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leigh
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Posted - 10/24/2017 :  11:48:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Poll Question:
Ok. Fictional NHL team. 3 year contract. Of course, winning the Cup is the objective. Who do you take, and why?

Choices:

Sidney Crosby
Connor McDavid

leigh
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Posted - 10/24/2017 :  15:08:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I asked a couple guys in the office and both chose McDavid. I'm not surprised, and I think that is what makes this a really valid poll (last year not so much)

My gut tells me that I have to go Crosby here. I know McDavid is exciting, and will be the face of the league in the years to come (insert weak argument for Matthews) but Crosby has proven himself in every department for over a decade. And at only 30 years of age, he'll still be in his prime at the end of this argument's timeline.

- 3x Stanley cup champ (currently sitting on back to back championships)
- 2x Art Ross
- 2x Rocket Richard
- 2x Hart
- 7x All Star
- 2x Con Smythe

...and the list goes on. Only risk is the head injuries and I wonder if that would be the only reason someone would choose McDavid at this point. I think so.
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just1n
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Posted - 11/02/2017 :  13:11:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The potential in the next three years is greater for McDavid. I don't think the past matters as much as you say it does. The supporting cast is a much bigger factor in hockey.
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 11/06/2017 :  11:09:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by just1n

The potential in the next three years is greater for McDavid. I don't think the past matters as much as you say it does. The supporting cast is a much bigger factor in hockey.



If McDavid and Crosby were traded for one another, McDavids potential in Pittsburgh would be sky high far above what its worth in Edmonton and Crosby would finally feel what its like to have to drag a team around, instead of being elevated. Its not a knock on Crosby, but putting McDavid in Pittsburgh would be the most incredible thing we have seen since Ovechkin and Crosby first broke into the league.
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leigh
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Posted - 11/08/2017 :  10:19:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
[/quote]JoshuaCanada - wrote: If McDavid and Crosby were traded for one another, McDavids potential in Pittsburgh would be sky high far above what its worth in Edmonton and Crosby would finally feel what its like to have to drag a team around, instead of being elevated. Its not a knock on Crosby, but putting McDavid in Pittsburgh would be the most incredible thing we have seen since Ovechkin and Crosby first broke into the league.
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I find this argument interesting, but you could easily play devil's advocate here. It's not necessarily the difference in the quality of the players (yes that is a factor) but rather that the Pittsburgh team as a whole knows how to win. Edmonton, on paper has a damn good team, but Pittsburgh has the 'formula'. If you exchange these two and Crosby goes to Edmonton, with the talent on the Edmonton team you don't think he could turn them into a winner? I don't think he'd be dragging them around. Besides, you could argue that the competition in the East right now is more potent than the West.

At the same time, McDavid is a completely different player and could very well upset the apple cart in Pittsburgh. Crosby is slightly mythical, even among elite players. That Pittsburgh team rallies behind Crosby and without his leadership I don't think they could do it.


Edited by - leigh on 11/08/2017 10:20:38
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 11/10/2017 :  09:13:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I posted my belief above, but I understand your argument against. I think if Crosby had to start from scratch, getting his team to buy in all over again, Edmonton does not have the "it" that Pittsburgh had when he was younger. No Malkin, Letang, Fluery, Roberts, Lemieux, now Kessel, Quinzel, Rust, Murray. The list goes on for why Pittsburgh has been so successful. Edmonton has McDavid and Draisaitl. It has been shown that without those 2 players, the remainder of Edmonton looks poor statistically, when they are on IR or the bench. Its a rare day indeed that Edmonton wins a game and Draisaitl or McDavid aren't the primary point getters.

Edited by - JOSHUACANADA on 11/10/2017 09:14:27
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Beans15
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Posted - 11/17/2017 :  10:26:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I find this last point interesting as I could also ask when the last time Pittsburgh had success when Crosby or Malkin wasn't leading the way. In fact, one could look back and see that Pittsburgh only has success when both were healthy and playing well. So I don't see how that's an argument towards the Oilers success, or lack of success, based on McDavid or Draisaitl. Game to game, Pittsburgh is a deeper and more experienced team. Playoffs and winning Cups does not happen without both elite players playing well.

To answer the question, it's as equally hard to dispute Crosby's success from the perspective of winning as it is to argue that McDavid is the first generational player to come along since Crosby McDavid has all the gifts of a Crosby with speed better than that of Orr or Coffey. No player has ever been as fast and as offensively gifted at the same time. Ever.

This is not a black and white question as it would be based on who that 'fictional' NHL team was. If this is a team of veteran players who are missing that one factor of pushing them over the edge, it's McDavid all day. If it's a team of younger players that need to learn how to win, Crosby all day. I would not argue that McDavid on Pittsburgh today would be better for the team than Crosby and Crosby in Edmonton would be better for team than McDavid.

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Thankfully, I get to watch sweet baby McJesus for years and years and year to come.

Edited by - Beans15 on 11/20/2017 10:21:12
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