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leafsfan_101
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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 Posted - 06/16/2007 : 15:00:58
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Poll Question:
77 Canadians:
Skaters Regular Season Playoffs
# Player Name Birthdate Age Pos. GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
Guy Lafleur 1951-09-20 25 R 80 56 80 136 20 14 9 17 26 6
Steve Shutt 1952-07-01 24 F 80 60 45 105 28 14 8 10 18 2
Larry Robinson 1951-06-02 25 D 77 19 66 85 45 14 2 10 12 12
Guy Lapointe 1948-03-18 28 D 77 25 51 76 53 12 3 9 12 4
Jacques Lemaire 1945-09-07 31 F 75 34 41 75 22 14 7 12 19 6
Pete Mahovlich 1946-10-10 30 L 76 15 47 62 45 13 4 5 9 19
Doug Risebrough 1954-01-29 23 F 78 22 38 60 132 12 2 3 5 16
Yvan Cournoyer 1943-11-22 33 F 60 25 28 53 8 -- -- -- -- --
Yvon Lambert 1950-05-20 26 L 79 24 28 52 50 14 3 3 6 12
Rejean Houle 1949-10-25 27 R 65 22 30 52 24 6 0 1 1 4
Mario Tremblay 1956-09-02 20 F 74 18 28 46 61 14 3 0 3 9
Serge Savard 1946-01-22 31 D 78 9 33 42 35 14 2 7 9 2
Doug Jarvis 1955-03-24 21 C 80 16 22 38 14 14 0 7 7 2
Bob Gainey 1953-12-13 23 F 80 14 19 33 41 14 4 1 5 25
Murray Wilson 1951-11-11 25 F 60 13 14 27 26 14 1 6 7 14
Bill Nyrop 1952-07-23 24 D 74 3 19 22 21 8 1 0 1 4
Jim Roberts 1940-04-09 36 D 45 5 14 19 18 14 3 0 3 6
Pierre Bouchard 1948-02-20 29 D 73 4 11 15 52 6 0 1 1 6
Rick Chartraw 1954-07-13 22 D 43 3 4 7 59 13 2 1 3 17
Ken Dryden 1947-08-08 29 G 56 0 2 2 0 14 0 0 0 0
John Van Boxmeer To Colorado 1952-11-20 24 D 4 0 1 1 0 -- -- -- -- --
Brian Engblom 1955-01-27 22 D 2 0 0 0 2
Pierre Mondou 1955-11-27 21 F 3 0 0 0 0
Michel "Bunny" Larocque 1952-04-06 24 G 26 0 0 0 0 -- -- -- -- --
Totals 387 621 1008 754
Goalies
Player Name GP Min GA GAA W L T Svs Pct EN SO
Michel "Bunny" Larocque 26 1525 53 2.09 19 2 4 0 4
Ken Dryden 56 3275 117 2.14 41 6 8 1 10
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85 Oilers:
Skaters Regular Season Playoffs
# Player Name Birthdate Age Pos. GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
99 Wayne Gretzky 1961-01-26 24 C 80 73 135 208 52 18 17 30 47 4
17 Jari Kurri 1960-05-18 24 R 73 71 64 135 30 18 19 12 31 6
7 Paul Coffey 1961-06-01 23 D 80 37 84 121 97 18 12 25 37 44
26 Mike Krushelnyski 1960-04-27 24 C 80 43 45 88 60 18 5 8 13 22
9 Glenn Anderson 1960-10-02 24 F 80 42 39 81 69 18 10 16 26 38
11 Mark Messier 1961-01-18 24 C 55 23 31 54 57 18 12 13 25 12
22 Charlie Huddy 1959-06-02 25 D 80 7 44 51 46 18 3 17 20 17
12 Dave Hunter 1958-01-01 27 F 80 17 19 36 122 18 2 5 7 33
18 Mark Napier From Minnesota 1957-01-28 28 R 33 9 26 35 19 18 5 5 10 7
19 Willy Lindstrom 1951-05-05 33 R 80 12 20 32 18 18 5 1 6 8
4 Kevin Lowe 1959-04-15 25 D 80 4 22 26 104 16 0 5 5 8
16 Pat Hughes 1955-03-25 29 F 73 12 13 25 85 10 1 1 2 4
24 Kevin McClelland 1962-07-04 22 R 62 8 15 23 205 18 1 3 4 75
21 Randy Gregg 1956-02-19 29 D 57 3 20 23 32 17 0 6 6 12
29 Don Jackson 1956-09-02 28 D 78 3 17 20 141 9 0 0 0 64
27 Dave Semenko 1957-07-12 27 L 69 6 12 18 172 14 0 0 0 39
2 Lee Fogolin 1955-02-15 30 D 79 4 14 18 126 18 3 1 4 16
20 Billy Carroll 1959-01-19 26 C 65 8 9 17 22 9 0 0 0 4
Gord Sherven To Minnesota 1963-08-21 21 F 37 9 7 16 10 -- -- -- -- --
10 Jaroslav Pouzar 1952-01-23 33 F 33 4 8 12 28 9 2 1 3 2
28 Larry Melnyk 1960-02-21 25 D 28 0 11 11 25 12 1 3 4 26
23 Marc Habscheid 1963-03-01 22 F 26 5 3 8 4 -- -- -- -- --
8 Dave Lumley From Hartford 1954-09-01 30 F 12 1 3 4 13 8 0 0 0 29
25 Raimo Summanen 1962-03-02 23 F 9 0 4 4 0 -- -- -- -- --
31 Grant Fuhr 1962-09-28 22 G 46 0 3 3 6 18 0 3 3 2
