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leafsfan_101
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1530 Posts |
 Posted - 10/25/2007 : 14:22:09
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This is my day of reckoning, the day I let loose on all hockey topics. Why am I doing this, because it is my 1000 post. Please try and keep this topic strictly hockey, try and not get off topic.
Orr vs. Gretzky
The age old debate is back. If Orr had not retired because of faulty, injured knees, or had not had bad knees at all throughout his career, would he be considered the greatest player of all time?? Personally I think he would. The Norris would have belonged to him every year and he would have been dominant for at least 10 more years. He probably would have even been better then how we saw him play. I'm my opinion, he is the best ever.
Toronto Maple Leafs
JFJ has to be much smarter if the Leafs are going to contend for the Cup in the near future. Here are some of the ways I think we can be better:
Option 1:
Ferguson waits until late February, early March and does 1 of the two.
1) If Leafs are in contention, sign Forsberg for a 500k contract for the rest of the year. I think if he can help Sundin win a Stanley Cup he will do it.
2) If Leafs are out of contention, trade Sundin for some young guys and draft picks. Trade to a contender. Sundin deserves a Cup.
Option 2:
JFJ makes Toronto the worst team in the league this year and for the next couple years. Leafs get some young guys and high draft picks. I can handle the Leafs being the worst team in the league for 5 years if it means they will win it in the next 10.
Option 3:
The moves for this year that I would make.
During the season:
-Send Kubina to the Minors; this frees up 5 million dollars
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Trade:
To TOR:
Joni Pitkanen-2.4 mill
Kyle Brodziak-.5 mill
To EDM:
Hal Gill-2 mill
Matt Stajan-.85 mil
This would give Toronto a capable puck moving D-man and also gives them some youth. Edmonton gets a big man on their roster, as well as a pk player.
-Option 1
-If this doesn't make Toronto better then they hold on to their number 1 pick. If they have pick 14 lets say, then they chose Michael Del Zotto.
During the Offseason:
-Resign Sundin to a two year, 4 million dollar contract
-If you never got Forsberg before, get him now.
-Pick up Kurt Sauer for 500k to fill out the blue-line.
Cap Hit=0.476
After moves=
-5 mil from Kubina
Trade=Minimal Cap movement
Old Sundin Contract (5.5)-New Sundin Contract (2.2) = +3.3 mil
Forsberg+Sauer signing =.850 +.500= 1.35 mil
New Cap Hit= Approx. 10 million more room in cap space.
GHL:
We on pickuphockey have our own http://www.goodhockey.com league. The new season is starting so we are looking for some new blood. Our league name is pickuphockey.
That concludes my post. It's not long but it represents me somewhat. I would like to say that this site is the best and I am happy to have been here for a relatively long time. Long live pickuphockey and long live the great hockey discussions had here on the site. Cheers!
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Edited by - leafsfan_101 on 10/26/2007 18:04:16
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nashvillepreds
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1053 Posts |
Posted - 10/25/2007 : 14:57:13
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Only 1 thing i don't agree with. Orr wouldn't have been better than Gretzky no matter how much longer he played for.
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willus3
Moderator
Canada
1948 Posts |
Posted - 10/25/2007 : 15:08:32
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Originally posted by nashvillepreds
Only 1 thing i don't agree with. Orr wouldn't have been better than Gretzky no matter how much longer he played for.
GO PREDATORS GO
This from someone who saw neither player?
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nashvillepreds
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1053 Posts |
Posted - 10/25/2007 : 15:32:04
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Originally posted by willus3
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Originally posted by nashvillepreds
Only 1 thing i don't agree with. Orr wouldn't have been better than Gretzky no matter how much longer he played for.
GO PREDATORS GO
This from someone who saw neither player?
"You are not your desktop wallpaper"
Dude, I'm 22. I've seen Gretzky plenty. I've seen a lot of old games where orr palyed too
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willus3
Moderator
Canada
1948 Posts |
Posted - 10/25/2007 : 16:26:01
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Dude, I'm 22. I've seen Gretzky plenty. I've seen a lot of old games where orr palyed too
GO PREDATORS GO
Oh. Then I guess you should probably say why you think that so I can tell you how you are wrong. 
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Leafs Rock Planet
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
902 Posts |
Posted - 10/25/2007 : 16:36:17
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Wow congratulations LF101!!! 1000 posts it was a long time coming but your there and thats what counts. Thanks for always having my back here on the forums as i do consider you a good friend that I have made here at Pickup Hockey . Congratulations again and keep it up. Great hockey facts too. You definetely know your hockey. |
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leafsfan_101
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1530 Posts |
Posted - 10/25/2007 : 16:37:50
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| Thanks LRP. 50 more posts and you are almost there. Keep up the great posting. |
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nashvillepreds
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1053 Posts |
Posted - 10/25/2007 : 16:38:51
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Originally posted by willus3
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Dude, I'm 22. I've seen Gretzky plenty. I've seen a lot of old games where orr palyed too
GO PREDATORS GO
Oh. Then I guess you should probably say why you think that so I can tell you how you are wrong.
