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willus3
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 Posted - 10/21/2007 : 09:03:20
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This is an interesting possible trade. Kovalev's potential is huge and if he got along with Keenan in the past that is a big plus as getting along with Keenan doesn't happen alot. If Keenan can get Kovalev playing to his potential it would be a huge benefit to Calgary.
http://www2.sportsnet.ca/video/latest/15/20071020_Hockeycentral_Inbox
Thoughts?
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leafsfan_101
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 10/21/2007 : 09:08:59
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| I like what the viewer said, "There is no guarentee that Kovalev will produce under Keenen." Tanguay is a guy that benefits Iginla and I dubt that Kovalev would mesh with Iggy. If this deal does happen it seems like a disaster waiting to happen. |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 10/21/2007 : 09:22:32
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I think it's a bigger risk to Calgary. Tanguay was an 80 point guy last year and has more than 65 points in 5 of his 7 NHL seasons. Kovalev has only 1 of his last 7 season over 65 points and only 4 of his 17 seasons have been over 65 points. Plus, it appears Kovalev's best seasons were in Pitt, not NYR under Keenen.
The age thing is irrelevent, as the interview talked about, they are both UFA's and unlike to resign with their current teams.
I think Tanguay would be expected to be the Messiah in Montreal and get eaten alive.
I think that it's is a high risk for Calgary as Kovalev hasn't proven he's a gamer night in a night out.
But, as an Oilers fan, go ahead Calgary. Make it Happen.
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PuckNuts
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 10/21/2007 : 11:31:55
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Bad bad deal for Calgary.
Why won't Calgary sign Tanguay when he becomes a free agent, they just picked him up last season.
The age thing does make a big difference, Kovalev has three good years left in him at between 50-65 popints.Tanguay has at least 7-8 good years left in him, and he may get between 70-80 or even more points, he is only getting better, and has not reached his prime.
Kovalev has baggage, and Keenan may have liked him in the past but that does not mean he will like him now.
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nashvillepreds
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 10/21/2007 : 16:26:34
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Horrible deal on Calgary's part. Kovalev just doesn't have the touch anymore.
i would way rather have Tnaguay on my team than Kovalev any day. Tanguay is more of a set-up man for Iginla. Kovalev likes to scroe a lot too.
I just don't think there would be much chemistry between kovalev and Iggy. kovalev might even and up on the second line by the end of the season if he didn't produce. Plus I think the Flames are fine with Tanguay.
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PainTrain
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Canada
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Posted - 10/21/2007 : 17:36:00
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When did they say they were going to put Kovalev with Iginla. Huselieus can take Tanguay's spot on the top line and then Kovalev moves into that position. Or even throw Matthew Lomabrdi up there. Calgary doesn't need to put Kovalev with Iginla. But if you watch some Montreal games, Kovalev can put that puck tape to tape, the problem is he has to choose if he wants to. He's a selfish player, he has a ton of skill but maybe Keenan can get him to produce. I would honestly expect Ted Nolan or Brent Sutter to do better to get Kovalev playing to his potential.
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 10/21/2007 : 17:52:08
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Kovalev is one of those players that teams can't seem to resist because he has a lot of flash, but then they spend the next however many years wishing they had stayed away from him (did I hear someone say Yashin?).
Guys like that are a cancer. They make the rest of the team worse, not better. If Calgary is smart (and I know they are), they'll stick with the younger, albeit soft Tanguay.
Kovalev would be an excellent aquisition...if this was 1997. |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 10/21/2007 : 20:10:37
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You are right Puck. The guys on the panel were saying that Tangauy is a UFA next year but he's not. He is signed through 08/09.
BUT, look at a couple of key players that will be looking at a raise in the next little while. Kipper is supposedly close to signing, and when he does I wouldn't be surprised to see $6 million plus. Also, Phaneuf is on the last year of his rookie contract, so although he's an RFA at the end of the year, he will get a nice raise as well. If Calgary doesn't sign him, you know someone will "Lowe" him away with an offer sheet.
