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umteman
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 Posted - 01/23/2018 : 08:35:30
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Well I say both. There is a video here of that famous hit on Eric Lindros and while legal at the time would today get him a 5 minute major and probably 3 game suspension as it was a clear shoulder to the head.https://thehockeywriters.com/devils-scott-stevens-dirty-tough/
Did you hear about the retired proctologist? He spent 40 years saying "what's a place like this doing in a girl like you?"
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The Duke
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Posted - 01/23/2018 : 15:43:57
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leigh
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Canada
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Posted - 01/26/2018 : 22:05:46
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| No doubt by today’s standards he would be considered dirty. His most famous hits were definitely high and questionably late. However it was a different era and he played within the rules of the day. |
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umteman
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Posted - 01/27/2018 : 07:53:36
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Giving it some further thought forget the 5 minute major - today that hit would get him a game misconduct and 3 game suspension.
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Posted - 02/22/2018 : 07:02:36
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Listen to the commentary first - for you young guys out there.
Note that neither one says "dirty" or anything to suggest it's not a legal hit . . .
Secondly, look at Lindros' head as he's coming into the middle of the zone . . . literally trying to bull his way through three guys, with his head down. It's ridiculous by today's standards . . . it's just so foolish. The context of that is, because Lindros was so used to being the biggest and baddest guy out there (he was a bull in a china shop most of the times), he didn't take his own safety into account - and this is literally how he got every concussion.
And third . . . Stevens does not leave his feet; Lindros is considerably bigger than him, and with his head down, literally skates into the shoulder without pause or misdirection; and Lindros actively has the puck.
This is the kind of hit I will always defend as a clean hit, in those days, AND today. To me, that's a hockey play. I know that today you are right - probably would get suspended, etc for it . . . but to me, that's a hockey play. And as context, I can show you a dozen videos of Lindros SUCCESSFULLY pulling this move, bullying his way through a crowd of grown men with the puck . . . so it's not like anyone can argue it wasn't a warranted play!
Now as to Stevens' other hits . . . many were late, some were high, quite a few dirty ones in there. But that was within that days' standards, and he mostly did those big hits as hockey plays, with a guy skating over the blue line with the puck.
One of my all-time fave d-men to watch growing up.
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umteman
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Posted - 02/22/2018 : 07:54:02
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It looked to me to be clearly a shoulder directed to the head; Stevens clearly raised his shoulder above normal level and went for the head.
Did you hear about the retired proctologist? He spent 40 years saying "what's a place like this doing in a girl like you?" |
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Scott Stevens; dirty or tough? 