Terry Martin To Minnesota 1955-10-25 29 F 4 0 2 2 0 -- -- -- -- --
Esa Tikkanen 1965-01-25 20 L 3 0 0 0 2
33 Marco Baron 1959-04-04 25 G 1 0 0 0 0 -- -- -- -- --
32 Daryl Reaugh 1965-02-13 20 G 1 0 0 0 0 -- -- -- -- --
14 Ray Cote 1961-05-31 23 F 2 0 0 0 2 -- -- -- -- --
5 Steve Smith 1963-04-30 21 D 2 0 0 0 2 -- -- -- -- --
30 Mike Zanier 1962-08-22 22 G 3 0 0 0 0 -- -- -- -- --
35 Andy Moog 1960-02-18 25 G 39 0 0 0 8 2 0 0 0 0
Totals 401 670 1071 1555
Goalies
Player Name GP Min GA GAA W L T Svs Pct EN SO
Andy Moog 39 2019 111 3.30 22 9 3 939 0.894 1 1
Marco Baron 1 33 2 3.64 0 1 0 7 0.778 0 0
Grant Fuhr 46 2559 165 3.87 26 8 7 1260 0.884 1 1
Mike Zanier 3 185 12 3.89 1 1 1 88 0.88 0 0
Daryl Reaugh 1 60 5 5.00 0 1 0 30 0.857 1 0
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Standings:
Oilers:
Team GP W L T OTL Pts GF GA PIM
80 49 20 11 0 109 401 298 1567
Canadians:
Team GP W L T OTL Pts GF GA PIM
80 60 8 12 0 132 387 171 764
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Notables:
Canadians:
-Best Record in NHL history
-Won Stanley Cup
Oilers:
-Had players go 1-2 in scoring
-Won the Cup
Second place is only first place of the losers.
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| 77 Canadians |
 [55%] |
11 votes |
| 85 Oilers |
[45%] |
9 votes |
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Poll Status:
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Total Votes: 20 counted »» |
Last Vote:
06/23/2007 20:45:01 |
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Edited by - leafsfan_101 on 06/24/2007 17:27:38
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PainTrain
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 06/16/2007 : 16:31:08
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| Look at the difference between penalty minutes between both teams, Can anyone answer this, why is it so much different? |
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Guest7133
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Posted - 06/16/2007 : 19:10:28
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Originally posted by PainTrain
Look at the difference between penalty minutes between both teams, Can anyone answer this, why is it so much different?
There is a big difference in everything. The Habs would have swept the Oilers.
To answer your little question: the 77 Habs controlled the game. There was no reason for penalties.
Not to mention they won with class. Lafleur sat in the 3rd period of high margin wins.
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andyhack
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 06/16/2007 : 20:52:51
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I saw both of these teams, and though they were both great, I really have trouble picturing the Oilers getting more than one game here. Against the '78 Habs team, probably they take two. Against the '79 team, they maybe even win, depending on Dryden. But in '77, they would have seen the type of team they never saw in reality - a team so well-balanced, a team that prided itself on perfection, losing only 8 regular season games (and that habs team would have been embarrassed by a 7-6 win probably), a team that had WAY more talent than the Flyers team the Oilers beat (amazing skaters on that Habs teams - Oilers never saw skating anywhere near that quality), and most importantly, a team that had the best trio of defenceman ever. Robinson, Lapointe and Savard and some of the tremendous defensive forwards of the Habs would have made things so much more difficult for the Oilers than what they were used to from their opponents.