"You are not your desktop wallpaper"
wow that's nice willus care to say it to greg smith he's here right now. He surprised me tonight. He played with Gretzkey. so maybe you better stop talking before you dig yourself into a hole.
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nashvillepreds
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1053 Posts |
Posted - 10/25/2007 : 16:40:31
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oh and if i didn't metion it before, congrats.
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willus3
Moderator
Canada
1948 Posts |
Posted - 10/25/2007 : 17:44:57
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quote:
Originally posted by nashvillepreds
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Originally posted by willus3
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Dude, I'm 22. I've seen Gretzky plenty. I've seen a lot of old games where orr palyed too
GO PREDATORS GO
Oh. Then I guess you should probably say why you think that so I can tell you how you are wrong.
"You are not your desktop wallpaper"
wow that's nice willus care to say it to greg smith he's here right now. He surprised me tonight. He played with Gretzkey. so maybe you better stop talking before you dig yourself into a hole.
GO PREDATORS GO
Who the hell is Greg Smith?  Sorry Mr. Smith, no offence meant.
Sure I'll say it to Greg Smith.
Greg,
Bobby Orr is the greatest hockey player there has ever been, bar none. Was and still is referred to as the "perfect hockey player".
How was that Nash? Did you think I'd be intimidated by a pro hockey player or something?
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andyhack
PickupHockey Pro
Japan
891 Posts |
Posted - 10/25/2007 : 17:53:19
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quote:
Originally posted by willus3
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Originally posted by nashvillepreds
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Originally posted by willus3
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Dude, I'm 22. I've seen Gretzky plenty. I've seen a lot of old games where orr palyed too
GO PREDATORS GO
Oh. Then I guess you should probably say why you think that so I can tell you how you are wrong.
"You are not your desktop wallpaper"
wow that's nice willus care to say it to greg smith he's here right now. He surprised me tonight. He played with Gretzkey. so maybe you better stop talking before you dig yourself into a hole.
GO PREDATORS GO
Who the hell is Greg Smith? Sorry Mr. Smith, no offence meant.
Sure I'll say it to Greg Smith.
Greg,
Bobby Orr is the greatest hockey player there has ever been, bar none. Was and still is referred to as the "perfect hockey player".
How was that Nash? Did you think I'd be intimidated by a pro hockey player or something?
"You are not your desktop wallpaper"
Sorry, was a little trigger happy with that blank post just now. Anyway, I'm gonna check my card collection. Almost sure I have Greg Smiths card! Also have Wayne's Rookie card. Had another one too but traded it a long time ago for some money and a slightly roughed up third year card of the greatest hockey player ever ! |
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willus3
Moderator
Canada
1948 Posts |
Posted - 10/25/2007 : 18:10:39
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Do tell us who that greatest hockey player is Andy-san...
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Mikhailova
PickupHockey All-Star
USA
2918 Posts |
Posted - 10/25/2007 : 18:16:02
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Congrats Leafsfan101!
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andyhack
PickupHockey Pro
Japan
891 Posts |
Posted - 10/25/2007 : 18:20:25
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Probably not the greatest deal by me value-wise. The Gretzky card was close to mint. I really liked that Orr card though. There were a few other cards in the deal (an Espo one and maybe one or two others) and about $300 as I recall . This is back in about '90.
The most memorable part of that day though was going up to get Eddie Shack's autograph (I made that deal at a card show). Just as my friend and I step right in front of Eddie, he lets out this huge sneeze all over us. He was well-endowed nose-wise too as you probably know! That's a true story!
Edit - can't find any Greg Smith card yet but I have another box somewhere so some other time I'll try to dig it out. I remember seeing a card of his before. Anyway, must be interesting to talk to him. You are a lucky nephew Nash. My nephew only gets to hear about me being sneezed on by Eddie Shack! |
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hkalirah
PickupHockey Pro
382 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2007 : 11:57:12
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The fact is Orr didn't stay healthy and Gretz did. If you want to use the injury/forced to retire argument, wouldn't Lemieux be better than both of them?
Why not bring Maurice Richard into the mix, he played in a 6 team league where they only played 60 games a year. It can be argued that this was the era in which the league was most competitive since the league wasn't watered down.
In my opinion, Gretzky is the greatest because his stats say so.
By the way is it too late to get in on the GHL pool?
