Detroit, for example, has 5+ mil in cap space i believe? Throw a guy like Cleary into the deal with either picks of prospects and it could be done! Now, granted, Calgary might not want Cleary but if they spruced up the prospects and/or picks, they could surely be talked into taking him? How bout a deal with the Rangers for Dubinsky (at 4+ mil) plus picks/prospects? Heck, the Hawks have 5.6 in space kicking around. What i'm getting at, is if Iggy wants to go to a contender, there's sure to be a way to get it done! He'd be as big a "prize" as we've seen in recent years at the deadline!!!
Your second question of which contender would give up the value he's worth? Easy, any that want's him bad enough. Now, you're not gonna get what Iggy was worth a year or two ago, and maybe not even what he's worth today, but Calgary would have to understand that their choices are to get anything significant for him or keep him to school their youngsters. If they decide that the latter is more important, so be it. I don't think it'd be too tough to find a team willing to give up a decent enough package though, especially a team like those i've listed above, who are already serious contenders!
Lastly, your third question, it doesn't necessarily have to be picks they get. It could easily be prospects or roster players, with a pick or two thrown in? Because i know the Canucks better than other teams, they could offer a couple of prospects and/or Hodgson or Raymond off their roster. *disclaimer - i do not think Iggy to Vancouver would be likely to happen whatsoever, but i'm using them as an example*.
We threw this topic around last year and if i recall correctly, there was very little discussion about the Flames not being able to get value for him / teams not willing to give up his worth. It's interesting a year later that you bring this up. I guess it all depends on exacly "how much" they'd expect in return. |
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Guest2555
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Posted - 11/30/2011 : 19:00:53
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| I hope he goes to Montreal that would be sweet |
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leigh
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Stamkos a Hab
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Posted - 12/02/2011 : 15:36:32
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The truth Iginla said himself and I quote "I want to stay in Calgary and win here" end quote. Besides If they trade Iggy where will he go. It's in between: Winnipeg, Carolina, Dallas, Edmonton, Florida, Minnesota(which would be cool because of Heatley-Koivu-Iginla ), Montreal, Nashville, New Jersey, NYI, Phoenix and Vancouver. ALL OF THEM THOUGH WILL HAVE TO MAKE CAP SPACE. Stay in Calgary and spare a franchise.
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Guest4130
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Posted - 12/03/2011 : 18:57:58
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| I'm a Leafs fan, but as a hockey fan, I think he would look great in a Montreal Uni.....a team that sorely needs a tough top 6 forward with skill. Perhaps they could package something involving Gionta or GOmez with their salaries the other way. |
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Guest4696
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Posted - 12/03/2011 : 19:12:09
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Um there is no way they well trade Iggy for Crap from Montreal...
They want young guy's and Pic's..... |
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Alex116
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Posted - 12/03/2011 : 19:20:29
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Originally posted by Guest4696
Um there is no way they well trade Iggy for Crap from Montreal...
They want young guy's and Pic's.....
Yup, Montreal getting rid of Gionta or especially Gomez and his deal, is beyone unlikely! IF, and that's a huge IF, Montreal can somehow deal Gomez, it'll be for either another high priced underachiever, or next to nothing at all! They're certainly not gonna get one of the best wingers the league has seen in years!!! |
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Pasty7
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Posted - 12/03/2011 : 21:46:02
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Originally posted by Alex116
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Originally posted by Guest4696
Um there is no way they well trade Iggy for Crap from Montreal...
They want young guy's and Pic's.....
Yup, Montreal getting rid of Gionta or especially Gomez and his deal, is beyone unlikely! IF, and that's a huge IF, Montreal can somehow deal Gomez, it'll be for either another high priced underachiever, or next to nothing at all! They're certainly not gonna get one of the best wingers the league has seen in years!!!
Montreal near the deadline should probably be looking to do the same as Calgary and deal away whatever they can for some good prospects, the problem is their isn't all that much there other teams will pay a high price for,,,, The habs are another team like the Flames that won't go into a full out rebuild but more of a re-load, if the season continues as it has gone so far and i see no reason to predict otherwise at the absolute best and still very unlikely the habs squeak in to the playoffs on the last day, if i were GM of the habs i would be dealibng like crazy at the deadline but only takeing picks prospects or young players in return and try and builld a better team for next season,
to get a guy like Iginla the habs would have to give up something like , Eller, Leblanc a first and a second round pick, then Iginla would have to wavie his no trade clause, and then what the habs get bounced in the first round by the pens Iginla resigns with the Flames after the 2012 2013 season by then Eller is a solid 50 point defensive second line center and Leblanc is a NHL regular and the habs don't have a first or second round pic,,,
no sir! not for me,,,
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Stamkos a Hab
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Posted - 12/04/2011 : 06:50:19
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All tough it's my dream to see Gomez leave MTL. There is no chance of him leaving to go to Calgary. Iginla is a good fit for: Petteri Nokelainen, Mathieu Darche, a 1st round pick and Yanick Weber
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Pasty7
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Posted - 12/04/2011 : 06:54:40
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Originally posted by Stamkos a Hab
All tough it's my dream to see Gomez leave MTL. There is no chance of him leaving to go to Calgary. Iginla is a good fit for: Petteri Nokelainen, Mathieu Darche, a 1st round pick and Yanick Weber
Sucks 2 be the rest of ya
hahahahahahahhahaha wow are you kidding...... Weaber and the pick ok but HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA is the exact response Gauthier would get if he offerd that to feaster for one of the best Wingers to play in the NHL ever, a guranteed 500 goal scorer and very possibly a 600 goal scorer, ,,,,
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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leigh
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Posted - 12/04/2011 : 09:05:47
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Montreal would NEVER happen, so let's stop talking about it. If, and it's a big 'IF', Iggy decided to go to another team he would only go to a cup contender...not a rebuilding club. If he went to Montreal he may as well stay in Calgary.
Moving on then... |
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Guest8836
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Posted - 12/15/2011 : 06:54:07
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I know one of the flames owners, and every time I see him his question is should he trade iginla. I always tell him yes to the oilers.
he laughs and i laugh and still he stays a flame.
I really do not think they will trade him and i think he will finish his carreer as a flame.
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Should The Flames trade Iginla? 