It would have been interesting for sure, but it wouldn't have been that close. |
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willus3
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Canada
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Posted - 06/16/2007 : 20:57:27
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The Habs win this series. There isn't anything to the Oilers but offense.
The Canadiens were incredibly good at both ends of the ice. The legendary defense of the big three and Selke winning Bob Gainey combined with the potent offense of Lafleur, Cournoyer, Shutt, Lemaire etc...
Oh yes, and don't forget Dryden in net.
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andyhack
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 07:33:05
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The GF stat is telling here. Consider the eras, and consider that the Habs were a team that, although strong offensively, placed defense as its number one priority. The Habs only scored 14 less goals! 14 less goals - compared to the offensive GRETZKY-LED juggernaut of the Oilers, who conversely played in a very offensive era! That is something that even younger generations have to appreciate.
I'm curious if anyone voting for the Oilers actually saw that Habs team play. Either way, I'm curious to hear the arguments of Oilers voters. I'll grant you that the Oilers would have presented the Habs with a more powerful offensive opposition than they had - but, in my humble opinion, the Habs advantage on defense would negate that to a far greater extent than anything the Oilers could do to stop the complete game of the Habs. Consider that teams like the Bruins, Flyers and Islanders of 1977 played better team defense than the '85 Oilers (in fact, even the '77 Leafs did!).
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OILINONTARIO
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 18:09:39
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| 1980. I can't recall which member or of the habs' organization said it, but the quote was , "Lafleur will have Gretzky in in his pocket". I was a Habs fan at the time, and vividly remember Wayne punching his own hip in mockery, after scoring an unimportant goal during the series. Sad to say, but that was a turning point in the way the game would be played for at least a decade. I would love to say that Dryden, Big Bird, Savard, Lapointe, The Flower(My fave), Gainey, Bunny, Lemaire, Shutt, Risebrough, Jarvis, et al would survive the Oilers' 80's juggernaut, but it is simply not true. |
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willus3
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 21:00:26
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quote:
Originally posted by OILINONTARIO
1980. I can't recall which member or of the habs' organization said it, but the quote was , "Lafleur will have Gretzky in in his pocket". I was a Habs fan at the time, and vividly remember Wayne punching his own hip in mockery, after scoring an unimportant goal during the series. Sad to say, but that was a turning point in the way the game would be played for at least a decade. I would love to say that Dryden, Big Bird, Savard, Lapointe, The Flower(My fave), Gainey, Bunny, Lemaire, Shutt, Risebrough, Jarvis, et al would survive the Oilers' 80's juggernaut, but it is simply not true.
I'm assuming you are referring to the 80-81 season. This was not the same Canadiens team that the 77 team was. No Dryden, no Bowman. Big difference. Some guys were past their peak in 80-81. Savard, Lapointe and Cournoyer were all basically at the end of their careers and in steep decline by then.
In 77 everything was clicking.
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chooch
Top Prospect
Afghanistan
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Posted - 06/18/2007 : 18:14:22
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quote:
Originally posted by willus3
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Originally posted by OILINONTARIO
1980. I can't recall which member or of the habs' organization said it, but the quote was , "Lafleur will have Gretzky in in his pocket". I was a Habs fan at the time, and vividly remember Wayne punching his own hip in mockery, after scoring an unimportant goal during the series. Sad to say, but that was a turning point in the way the game would be played for at least a decade. I would love to say that Dryden, Big Bird, Savard, Lapointe, The Flower(My fave), Gainey, Bunny, Lemaire, Shutt, Risebrough, Jarvis, et al would survive the Oilers' 80's juggernaut, but it is simply not true.
I'm assuming you are referring to the 80-81 season. This was not the same Canadiens team that the 77 team was. No Dryden, no Bowman. Big difference. Some guys were past their peak in 80-81. Savard, Lapointe and Cournoyer were all basically at the end of their careers and in steep decline by then.
In 77 everything was clicking.
"You are not your desktop wallpaper"
Muahahahhaa
Heck why not add up Hart trophy votes ove rteh years and come up with a top 100 players list
mauahahahahha
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Guest7418
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Posted - 06/18/2007 : 20:44:14
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I've been a huge Canadiens fan for over 35 years. I voted Montreal, but, unlike some, I think it would have been a very close series. The Habs never had to play a team with as much talent (especially top end talent) as the Oilers had. And I must say, in overall 'team' skating, i'd have to give the edge (slight) to the Habs as well.
Habs in 7.
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