Wings are used to fly, which Leafs tend to fall. |
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nashvillepreds
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1053 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2007 : 12:27:04
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Welcome hkalira.
Willus, I told my uncle to make a topic about NHL questions and answers, we can continue our discussion there.
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leafsfan_101
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1530 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2007 : 14:27:30
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quote:
Originally posted by hkalirah
By the way is it too late to get in on the GHL pool?
Wings are used to fly, which Leafs tend to fall.
Ya, just go to http://www.goodhockey.com create a bsg account and look for a private league called pickuphockey. It will be there. |
Edited by - leafsfan_101 on 10/26/2007 18:05:39 |
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PuckNuts
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
2414 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2007 : 15:29:21
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quote:
Originally posted by leafsfan_101
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Originally posted by hkalirah
By the way is it too late to get in on the GHL pool?
Wings are used to fly, which Leafs tend to fall.
Ya, just go to www.ghl.com, create a bsg account and look for a private league called pickuphockey. It will be there.
Take the comma out of your link...
I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan
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PainTrain
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1393 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2007 : 15:34:52
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Congrats Leafsfan101! You're one of the more knowledgeable younger forum members!
Now to the discussion. Well me being a young one I didn't get to see any games of Orr but with links from the help of Willus and other forum members of Bobby Orr I got to watch some hockey moment of Bobby Orr. There is one clip I saw where it was all about Bobby Orr's defensive play. Many times he would cough the puck up at the blue line and he would end up skating bad so hard and get the puck back and start the play up again. Now that's good!!!!
I remember hearing Willus say that someone said that Bobby Orr could have won the Vezina because he blocked so many shots. I don't know who said that but that just proves his good defensive play!
Bobby Orr could do both offence and defence. In my mind if you can put the puck in the net and protect the puck from getting in your own net as a defenceman while still being over a +100 and getting over 100 points and being told that you should win the Vezina. I think you're the best player ever! And that's what Bobby Orr did so what is he? Willus do you care to answer?
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willus3
Moderator
Canada
1948 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2007 : 15:56:52
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Well, I think you know what I think Paintrain.
It was Gerry Cheevers Boston's goalie who said Orr should have won the Vezina.
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Guest4710
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Posted - 10/26/2007 : 17:05:13
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Originally posted by PuckNuts
Take the coma out of your link...
The link's in a coma? Quick, get it to the doctor's!  |
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Mikhailova
PickupHockey All-Star
USA
2918 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2007 : 17:05:37
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^That was me
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PuckNuts
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
2414 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2007 : 18:42:45
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Gym was my best subject not spelling...
Change the link. thats even better...
I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan
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leafsfan_101
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1530 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2007 : 19:11:41
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quote:
Originally posted by PuckNuts
Gym was my best subject not spelling...
Change the link. thats even better...
I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan
LOL it was the wrong link anyways.It had to be changed. |
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hkalirah
PickupHockey Pro
382 Posts |
Posted - 10/31/2007 : 11:44:23
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and what might the league password be?
Wings are used to fly, Leaves only fall. |
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leafsfan_101
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1530 Posts |
Posted - 10/31/2007 : 13:57:59
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quote:
Originally posted by hkalirah
and what might the league password be?
Wings are used to fly, Leaves only fall.
I forgot. Ill find out for you though. The season just started so you are in time. |
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Greg Smith
Rookie
Canada
158 Posts |
Posted - 10/31/2007 : 14:59:31
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What is this ghl anyways?
After playing in the NHL, it's hard to watch hockey games. |
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Guest8815
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Posted - 10/31/2007 : 15:02:38
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| I could be wrong but try Bizzle. If not ask Babs or one of the other members who may remember. BTW this is Team AO a.k.a -oil-country-. |
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leafsfan_101
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1530 Posts |
Posted - 10/31/2007 : 15:53:54
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| Thanks Oil (BTW why are you posting as a guest.) The password is Fizzle. The GHL is a virtual hockey league where you manage your team, assign lines and draft players. Its really fun |
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hkalirah
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 10/31/2007 : 19:06:28
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Can't seem to join, says the password is incorrect.
Wings are used to fly, Leaves only fall. |
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leafsfan_101
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1530 Posts |
Posted - 10/31/2007 : 19:18:57
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Did you put the league name correct.
League Name: pickuphockey
Password: Fizzle
Did you make a BSG account? You need one to join any league :p |
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hkalirah
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 11/01/2007 : 07:39:43
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Indeed, I get through the first page asking for my details and get to the page that asks which league I'd like to join.
I type in pickuphockey, with the password Fizzle, and it says pickuphockey doesn't exist.
So I did a search, and found a league called Pickup Hockey, with a space between the two words. It says 20/20 slots are full, and a password is required.
I type in that league name and the password you gave and it says the password is incorrect.
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