Looking at it that way, Calgary is at $46 million on the cap. If the cap doesn't increase substantially next year, with just those two contract (I figure Phaneuf to be $4 million+) that will be an increase of about $7 million. Calgary is at $46 today.
Then, add in Conroy, Langkow, and Huselius as more key UFA guys.
I wonder if the $5.3 million on Tanguay would be better spent on keeping a few of those UFA's???
I think there is more to this possible trade than just the players involved in the trade. The new NHL really puts new spins on the reasons teams do what they do with trades and contracts.
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PuckNuts
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Canada
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Posted - 10/22/2007 : 05:23:45
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If Calgary is worried about cap space so they can sign the UFA's, and RFA's then why would they trade a 5.375 mil player for a 4.500 mil player?
If cap space is the issue then they would trade for youth, and draft picks...
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 10/22/2007 : 16:26:07
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Puck, I agree. I was just bringing in the points on Calgary's Salary situation. I think Kovalev would be a poor hockey move and a poor business move.
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 10/22/2007 : 17:34:48
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I would not be surprised if Calgary trades Tanguay. But not for Kovalev, that's what I'm saying. I wouldn't trade a bag of good pucks for Kovalev.
Reminds me of a joke I heard once. It was with different principles, but it still applies.
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Bryan McCabe is at John Ferguson Jr's house for a BBQ, along with the other players and coaches from the Leafs. While cooking, Paul Maurice runs out of potatoes, so he yells at JFJ, "Hey, John, we need some more potatoes!"
JFJ calls out to Bryan McCabe, "Hey Bryan, go down to the corner store and grab me a sack of potatoes - we're almost out!"
Not wanting to upset his coach or GM, Bryan McCabe calls back, "Okay, John!"
Meanwhile, Mats Sundin arrives late to the BBQ, having just come from a charity fundraiser. He notices that all of his buddies are there except for Bryan McCabe. Puzzled, he asks John Ferguson Jr., "Hey John, where did Bryan McCabe go?"
JFJ replies, "I just sent him down the road for a sack of potatoes."
Sundin calmly replies, "Hmm. Good trade."
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Leafs Rock Planet
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 10/22/2007 : 18:54:03
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Tanguay is perfect trade bait for the Flames around the trade deadline. But as far as I know he is producing right now so if he continues then they probably shouldnt look at dealing him. Especially not for somebody along the lines of Kovalev.  |
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 12/11/2007 : 14:52:32
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Originally posted by Beans15
Puck, I agree. I was just bringing in the points on Calgary's Salary situation. I think Kovalev would be a poor hockey move and a poor business move.
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hmmm see the following is purly my thoughts,,,, a move that could benfit both the habs and the flames..... ok everyone knows in montreal ryder is this close to being booed when ever he touchs the puck..... (not that he deserves it) why not move Ryder for Tanguay,,, they're roughly the same ages,, late 20's 27 and 28 i think?? (please correct me if im wrong) ryder is getting 2 million and is a RFA at the end of this year,,, tanguay 5 million and is a UFA in 09 ,,, ryder has proved he is a consistant goal scorer and i have a feeling im and lombardi would mesh well on a second line and like was said before Hueslius could move to the first line,, but even ryder could play line 1 next to iginla.... tanguay would be a boost to the habs in every which way but still not the grit the habs really need... but he is a proven player and would add to our team... and is also marketable if for some reason he doesn't fit in.... just a thought
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 12/11/2007 : 17:21:46
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Originally posted by Alex
Why would Calgary want Ryder? Tanguay is much better, no one even mentions Ryder in fantasy websites such as ESPN and the likes.
Habs get number 25 this year
ryder has scored 30 goals in his second and 3rd seasons and 26 in his first... hes a charactor player with lots of heart,,, and im sorry if you can score 30 with koivu as your set up man,,, i think on a team with a real star he could produce much more,,, i mean of course there would be a draft pick in there as well but the habs wouldn;t have to give up a first rounder,,, who cares what fantasy hockey says watch a game or two in REALITY
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